Perhaps the problem is not MeFi, but you. March 23, 2007 8:02 PM Subscribe
Really? You don't care? How much?
To avoid being coy— Every time I seem to see jouke in a thread, he's offering a content-free epistle on his apathy. Rather than engaging in the threads, I'm taking it here.
(As I only get one MeTa every, what, four days, there were also rumblings of a Southeast Michigan meetup next Wednesday in the Detroit thread. Perhaps there will be a happy derail.)
Meh.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:20 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by five fresh fish at 8:20 PM on March 23, 2007
There are people who are relentlessly negative just because they're joyless bastards, little human rainclouds. There are also those who seem to believe that the more things they either dislike or are indifferent to, and the more frequently they express those sentiments, the cooler they become in the eyes of the world.
Both groups are pretty damn tiresome.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:26 PM on March 23, 2007 [7 favorites]
Both groups are pretty damn tiresome.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:26 PM on March 23, 2007 [7 favorites]
Activate : AlphaTeam MF !
Target : Teenage punk.
District : Low Country.
Crime : Studied Ennui.
Outcome: Terminate with Extreme Prejudice.
posted by Dizzy at 8:31 PM on March 23, 2007 [3 favorites]
Target : Teenage punk.
District : Low Country.
Crime : Studied Ennui.
Outcome: Terminate with Extreme Prejudice.
posted by Dizzy at 8:31 PM on March 23, 2007 [3 favorites]
But no, seriously, are there enough apathetic yakkers to be a serious problem? I understand being irked by a subset of users' behaviours, but is it really for me to call them out on it?
On the other hand, I don't feel the site is growing in intelligence or insight. Not as much deep discussion? More not discussion-worthy links? Flocks of new users who are teh dumb? A decrease in moderation or a change in policy?
I dunno. You think there's been a trend? Or is just jouke in particular, 'cause he's specifically being an asshate?
posted by five fresh fish at 8:33 PM on March 23, 2007
On the other hand, I don't feel the site is growing in intelligence or insight. Not as much deep discussion? More not discussion-worthy links? Flocks of new users who are teh dumb? A decrease in moderation or a change in policy?
I dunno. You think there's been a trend? Or is just jouke in particular, 'cause he's specifically being an asshate?
posted by five fresh fish at 8:33 PM on March 23, 2007
I think that when people do this, they are actually reaching out to people to make a connection. It's a sign of loneliness and vulnerability, which they realize on some level and it scares them so they overcompensate by affecting a pose of disinterest.
But that's just my opinion. Truth be told, I don't really care about why they do it, and frankly I couldn't give a shit about this fucking thread. To be honest, I don't even know why I bother with the internet in the first place.
please love me
posted by Pastabagel at 8:44 PM on March 23, 2007 [17 favorites]
But that's just my opinion. Truth be told, I don't really care about why they do it, and frankly I couldn't give a shit about this fucking thread. To be honest, I don't even know why I bother with the internet in the first place.
please love me
posted by Pastabagel at 8:44 PM on March 23, 2007 [17 favorites]
I vote for a Viking funeral.
posted by puke & cry at 8:45 PM on March 23, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by puke & cry at 8:45 PM on March 23, 2007 [2 favorites]
he's a Jouke, he's a smoker, he's a midnight toker/
he sure don't mean to hurt no-one
posted by drjimmy11 at 8:47 PM on March 23, 2007
he sure don't mean to hurt no-one
posted by drjimmy11 at 8:47 PM on March 23, 2007
Well I went and randomly looked at about 20 or 30 jouke comments. The ones you have cherrypicked for this callout are not representative; in fact the great majority that I saw were the opposite - they were praising/thanking/contributing. That's not to say that I don't endorse the sage words of stavros, but I don't think we are not looking at a perennial naysaying fuckwad.
posted by peacay at 8:57 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by peacay at 8:57 PM on March 23, 2007
Me, me, I don't care too, what about me? Man I don't care about anything the most of all. I got an 11 inch veiny apathy.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:57 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:57 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
I don't have anything to add to this thread, except that Ren and Stimpy is on. Let it go.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:59 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:59 PM on March 23, 2007
Here's looking at you, intermittent naysaying fuckwad.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:05 PM on March 23, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:05 PM on March 23, 2007 [3 favorites]
"The Care Bears' ultimate "weapon" is the "Care Bear Stare", in which the collected Bears stand together and radiate light from their respective tummy symbols, combining to form a ray of love and good cheer which could bring care and joy into the target's heart. The "Care Bear Stare" has several different looks. One has a beam coming from the tummy being made up of several replicated images of the symbol. Another variation forms a rainbow when multiple Bears and/or Cousins are involved. A yellow beam with red hearts is sometimes seen as well. " (source)
posted by blue_beetle at 9:06 PM on March 23, 2007 [5 favorites]
posted by blue_beetle at 9:06 PM on March 23, 2007 [5 favorites]
Lemme initiate the derail: Where and when to meet up?
posted by ardgedee at 9:12 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by ardgedee at 9:12 PM on March 23, 2007
Just kidding, klangklangston. I was annoyed by jouke at least twice today, but I thought he was just trying to project that particular style of Dutch aloofness that can only come from being able to legally buy really good weed on a daily basis.
posted by psmealey at 9:14 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by psmealey at 9:14 PM on March 23, 2007
oh klang, you just care too much, silly old bear.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:15 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:15 PM on March 23, 2007
What do you want to accomplish with this callout? He has an email in his profile, so if you wanted to say something to him about it, you could. There is also the flagging mechanism, if you just want someone to do something about the comments you don't like. Or is this meant to be some kind of public shaming? Have you even written to him to let him know that you're calling him out?
posted by George_Spiggott at 9:26 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by George_Spiggott at 9:26 PM on March 23, 2007
Wowsy wowsy woo woo...
posted by miss lynnster at 9:36 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by miss lynnster at 9:36 PM on March 23, 2007
I'm not impressed by the Care Bears. No, really, I'm not.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:38 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:38 PM on March 23, 2007
I don't care about this callout.
posted by spiderwire at 9:42 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by spiderwire at 9:42 PM on March 23, 2007
I mean, I REALLY REALLY don't care about this callout.
posted by spiderwire at 9:42 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by spiderwire at 9:42 PM on March 23, 2007
There are people who are relentlessly negative just because they're joyless bastards, little human rainclouds. There are also those...
Stavros, I think you're being relentlessly negative!
In all seriousness, I agree with peacay. Look at jouke's comment history. It just looks like he's been having a bad day or two...haven't we all?
Ill-considered callout.
posted by vacapinta at 9:43 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
Stavros, I think you're being relentlessly negative!
In all seriousness, I agree with peacay. Look at jouke's comment history. It just looks like he's been having a bad day or two...haven't we all?
Ill-considered callout.
posted by vacapinta at 9:43 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
Stavros, I think you're being relentlessly negative!
Am I going to have to be that guy, the one that points to a dictionary entry, in this case for 'relentlessly'?
I really don't want to be that guy.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:51 PM on March 23, 2007
Am I going to have to be that guy, the one that points to a dictionary entry, in this case for 'relentlessly'?
I really don't want to be that guy.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:51 PM on March 23, 2007
I suspect that jouke doesn't care what you think of him or his incessant ennui, klang.
posted by Dave Faris at 10:00 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 10:00 PM on March 23, 2007
It's rare that we see the Care Bears and Adolf Hitler referenced in the same thread. On that basis alone, I think we have to declare this callout an unmitigated success.
posted by psmealey at 10:55 PM on March 23, 2007
posted by psmealey at 10:55 PM on March 23, 2007
I agree with jouke.
posted by BeerFilter at 11:32 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by BeerFilter at 11:32 PM on March 23, 2007 [1 favorite]
You're all staring it up over this guy, and I feel the grey beam of love. I can't see the symbols on your tummies, though. A clover? A skull? Calvin pissing on a Chevy logo? Ceiling cat? [more inside]? What? How am I supposed to feel a part of this community without an understanding of its abdominal iconography?
posted by Methylviolet at 2:05 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by Methylviolet at 2:05 AM on March 24, 2007
Fair callout. Not one of those comments contributes anything to MeFi. If you're not interested, don't read it, let alone comment about it. I guess some people have too much time on their hands.
posted by MrMustard at 3:03 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by MrMustard at 3:03 AM on March 24, 2007
dave faris: I suspect that jouke doesn't care what you think of him or his incessant ennui
Heh
Well, I wake up and I find my social uprightness has been weighed on the internet.
Judgement is mixed if I understand correctly.
I really don't think I matter that much. But, since the matter has been raised, I'll defend my actions where I find them defendable and apologize where I think I should.
I'll go through your links one-by-one, however uninteresting that may be.
I would respect you more if you would have sent me an email instead of initiating the Metatalk stoning ritual.
I'm sure that I've been irritated by comments by you in the past. I do not deem that Metatalk worthy. My transgressions are rather minor compared to the weight of spending a metatalk post on it.
You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi.
In other words; I think you're an asshole for dragging me for the Metatalk tribunal for this. Or klootzak (Pron: kloat-zak) as we say here.
Hey, look, we're both klootzakken. In a few weeks I'll have forgotten and cheer a good post that happens to be by you all the same.
And some people may have learned to swear in Dutch.
posted by jouke at 3:09 AM on March 24, 2007 [14 favorites]
Heh
Well, I wake up and I find my social uprightness has been weighed on the internet.
Judgement is mixed if I understand correctly.
I really don't think I matter that much. But, since the matter has been raised, I'll defend my actions where I find them defendable and apologize where I think I should.
I'll go through your links one-by-one, however uninteresting that may be.
- Ocasek: I could have said "posts are better when they provide more context why people should click the links". Or I could have said nothing. So; not a great comment.
- jonmc blog: nothing against jonmc personally. My point was that I do not think that well-known-mefites should be what mefi is about. I feel pretty strongly about that. I understood the post as "look at this blog, it's by a well-known mefite". As such I disapproved.
- "that was pretty stupid". That was meant in a good natured way but I can see how it can be interpreted differently. Smileys were used way back when for this. Here it is: :-)
- "pfff". Generally gender studies are a load of emasculating navel gazing bollocks that wrap a political agenda in pseudo-science imo. But since I do not care to argue about this I should probably just have moved on.
- eurotrash: it's not a negative comment. You should read more carefully.
- klosterman: I read the articles since they were linked. I was disappointed. That comment is well within mefis snark bandwith.
I would respect you more if you would have sent me an email instead of initiating the Metatalk stoning ritual.
I'm sure that I've been irritated by comments by you in the past. I do not deem that Metatalk worthy. My transgressions are rather minor compared to the weight of spending a metatalk post on it.
You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi.
In other words; I think you're an asshole for dragging me for the Metatalk tribunal for this. Or klootzak (Pron: kloat-zak) as we say here.
Hey, look, we're both klootzakken. In a few weeks I'll have forgotten and cheer a good post that happens to be by you all the same.
And some people may have learned to swear in Dutch.
posted by jouke at 3:09 AM on March 24, 2007 [14 favorites]
Considering the source, this is indeed a very pathetic call-out. Mr. Klangklangston is sharp, knows a lot about music, but most importantly by his own admission, kind of a dick.
Not sure what compelled him on this one.
posted by bardic at 3:29 AM on March 24, 2007
Not sure what compelled him on this one.
posted by bardic at 3:29 AM on March 24, 2007
(Pre-emptively, I'm a great big asshole with a bit of a fondness for great big assholes. klangklanston, your talents are wasted here IMO.)
posted by bardic at 3:35 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by bardic at 3:35 AM on March 24, 2007
It's rare that we see the Care Bears and Adolf Hitler referenced in the same thread. On that basis alone, I think we have to declare this callout an unmitigated success.
However, it's far more common to hear Adolf Hitler and Teddy Ruxpin mentioned in the same breath--or at least it has been ever since I started my life-altering project: re-creating every major skirmish of the second world war using over five dozen Teddy Ruxpin cassette-playing dolls that I purchased on a lark. Normanteddy (Ted-Day) was a sight to behold, as was Adolf Ruxpin's grotesquely beautiful method portrayal of that little weasel Hitler (his intermezzo send-up of Adolf's days as a "serious painter" really lightened what had become a rather dark mood).
When I was a child, I prayed wildly, almost incoherently (as if taken by a fever), for one of those cannonballs to strike Teddy Ruxpin's house* and leave nothing in its wake but splintered wood and bits of synthetic fur. I've never quite recovered from the devastating and prolonged--even relentless--disappointment when I realized it would never happen.
*I'm pretty sure The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin was the show wherin the wannabe villain attempted to calibrate his cannon to fire across a now-cannon-ball filled field in order to strike their house. But over the years I've discovered that my memory for such things has been supplemented with a number of fascinating but entirely fabricated facts.
posted by The God Complex at 4:04 AM on March 24, 2007 [2 favorites]
However, it's far more common to hear Adolf Hitler and Teddy Ruxpin mentioned in the same breath--or at least it has been ever since I started my life-altering project: re-creating every major skirmish of the second world war using over five dozen Teddy Ruxpin cassette-playing dolls that I purchased on a lark. Normanteddy (Ted-Day) was a sight to behold, as was Adolf Ruxpin's grotesquely beautiful method portrayal of that little weasel Hitler (his intermezzo send-up of Adolf's days as a "serious painter" really lightened what had become a rather dark mood).
When I was a child, I prayed wildly, almost incoherently (as if taken by a fever), for one of those cannonballs to strike Teddy Ruxpin's house* and leave nothing in its wake but splintered wood and bits of synthetic fur. I've never quite recovered from the devastating and prolonged--even relentless--disappointment when I realized it would never happen.
*I'm pretty sure The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin was the show wherin the wannabe villain attempted to calibrate his cannon to fire across a now-cannon-ball filled field in order to strike their house. But over the years I've discovered that my memory for such things has been supplemented with a number of fascinating but entirely fabricated facts.
posted by The God Complex at 4:04 AM on March 24, 2007 [2 favorites]
Just to clarify, klootzak does not mean asshole, but rather scrotum. The general sentiment conveyed is the same.
posted by phrontist at 4:18 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by phrontist at 4:18 AM on March 24, 2007
I didn't care about this callout until jouke responded. Now I care enough to say... jouke FTW!
posted by matty at 4:41 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by matty at 4:41 AM on March 24, 2007
Let's all enjoy a kopje koffie met appelgebak! Then we can get back to talking about jonmc's favorite songs!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:50 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:50 AM on March 24, 2007
Christus, wat een fallus.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:02 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:02 AM on March 24, 2007
On this day:
in 1401 Tamerlane the Great captured Damascus in Syria;
in 1765 Britain passed the Quartering Act that required the American colonies to house 10,000 British troops in public and private buildings;
in 1837 Canada gave blacks the right to vote;
in 1904 Vice Adm. Tojo sank seven Russian ships as the Japanese strengthened their blockade of Port Arthur;
in 1955 Tennessee Williams' play "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" debuted on Broadway;
in 2005 the government of Kyrgyzstan collapsed after opposition protesters took over President Askar Akayev's presidential compound and government offices.
Harry Houdini was born, in 1874;
Steve McQueen was born, in 1930.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:04 AM on March 24, 2007
in 1401 Tamerlane the Great captured Damascus in Syria;
in 1765 Britain passed the Quartering Act that required the American colonies to house 10,000 British troops in public and private buildings;
in 1837 Canada gave blacks the right to vote;
in 1904 Vice Adm. Tojo sank seven Russian ships as the Japanese strengthened their blockade of Port Arthur;
in 1955 Tennessee Williams' play "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" debuted on Broadway;
in 2005 the government of Kyrgyzstan collapsed after opposition protesters took over President Askar Akayev's presidential compound and government offices.
Harry Houdini was born, in 1874;
Steve McQueen was born, in 1930.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:04 AM on March 24, 2007
4. "pfff". Generally gender studies are a load of emasculating navel gazing bollocks that wrap a political agenda in pseudo-science imo. But since I do not care to argue about this I should probably just have moved on.
Leave him alone, he has a medical excuse-- he's struggling with Male Comment Syndrome, a mutation of the MAS that has been so painstakingly stamped out in the green.
*holds telethon*
posted by hermitosis at 6:23 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Leave him alone, he has a medical excuse-- he's struggling with Male Comment Syndrome, a mutation of the MAS that has been so painstakingly stamped out in the green.
*holds telethon*
posted by hermitosis at 6:23 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
I'll pledge for that.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:26 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:26 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
It's not a sorority.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:32 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:32 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
The fact that jouke voluminously replied to the petty charges that he doesn't care has, in fact, proved that he very much does. I can only conclude that all this must be some sort of elaborate charade to bring attention to him, klang, or both.
And I don't like it. Not one bit.
posted by Dave Faris at 6:37 AM on March 24, 2007
And I don't like it. Not one bit.
posted by Dave Faris at 6:37 AM on March 24, 2007
My point was that I do not think that well-known-mefites should be what mefi is about. I feel pretty strongly about that. I understood the post as "look at this blog, it's by a well-known mefite". As such I disapproved.
Well, you misunderstood—the post was "look at this blog, it's a very interesting collection of 300 songs with audio links and great commentary." I suppose you might have been excused for misunderstanding if you'd come in at the very beginning and not bothered clicking on the link, but after all those comments praising the post and link in specific terms, making it clear that it wasn't just about "look at this blog, it's by a well-known mefite," you should have been aware that your initial impression was not only paranoid and bilious but wrong. As such, you were being a dick for no good reason. I wouldn't have posted the callout myself, but I have to admit I was glad to see it. Which means you're also wrong about this:
You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi.
Wasn't just him, as you can see.
posted by languagehat at 6:40 AM on March 24, 2007
Well, you misunderstood—the post was "look at this blog, it's a very interesting collection of 300 songs with audio links and great commentary." I suppose you might have been excused for misunderstanding if you'd come in at the very beginning and not bothered clicking on the link, but after all those comments praising the post and link in specific terms, making it clear that it wasn't just about "look at this blog, it's by a well-known mefite," you should have been aware that your initial impression was not only paranoid and bilious but wrong. As such, you were being a dick for no good reason. I wouldn't have posted the callout myself, but I have to admit I was glad to see it. Which means you're also wrong about this:
You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi.
Wasn't just him, as you can see.
posted by languagehat at 6:40 AM on March 24, 2007
I'd noticed jouke because he commented in an interesting and encouraging manner in posts I'd made, and elsewhere we shared an appreciation for Montaigne. A fair chunk of his decriers here have also made dismissive and/or negative comments I think; I'm fairly certain I've seen them from klangstonklangston though I'm not really in the business of taking names.
In conclusion, I move that the mob moves on and burns the commercial district instead.
posted by Abiezer at 7:07 AM on March 24, 2007
In conclusion, I move that the mob moves on and burns the commercial district instead.
posted by Abiezer at 7:07 AM on March 24, 2007
Oops, not only did I just impugn klangklangston without any solid evidence, I got their name wrong too. Apologies.
posted by Abiezer at 7:08 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by Abiezer at 7:08 AM on March 24, 2007
stavros: Am I going to have to be that guy, the one that points to a dictionary entry, in this case for 'relentlessly'?
I actually got off my arse and looked in the OED for this. I don't think I have ever been more irritated by a dictionary.
relentlessly: In a relentless manner
↓
relentless: Incapable of relenting
↓
relenting: That relents, in various senses of the vb
↓
Oh for fuck's sake, OED, when are you going to tell me what it MEANS.
Yeah, yeah, I could have engaged my brain and clicked straight to 'relent', but still...
posted by Aloysius Bear at 7:09 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
I actually got off my arse and looked in the OED for this. I don't think I have ever been more irritated by a dictionary.
relentlessly: In a relentless manner
↓
relentless: Incapable of relenting
↓
relenting: That relents, in various senses of the vb
↓
Oh for fuck's sake, OED, when are you going to tell me what it MEANS.
Yeah, yeah, I could have engaged my brain and clicked straight to 'relent', but still...
posted by Aloysius Bear at 7:09 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
"The ones you have cherrypicked for this callout are not representative; in fact the great majority that I saw were the opposite - they were praising/thanking/contributing."
As I went back this morning, I realized it was a bit of confirmation bias— Everytime I saw him in a thread, he was being a fuckwad.
"I would respect you more if you would have sent me an email instead of initiating the Metatalk stoning ritual."
Probably should have. However, I've addressed you in threads before about your apathetic evangalism (where you seemed to come into any music thread and proclaim that you didn't care, and would defend that not caring strenuously), and I got sick of it.
"You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi. "
And you're pretty full of yourself to think that your obnoxious insistance on telling us everything you don't care about is somehow worth reading.
"Hey, look, we're both klootzakken. In a few weeks I'll have forgotten and cheer a good post that happens to be by you all the same."
Actually, that's pretty likely. I got it out of my system and am vaguely chastened about using MeTa as my frustration release valve (as everyone knows, the proper frustration release valve is in the glans). And hey, I learned a handy word in Dutch, or "Low German." (Sorry, longstanding irrational prejudice compounded by the fact that I feel Dutch is probably the ugliest language I can think of, sounding like German crossed with Klingon.) But yeah, not really gonna hold a grudge over this. It pissed me off, I said so publicly, I don't really have anything more to offer.
I'm off to defend this quoting style in some other thread!
posted by klangklangston at 7:36 AM on March 24, 2007
As I went back this morning, I realized it was a bit of confirmation bias— Everytime I saw him in a thread, he was being a fuckwad.
"I would respect you more if you would have sent me an email instead of initiating the Metatalk stoning ritual."
Probably should have. However, I've addressed you in threads before about your apathetic evangalism (where you seemed to come into any music thread and proclaim that you didn't care, and would defend that not caring strenuously), and I got sick of it.
"You're pretty full of yourself to think that your personal irritation per se is relevant for the whole of mefi. "
And you're pretty full of yourself to think that your obnoxious insistance on telling us everything you don't care about is somehow worth reading.
"Hey, look, we're both klootzakken. In a few weeks I'll have forgotten and cheer a good post that happens to be by you all the same."
Actually, that's pretty likely. I got it out of my system and am vaguely chastened about using MeTa as my frustration release valve (as everyone knows, the proper frustration release valve is in the glans). And hey, I learned a handy word in Dutch, or "Low German." (Sorry, longstanding irrational prejudice compounded by the fact that I feel Dutch is probably the ugliest language I can think of, sounding like German crossed with Klingon.) But yeah, not really gonna hold a grudge over this. It pissed me off, I said so publicly, I don't really have anything more to offer.
I'm off to defend this quoting style in some other thread!
posted by klangklangston at 7:36 AM on March 24, 2007
The fact that jouke voluminously replied to the petty charges that he doesn't care has, in fact, proved that he very much does. I can only conclude that all this must be some sort of elaborate charade to bring attention to him, klang, or both.
And I don't like it. Not one bit.
Boo, Dave Faris.
You were supposed to say that you can't bring yourself to care about it.
posted by ibmcginty at 7:45 AM on March 24, 2007
And I don't like it. Not one bit.
Boo, Dave Faris.
You were supposed to say that you can't bring yourself to care about it.
posted by ibmcginty at 7:45 AM on March 24, 2007
I, too, think the johnmc music post sucked. Obviously some of you disagree. I think it's pretty clear though. Let's not be disingenuous. If it had been a link to J Random Luser's 300 favorite songs blog, it probably wouldn't have even been posted to the front page. But since it's jonmc, the famous prolific MeFi poster with a low user number, then it's FPP worthy. To some of you. To me, he's just another MeFite. One who tends to post 50 short comments ever time his name comes up. The fact that the blog post generated a lot of comments doesn't make it any less irrelevant to those of us who aren't interested it the MeFi personality cult.
But I guess, as languagehat put it, I'm just being a dick. :P
posted by BeerFilter at 7:48 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
But I guess, as languagehat put it, I'm just being a dick. :P
posted by BeerFilter at 7:48 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Beerfilter, the difference with johnmc's list is that he's mostly right. I enjoyed the link to his blog, and thought it would have been a worthwhile post even if he wasn't a Metafilter member at all, because it is well written, well studied, and obviously a labor of love. His level of understanding of pop music & its culture allows him a certain right to pontificate. It meets my criteria for best of the web.
Oh, and I really don't care if that point is lost on Jouke.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:24 AM on March 24, 2007
Oh, and I really don't care if that point is lost on Jouke.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:24 AM on March 24, 2007
Well, there were at least three people that I know of directly who would have posted jonmc's 300 (yes! it's the other controversial '300'!), and I was one of them, despite the fact that jon and I rarely see eye-to-eye, and that I'm pretty much the last person who wants to make his ego even poofier. That doesn't mean I can't recognize a good thing when I see it, and many of us think he did a good thing.
posted by taz at 8:26 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by taz at 8:26 AM on March 24, 2007
MetaFilter: I'm a great big asshole with a bit of a fondness for great big assholes.
posted by ColdChef at 8:27 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by ColdChef at 8:27 AM on March 24, 2007
VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Blazecock, what time and what channel is Ren and Stimpy on?
posted by Mister_A at 8:28 AM on March 24, 2007
Blazecock, what time and what channel is Ren and Stimpy on?
posted by Mister_A at 8:28 AM on March 24, 2007
Well, that's cool, taz & Devils Rancher. It's all a matter of differing tastes, I suppose.
posted by BeerFilter at 8:37 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by BeerFilter at 8:37 AM on March 24, 2007
Oh, and on the "I don't care" thing, I would say I've been tired of the "I don't care" comment affectation for years, but then that would put me in the "I've been tired of 'X' for years" affectation camp, which I've also been tired of for years.
posted by taz at 8:38 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by taz at 8:38 AM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Must. Not. Respond. To. Dutch-as-Klingon. Troll.
Must. Not. Bite.
Must. Step. Away. From. Keyboard.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:07 AM on March 24, 2007
Must. Not. Bite.
Must. Step. Away. From. Keyboard.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:07 AM on March 24, 2007
he was probably only jouking.
posted by micayetoca at 9:09 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by micayetoca at 9:09 AM on March 24, 2007
Echoing goodnewsfortheinsane
(And Dutch isn't Low German - wtf?)
posted by different at 9:14 AM on March 24, 2007
(And Dutch isn't Low German - wtf?)
posted by different at 9:14 AM on March 24, 2007
Blazecock, what time and what channel is Ren and Stimpy on?
Last night, it was on Nickelodeon at 12 AM.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:41 AM on March 24, 2007
Last night, it was on Nickelodeon at 12 AM.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:41 AM on March 24, 2007
ibmcginty : Boo, Dave Faris.
Nice link there, fella. I almost completely missed it. That's one crazy-assed way to spell the name. Never saw it mangled quite that way before.
You were supposed to say that you can't bring yourself to care about it.
Yeah, I know, I know.
My writing staff is getting sloppy ... missing punchlines left and right... and I really don't like the way they're making my character go these last couple of seasons... it seems like I'm losing marketshare, and the love of the audience. They liked me a whole lot more during seasons 5 to 7, when I was in my link-a-day compulsion. My writers were much better back then. This current bunch is for shit. (I think they're starting to suspect that the stock options for Farisfilter, inc. are worthless.)
posted by Dave Faris at 9:52 AM on March 24, 2007
Nice link there, fella. I almost completely missed it. That's one crazy-assed way to spell the name. Never saw it mangled quite that way before.
You were supposed to say that you can't bring yourself to care about it.
Yeah, I know, I know.
My writing staff is getting sloppy ... missing punchlines left and right... and I really don't like the way they're making my character go these last couple of seasons... it seems like I'm losing marketshare, and the love of the audience. They liked me a whole lot more during seasons 5 to 7, when I was in my link-a-day compulsion. My writers were much better back then. This current bunch is for shit. (I think they're starting to suspect that the stock options for Farisfilter, inc. are worthless.)
posted by Dave Faris at 9:52 AM on March 24, 2007
I, too, think the johnmc music post sucked. Obviously some of you disagree. I think it's pretty clear though. Let's not be disingenuous. If it had been a link to J Random Luser's 300 favorite songs blog, it probably wouldn't have even been posted to the front page. But since it's jonmc, the famous prolific MeFi poster with a low user number, then it's FPP worthy.
I disagree. He actually went into detail about the songs and why they were interesting beyond the normal scope of Blender's new top 50 songs since 1954 with the same repeated crap.
Plus, at least the ones I looked at, jon had song clips to listen to. That was pretty rad.
posted by jmd82 at 9:52 AM on March 24, 2007
I disagree. He actually went into detail about the songs and why they were interesting beyond the normal scope of Blender's new top 50 songs since 1954 with the same repeated crap.
Plus, at least the ones I looked at, jon had song clips to listen to. That was pretty rad.
posted by jmd82 at 9:52 AM on March 24, 2007
Truth be told, I was a little dubious about the countdown blog getting posted here. It was most definitely not my idea. When taz suggested it, I actually cringed a little, imagining the huge bloodbath of a thread or an immediate deletion and MeTa thread that would attach more grief to my name. But, lo and behold, the thread was actually pretty enjoyable. Last night I actually had a few drinks with hellbient and we wer both kind of stunned. And to be honest, the few snarky comments didn't bug me all that much. For better or worse, I'm fairly visible here, and when that happens there's always going to be a few people who just don't like you. That used to get to me, but now I've realized that's their problem, not mine.
posted by jonmc at 10:31 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by jonmc at 10:31 AM on March 24, 2007
Good showing here, jouke. I agree with most of the points in your self-assessment, which was well-rendered.
posted by scarabic at 11:09 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by scarabic at 11:09 AM on March 24, 2007
My aunt died last week. She was cremated. At least, we think that's what did it.
(Jonathan Katz)
Just my way of showing apathy.
posted by The Deej at 11:19 AM on March 24, 2007
(Jonathan Katz)
Just my way of showing apathy.
posted by The Deej at 11:19 AM on March 24, 2007
Let's not be disingenuous. If it had been a link to J Random Luser's 300 favorite songs blog, it probably wouldn't have even been posted to the front page.
If it were the same blog but happened to not be authored by jonmc, it would be perfectly at home on the front page. I don't know where you see disingenuity, there; mefites of varying degrees of visibility have had their stuff posted to the front page plenty of times before, and Projects exists as a purpose-built vehicle for that sort of thing.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:47 AM on March 24, 2007
If it were the same blog but happened to not be authored by jonmc, it would be perfectly at home on the front page. I don't know where you see disingenuity, there; mefites of varying degrees of visibility have had their stuff posted to the front page plenty of times before, and Projects exists as a purpose-built vehicle for that sort of thing.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:47 AM on March 24, 2007
Well, the differences of opinion are what make this an interesting place.
posted by BeerFilter at 11:51 AM on March 24, 2007
posted by BeerFilter at 11:51 AM on March 24, 2007
Oh, absolutely. I just think it's unfair to conflate "I don't like this sort of post" with "this only stands because of favoritism" when arguing against the post.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:03 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:03 PM on March 24, 2007
If it had been a link to J Random Luser's 300 favorite songs blog...
that's the beauty. it is.
posted by quonsar at 12:25 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
that's the beauty. it is.
posted by quonsar at 12:25 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
"because it is well written, well studied, and obviously a labor of love....It meets my criteria for best of the web."
and
"That doesn't mean I can't recognize a good thing when I see it, and many of us think he did a good thing."
and
"He actually went into detail about the songs and why they were interesting beyond the normal scope of Blender's new top 50 songs since 1954 with the same repeated crap. Plus, at least the ones I looked at, jon had song clips to listen to. That was pretty rad."
in opposition to
"It's all a matter of differing tastes, I suppose."
It's not a matter of taste. Taste might involve whether we agree or disagree with his choices. For example, I disagree with a number of his choices. But while the quality of his site and whether it deserved to be posted to MetaFilter is a matter of opinion, it's a matter of opinion based upon a vague set of loosely evaluated objective criteria. And it seems to me that the consensus clearly is that it meets those criteria.
Yes, there are lots of "top X songs" lists on the web. This one stands out, stands above most of those because it's clearly extremely informed, it's well-written, it's wide-ranging, and every single song is available for listening. It's a very interesting and worthy site. It's about "jonmc, the mefite" only to the extent that people are pleased because we happen to know jonmc. Furthermore, if I may be so bold, there is at least a minor consensus that jonmc's participation in music threads is usually at least a little annoying. Yet, there seems to me near-universal acclaim for this blog. Clearly, it's not merely the result of affection for jonmc.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 12:29 PM on March 24, 2007
and
"That doesn't mean I can't recognize a good thing when I see it, and many of us think he did a good thing."
and
"He actually went into detail about the songs and why they were interesting beyond the normal scope of Blender's new top 50 songs since 1954 with the same repeated crap. Plus, at least the ones I looked at, jon had song clips to listen to. That was pretty rad."
in opposition to
"It's all a matter of differing tastes, I suppose."
It's not a matter of taste. Taste might involve whether we agree or disagree with his choices. For example, I disagree with a number of his choices. But while the quality of his site and whether it deserved to be posted to MetaFilter is a matter of opinion, it's a matter of opinion based upon a vague set of loosely evaluated objective criteria. And it seems to me that the consensus clearly is that it meets those criteria.
Yes, there are lots of "top X songs" lists on the web. This one stands out, stands above most of those because it's clearly extremely informed, it's well-written, it's wide-ranging, and every single song is available for listening. It's a very interesting and worthy site. It's about "jonmc, the mefite" only to the extent that people are pleased because we happen to know jonmc. Furthermore, if I may be so bold, there is at least a minor consensus that jonmc's participation in music threads is usually at least a little annoying. Yet, there seems to me near-universal acclaim for this blog. Clearly, it's not merely the result of affection for jonmc.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 12:29 PM on March 24, 2007
The Process of Ho'oponopono:
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:51 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
- Bring to mind anyone with whom you do not feel total alignment or support, etc.
- In your mind's eye, construct a small stage below you.
- Imagine an infinite source of love and healing flowing from a source above the top of your head (from your Higher Self), and open up the top of your head, and let the source of love and healing flow down inside your body, fill up the body, and overflow out your heart to heal up the person on the stage. Be sure it is all right for you to heal the person and that they accept the healing.
- When the healing is complete, have a discussion with the person and forgive them, and have them forgive you.
- Next, let go of the person, and see them floating away. As they do, cut the aka cord that connects the two of you (if appropriate). If you are healing in a current primary relationship, then assimilate the person inside you.
- Do this with every person in your life with whom you are incomplete, or not aligned. The final test is, can you see the person or think of them without feeling any negative emotions. If you do feel negative emotions when you do, then do the process again.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:51 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
I find that kicking the dog soothes my mysanthropy.
(By kicking, I mean drinking, and by the dog, I mean Newcastle Nut Brown.)
posted by isopraxis at 1:00 PM on March 24, 2007
(By kicking, I mean drinking, and by the dog, I mean Newcastle Nut Brown.)
posted by isopraxis at 1:00 PM on March 24, 2007
And by mysanthropy you mean misanthropy.
posted by Aloysius Bear at 1:01 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by Aloysius Bear at 1:01 PM on March 24, 2007
I don't care about yoursanthropy.
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:30 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:30 PM on March 24, 2007
Still nursing that wound, eh Otis? You'll note that I wasn't saying that I didn't care, but was asking what kind of mongoloid couldn't snark on his or her own. And, from your answer, we see that it is your kind of mongoloid.
Everyone's happy.
posted by klangklangston at 2:02 PM on March 24, 2007
Everyone's happy.
posted by klangklangston at 2:02 PM on March 24, 2007
Christ, what an asshole.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:07 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:07 PM on March 24, 2007
And surely by "mongoloid" you meant person of east Asian ethnic stock, klangklangston?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 2:32 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 2:32 PM on March 24, 2007
FWIW, while ho'oponopono is a real practice, "Huna" is a modern system of teachings that, while inspired by Hawaiian practices, is of sometimes questionable authenticity, and the ho'oponopono process quoted here is a pretty good example of Huna teachings that read more like basic New Age thought than actual Hawaiian customs.
This page, while also part of a Huna-related website, actually quotes from a book by noted Hawaiian cultural and language expert Mary Kawena Pukui, providing a description of more traditional ho'oponopono practices: it's much less of an exercise in visualization and more of a mediated, prayerful family conference. Which isn't to say that the private visualization exercises listed above might not be of value to folks, but they simply are not what a traditional ho'oponopono is about.
posted by Smilla's Sense of Snark at 2:41 PM on March 24, 2007
This page, while also part of a Huna-related website, actually quotes from a book by noted Hawaiian cultural and language expert Mary Kawena Pukui, providing a description of more traditional ho'oponopono practices: it's much less of an exercise in visualization and more of a mediated, prayerful family conference. Which isn't to say that the private visualization exercises listed above might not be of value to folks, but they simply are not what a traditional ho'oponopono is about.
posted by Smilla's Sense of Snark at 2:41 PM on March 24, 2007
Oh, neat, Smilla.
posted by klangklangston at 2:43 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by klangklangston at 2:43 PM on March 24, 2007
There aren't enough hours in the day to accomodate all the ho'oponopono I'd require.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:52 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by five fresh fish at 2:52 PM on March 24, 2007
I care although it's meaningless.
posted by taosbat at 4:12 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by taosbat at 4:12 PM on March 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Wound? There's no wounds on the internets. Just a bunch of ones and zeros. I just thought it was highly ironic that a dismissive jackass was calling out someone for being a dismissive jackass.
posted by Otis at 4:20 PM on March 24, 2007
posted by Otis at 4:20 PM on March 24, 2007
I agree with most of the points in your self-assessment, which was well-rendered.
Right, because he admitted that most of those comments shouldn't have been posted in the first place. Glad we all agree.
posted by mediareport at 9:22 PM on March 24, 2007
Right, because he admitted that most of those comments shouldn't have been posted in the first place. Glad we all agree.
posted by mediareport at 9:22 PM on March 24, 2007
Is it too late to tell everyone how I don't care? Or has that boat sailed?
posted by Kwine at 7:47 AM on March 26, 2007
posted by Kwine at 7:47 AM on March 26, 2007
I used to care. Now I'm happy to know a new word (klootzak), and how to pronounce "jouke".
posted by everichon at 10:01 AM on March 26, 2007
posted by everichon at 10:01 AM on March 26, 2007
I don't have an opinion on jouke or klang, but I will strenuously defend the jonmc blog as fucking awesome.
If someone HADN'T posted it to the Blue, I'd have missed out, and it was by streets better than most of the crap that goes up there on an hourly basis.
posted by scrump at 1:59 PM on March 26, 2007
If someone HADN'T posted it to the Blue, I'd have missed out, and it was by streets better than most of the crap that goes up there on an hourly basis.
posted by scrump at 1:59 PM on March 26, 2007
I care about this thread a lot, for it is fucking awesome.
posted by loquacious at 3:21 PM on March 26, 2007
posted by loquacious at 3:21 PM on March 26, 2007
THAT IS NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF AN ADMINISCIST
posted by loquacious at 3:44 PM on March 26, 2007
posted by loquacious at 3:44 PM on March 26, 2007
There are people who are relentlessly negative just because they're joyless bastards, little human rainclouds.
Or because that is what life is all about - ifI those people had anything nice in my their life lives, they would be happy, sunny and joyful like you some other person who doesn't quite spring to mind.
posted by dg at 4:29 PM on March 26, 2007
Or because that is what life is all about - if
posted by dg at 4:29 PM on March 26, 2007
Well, my friend, I sympathize. But I will say that I've met some people with the most objectively terrible lives, people with terminal illnesses, poverty, loss, whatever, who've shone with a genuine love of life (and others with what appeared to be the perfect life who were miserable and determined to make everyone else miserable).
Which is kind of whatever, I know. But if your life has nothing nice in it, it might be time to get a new one!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:12 PM on March 26, 2007
Which is kind of whatever, I know. But if your life has nothing nice in it, it might be time to get a new one!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:12 PM on March 26, 2007
Yeah, I was trying to be all hip and cynical like, but it came out just sad and pathetic, really. My life could be worse by several orders of magnitude, I know and I am an ungrateful fuck for whining about it.
posted by dg at 5:22 PM on March 26, 2007
posted by dg at 5:22 PM on March 26, 2007
What a fucking jouke.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:07 PM on March 26, 2007
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:07 PM on March 26, 2007
MetaFilter: kind of whatever
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:10 AM on March 27, 2007
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:10 AM on March 27, 2007
This thread is about to scroll off the front page.
And I don't care.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:56 AM on March 27, 2007
And I don't care.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:56 AM on March 27, 2007
I'm just wondering when MJJJ got her gold star. Just curious, not bitching or anything.
posted by dazed_one at 9:43 AM on March 27, 2007
posted by dazed_one at 9:43 AM on March 27, 2007
If I recall, she got it as a "best post" prize from a contest Matt had a few months back. There's no doubt she deserves it.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:29 PM on March 27, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 7:29 PM on March 27, 2007
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posted by klangklangston at 8:04 PM on March 23, 2007