Scientology and Metafilter: Perfect together? April 3, 2008 6:45 PM   Subscribe

MetaFilter ad links to Scientology site.

http://www.scientology.org/index.html?gclid=CL6lhvuiwJICFQWysgodLgGDbg

It wasn't a sneak attack or anything, the ad says scientology all over it. I was not logged in and so was able to see it. I don't normally care about these things, but if they're going to give us a hard time about razzing certain prominent members of their cu-- religion, that is, then maybe we don't want to advertise for them, despite the mad lewt that is raining down on us courtesy of the Xenuites, and the rad Ajax-y goodnezz it bestows unto the community and everything.

Just saying.
posted by Mister_A to Etiquette/Policy at 6:45 PM (80 comments total)

Matt, please don't allow Scientology ads on this site.
posted by orange swan at 6:50 PM on April 3, 2008 [25 favorites]


I think the ads are (sometimes) randomly generated. There was an Ann Coulter ad a while back, as I recall, and I'm pretty neither she nor MeFi would think that was a good idea.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:54 PM on April 3, 2008


Ann Coulter giving matt money is cool.

Scientology, not so much
posted by b1tr0t at 6:57 PM on April 3, 2008 [5 favorites]


I'm pretty

Me too!
posted by peacay at 7:00 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


their cu-- religion

I hate Scientology as much as next man, but "their cunt religion" is inappropriate.
posted by Krrrlson at 7:03 PM on April 3, 2008 [24 favorites]


I would like to see MORE religious ads.
posted by Dizzy at 7:03 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


Yes I do think they are random, I am also pretty sure there's a mechanism to ban certain entities or categories.

Yes, you are pretty peacay. I just have a nice personality.
posted by Mister_A at 7:04 PM on April 3, 2008




I think we need to give it a chance. It might be the next "peanut butter & chocolate"!
posted by never used baby shoes at 7:09 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


I logged out to look for the ad again on the blue, fruitlessly. I came back to this post because I am vain and wanted to see how awesome everyone thought it was. THE AD WAS IN THIS THREAD! THE AD IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE THREAD!!!111!!

And then I shitted myself a little, out of confusion.
posted by Mister_A at 7:11 PM on April 3, 2008 [11 favorites]


lemme put scientology.org in the block list.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:11 PM on April 3, 2008 [27 favorites]


Thank you!
posted by Mister_A at 7:12 PM on April 3, 2008


how do ads work anyway? is revenue collected if no one clicks thru, or is the concern that this site be in anyway connected with that cult. I ask because I recall a quote from the Rev Billy Sunday, prohibitionist extroadinare, upon taking a large finical gift from a dubious 'worldly' source, 'The devil has had the money long enough', Sunday said, 'it's God's turn to spend it.' or words to that effect
posted by dawson at 7:12 PM on April 3, 2008


MetaFilter: it doesn't get any clearer...
posted by not_on_display at 7:17 PM on April 3, 2008


Sweet Lord, it's just an ad, people, you've been ignoring them most of your life. If it makes you feel any better, think of it as Matt and Jess looting their treasury.
posted by jonmc at 7:20 PM on April 3, 2008


mathowie, you really need to send them a note that says "we're blocking your ad because it's suppressive content". With any luck, it'll create a kind of self-fulfilling circle-jerk Charybdis of unholy ScientoloLOL that'll destroy the church.
posted by scrump at 7:20 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


Sweet Lord, it's just an ad, people, you've been ignoring them most of your life. If it makes you feel any better, think of it as Matt and Jess looting their treasury.

You're missing the point. It's not about "omg an ad for an organization", it's "Scientology threatened to sue MetaFilter over a comment made by a community member, so we don't want to fucking advertise for them".

Dear Scientology,

Get cancer.

xoxo,
mikey-san
posted by Mikey-San at 7:39 PM on April 3, 2008 [8 favorites]


Yeah, it's Us or Them!

Fortunately, you can avoid encountering Them by paying a mere $5 to Us. Their fee is slightly more.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 7:44 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


And they don't have a "disable" button.
posted by casarkos at 7:47 PM on April 3, 2008


Scientology is the essence of pure evil, and should be discredited, exposed and denied positive publicity at every opportunity. Fuck the criminals who run that organization, fuck the idiots who put on a happy face for the organization, and best of luck to all those poor saps who have been tricked and deluded into joining that criminal cult.

Read "A Piece of Blue Sky." It's on the web for free. Once you become aware of how that organization works and the crimes it commits, you'll despise them as much as I. :)
posted by five fresh fish at 7:55 PM on April 3, 2008 [4 favorites]


Ads are ads, and we don't have to click on them if we don't like them. We Mefites are a smart bunch, and I don't think that any of us are in danger of becoming Scientologists just because we're exposed to the occasional Xenuphilic text ad.

We're also dumb enough to give the mods plenty of work without asking them to police randomly-generated ads.

My policy, when I come across an ad I don't like on a site that I use and enjoy is to click that fucker. My favorite site gains a penny or two, and the puppy mill, sketchy religio-business or scam in question loses a penny.
posted by freshwater_pr0n at 7:55 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


"their cunt religion" is inappropriate.

Prove it
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:00 PM on April 3, 2008 [3 favorites]


I was going to add "Monsanto, too", but someone beat me to it.

Ah, what the hell: Monsanto is pure essence of evil, too.

I'm also thinking Mr. Steve etcetera is a tincture of evil. The idiocy that spews from his keyboard can't be explained by mere stupidity.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:14 PM on April 3, 2008


Mr. Steve etcetera is a tincture of evil.

Nah, he's just another bored guy at a keyboard who thinks he' some kind of ionoclast or some such bullshit. It's epidemic, I call it the CyberFlu.
posted by jonmc at 8:16 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


But is he a positive ionoclast, or a negative one?
posted by pompomtom at 8:43 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


The Xenu that can be advertised is not the real Xenu.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:51 PM on April 3, 2008


...

I'm not even sure how to respond to this one. Me? Speechless? Fuck.
posted by loquacious at 8:56 PM on April 3, 2008


loq, I'm sure there is something that you could say if you just turned your shock into something cute and fluffy.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:58 PM on April 3, 2008


Sure, Metafilter is relatively cheap at $5 for lifetime membership, but it doesn't give you guaranteed eternal salvation or triple your money back, now, does it?
posted by Jimbob at 9:04 PM on April 3, 2008


*ponders*

I'm not comfortable with any of my words being displayed near ads for scientology. I'm not comfortable being associated with it by inferrence.

I'm uncomfortable with using a site that makes money - however random and indirect - from Scientology, not for issues of integrity in the case of MetaFilter - but for the reasons that that money is ill-gotten and tainted in origin through the malicious fleecing of lost morons.


It's not just an advertisement. We can't just ignore it.

Look, this is basic media-based marketing. Or at least it used to. No one (really) wants to buy ads in a crappy magazine or no-name Xanga or LiveJournal blog - it's just that it's now cheap and easy to do so and target keywords.

The ideal media advertising purchase is one that is not only widely read or viewed - but a product of quality or substantial value, or even integrity.

If everyone could afford it, they'd market in the best quality publications they could - the ones with the best reputations and product.

Placing ads in better media products lends credence to the advertisers own ads and products - it is an implicit endorsement by inferrence, if unspoken.

For scientology? Fuck that.
posted by loquacious at 9:07 PM on April 3, 2008 [9 favorites]


That's more like it.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:09 PM on April 3, 2008


Ads are ads, and we don't have to click on them if we don't like them.

Or, if the ad is paid on a per-click basis, you could very well click on them if you don't like them.

Just sayin'.
posted by spiderwire at 9:17 PM on April 3, 2008


It is easier to google the name of the evil church, and click on the sponsored links.
posted by Dr. Curare at 9:26 PM on April 3, 2008


I'm also thinking Mr. Steve etcetera is a tincture of evil. The idiocy that spews from his keyboard can't be explained by mere stupidity.

Mr. Steve blah blah blah is a tincture of pure tapioca. His commentary is stupid, but hardly original. He wants badly to stand out, needs it even, but he's not creative or insightful enough. He's given up on conservative forums because he's frustrated that his boring, poorly thought out comments get overshadowed.

Mr. Steve chooses to swim in our pool because there aren't many conservative waves to wash over him and drown him. He's safe here. He'll be heard. He can maintain the fantasy that we all have in junior high school: "No one else thinks the way I do. I'm different. I'm special. I'm smart. Please, tell me that I'm smart."

I'm sure that there are poorly-formed liberals trolling away on LGF and similar conservative forums with equal vigor. Their voices would be lost among like-minded people because they're not intelligent enough to say anything that we haven't heard.
posted by freshwater_pr0n at 9:27 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


"I'm not even sure how to respond to this one. Me? Speechless? Fuck."

A guy at work said to me, "Don't get all loquacious over it," and I wanted to say, "No, I think he lives in San Francisco." But then I realized that he would have no idea what I was talking about with my internerds pals.

Re: Dr. Steve

You guys realize that he's not actually all that conservative, aside from some pro-business leanings, right? I mean, he can get under my skin at points, and I think that he tends to parrot some conservative talking points without really thinking them through, but he's at rightest kind of a moderate.

You guys must not have enough real conservatives around. Or maybe he looks like Hitler from Canada.
posted by klangklangston at 9:37 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


From a Canuck perspective he looks like a dumb goon. Maybe like a Reeeeeform party member from back in the day. Which is to say "conservative" in the same manner MeFi is "liberal", ie. not at all from any worldly perspective.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:45 PM on April 3, 2008


Scientology produces cyclops babies.

Monsanto produces cyclops babies.

Dr. Steve has a cyclops baby butler.

Coincidence?
posted by homunculus at 9:54 PM on April 3, 2008


The idiocy that spews from his keyboard can't be explained by mere stupidity.

The autism suggestion may apply, seriously. Repetitive, clinically aloof thoughtlessness. Something seems missing.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:28 PM on April 3, 2008


Ads are ads, and we don't have to click on them if we don't like them. We Mefites are a smart bunch, and I don't think that any of us are in danger of becoming Scientologists just because we're exposed to the occasional Xenuphilic text ad.

MetaFilter wouldn't exist without the content created by all of us paid users; as a collective group of writers we have a certain amount of credibility that attracts a lot of unpaid users, and those users factor that credibility into their own judgement of the ads they see. We don't want to encourage our unpaid users to follow that ad, even if that encouragement is merely assumed based on the fact that it's hosted here.

So yeah, having ads for Scientology on the site is a Bad Thing(tm).
posted by davejay at 10:35 PM on April 3, 2008


fun with google
posted by Deathalicious at 10:38 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


he looks like Hitler from Canada

Hitler with hockey hair and a kind of Ned Flanders-ish eagerness?
posted by LobsterMitten at 10:44 PM on April 3, 2008


No no no, Deathalicous, this thread is about Mr. Meh Meh Steve Meh Meh Meh of America, not Steven C. Den "Please mark my answer as: Best" e.
posted by Dr. Curare at 10:49 PM on April 3, 2008


Maybe like a Reeeeeform party member from back in the day.

Mr. Steve suffers from severe Western Alienation and opposed Meech Lake?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:51 PM on April 3, 2008


What the fuck does SCDB have to do with anything here? Hell, what does Mr. Steve have to do with it? Maybe they're not the most popular folks on MeFi, but shitting on them in a thread that has nothing to do with either is pathetic.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:54 PM on April 3, 2008 [1 favorite]


Presses post too soon.

I was having dinner with my family in November, and my 6 year old cousin would try to get into every conversation, like this:

Aunt: They doubled the rent for my apartment, I will have to move out.
Cousin: Well, you could always rent some.... POOP! HAHAHAHA!

Sister: Pass me the beer, please.
Cousin: Pass her the PEE, HEHEHEHEH!

His parents are useless at discipline, we tried just ignoring him, but this would only make him repeat his remark even louder. He needed his fix. The best solution was to stare at him for half a second after each remark, just enough to top off his "I am so fucking shocking and original, I am the iconoclast" meter, and keep him busy thinking of his next bomb for ten minutes. After a while the stares became automatic, like saying "bless you" when someone sneezes, and everyone just completely filtered him out.

Last time I saw him, he demanded to be called Mr. President.

I forgot why I was telling you this, sorry if I bored you.
posted by Dr. Curare at 11:00 PM on April 3, 2008 [3 favorites]


You people are a bunch of thetans.
posted by loiseau at 11:02 PM on April 3, 2008


Scientology really is a religion. There's no disputing the fact that they own real estate, and real estate ownership is what distinguishes a religion from a cult.
posted by mullingitover at 11:21 PM on April 3, 2008 [2 favorites]


Mikey-San: when did this threat happen?
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 11:42 PM on April 3, 2008


Fantabulous, check your Me-mail.
posted by Bookhouse at 12:22 AM on April 4, 2008


I just had a paranoid episode.

I imagined that the CoS had a spy sign up to metafilter in the last month or so and make a few comments, waiting to check out how the ads are received here, and troll for private messages related to the infamous comment that shall never be posted in the blue/green/grey again.

Good thing Me-mail has all those disclaimers keeping Metafilter LLC safe from whatever members write in private messages.

This paranoia is what I get from all the all nighters.
posted by Dr. Curare at 1:14 AM on April 4, 2008


What's all this Dr. Steve blather about? Has something been deleted here?
posted by timeistight at 1:16 AM on April 4, 2008


...or did five fresh fish just bring him up just to be a dick?
posted by timeistight at 1:34 AM on April 4, 2008


Ha.

I like being close to loquacious and mpdsea. Billy Pilgrim and Patrick Bateman?
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:50 AM on April 4, 2008


Pat Bateman? From American Psycho?
posted by Mister_A at 3:55 AM on April 4, 2008


I'm kind of concerned with all of this hatin' on Steves. I guess it shouldn't surprise me. I'm used to being SILENCED ALL MY LIFE!
posted by SteveTheRed at 4:13 AM on April 4, 2008 [1 favorite]


Don't worry. With a name like SteveTheRed, you're clearly one of the good Steve's.

The autism suggestion may apply, seriously.

I think it's body thetans, myself. Fortunately, there's a cure for that, linked at the top left of the page.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 4:47 AM on April 4, 2008


Thank Xenu for that, the last thing we need is an attack by Anonymous. Though they do tend to post a lot of asks... Teenagers these days.
posted by Elmore at 4:52 AM on April 4, 2008


Jimbob: "Sure, Metafilter is relatively cheap at $5 for lifetime membership, but it doesn't give you guaranteed eternal salvation or triple your money back, now, does it?"
Wait, what? That's not the way I remember the conversation with the MeFi recruiter going. I'm sure the word salvation was used.

No, hang on, that was salivation. Aren't they pretty much the same thing?
posted by dg at 4:56 AM on April 4, 2008


"their cunt religion" is inappropriate.

this statement slanders cunts everywhere.
posted by quonsar at 5:58 AM on April 4, 2008


I got this question from a student the other day:

"If I start a religion based on pornography, would our advertisements and circulars be protected speech?'

God bless 'em, every one.
posted by anotherpanacea at 6:16 AM on April 4, 2008 [5 favorites]


Pat Bateman? From American Psycho?

He's got nice business cards. Plus, his sister Justine was hot in Family Ties.
posted by inigo2 at 6:34 AM on April 4, 2008


the last thing we need is an attack by Anonymous

Dear Askme:

I'm new to this relationship with a girl I really like, and I'm super happy but I'm also pretty nervous about what the future hold, and I've got a few questions:
- Am I ever going to give her up?
- Let her down?
- What are chances that I'll run around and hurt her?
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:43 AM on April 4, 2008 [21 favorites]


If no one behaved outrageously, you would find new things to be outraged by.
posted by Eideteker at 7:06 AM on April 4, 2008


cortex, you will find that this video by Rick Astley will answer most of your questions.
posted by Meatbomb at 7:12 AM on April 4, 2008


Your link could use some fixin'.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:59 AM on April 4, 2008


When you meet the Xenu on Metafilter, kill the Xenu.
posted by junkbox at 8:04 AM on April 4, 2008


I want to take a different approach to confronting Scientology; I want to start a pro-thetan movement.

Thetans: they keep you company when you are all alone!

"Getting Clear" sends poor innocent thetans to hell!

Thetans protect you from the demons who want to corrupt your soul!


I'll encourage members to adopt anti-abortion tactics and stand outside of known Scientology congregation sites with protest signs like CLEAR = MURDER!

I suspect something like this would lead to much confusion and humor.
posted by quin at 8:04 AM on April 4, 2008 [5 favorites]


their cu-- religion

I hate Scientology as much as next man, but "their cunt religion" is inappropriate.


I took him to mean "cult" religion.
posted by ericb at 1:21 PM on April 4, 2008


I'm pretty sure that the deliberate misinterpration of that was, in fact, the joke.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:32 PM on April 4, 2008 [1 favorite]


Though regardless its an interestingly ambiguous rendering. What did Mister_A intend to convey?

1. cu-- where each hyphen is a one-for-one place holder for an omitted character, as a anonymizing or libel-avoidance convention (e.g. Jane Austen et al)?
2. cu-- as placeholders as in (1), but to signify taboo-avoidance rather than libel dodging (commonly rendered as cu**)?
3. cu-- as a poor man's em dash (cu—), as if cutting himself off mid-word and restarting with a more polite correction (e.g. "he's a motherf— er, he's a real jerk.")?

I could buy any of those; I would guess that (1) and (2) account for the analyses folks have offered so far, with (1) accounting more for "cult" and (2) for "cunt" perhaps. Though I suppose there's no clear way to show that someone was going with (1) rather than (3), from what little we've got to work with so far.

posted by cortex (staff) at 1:45 PM on April 4, 2008 [1 favorite]


Maybe he meant 'cups.' As in, Why is everybody mad about the cups?
posted by ericb at 1:57 PM on April 4, 2008


goddam cups religion
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:00 PM on April 4, 2008


Cute.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:05 PM on April 4, 2008


Cube! Scientology is just a front for 4 corner simultaneous 24 hour Days that occur within a single 4 corner rotation of Earth. Your 1st Day God is void.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:09 PM on April 4, 2008 [3 favorites]


quin, that is inspired. Yes please.

Also: curcubit religion?
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:31 PM on April 4, 2008


I just spoke with a friend and his website was also serving up Scientology ads today.
posted by ericb at 4:01 PM on April 4, 2008


real estate ownership is what distinguishes a religion from a cult

Cults lease their premises/property? I did not know that.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:28 PM on April 4, 2008


[waves dick at timeistight]
posted by five fresh fish at 7:29 PM on April 4, 2008


the last thing we need is an attack by Anonymous

askmoar.metafilter.com
posted by Mikey-San at 8:51 PM on April 4, 2008


Good article: Ex-Scieno Kids spill the beans.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:26 PM on April 24, 2008


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