what is wrong with this picture? January 28, 2002 7:30 PM   Subscribe

W hat is wrong with this picture?
posted by y2karl to Etiquette/Policy at 7:30 PM (49 comments total)

I'm sick of this guy. I'm ashamed of myself for trying to shame him into some sort of civil discourse. If you think this sort of commentary belongs here, I will abide with it from now on. But take a close look.
posted by y2karl at 7:32 PM on January 28, 2002


I say just ignore him. He's either trolling, or unable to be civil.
posted by Doug at 7:38 PM on January 28, 2002


Face it y2karl. I don't share your world outlook. And your stalking is getting a little disturbing. Why don't you just lighten up and tolerate a little diversity of viewpoint.

posted by Real9 at 7:47 PM on January 28, 2002


Not the nicest guy in the world, that's for sure. But he seems to hold to a consistent ideological standard. I think he may have spent some time over amongst the Freepers, and therefore his discussion board etiquette is on a par with what is typically seen there. I doubt calling him out on it will have much effect, but I see your point, y2karl.


posted by Optamystic at 7:48 PM on January 28, 2002


Oops. I don't think it's a question of outlook as much as it is one of style. You're pretty blunt, Real9. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. But you must know that it can rub folks the wrong way.
posted by Optamystic at 7:51 PM on January 28, 2002


y2karl: Double post. The guy's another in a long line of anonymous users who showed up instantly bashing MetaFilter. He's either a reincarnation of someone else or part of some insidious program to infiltrate other sites with FreeRepublic sleeper agents.
posted by rcade at 8:03 PM on January 28, 2002


Optamystic, I've never posted on Freerepublic.com. Though, I do find it an occasionally good search tool. Consider this, what y2karl is working at is the mere political antipode of freerepublic.

posted by Real9 at 8:05 PM on January 28, 2002


y2karl. really. get some sleep. This is my first and only account here.
posted by Real9 at 8:06 PM on January 28, 2002


Ah, beat me to it rcade.

real9 is a realjerk. I'm not sure if it's Matt's policy to smite jerks. Precedent seems to indicate that it's not. In which case, I'll go right on ignoring real9 while he goes right on with getting his panties in a bunch over 'narcissistic liberals'.

UncleFes, revbrian, Steven Den Beste and others seem capable of presenting Conservative viewpoints on MeFi that both respect and contribute to the discussions they participate in. The fact that real9 has chosen not to do so implies, for me, a complete disinterest in the MetaFilter community.

It's one thing to have a differing opinion. It's quite another - as I've said before - to care not at all for (and show no respect to) those you are discussing with.
posted by Marquis at 8:19 PM on January 28, 2002


Ah, rcade, I see what you mean. I've let him get to me.

You know, after his first Chelsea Clinton link, a whole brouhaha opened up over hincandenza's following comment. Things really got nasty then.

"We're all in this together"?

That's the part that gets me--there's a lot of people here on the right end of the spectrum that are civil and reasoned. Lord knows, I probably don't agree with billman on anything and I've already apologized to jfuller for getting on his case here. I can respect them, they actually stand for something and they're wll-mannered on the whole.

Real9?.... It's the whole chickenshit aspect of the anonymous user page and the trollery and near zero positve contributions. The noise to signal ratio is so far aslant. It's like he shows up, throws a grenade in and then pops off. That's his contribution.

OK, I wil ignore him from now on.
posted by y2karl at 8:25 PM on January 28, 2002


But I got him to make a MetaTalk post! I trolled the troll.
posted by y2karl at 8:26 PM on January 28, 2002


or we could just call him ass pimples... that seems to be a universal solution.
posted by machaus at 8:27 PM on January 28, 2002


You can still be an jerk no matter what background/culture/asylum you come from. Diversity in viewpoint? Fine -- just as long as your viewpoint isn't from up your ass. I'm tired of it.
posted by bloggboy at 8:29 PM on January 28, 2002


Wow. I never read the poster's name, so I didn't make the connection. A good percentage of the posts that have bothered me most lately, it turns out, have originated with real9.

Y2karl, I don't think someone for whom slander is such a seemingly integral part of their debate technique really adds much to the "community", and certainly subtracts more than his fair share. Not up to me, but I sure wouldn't bitch if he got booted.

And it's certainly not about the fact that I disagree with him. I disagree with 90% of you. On purpose, sometimes...
posted by Hildago at 8:29 PM on January 28, 2002


" I disagree with 90% of you."

No you don't. :)
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:34 PM on January 28, 2002


Marquis,

Your post seems to imply that conservatives must in a deferential manner (and in small numbers) offer respect to your assumed community of liberals here on Metafilter.

And, let's add your insult "real9 is a realjerk".

I'm not interested in communal nodding. And, if I'm causing cognitive spasms by being direct, good!


posted by Real9 at 8:36 PM on January 28, 2002


Real9 -- I think Marquis' point was not that conservatives have to express their opinions civilly, but that everyone has to.

I also think that you knew that's what he meant, but chose to respond in the most confrontational, least productive way possible, which is exactly the fucking problem.
posted by Hildago at 8:41 PM on January 28, 2002


Not that I'm much of a conspiracy theorist, but the "real" in Real9 is comprehensible. What the F* is the "9" for, if not some kind of incarnation?

This is my first and only account here.

Methinks the man doth protest too much. Diversity of view and foisting assinine content are not that mysterious to discern between. What is the point of trying to be a jackass, Hmmmm? (that would be a question for Real9)

ps - I'm a moderate, so don't waste attempts at liberal-bashing on me. I see you as a jerk, Real9, whether I value your professed views or not.
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:43 PM on January 28, 2002


Real9, your registered email address just bounced on the email I sent you to discuss this. You won't be able to post here for now, but you can feel free to email me with a working address and we'll talk.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 8:45 PM on January 28, 2002


Has anyone entertained the notion that Real9 and fold-and-mutilate might be the same person?
posted by jonmc at 9:06 PM on January 28, 2002


thanks, matt.
posted by moz at 9:10 PM on January 28, 2002


I'm a little aghast here. I've looked at all the posts y2karl linked to by Real9, and although a common theme of obnoxiousness and dismissal of other people's views certainly does become clear, I saw nothing that uncivil or insupportably unpleasant...

I hesitate to think what a careful read through my comments over the past year and a bit, carefully pulling out the anti-Amurrika screeds and drunken misjudgements might reveal.

I like y2karl. We are in touch frequently via email, and I enjoy his presence here. But on this thing, I think we part ways. I don't like Real9 much, and I agree he (or she) can be annoying as hell, but, at least amongst the comments that y2karl linked to, I can't see anything that justifies this here dogpile.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:14 PM on January 28, 2002


Stavros, I think the reason is that ALL of Real9's comments are like that. He is constantly beligerant and abbrassive, and can be very disruptive to discussions. I think this thread was called for.
posted by Doug at 9:21 PM on January 28, 2002


I was thinking when I was out on my walk that maybe someone had developed a passive-aggressive insult generator with a playing the victim response feature and was testing it here. And while I was away.. things happen fast around here. Clinically speaking, I would have liked to have had some history on the guy. Ah, another mystery for the ages...
posted by y2karl at 9:23 PM on January 28, 2002


I wish I could get the posting priveleges of folks I didn't agree with ganked too! wait, no I don't. finger waving at y2karl!
posted by mcsweetie at 9:25 PM on January 28, 2002


Lest we forget, Matt once banned me (temporarily) from posting as well, but heck, I'm still here...

*dodges barrage of rocks and garbage

...after a humble apology for being a moron, and pissing in Matt's pool.

(Real9 : This is a hint.)

posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:32 PM on January 28, 2002


He's either a reincarnation of someone else...

I've been of the opinion for a couple of months now that some of those who are no longer among us are, in fact, among us. But then, I still think they shot down that plane in PA.
posted by jpoulos at 9:45 PM on January 28, 2002


"You are all individuals!"
"Yes, we are all individuals!"

".... I'm not."
posted by dong_resin at 9:49 PM on January 28, 2002


stavros, I'm ambivalent about bringing it up--I've made stupid comments and posts here, too, but the constant baiting got to me. The fine tuning on his comments was the epitome of passive-aggressive--the patronizing tone, the flip flop hypocrisy--sieg heil crack here, invoking Godwin there, the carefully worded verging-on-racial slurs to get a rise out of the 'self-hating liberals'--what was his point overall? That we're all despicable and inferior to his mighty intellect? Point made. It's not like he took a principled stand on anything, said anything about what he most cared about. It's not as though he ever talked about what he liked.

--and (or she)? I really really doubt that...
posted by y2karl at 9:52 PM on January 28, 2002


y2karl, its called the fine art of trolling. I'm sure that whatever little troll club he belongs to got a big kick out of his long stint here. I come here to praise him!

He's not really gone though, all he needs to do is make a dummy mail account somewhere and I can go back to ignoring him.
posted by skallas at 10:00 PM on January 28, 2002


"Self-censoring since 1999"

What is the difference between Real9's perceived bashing of liberals (in many of the posts he was only holding up a mirror and asking you to take a look at yourselves) and the allowable MeFi bashing of religions?

posted by mischief at 5:15 AM on January 29, 2002


I am quite troubled by the amount of bashing that's been taking place lately on MeFi, no matter whether it is political or religious or cultural in nature.
posted by Carol Anne at 5:26 AM on January 29, 2002


Has anyone entertained the notion that Real9 and fold-and-mutilate might be the same person?

Real9 and fold clearly attended the same charm school, but their politics are at polar opposition to each other.

I saw nothing that uncivil or insupportably unpleasant...

I saw a few, though admittedly some of his posts have impressed me. If he would tone down some of the personal invective -- like calling people Nazis and deriding someone for being foreign -- he'd have little trouble fitting in here. Especially if he offered an e-mail address in his profile so people had the option to contact him off the site.
posted by rcade at 5:47 AM on January 29, 2002


MetaFilter - thin skinned & overreacting since 1999

Worse stuff goes on here then what Real9 has done, it just gets ignored (or even appluaded) becuase it fits with the majority viewpoint.
posted by Mick at 7:10 AM on January 29, 2002


Worse stuff goes on here then what Real9 has done, it just gets ignored (or even appluaded) becuase it fits with the majority viewpoint.

Which is why there's such a big fold_and_mutilate fan club on MetaTalk.
posted by snarkout at 7:56 AM on January 29, 2002


Ah, yes, the Grand Metafilter Conspiracy, where Stalinists and anarchists plot The Great Downfall Of Our God-Loving Country through bullying and censorship. You can't be serious, right?

Real9 was snide, superior, offering nothing to the discussion but his particular brand of assholity...what's the point? And if the whole point is just to get people angry...sorry, that's the Puck line, and he was near-useless. (Yes, I am bringing the 3rd season of The Real World into this. Because I can.)

We don't need any self-styled provocateurs who turn out to be just a dick with time to kill. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of political bent.
posted by solistrato at 8:10 AM on January 29, 2002


I think I need to start an sjc fan club... That's what I was going to say, only said better.
posted by SpecialK at 8:17 AM on January 29, 2002


just for the record, this thread will ruin the googlewhack staus of "particular assholity." gee thanks, Real9.
posted by danOstuporStar at 8:33 AM on January 29, 2002


Give me a break Mick (et al): please share with me the identity of one of those performers of "worse stuff" who "fits with the majority viewpoint", and who has been "ignored". (Yes you have to give several examples and yes they need to have shown a consistent disrespect for their peers here. [Or, in other words, they have to be a jerk.])
posted by Marquis at 9:09 AM on January 29, 2002


I almost posted here about that frightening nationalist comment myself. Thanks y2k.
posted by sudama at 9:42 AM on January 29, 2002


Not that I'm much of a conspiracy theorist, but the "real" in Real9 is comprehensible. What the F* is the "9" for, if not some kind of incarnation?

That's not fair. Maybe it's a joke. Some people relate (real8). Others real9?
posted by croutonsupafreak at 10:12 AM on January 29, 2002


And if you look at Matt's comment. Real9 didn't lose posting priviledges because of what he said, but because of a bogus email address. It's not a question of what he said, but a question of being accountable for it.
posted by Apoch at 1:50 PM on January 29, 2002


I like this bit:

--"I'm not interested in communal nodding. And, if I'm causing cognitive spasms by being direct, good!"

I think we all owe real9 a real debt of gratitude for showing us what it is to be direct, considering what a bunch of beat around the bushers most of us are. Thank you, real9, thank you.

(sound of applause, cheering, children laughing, etc.)

posted by Ty Webb at 2:35 PM on January 29, 2002


Diversity in viewpoint? Fine -- just as long as your viewpoint isn't from up your ass.

ROTFL I love it! Now THERE'S a t-shirt.

Anyway...I find it fascinating that certain people (and it usually seems to be the most politically polar and biased posters) seem to rate the "diversity" quotient of MeFi MUCH lower than I would. I'm curious...how many think Metafilter is heavily weighted left/right? And, if you do, what can you offer to support this belief?
posted by rushmc at 5:39 PM on January 29, 2002


Well, there is this outside opinion...
posted by y2karl at 5:51 PM on January 29, 2002


And I should not need to point out the link above means all you 'hate filled turds' who commented in that thread now have your user profiles available to readers of the Free Republic--I found it by running MetaFilter in their search engine. It was the only hit: I was curious, so I ran it. I blame Optamystic, in any case.
posted by y2karl at 8:26 PM on January 29, 2002


I noted this in the thread karl links to as well, but isn't it beyond fair use for them to mirror the entire page there? I mean, considering 'All posts are © their original authors' and all, as below.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:31 PM on January 29, 2002


y2karl, don't ever, ever EVER send me to the Freeps again!

[sitting in the shower, scrubbing skin raw] It won't come off. Oh, why won't it come off!
posted by jpoulos at 8:34 PM on January 29, 2002


Well, I wrap myself in Saran Wrap first. And then I feel so... sexy.
posted by y2karl at 8:48 PM on January 29, 2002


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