Calling them like I see them January 2, 2008 8:41 AM   Subscribe

Finding it sad that the best answer to this AskMe is the OP's vitriolic 'karma is going to get you' retort to another poster.
posted by uaudio to Etiquette/Policy at 8:41 AM (165 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite

I find it said that the OP marked his/her own answer as the best one AND that he/she's been a member of eBay since 1999. I was sort of thinking the OP was maybe born in 1999 with that attitude.
posted by katillathehun at 8:53 AM on January 2, 2008


*sad
posted by katillathehun at 8:53 AM on January 2, 2008


I'll repeat what I said to the OP in thread:

"Do you by any chance have a hotmail account? Because this sounds like a situation where hotmail must have hacked your ebay account settings."
posted by dersins at 8:54 AM on January 2, 2008 [13 favorites]


That thread is a mess. It should be deleted.
posted by chinston at 8:56 AM on January 2, 2008


I'm waiting for the final, ironic episode of the account suspension trilogy - his mefi account gets suspended too.
posted by cashman at 8:58 AM on January 2, 2008 [2 favorites]


Karma - remember - - it works. As you gloated and judged me - so it will be done to you.

Forktine, I am available to gloat and judge you whenever it's convenient. Just let me know.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 8:59 AM on January 2, 2008 [2 favorites]


Jesus, that got ugly. Dude has pretty much washed his hands of the thread as of his most recent comment, too. I'm not sure it's serving a whole lot of purpose, yeah.

I'll repeat what I said to the OP in thread:

Dude, next time just skip straight to Metatalk and save me having to clean up after you, neh?
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:00 AM on January 2, 2008


I like how that "LAST" comment finally worked out.
posted by scabrous at 9:04 AM on January 2, 2008 [4 favorites]


What a thoroughly unpleasant way to interact with people trying to help.
Also, karma does indeed work, but doesn't mean what you think it does, you silly sod.
posted by Abiezer at 9:04 AM on January 2, 2008


Someone needs to explain to the OP that there are a lot of good decaf coffees available these days...
posted by Argyle at 9:05 AM on January 2, 2008 [4 favorites]


new rule: Don't post to ask mefi when upset about your predicament.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:07 AM on January 2, 2008 [10 favorites]


At least it is not Holden0.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 9:07 AM on January 2, 2008


cortex beat me to it. That whole mess is a shame.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:08 AM on January 2, 2008


He reminds me of a bidder I once got on eBay. I listed an item. In the last 12 hours before the auction's end - when it's too late to end a listing early - said item suffered an accident, so I had to start canceling bids. But this one bidder kept re-bidding, even after I had messaged him and explained what was up. So, he wins the auction and asks me for payment information. I tell him - again - as nicely as possible that the item is broken.

Bidder responds by telling me karma is going to get me if he doesn't first.

Dude seriously wanted that sewing machine.
posted by katillathehun at 9:08 AM on January 2, 2008 [5 favorites]


At least it wended ell.
posted by Mister_A at 9:09 AM on January 2, 2008 [3 favorites]


LOL notsnot.
posted by hermitosis at 9:14 AM on January 2, 2008


....waiting until next week, when the OP makes a post on how to get her $5 back
posted by Lucinda at 9:15 AM on January 2, 2008


That was the best answer though.
posted by fire&wings at 9:16 AM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


new rule: Don't post to ask mefi when upset about your predicament.

Exactly. watercarrier has asked and answered other questions before in a totally civil fashion, so this doesn't seem like anything so much as just A Really Bad Day. No need for a pile-on.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:18 AM on January 2, 2008


But now we'll never know what really caused his account to be closed.
posted by smackfu at 9:18 AM on January 2, 2008


we could, if watercarrier posts in here, to explain. The hotmail theory has me intrigued.
posted by cashman at 9:19 AM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


I'll give Watercarrier another shot. He or she can click on this link and it offers help in the event that you're not able to log in.
posted by gfrobe at 9:20 AM on January 2, 2008


To me the problem (and why I didn't comment in the thread), was that in my experience, ebay doesn't cancel your account for one unpaid item (I've paid all of mine, but I've seen plenty of bidders with unpaid item claims in their feedback that were still bidding or selling).

Since it didn't wash with many members experience of how ebay works, it was hard not to think there's more to the situation that we don't know about.

It sort of sounds like the poster can't access ebay at all, which might be more that the poster is currently in an area known for ebay scamming, and ebay has blocked that IP block or something, or Hotmail is fucking with 'em.
posted by drezdn at 9:28 AM on January 2, 2008


This thread needs a furry Boy George in it.
posted by Wolfdog at 9:30 AM on January 2, 2008


Unless you honestly think your behavior on eBay is going to effect your experience of Samsara, and your eventual release from Samsara, you might not want to refer to karma here. I myself am hoping to avoid being reborn as a pig thanks to my multiple GREAT BUYER +++++ responses.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:31 AM on January 2, 2008 [42 favorites]


Astro Zombie, I'm sorry to have to assassinate you and all like this, but you're getting dangerously close to revealing the true purpose of Favorites, and the Illuminati can't really let that sort of thing slide.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:32 AM on January 2, 2008


p.s. no cabal lol
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:33 AM on January 2, 2008 [10 favorites]


Must be a full moon?
posted by anaelith at 9:35 AM on January 2, 2008


Wow. I went for a walk and came back to find the train had gone fully off the tracks.

I hope he/she feels better when they get that whole mess resolved. There is a reason I refuse to do business with Ebay and Paypal -- too many stories like this. Not for me.

Forktine, I am available to gloat and judge you whenever it's convenient. Just let me know.

I spend at least 15 minutes every morning looking in the mirror, gloating and judging with my reflection, so I think I have that one covered for now. Maybe in the best MeFi tradition we could share the love, and add a bit of judgment and gloating to every comment we make?
posted by Forktine at 9:37 AM on January 2, 2008


Those fucking Discordians are far worse than the UFOs.
posted by breezeway at 9:37 AM on January 2, 2008


I have forgotten my oath and the code, and I await the appropriate judgment. Is there no help for the widow's son?
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:37 AM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


Metafilter: your eventual release from Samsara.
posted by stevis23 at 9:40 AM on January 2, 2008 [2 favorites]


I feel really bad for the customer service person who gets watercarrier when he finally just breaks down and calls ebay.
posted by whoaali at 9:46 AM on January 2, 2008


Maybe in the best MeFi tradition we could share the love, and add a bit of judgment and gloating to every comment we make?

We could modify Live Preview to generate not a rendered copy of our comment-in-progress but a string of gloating judgement. Kind of like this.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:46 AM on January 2, 2008 [13 favorites]


watercarrier has asked and answered other questions before in a totally civil fashion, so this doesn't seem like anything so much as just A Really Bad Day

I agree, watercarrier probably just needs to cool out a little bit. Some people go into "Berserk Customer Freakout Mode" when something bad like this happens. That's one of the reasons why working customer service lines sucks so much.
posted by burnmp3s at 9:47 AM on January 2, 2008


We could modify Live Preview to generate not a rendered copy of our comment-in-progress but a string of gloating judgement. Kind of like this.

That is perfect. Can I be the first beta-tester of this fine pony?
posted by Forktine at 9:50 AM on January 2, 2008


Best answering your own non-answer in your own thread is amazing work. Well played, watercarrier. What a jag.
posted by sneakin at 9:50 AM on January 2, 2008


I am so glad I started this thread, if only for the lulz from Cortex's revamped Live Preview. Hats off to you, sir. I applaud the lengths you had to go to crack this joke.
posted by uaudio at 9:58 AM on January 2, 2008


This happened to me. Only it was hotmail and they totally canceled my ISP.
posted by The Bellman at 10:01 AM on January 2, 2008


At least it is not Holden0.

Or is it? Sounds pretty sleep deprived to me...
posted by AwkwardPause at 10:03 AM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


Unless you honestly think your behavior on eBay is going to effect your experience of Samsara, and your eventual release from Samsara, you might not want to refer to karma here.

This "release" from Samsara, is that the same sort of release I can get at an Asian massage parlour? How much extra does it cost in the enlightment package and can I get it Thai style?
posted by Pollomacho at 10:07 AM on January 2, 2008


A++++ WOULD FLAG AGAIN
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:09 AM on January 2, 2008 [13 favorites]


Even if you believe in the more generalized hippie karma of "what goes around comes around" this is a misunderstanding of it. If you get all the way into klesa, eBay and arguments about it pretty much hit the klesa trifecta.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:16 AM on January 2, 2008 [4 favorites]


How much extra does it cost in the enlightment package and can I get it Thai style?

$5. Same as in the the street.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:16 AM on January 2, 2008




And I did it from my dayjob. I just got paid twice to slack off.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:24 AM on January 2, 2008 [5 favorites]


mathowieAdmin: "new rule: Don't post to ask mefi when upset about your predicament."

Under no circumstances?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 10:27 AM on January 2, 2008 [8 favorites]


Sweet!
posted by Mister_A at 10:29 AM on January 2, 2008


And I did it from my dayjob. I just got paid twice to slack off.

You are like a god. A Vedic god. Maybe Vayu, the wind god.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:31 AM on January 2, 2008


This reminds me of the time a scammer on eBay totally tried to rip me off on this really sweet Commercial Grade Singer CG-500.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:38 AM on January 2, 2008 [10 favorites]


I have gloated and judged all of you.
posted by found missing at 10:43 AM on January 2, 2008


i'm willing to gloat and judge anybody here for $250/hour, my old legal rate before i retired.
posted by bruce at 10:47 AM on January 2, 2008


$250? Why, that's a bargain! $250 will barely get you a decent associate to gloat and judge you these days.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 10:57 AM on January 2, 2008


Dude should never buy an Xbox 360. My third one just went down yesterday. I immediately transported myself to a near-mythical level of zen.

It was either that or have the mrs. cart me off to the funny farm.
posted by Frasermoo at 10:57 AM on January 2, 2008


First, the judging. Then, second, the gloating. Not before the judging.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:57 AM on January 2, 2008


MetaFilter: I have gloated and judged all of you.
posted by Mister_A at 10:58 AM on January 2, 2008


Is this the messiest non-human-relations question and answer thread ever on AskMe?
posted by ClanvidHorse at 11:00 AM on January 2, 2008


Metafilter has judged you and found you gloating.

Is this the messiest non-human-relations question and answer thread ever on AskMe?

I can't cite specifics off the top of my head, but this sort of thing happens now and then. Bad day + bad reception + bad followup.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:03 AM on January 2, 2008


Vayu FWIW.

If you're paying attention, you will notice that the linked site is all about dios!
posted by Mister_A at 11:03 AM on January 2, 2008


Finding it sad that my xbox360 broke scant days before christmas and then I got Rock Band as a present and I still can't play it because the warranty replacement 360 hasn't arrived yet.
posted by shmegegge at 11:06 AM on January 2, 2008


Finding it sad that my xbox360 broke scant days before christmas and then I got Rock Band as a present and I still can't play it because the warranty replacement 360 hasn't arrived yet.

Dude, that sucks.
posted by sneakin at 11:13 AM on January 2, 2008


I'm gloating and judging you all right now and loving it! (and doing it for free)
posted by Pollomacho at 11:35 AM on January 2, 2008


Misunderstanding in your words all the way
If I ignore your advice would you say
I'm a man without connection
I'm a man who doesn't budge
You never solve my disaffection
You gloat and judge
You gloat and judge

Karma karma karma karma karma come eBay win
You gloat and judge
You gloat and judge
What goes around, comes around to the highest bid
You've won a grudge
You paid too much

Didn't get the answer I was looking for
I had the best answer myself even before
I bothered asking for satisfaction
When we ask our need is strong
When your mind is closed you're closed forever
You answered wrong
You answered wrong

My best answer begs the question
There is no end to circular suggestions
My best answer begs the question
Is this repetition or resurrection

Karma karma karma karma karma come eBay win
You gloat and judge
You gloat and judge
What goes around, comes around to the highest bid
You've won a grudge
You paid too much

I'm a man without connection
I'm a man who doesn't budge
You never solve my disaffection
You gloat and judge
You gloat and judge
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:48 AM on January 2, 2008 [21 favorites]


He's also not so pleasant in his previous questions. His "Mind changing DNA" question is also a nightmare of answering critics, coming up with his own answers during the thread, and then ending it by saying stuff like 'dude, whats the REAL scientific method.' I vote for born in 1999 also.
posted by damn dirty ape at 11:59 AM on January 2, 2008


watercarrier has asked and answered other questions before in a totally civil fashion, so this doesn't seem like anything so much as just A Really Bad Day

This isn't really true. He actually has a history of asking questions where he understands the subject so poorly that he can't formulate a good question, and then getting snippy when people try to help him clarify his intentions. See his "herbs" question, and his "mind energy DNA" question. The latter reads like a troll it's so loony. Since he's only asked 7 questions, including the deleted one from today, he doesn't have a very good batting average. Yeah, he's been thankful, or at least not commented, in several of his questions, but it's actually just as likely that the behavior he exhibited today is his normal behavior.
posted by OmieWise at 12:02 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


I demand that Cortex get paid twice to record IRFH's song. RITE NOW.
posted by SassHat at 12:06 PM on January 2, 2008


Finding it sad that my xbox360 broke scant days before christmas and then I got Rock Band as a present and I still can't play it because the warranty replacement 360 hasn't arrived yet.

FYI - there is nothing *more* to this story. At all. And also I didn't try to fuck my xbox360 and now it's broken. No email. No nothing. I've been playing video games since 1999 and all I did was NOT vie to give Microsoft the three digits on the back of my credit card. I have tried 10 times (at least) not to fuck my xbox.

Tried to mount another one now THAT ONE's broken.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:08 PM on January 2, 2008 [3 favorites]


Man. Amend my comment to "less crazy whacko uncivil fashion", I guess. That'll teach me to glance instead of dig.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:12 PM on January 2, 2008


I demand that Cortex get paid twice to record IRFH's song. RITE NOW.

What, you want him to get two dented cans? He should record it right now because THAT'S HIS JOB.
posted by languagehat at 12:13 PM on January 2, 2008


shakespeherian has confused me. yes, I'm aware of how much there is to the story. it's my story. what are you talking about? are... are you FraserMoo's sock puppet?
posted by shmegegge at 12:15 PM on January 2, 2008


No, shmegegge. I'm your sock puppet.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:23 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


No, shmegegge. I'm your sock puppet.

And his last post came from inside the house!
posted by Pollomacho at 12:26 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


Entirely irrelevant, but there's way too much chatfilter on AskMe these days: 1, 2, 3. I didn't want to call the first one out because I'd feel like a grinch: aww, the sweet newlyweds want nice stories, how cute, who am I to piss on their honeymoon. But "what have you read or seen lately that has changed your mind?" "If you could move to any place in the world where would you go to and why?" IF YOU WERE A TREE WHAT KIND OF TREE WOULD YOU BE AMIRITE? Bah humbug.
posted by languagehat at 12:28 PM on January 2, 2008 [10 favorites]


Sometimes I get too personally attached to the questions I've posted and been a little argumentative in my followups (and have felt kinda bad about that). I clicked on the AskMe thread to see how much he really was "moderating" his thread. Not only was that a really fun read, but I feel sooooo much better about myself now! Yay MeFi–you never stop paying off!

(Hugs self and Metafilter)
posted by iamkimiam at 12:30 PM on January 2, 2008 [2 favorites]


Brand new day YEAR!
posted by edgeways at 12:34 PM on January 2, 2008


and I hope the AskMe OP, got a little note of "encouragement", as they are seriously heading towards making a big(er) mess one of these days
posted by edgeways at 12:35 PM on January 2, 2008


... I have tried 10 times (at least) not to fuck my xbox.
Tried to mount another one now THAT ONE's broken.

shakespeherian at 2:08 PM

Uhm, I blame your technique. And ... TMI anyway, dude.
posted by heyho at 12:49 PM on January 2, 2008


Entirely irrelevant, but there's way too much chatfilter on AskMe these days: 1, 2, 3. I didn't want to call the first one out because I'd feel like a grinch: aww, the sweet newlyweds want nice stories, how cute, who am I to piss on their honeymoon. But "what have you read or seen lately that has changed your mind?" "If you could move to any place in the world where would you go to and why?" IF YOU WERE A TREE WHAT KIND OF TREE WOULD YOU BE AMIRITE? Bah humbug.

Just flag 'em, that's what I do. There's also an old MetaTalk post about it.
posted by burnmp3s at 12:50 PM on January 2, 2008


languagehat: you are totally my hero. May I buy you a drink and we can also mock: what's good slogan for my store, what should I name my blog, and are you happy?
posted by crush-onastick at 1:01 PM on January 2, 2008


I'm a man without connection
I'm a man who doesn't budge
You never solve my disaffection
You gloat and judge
You gloat and judge
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson


Someone's playing Rock Star!
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:04 PM on January 2, 2008


With a nod to Dersins and The Bellman, Hotmail hacked my eBay account and it stole several of my laptops.
posted by uaudio at 1:05 PM on January 2, 2008


1) validation-onastick
2) blog-onastick
3) Almost never
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:05 PM on January 2, 2008


Entirely irrelevant, but there's way too much chatfilter on AskMe these days

Oh, your post is out of date already!
January 2, 2008 3:54 PM
...
posted by zebra3 at 1:11 PM on January 2, 2008


1) "Any Better And You Wouldn't Need a Wife!"
2) Billy Witchblogger Dot Com
3) Who wouldn't be, with this punnem?
posted by shmegegge at 1:16 PM on January 2, 2008


Entirely irrelevant, but there's way too much chatfilter on AskMe these days

Oh, your post is out of date already!
January 2, 2008 3:54 PM...


It may be chatfilter, but at least he's encouraging people to "Take a look inside yourself". I took a look inside myself and there was a bunch of weird organs and bones and stuff. I'm not sure if that means I'm happy or not.
posted by burnmp3s at 1:21 PM on January 2, 2008


I like to take a look inside other people.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:22 PM on January 2, 2008


And... it's gone. Are you happy, now, zebra3? Take a look inside.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:25 PM on January 2, 2008


OH NO
posted by zebra3 at 1:36 PM on January 2, 2008


::opens self up to cortex::

DON'T steal anything, I need that shit.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:40 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


Entirely irrelevant, but there's way too much chatfilter on AskMe these days: 1, 2, 3.

not to mention the recent 'can restaurants close early legally' question is pure soap box/talk show host crap.
posted by damn dirty ape at 2:01 PM on January 2, 2008


A quick search shows that no one has yet asked AskMe what's the deal with airline food. I feel my destiny calling ...
posted by maudlin at 2:18 PM on January 2, 2008


It may be chatfilter, but at least he's encouraging people to "Take a look inside yourself".

No way. The last time I did this, I had to send my inner child to military school.
posted by FelliniBlank at 2:22 PM on January 2, 2008


This is why all those "How to Get Rich on ebay" books and tapes should have an appendix on "how the internet works" or "why no one wins a forum thread argument" -- just seems irresponsible to send this budding entrepreneurs into our series of tubes without some sort of primer.
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:32 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


What the hell does "neh" mean?
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 2:35 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


this = these
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:35 PM on January 2, 2008


Its greek for yes.
posted by damn dirty ape at 2:36 PM on January 2, 2008


"neh" is to "HAVE I MADE MYSELF PERFECTLY FUCKING UNDERSTOOD?!" as "meh" is to "THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO IS THE GREATEST THING IN THE HISTORY OF THINGS!!1"
posted by cog_nate at 2:41 PM on January 2, 2008


"Neh" doesn't mean "I refuse to acknowlege your in-joke?"
posted by uaudio at 2:57 PM on January 2, 2008 [2 favorites]


It means cortex likes anime. Or cyberpunk books from the eighties.
posted by boo_radley at 2:59 PM on January 2, 2008


Or is Hawaiian.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:01 PM on January 2, 2008


Wow - to me this is an example of how this site gets all out of control sometimes. I felt his exasperation and understood it - he was getting answers he specifically asked not to get - once I can understand, but it was a total pile-on. Now, of course he didn't help his situation by being snippy but I'm a little taken aback at how gleeful people are here about how poorly he handled things. And I thought AskMe was about a bit more kindness than that.

Here's hoping he gets his (potentially scary, if it involves ID theft) problem resolved.
posted by agregoli at 3:08 PM on January 2, 2008


It means cortex likes anime. Or cyberpunk books from the eighties.

Ender's Game and a couple of years of Japanese in High School, to be honest.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:27 PM on January 2, 2008


And I thought AskMe was about a bit more kindness than that.

Well, to be fair: in the AskMe thread, I saw more shock and skepticism and frustration at his stubbornness/defensiveness than anything like gleeful mockery. Metatalk is its own wild land, and that (and the sense of distance -- commentary thread vs. askme thread) has a lot to do with the snarkiness in here, I think.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:29 PM on January 2, 2008


"It means cortex likes anime. Or cyberpunk books from the eighties.

...

Or is Hawaiian."


Da kine, brah.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 3:37 PM on January 2, 2008


once I can understand, but it was a total pile-on.

Look, he somehow decided that "There must be more to this story" somehow could ONLY mean he was lying or holding something back. As though he was the ONLY one involved in the story.

That's just bizarre.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 3:45 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


He was getting answers he specifically asked not to get

Didn't he ask how to contact someone at eBay and explain to them what happened, for which he was given phone numbers and e-mail addresses, in response to which he flailed like a muppet? I don't think there was a response to his question that would have satisfied him short of eBay itself rising up from the abyss and prostrating itself before him.
posted by katillathehun at 3:57 PM on January 2, 2008 [12 favorites]


I just want to say that "flailed like a muppet" is my new favorite saying.
posted by GaelFC at 4:21 PM on January 2, 2008 [12 favorites]


The answers given where legit answers, and the asking after additional info was also legit, his hyper-defensiveness and willful ignoring of assistance being offered resulted in a predictable fashion. Kindness is default position, not an absolute. If you act pissy your going to get pissed on. And the reason it doesn't stop with just ONE person responding is he is reacting to a community, which reacts back.
posted by edgeways at 4:40 PM on January 2, 2008


Can anyone explain the original story: "I bought something on eBay which was described misleadingly. I decided the best course of action was to pay, but not receive the item"?

Because ... that's insane. Only ten bucks worth of insane, but still.
posted by AmbroseChapel at 5:04 PM on January 2, 2008




Because ... that's insane. Only ten bucks worth of insane, but still.

It's not insane at all if he had no use for the item but would have had to pay for shipping.
posted by "Tex" Connor and the Wily Roundup Boys at 5:22 PM on January 2, 2008


Can anyone explain the original story: "I bought something on eBay which was described misleadingly. I decided the best course of action was to pay, but not receive the item"?

Easy - someone on ebay advertised twin mefi accounts to ask and answer your own question with. Then the seller said they actually only had 1 account to get rowdy with. Well the poster already had that. But out of respect for the site, offered to pay.

The confusion happened when the seller advertised it as "duel metafilter account". Pretty simple, really.
posted by cashman at 5:32 PM on January 2, 2008


I feel party responsible for the AskMe screw up. Usually we make a point to not delete follow-ups from the OP even if they veer off-topic or are jokey and/or otherwise violate rules of AskMe.

The general guideline is that even though the question is open to everyone, it's still the OP's prerogative to try to explain themselves and/or their issue. In this case, even when the OP was clearly getting a little heated and/or inappropriately pissy with people (to my read) I felt like it was a better idea to try to let him work it out and figure it out and not go in and remove some of the insulting or confusing things that he said. I think closing the thread was probably the right idea, but it would have been nice if one of us could have stepped in and maybe calmed things down some to figure out what the hell the guy was even talking about.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:36 PM on January 2, 2008


If you go through watercarrier's history it turns out he is incredibly fucking stupid as well as snippy and ungrateful. Drugs, theories on telekinesis, and eBay complaints? Congratulations: you're the guy selling remaindered UFO books at Burning Man.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:42 PM on January 2, 2008 [14 favorites]


I feel party responsible for the AskMe screw up.

Everyone, man your pitchforks!

Drugs, theories on telekinesis, and eBay complaints?

He didn't write that, he's just sending you telepathic images.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:05 PM on January 2, 2008


>It's not insane at all if he had no use for the item but would have had to pay for shipping.

The key point is that (according to him) the listing was misleading. So you dispute it or whatever it's called, and don't pay anything.
posted by AmbroseChapel at 6:15 PM on January 2, 2008


MetaFilter: Only ten bucks worth of insane.
posted by Mister_A at 6:27 PM on January 2, 2008


Assuming that you have a "real" account and a sockpuppet...
posted by Mister_A at 6:29 PM on January 2, 2008


Congratulations: you're the guy selling remaindered UFO books at Burning Man.

Thanks for telling us where you go shopping.
posted by sgt.serenity at 6:46 PM on January 2, 2008


Can't we all just agree it is morally wrong and totally sexist to talk to women?
posted by psmith at 7:01 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


1999 was almost ten years ago? Christ.
posted by maxwelton at 7:04 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


For the sake of beating a dead horse and general pointlessness, here is my blow-by-blow summarization of this debacle:

OP asks "My account was canceled for a non-payment. How do I contact someone at ebay and explain my situation?".

Someone posts phone numbers.
Someone posts an email address.
Someone posts a way to chat with eBay.

OP says he can't call because he's out of the country.

Someone says that eBay doesn't cancel accounts for this kind of thing, so there must be something else going on.

OP says there is absolutely nothing else going on.

Two people say that calling really is the best option, even if it has to be long distance.
Someone says that the OPs actions could easily be misinterpreted as a scam.
Someone else re-iterates that eBay does not cancel accounts for one non-payment, and that he should contact eBay to get it straightened out.

OP re-iterates that "nothing else is going on" and that he only wants ways to contact eBay via email.

OP says that eBay did indeed cancel his account after one non-payment.

OP says that he can't contact customer support because he only has email access.

OP says that could not in fact be misinterpreted as a scam.

Someone suggests calling customer service.
Someone offers email addresses for eBay and PayPal and suggests that the OP open a new account.
Someone suggests that there could be some sort of misunderstanding, and that not being able to login doesn't necessarily mean that an account has been suspended.
Someone suggests that the OP is not being very receptive to the answers being given.
Someone says that calling customer service is the best option even if it's expensive.
Someone says that even if your account is suspended for non-payment the OP should be able to log in.

OP says that he can't login, and that he tried to set up a new account but that one was suspended too. He also tells people to stop responding if they don't have a way to resolve the issue via email.

OP posts some negative comments from another forum saying that eBay support sucks.

Someone suggests that the thread will soon be closed.
Someone says that resolving the issue via email is impossible, and the only way to get support is via phone.

OP says that the people answering don't know what they are talking about and that they are giving misinformation.

Someone says that the OP is jumping to conclusions and is being abrasive and hostile.
Someone posts several corporate eBay email addresses.

OP says that the phone numbers given do not go to a human, and are therefore useless. He thanks everyone for their help.

*OP tells one of the answerers that his gloating and judging will be answered with retribution.*

Someone suggests the thread will be closed forthwith.

<the thread is closed>

* - marked as best answer by the OP
posted by burnmp3s at 7:14 PM on January 2, 2008 [8 favorites]


Jeez, and me on a plane all day.
posted by klangklangston at 7:55 PM on January 2, 2008


burnmp3s, that was awesome. Can you please do play-by-plays for every thread? You'd be my new favorite pony and I'd ride you and feed you (carrots even!) every single dingle day!
posted by iamkimiam at 7:56 PM on January 2, 2008


Wait... carrots? I want a carrot.
posted by drleary at 8:48 PM on January 2, 2008


so... his SECOND answer was an email address... and he still flipped out at everybody? oh shit, that's awesome.
posted by shmegegge at 9:15 PM on January 2, 2008


Ride? I want to be ridden. Wait. Er.
posted by maxwelton at 9:16 PM on January 2, 2008


That dude sounds like a dick. I'm impressed people kept on trying to help him.
posted by chunking express at 9:17 PM on January 2, 2008


We help because we care. So much.
posted by iamkimiam at 9:29 PM on January 2, 2008 [1 favorite]


That dude sounds like a dick. I'm impressed people kept on trying to help him.

Thanks for giving dicks a bad rap.
posted by worker_bee at 6:30 AM on January 3, 2008


christ, what an asshole.
posted by cosmicbandito at 7:22 AM on January 3, 2008


I sitll think s/he marking their own response as best answer is just priceless.

Stay Classy, AskMe!
posted by Dagobert at 8:40 AM on January 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


Ha haha, hey it's the jerkoff "herbs" guy! *kicks campfire embers in his direction, points with penultimate hippie menace* Get out of this camp! Transgressor!! Boooo!

/me has obviously been too long with the hippies, hackers and hobos.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:38 AM on January 3, 2008


That thread was a triumph. HUGE SUCCESS.
posted by Justinian at 9:43 AM on January 3, 2008


God damn you Justinian. God damn you to earworm hell.

And the science gets done
And you make a neat gun


Oh god damn you.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 9:52 AM on January 3, 2008


My work is done.
posted by Justinian at 10:21 AM on January 3, 2008


for the people that are still alive.
posted by shmegegge at 10:30 AM on January 3, 2008


From the "Matter Changing DNA thread"

While the study that Targ was working on when she died, about "distance healing" (sic) and brain cancer has finished, there don't seem to be any results published. However, on this page, almost at the very bottom, there is a listing for a talk from Andrew Freinkel who took over as PI, called, "No Effect of Anonymous Distant Healing on Survival Time for Patients With Glioblastoma Multiforme". So I guess it matters a lot more whether or not the study is manipulated than it does whether or not you're prayed for.

This is so funny. I actually work in a lab with Dr. Freinkel and ran into him in the elevator this morning and told him I saw his name on the internet. He confirmed that the good studies on distance healing show no statistical significance between the two groups, and the ones that do show statistical significance make use of "bullshit cherry-picking" (I believe that's a scientific term.). He also said that not only do the wacko distance healers truly believe they are healing people from a distance, but they actually (in his opinion) meet criteria for a new non-DSM-documented disorder that he called "delusional altruism."

He's also probably the only person in America who received a vial of salvia divinorum from his Secret Santa. (It wasn't me.)
posted by granted at 12:49 PM on January 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


What I meant is "Mind Changing DNA." Mind over matter. HA HA HA i'm hilarious.
posted by granted at 12:51 PM on January 3, 2008


Dude this guy is awesome. Watercarrier forever!
posted by Mister_A at 12:53 PM on January 3, 2008


Congratulations: you're the guy selling remaindered UFO books at Burning Man.

Congratulations, you're the guy who uses Burning Man as a cliche without knowing thing 1 about it.

You can't sell anything there.
posted by scarabic at 1:20 PM on January 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


Oooohhhhhh.

Neh.

Thanks, Urban Dictionary!
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 2:26 PM on January 3, 2008


This is in response to what went down here yesterday when I made the huge mistake in bringing this problem to Meta. But there was one person who provided me with an actual email - to whom I sent the letter - thank you

and a fast flurry of emails were then sent to me by ebay - and this is the explanation I received from them:

Dear xxx,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to accessing your account.

Your account is not suspended. I reviewed your account and found that it
was accessed by an unauthorized person. Your eBay password was no longer
secure. As a result, we reset your password to prevent unauthorized
activity on your account.

This process assures us that you will have sole control of the account
once again. While we can't disclose the details of our research that led
us to take this action, we hope you feel confident that we acted in your
best interest.

You should have received a separate email with your temporary password
and instructions on how to choose a new password.




***Note***
If you didn't get the email, the spam filters on your email account
might be preventing it from getting to your Inbox. Your email service
provider will be able to help you bypass the filters.

To change your password yourself, please follow these steps:

1. Click the "site map" link located at the top of most eBay pages. You
may be asked to sign in.
2. Click the "Forgot Your Password" link located under the "My Account"
heading.
3. Enter your User ID, and click the "Continue" button.
4. Answer at least one of the questions, and click the "Continue"
button.

We will send you an email with instructions for completing your password
change. This e-mail will be entitled "Forgotten Password" and will
contain a link for you to create a new password.

5. Copy and paste, or type, the link into your browser's address bar.
***Do not click this link.***
6. Enter your User ID, and click the "Continue" button.
7. Enter your new password twice, and click the "Submit Changes" button.


After you complete the password change process, you'll see the following
message on your My eBay page: "Your changes have been saved." We'll also
send you a confirmation email.


Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
xxxx

eBay Customer Support
______________________________
eBay
Your Personal Trading Community (tm)
*****************************************
posted by watercarrier at 3:02 PM on January 3, 2008


I then sent them a letter telling them that I NEVER received any kind of notification from them about this - and the potential threat to my account - and most importantly how to ACCESS the account - meanwhile I was thinking it all had to do with the $10.00 auction and being suspended - which it turns out I was not - and they sent me this:

Dear xx,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to the difficulty you have had in
accessing your account.

I can assure you we have sent you an email regarding the action we had
taken on your account. When a person isn't receiving email, it's often
because a spam filter prevents the messages from reaching the inbox.
Spam filters are designed to keep spam (unwanted, junk email) out of
your inbox. Unfortunately, in its attempt to protect you from spam, the
spam filter may also delete email that you consider important.

It's possible that these messages are being redirected to another folder
with a name like "bulk." The spam filter could also delete the messages
or block them completely.

Usually there's a way to adjust the settings on your spam filter to
prevent unwanted mail from getting to you while still allowing emails
that you *want* to reach you. To learn how to adjust your spam settings,
please consult the Help files of your email program.

I have reviewed your account and it appears that you were able to change
your password and regain access to your account after you sent this
email.

If you are still having difficulties accessing your account, here are
the steps to change your password again:

1. Click the "Sign in" link located at the top of most eBay pages.
2. Click the "Forgot your password?" link located under the Password
box.
3. Enter your User ID, and click the "Continue" button.
4. Answer at least one of the questions, and click the "Continue"
button.

We will send you an email with instructions for completing your password
change. This e-mail will be entitled "Forgotten Password" and will
contain a link for you to create a new password. Once you receive this
email:

1. Copy and paste, or type, the link in the email into your Web
browser's address bar. ***Do not click this link.***
2. Enter your User ID, and click the "Continue" button.
3. Enter your new password twice, and click the "Submit Changes" button.


If you still continue to have any further difficulties, please contact
our Account Theft Live Help team. By contacting the Live Help team, we
will be able to quickly resolve any remaining issues related to your
account and discuss any additional questions or concerns that you may
have.

You can reach a Live Help representative using the following link:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/ato-livehelp.html



Thank you for your time,

Sincerely,

xxxx
eBay Customer Support
______________________________
eBay
Your Personal Trading Community (tm)

*******************************************
posted by watercarrier at 3:07 PM on January 3, 2008


Which is utter BS - never received anything from them and my email doesn't have any filters - I keep getting ebay spam fine. It was their screw up on all levels.

Now as for those who judged me on this - yes, it's your karma for not giving me the benefit of the doubt when I told you what went down. I don't need people's judgments on do I have money to make calls, *there's more to this* - or whatever. That's all. You have and had no way of knowing what transpired yet you ASSUMED that this was some kind of scam. Whatever. I made a huge error in judgment myself in approaching total strangers with a matter of this importance. It won't happen again. If I ever need a question answered I'll make sure it only entails minutia and trivia stuff that don't deal with my livlihood.

Thanks to those who DID respond humanely and accurately.
End.
posted by watercarrier at 3:12 PM on January 3, 2008


But watercarrier, do you not see that the people who said there was more to it were right?
posted by Mavri at 3:17 PM on January 3, 2008 [8 favorites]


You have and had no way of knowing what transpired yet you ASSUMED that this was some kind of scam.

watercarrier, people were assuming that there was something—neutral, inclusive meaning here—additional to the situation that would explain why this thing that shouldn't happen did happen. Folks talked about how your behavior could be perceived by ebay to be a scam, regardless of your innocence of same.

As it turned out, according to ebay, something else was up. You reacted really, really negatively to people trying to help you explore what was, on the surface, not a self-consistent occurance.

Bringing a question to the table when you're really, really emotionally invested in it is something you need to do with care, so that you don't badly muck up the dynamic of the thread. Your frustration at not getting precisely the answers you wanted to get doesn't really excuse your lousy reaction to the answerers, as understandable as your distress about the ebay situation may be.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:18 PM on January 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


Aww, just when I wanted to poke watercarrier with the spiteful stick, cortex went and poked 'em with the calm and comforting stick.
posted by klangklangston at 3:30 PM on January 3, 2008


Yeah, if there was any time to close this thread, it was now.
posted by smackfu at 3:46 PM on January 3, 2008


I'm with you klangklangston. Can we get somebody to flameout here? Maybe if I offer to cut of my hand?
posted by never used baby shoes at 3:47 PM on January 3, 2008


Your account is not suspended. I reviewed your account and found that it was accessed by an unauthorized person. Your eBay password was no longer secure.

OMG Hotmail really did hack his account settings!
posted by dersins at 3:47 PM on January 3, 2008


Wow, somebody really shook the crazy stick extra hard in watercarrier's direction.
posted by Justinian at 3:48 PM on January 3, 2008


Yeah, if there was any time to close this thread, it was now.

Not before I call somebody a shitnozzle!

which I'll do in a minute when I get back from trying to say nice things over at gifthub.
posted by shmegegge at 3:50 PM on January 3, 2008


which I'll do in a minute when I get back from trying to say nice things over at gifthub.

Yeah, I've just been doing that myself. It's painful, but it has a strange semisweet aftertaste.

posted by languagehat at 3:53 PM on January 3, 2008


Not before I call somebody a shitnozzle!

I had a cat once that got diarrhea in the living room -- now that was a shitnozzle.

I'm glad to hear that the Ebay situation was resolved. There were three people who provided email addresses -- it would be nice to know which was the right one.
posted by Forktine at 3:56 PM on January 3, 2008


Forktine's cat is a shitnozzle!

alright, we can close the thread now.
posted by shmegegge at 3:57 PM on January 3, 2008


Cortex your comments as others' are duly noted. The OP is lost and so there is no way to go back and see who it was that posted the bill cobb email. Just as well. You delete a post with vital information, you have to be prepared for the outcome.
posted by watercarrier at 4:05 PM on January 3, 2008


Uh, you do realize the post is still viewable?
posted by casarkos at 4:08 PM on January 3, 2008


Obviously this was all your fault, cortex.
posted by Justinian at 4:12 PM on January 3, 2008


As casarkos points out, the post is still available; if you don't have the link handy (it's also referenced in the post text at the top of this thread), you can always try the Recent Activity page, which is linked in the menu at the top of every mefi page.

Do you want to discuss any of this further? If not, it's probably best that we close this thread.
posted by cortex (staff) at 4:22 PM on January 3, 2008


lets see if this works again:

thread closing in 5...4...3...2...
posted by uaudio at 4:42 PM on January 3, 2008


Last post.
posted by 3... 2... 1... mark at 4:47 PM on January 3, 2008


Really?
posted by dersins at 4:58 PM on January 3, 2008


But I want to discuss how this is all of our fault, but partcularly cortex's, further.
posted by Justinian at 5:01 PM on January 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


DAMN YOU, HIPPIE!
posted by languagehat at 5:04 PM on January 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


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