I just noticed a text ad for Suicide Girls April 3, 2002 9:15 AM   Subscribe

I just noticed a text ad for Suicide Girls, a porn site (albeit nicely designed one with a blog), on the front page. What's the policy on porn ads? Should there be one, and if so are we being too puritanical?
posted by me3dia to Etiquette/Policy at 9:15 AM (224 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

read previous discussion here
posted by Dean King at 9:20 AM on April 3, 2002


Covered here when the ad first showed up, (but there's no reason the discussion couldn't continue here).
posted by alan at 9:20 AM on April 3, 2002


Previously discussed here.
posted by mcwetboy at 9:20 AM on April 3, 2002


OK, I guess I missed that. Question answered -- Matt, go ahead and delete me.
posted by me3dia at 9:23 AM on April 3, 2002


wow, in triplicate.
posted by eyeballkid at 9:24 AM on April 3, 2002


I still wish Matt wouldn't advertise porn on his site.
posted by bunnyfire at 9:32 AM on April 3, 2002


I want to push for some intelligent gay porn site to buy a text ad, like for instance the great Nightcharm [not worksafe, but neither is suicide chicks or whatever it's called].

Just for balance.
posted by evanizer at 9:41 AM on April 3, 2002


I agree, evanizer. Let's pool our money and tip the p0rn balance.
posted by FreezBoy at 9:47 AM on April 3, 2002


I still wish Matt wouldn't advertise porn on his site.

His choice. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. It's not a graphic ad. It involves actually clicking past the ad and the site's intro before there is any nudity.

posted by eyeballkid at 10:09 AM on April 3, 2002


well, I wonder how the other women on Metafilter feel about it. I know how it offends me on several levels-not just the "religious" one.
posted by bunnyfire at 10:38 AM on April 3, 2002


<stepping into it>If we got rid of everything that might possibly offend someone, the world would be a very tiny place.<stepping out of it>
posted by ook at 10:51 AM on April 3, 2002


evanizer, you know, SG is actually fairly bisexual in orientation; they even claim that the majority of their subscribers are female. I'm not sure what your qualifications are for "intelligent porn," but I'm betting that if you actually checked it out, you'd think that SG qualifies.

bunnyfire, you can easily satisfy your curiosity by clicking any one of the links made above to the previous thread, where various MeFi women did comment.

ABC recently did a show on porn that includes some stuff on SG in particular.
posted by bingo at 10:56 AM on April 3, 2002


This was already discussed, and answered. But... I advise those who are already "offended" to visit the site. Its not your regular porn site, and you won't see anything until you pay. I am in any way affiliated with, or a regular visitor of, this site! But I think they're harmless.
posted by xammerboy at 11:00 AM on April 3, 2002


That should read I am "NOT".
posted by xammerboy at 11:00 AM on April 3, 2002


I know that metafilter is in need of even more jargon, but I think what happened at the top of this thread should be heretofor known as a "triple double"
posted by zpousman at 11:13 AM on April 3, 2002


well, I wonder how the other women on Metafilter feel about it.

I am a woman on MetaFilter. I like porn. I like the Suicide Girls website. I do not consider Suicide Girls necessarily just a subset of the "porn" genre. I also think that, realistically considering that we can't make bad porn not exist, having good porn like SG is a step in the right direction. The ads are fine with me, I like them.
posted by jessamyn at 11:15 AM on April 3, 2002


As a woman, and a religious woman at that (Roman Catholic)... I don't care. It looks like they're adults, so they're responsible for any misbehavior. What the site is about is pretty evident on the entry page.

Actually, I'm more offended by the bad coding of the site - it's such a mess on my Netscape, and some of the pics for links aren't even loading. Heck, those off-pink keywords on the entry page are pissing me off too. Were they supposed to be invisible? As a female, I'm pissed off that something that's trying to sell itself as professional is so shoddily done. Dammit, they did it on a Mac, =I'm= on a Mac, and I can't even make any sense of their second page! The outrage!
posted by meep at 11:18 AM on April 3, 2002


I think Suicide Girls even made it to Ted Koppel's Nightline. How porno can they be?
posted by Voyageman at 11:26 AM on April 3, 2002


and what's with the name of the site, anyhow? "Suicide Girls"? Pardon me if that just kinda curdles my stomach even more.... What's death got to do with it?
posted by bunnyfire at 11:26 AM on April 3, 2002


I am also female! I consider it a privilege to come to Matt's site. Whatever he wants to do is fine by me. Like already stated, you have to click on it to see anything anyway. Normally wouldn't even comment on it since it is a SECOND POST but someone asked what the women of metafilter thought, so here it is. Oh--and before anyone asks, I am religious and heterosexual.
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 11:27 AM on April 3, 2002


meep: It's a beautifully designed site, for browsers that support modern standards. Netscape does not. Try IE 5 or a recent version of Mozilla.
posted by rusty at 11:30 AM on April 3, 2002


zpousman: "triple double" it is then!
posted by eyeballkid at 11:31 AM on April 3, 2002


I'm offended that people still use Netscape.
posted by crunchland at 11:36 AM on April 3, 2002


heretofor known as a "triple double"

I agree, and I think style points should be awarded. I like alan's presentation, but points have to be deducted for the unnecessary comma (god, that's the third time in less than 24 hours that I've mentioned commas). Dean King was going for the minimalist look (no caps or punctuation), which I can appreciate. Overall I have to say I prefer mcwetboy's presentation, though. Brief, yet well linked, and with such thriftiness of text! Very impressive triple double.

PS - Oh yes - the ad. I'm female and I thought the site was well done, what I saw of it. I never felt qualified to comment on it since this is not my site and I'm a guest here - I can leave anytime I like. I don't think Matt really gives a damn about my opinion on this, since he's already made up his mind and he neglected to consult me beforehand, as he is wont to do. If he ever visited a site of mine and then objected to my content I would have to tell him to go play in some nice, heavy traffic. So I have to afford him the same niceties and considerations that I expect myself (upon preview, I should just say I second what runswithbandagescissors said).
posted by iconomy at 11:36 AM on April 3, 2002


No, zpousman and eyeballkid - that's too clear and we can't have that. What it it is a STDPN: a simultaneous triple double post notification. And you could add NC(for non-confrontational)if you really wanted to unleash Matt's wrath. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:40 AM on April 3, 2002


Netscape does not.

Netscape 4 has poor support for modern standards, but Netscape 6 is much better. If the site looks bad in Netscape 6, they've done a bad job. If it looks bad in Netscape 4, they've probably decided the workarounds and hacks aren't worth it.

posted by kirkaracha at 11:43 AM on April 3, 2002


Smurfy, isn't it?
posted by iconomy at 11:45 AM on April 3, 2002


Crikey, iconomy's female. I know this is old-fashioned of me, but I'm sorry if my banter with you has been too chummy for comfort. And calling you "Ike", too! I'll be more deferential from now on. Thanks for not pointing it out. ;)

*retreats in shame, choking on hankerchief*
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:46 AM on April 3, 2002


bunnyfire, read my responses in the old thread (first one is here) to hear the considerations I made in deciding to take this ad.

The summary: I did consult several women before considering whether or not to accept the ad, the ad copy was rewritten to make it perfectly clear what you would see after clicking on it, and since it's on the "good" side of the softcore porn site universe (being pro-girl, having a positive attitude about sex (it's fun and not something bad or dirty), the photos aren't super exploitative, etc) it is worth highlighting.

Also, if you disagree, you never have to click on the link, and I'll still continue to benefit from their support of the site.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:48 AM on April 3, 2002


I like Ike.

Hmm I think that was a presidential slogan in the '50's. If it wasn't it damn well should have been! Miguel, you can get chummy anytime. Deferential is not all it's cracked up to be. What charms me the most about your previous comment is that you actually have a handkerchief!
posted by iconomy at 11:55 AM on April 3, 2002


"evanizer, you know, SG is actually fairly bisexual in orientation; they even claim that the majority of their subscribers are female. I'm not sure what your qualifications are for "intelligent porn," but I'm betting that if you actually checked it out, you'd think that SG qualifies."

OK, what I mean is I WANT PICTURES OF NAKED BOYS when I click on a pr0n site. Dandy that the goth princesses are 'bi' (like every goth princess I ever knew in high school claimed she was), but I want a site with NAKED LADS, if for no other reason than to prove that MeFi is an equal opportunity objectifier. Plus I like looking at NAKED FELLAS, OK?

;-P
posted by evanizer at 12:03 PM on April 3, 2002


What's death got to do with it?

What's death got to do, got to do with it?
What's death, but a second hand emotion?

What's death got to do, got to do with it?
Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?
posted by iceberg273 at 12:06 PM on April 3, 2002


Crunchland: I'm offended that you're offended.
posted by ook at 12:06 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm a woman, and I think SuicideGirls is great. Kickass, even. Probably that's just my new crush talking though.

Personally, I'm far more put off by proselytizing creationist Christians than by a bunch of coyly nude women decked out in Manic Panic and piercings---but isn't it nice that Matt runs his lovely site in such a way that there is something for all of us?

I never fail to be irked beyond reason by the ridiculous ease of the jump whereby people go from "I don't like x" to "I think x should not be allowed."
posted by Sapphireblue at 12:07 PM on April 3, 2002


and what's with the name of the site, anyhow? "Suicide Girls"? Pardon me if that just kinda curdles my stomach even more....
they named it that just for you
posted by Dean King at 12:07 PM on April 3, 2002


bunnyfire: "suicide" is a reference to the goth subculture. Setting aside the fact that we wouldn't have to have sex if we didn't also have to die, the whole sex/death eroticism thing has been explored in over a hundred years of vampire-related fiction, a strong influence on goth culture. You can read about goth in relation to Christianity here. Also good is Sarah Vowell's NPR goth excursion, which you can listen to here.
posted by bingo at 12:11 PM on April 3, 2002


Huzzah, Sapphireblue.

Sisters are doin' it for themselves.

(sorry. I had an 80s moment.)
posted by ltracey at 12:12 PM on April 3, 2002


There's a cool article in this week's Portland Tribune that gives some background on Suicide Girls, with views from people both behind the scenes and on display. It's work friendly and informative for anyone who'd like to learn more without clicking something not work appropriate or contributing to the rankings of a site they might not support.

I haven't actually looked at the site yet (ahem, work), but from what I read in the article you can peg me as a woman who's comfortable with the Suicide Girls. They seem cool, actually.
posted by croutonsupafreak at 12:17 PM on April 3, 2002


I dunno, the whole thing kind of weirds me out, but it's totally Matt's prerogative, and it wouldn't drive me away from MeFi.

And what the hell does 'coyly nude' mean? How is full frontal nudity 'coy'? Fill me in, I must be missing something
posted by insomnyuk at 12:20 PM on April 3, 2002


So now when I hear Ice-Cube rap "messed around and got a triple-double" I will forever think of MetaFilter...
posted by internal at 12:22 PM on April 3, 2002


And what the hell does 'coyly nude' mean? How is full frontal nudity 'coy'? Fill me in, I must be missing something

Yes, what you're missing is the content of the site. Very little of it is full-frontal nudity, either.
posted by bingo at 12:27 PM on April 3, 2002


btw, I'd like my next triple double with super-size fries (combo #3)
posted by Dean King at 12:33 PM on April 3, 2002


what the hell does 'coyly nude' mean

to the best of my knowledge, it means you are not guaranteed a nipple or a bush in every shot.

"I surf Suicide Girls so you don't have to!"
posted by jessamyn at 12:44 PM on April 3, 2002


Just to clarify my perspective on this, I really have little problem with the site being advertised. I was mainly curious as to the policy, and had I seen the earlier thread I wouldn't have posted my question.

I'm now slightly embarrassed to have my name on this thread.
posted by me3dia at 12:49 PM on April 3, 2002


Well, Matt, it's really the first thing I've ever seen you do I didn't approve of.
(considering my history, that is saying something.)
But, it's your sandbox. Just be glad I'm not your mother. ;-)
posted by bunnyfire at 12:52 PM on April 3, 2002


aayyaiyaiyaiyai.......
posted by bittennails at 12:57 PM on April 3, 2002


I like my pr0n a wee bit filthier than this :(

Although I might be somewhat mollified if someone in the know sent me a hack u/p :)
posted by UncleFes at 1:08 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm now slightly embarrassed to have my name on this thread.

Don't be, me3dia. It's historic. It's a triple-double that not only withstood the initial onslaught but was authenticated by a comment from mathowie himself. So it's the first porn-oriented surviving triple-notificated and owner-authorized double post on MeTa...ever! ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:10 PM on April 3, 2002


plus they have really cool clothes. which i will buy when i manage to defeat (or at least mildly cripple) the credit card monsters.

suicide girls, that is.
posted by fishfucker at 1:10 PM on April 3, 2002


So it's the first porn-oriented surviving triple-notificated and owner-authorized double post on MeTa...ever!

I think I'm going to have a Halle Berry moment.

It passed.
posted by UncleFes at 1:13 PM on April 3, 2002


Thanks Miguel, I'll take that to heart, dubious honor that it is.

I am surprised it survived, though, especially after that triple-double. I thought it was a goner, obviously.
posted by me3dia at 1:13 PM on April 3, 2002


Wow there are a lot of chicks here.

(duck)(cover)(grin)

Um, hey - what is it about porn that is bad, anyway?

(other than that bad porn funded by drugs and pimps and bad people) What if the people making the porn really, really enjoy it? And aren't/haven't ever been forced into it?

If my wife takes naked pictures of herself and gives them to me, are they porn?

Is (good) porn celebrating the human body and it's natural sexuallity, or is it promoting promiscuity through sexually charged images?


posted by rich at 1:17 PM on April 3, 2002


Personally, I'm far more put off by proselytizing creationist Christians

Saphire Blue
I love you
you speak for me
too!
posted by goneill at 1:18 PM on April 3, 2002


Porn is evil! Sinners!
posted by eyeballkid at 1:30 PM on April 3, 2002


(of course, I kid)
posted by eyeballkid at 1:31 PM on April 3, 2002


Rich, your wife and you can take all the pics you want of each other- it ain't porn till you put em on a website and let the rest of us have a peep.
posted by bunnyfire at 1:34 PM on April 3, 2002


This is all fine and dandy but WHERE ARE THE NAKED BOYS???
posted by evanizer at 1:35 PM on April 3, 2002


That suicide girls thing is okay, I guess, but I like more car batteries and duct tape in my porn.
posted by dong_resin at 1:38 PM on April 3, 2002


That suicide girls thing is okay, I guess, but I like more car batteries and duct tape in my porn.
posted by dong_resin at 1:39 PM on April 3, 2002


And while I am at it I am going to feel just fine about having the minority opinion that sexuality is just peachy in the marriage bed but belongs there and nowhere else.

I am secure in my belief regarding the awesomeness and sacredness of sexuality. I am mightily tempted to let go an immense raspberry in the direction of the rest of you but that wouldn't be very Christian of me so I won't. Just don't stick me in the prude box cause i don't fit there either.
posted by bunnyfire at 1:39 PM on April 3, 2002


This is all fine and dandy but WHERE ARE THE NAKED BOYS???

Oh quit whining and do something about it. I'm sure you could make some bucks from a Men of MetaFilter calendar. Maybe you can get Matt to be Mr. July.
posted by anapestic at 1:40 PM on April 3, 2002


rich: Is (good) porn celebrating the human body and its natural sexuality, or is it promoting promiscuity through sexually charged images?

Yes. And your point is?

iconomy: Overall I have to say I prefer mcwetboy's presentation, though. Brief, yet well linked, and with such thriftiness of text! Very impressive triple double.

Aw shucks. :) Is this where I do a Halle Berry? (Too bad I didn't see the Oscars for source material.) 62 comments on a thread that I thought was gonna get axed; yow.
posted by mcwetboy at 1:49 PM on April 3, 2002


(Well, so much for trying internal links without full URLS.)
posted by mcwetboy at 1:50 PM on April 3, 2002


Anapestic--sounds "Smurfilicious". I'd buy one . . . Maybe Matt could package with the t-shirts??
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 1:53 PM on April 3, 2002


30 minutes in the prude box for evanizer for conduct unbe-coming a horn-dog.

10 minutes in there with him for bunnyfire for using the words "sexuality" and "peachy" in the same sentence without being facetious.
posted by UncleFes at 1:53 PM on April 3, 2002


Q: What's the most noticeable aspect of the prude box?

A: The way the back door slams shut.

Bwa!

OK, I'll stop.
posted by UncleFes at 1:57 PM on April 3, 2002


I am mightily tempted to let go an immense raspberry in the direction of the rest of you but that wouldn't be very Christian of me so I won't.

Are we still in bunnyfire's grace period or can I say "PLEASE JUST SHUT UP" yet?
posted by rodii at 2:23 PM on April 3, 2002


rodii: i don't believe a grace period was needed.
posted by eyeballkid at 2:27 PM on April 3, 2002


Well, rodii, just for you, hon: :-p
posted by bunnyfire at 2:35 PM on April 3, 2002


"sexuality is just peachy in the marriage bed but belongs there and nowhere else."

So, does this mean the living-room sofa is out-of-bounds, or what?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:38 PM on April 3, 2002


I am mightily tempted to let go an immense raspberry in the direction of the rest of you but that wouldn't be very Christian of me so I won't.

Isn't this sentence the verbal equivalent of "an immense raspberry"?
posted by daveadams at 2:39 PM on April 3, 2002


So, if Jesus is with us always, does that mean that Jesus is hanging out with the Suicide Girls during their photo shoots?
posted by Danelope at 2:39 PM on April 3, 2002


no danelope, women are dirty.
posted by goneill at 2:40 PM on April 3, 2002


But it says "always"...
posted by Danelope at 2:41 PM on April 3, 2002


Hey bunny: I don't understand why you felt the need to defend yourself when nothing untoward has been said. This has been a very polite, somewhat sedate discussion. Just curious.

Oh, yeah - put me down as another meta female who doesn't see anything wrong with the suicide girls.
posted by xena at 2:41 PM on April 3, 2002


Hey bunny: I don't understand why you felt the need to defend yourself when nothing untoward has been said.

If you're familiar with her track record, you'll understand. Here we go again....
posted by Karl at 2:49 PM on April 3, 2002


goneill:
Dirty ....and... evil, let's not forget evil.

posted by patrickje at 2:50 PM on April 3, 2002


Xena, just a combination of preemptive strike and feeling rather full of beans today... the problem with this medium of communication is nobody can see the big grin on my face as I am typing....and today I am grinning quite a bit.
I am rather used to having a minority viewpoint at the 'filter. The majority is not quite as used to it, but they will be.

posted by bunnyfire at 2:50 PM on April 3, 2002


Maybe you can get Matt to be Mr. July.
anapestic - Matt strikes me as more of a Mr. September. You know, in like a Back to School motif. I think it's the glasses.
posted by FreezBoy at 2:54 PM on April 3, 2002


bunnyfire, no offense, but lighten the fuck up.

if you don't like it, don't get involved.

the problem's with you, not them.

they're just having a good time. nothing wrong with that.
posted by jcterminal at 2:56 PM on April 3, 2002


bunnyfire, no offense, but lighten the fuck up.

if you don't like it, don't get involved.

the problem's with you, not them.

they're just having a good time. nothing wrong with that.
posted by jcterminal at 2:56 PM on April 3, 2002


Don't make him say it again.
posted by iceberg273 at 2:57 PM on April 3, 2002


I am rather used to having a minority viewpoint at the 'filter. The majority is not quite as used to it, but they will be.

What, after you ram it down their throat thread after thread after thread?
posted by Neale at 2:58 PM on April 3, 2002


i really don't feel guilty about that double post. i think it might have needed to be said twice.
posted by jcterminal at 2:58 PM on April 3, 2002


oddly enough, jcterminal, I believe that your hiccup was quite appropriate.
posted by BlueTrain at 2:59 PM on April 3, 2002


divine intervention.
posted by goneill at 3:03 PM on April 3, 2002


"sexuality is just peachy in the marriage bed but belongs there and nowhere else."

So, does this mean the living-room sofa is out-of-bounds, or what?


crash gets my vote for comment o' the day.
posted by Ufez Jones at 3:03 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm a woman, and I don't have a problem with it. Ask me again if somebody decides to advertise for hardcore teenaged bondage sluts and donkeys.

In fact, the only problem I have right now is wondering about the etiquette of buying a tasteful ad for Nightcharm. Y'know, just for parity. *cough*
posted by headspace at 3:07 PM on April 3, 2002


hardcore teenaged bondage sluts and donkeys

Damn. Back to the drawing board for me I suppose...
posted by owillis at 3:14 PM on April 3, 2002


Q: What's the most noticeable aspect of the prude box?

A: The way the back door slams shut.


can't... stop... laughing...
posted by scribblative at 3:22 PM on April 3, 2002


I'll just add to the rest of the voices of women who don't have a problem with Suicide Girls. In fact, as Matt said in the earlier thread, these type of pictures are quite refreshing as opposed to the Playboy-esque-make-upped to-death-fake-tan-blonde wonders that are normally on typical porn sites.

And I'm a sucker for geek girls, myself.
posted by Zosia Blue at 3:25 PM on April 3, 2002


don't argue back, bunny. you made your point. play nice.
posted by adampsyche at 3:35 PM on April 3, 2002


Gosh I think this is Matt's subtle way of getting us to click on the text ads. Up to now, I've never even given then any notice.

Having said that and having done some fast purusing, there is a wholesomeness to their enterprise that I find cute.
posted by Danf at 3:58 PM on April 3, 2002


quite refreshing as opposed to the Playboy-esque-make-upped to-death-fake-tan-blonde wonders that are normally on typical porn sites.

Yeah, there's that. But what really makes this "not porn" for me is that---as far as I can tell---not one of the Hot Girl On Girl Action pix features inch-and-a-half-long fingernails on the Fantasy Lesbians.

*cough*
posted by Sapphireblue at 4:24 PM on April 3, 2002


You know, bunnyfire, we're really not interested in how your obnoxiousness makes you feel.
posted by NortonDC at 4:45 PM on April 3, 2002


The Suicide Girls site seems pretty mild to me (as far as pictures of nekkid women go: no, I wouldn't browse the site at work). Just in case we don't have quorum yet, I'll add that as a woman, I'm not offended by the presence of this ad at MetaFilter.

inch-and-a-half-long fingernails on the Fantasy Lesbians

OK, now I'm officially squicked.
posted by maudlin at 4:54 PM on April 3, 2002


" 'Squick' is also used as a synonym for 'being pushed beyond ones limits' in a.s.b. Therefore you'll sometimes experience people using the word (i.e.: "That article really squicked me") "

*cough*
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:58 PM on April 3, 2002


I am rather used to having a minority viewpoint at the 'filter. The majority is not quite as used to it, but they will be.

I'd say most users on Metafilter are quite used to your point of view.
posted by daveadams at 4:58 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm sure you could make some bucks from a Men of MetaFilter calendar. Maybe you can get Matt to be Mr. July.

*Fires up photoshop. Pauses. Thinks better of it.*

posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:02 PM on April 3, 2002


On the etymology of "squicked": I don't remember reading a.s.b much, but I did follow rec.arts.bodyart for quite a while and that's where I picked it up. The r.a.b FAQ defines it as "To gross out, feel revulsion". (And I'm not going to quote the rest of the definition because I'd be meta-squicking myself).


posted by maudlin at 5:08 PM on April 3, 2002


As a public service, I would not recommend searching too far into the etymology of "squicking." You need to know what it is like you need a hole in the head.
posted by j.edwards at 5:16 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm sure you could make some bucks from a Men of MetaFilter calendar.

Here's year one.
posted by adampsyche at 5:22 PM on April 3, 2002


god i'm hot
posted by eyeballkid at 5:33 PM on April 3, 2002


You need to know what it is like you need a hole in the head

Goes around, comes around.
posted by gleuschk at 5:39 PM on April 3, 2002


i'm with jessamyn and michelle!

when did every naked body become porn? we'll be covering more statues before we know it. bah!
posted by heather at 5:47 PM on April 3, 2002


I'm sure you could make some bucks from a Men of MetaFilter calendar.

I call December
posted by insomnyuk at 5:57 PM on April 3, 2002


when did every naked body become porn?

Why isn't Suicide Girls "porn"? The dictionary says pornography is "Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal." Not all of this is sexually explicit, but either is Playboy. The only difference I see between something like Suicide Girls and something like Playboy is that the former has got a well-designed site, has somehow captured some cachet of 'hip', and that doesn't airbrush its models. Is airbrushing the only thing that divides objectifying, exploitative pornography from lovely erotic photographs of empowered women?

Of course, the "porn" thing is a matter of semantics. I imagine most people here agree that Suicide Girls is pornography, even if they think it's "good" pornography. My questions stand, however - what makes this good pornography, measured against something like Playboy? I agree that the ilk of Hustler and Spread Sirens has a negative impact, but even more softcore pornography tends to be painted with much the same brush.
posted by Marquis at 6:25 PM on April 3, 2002


Add me to list of women here not offended by SG. Not much does any more, you get old you get over it.
posted by bjgeiger at 6:45 PM on April 3, 2002


I have to say that I think bunnyfire is way too easy a target, guys, especially considering she practically painted a bulls-eye on herself up there. I mean, I enjoy a good tar and feathering as much as the next guy, but I wonder if there's any possibility you could save your slings and arrows for something a bit more sporting?
posted by crunchland at 7:15 PM on April 3, 2002


The disparaging comments I've seen here so far on the kind of porn featuring tanned, clawed, ultra-blonde, and implanted women seem to reflect aesthetic offense more than moral indignation.

Now the line between tacky and offensive can get blurred sometimes. Here in Ontario, a lawyer was rebuked by a female judge for dressing improperly in court. The photo in this story is a bit small, but I think most people would find her clothes perfectly appropriate for court. But when I saw this lawyer interviewed on TV this weekend, what struck me about her was her resemblance to a couple of other Canadian women: Marlen Cowpland and Pamela Anderson. (Hey, you know what Pam looks like, so I won't throw in a gratuitous link to a hot JPEG).

What the lawyer, Marlen, Pam and many standard porn models share is a look that features teased blonde hair and the combination of pale pink or beige lipstick combined with a much darker lip-liner. This is a look generally not chosen by most middle class professional women or by goth-punk girls.

This might be one reason why the Ontario judge reacted reacted poorly (and very inappropriately, I must emphasize) to the lawyer's physical appearance. I suspect that exactly the same clothing on an attractive young brunette with sedate hair and monotone lipstick would not have drawn her attention or wrath.

(And just because you've been so patient to read this much, here's a really nice pic of Pam. Her hair looks much more relaxed, her makeup is unobtrusive, and the black leather dress is flattering. She really is very pretty when she doesn't use all of her usual props).
posted by maudlin at 7:19 PM on April 3, 2002


I think the site is not only not offensive, but pretty sexy. I've always had a thing for punks/goths and I very much enjoyed getting to see this. And yes, I'm female.

It's nice getting to see people who look like they aren't ashamed of their bodies even when they're doing something that most people might find embarressing. I've always thought it took courage to look unusual or be unusual, and they're wonderful examples.

And yes, this is indeed porn. Now the question is: Is there anything wrong with porn? I don't think so, so long as it's not illegal. However, wrong or not, I don't like all types of porn, and this is high-quality stuff.
posted by stoneegg21 at 7:30 PM on April 3, 2002


And the best thing is, it won't stain your socks.
posted by Opus Dark at 7:33 PM on April 3, 2002


I enjoy a good tar and feathering as much as the next guy, but I wonder if there's any possibility you could save your slings and arrows for something a bit more sporting?

Settle?
posted by rodii at 8:01 PM on April 3, 2002


I enjoy a good tar and feathering as much as the next guy, but I wonder if there's any possibility you could save your slings and arrows for something a bit more sporting?

rodii:Settle?


I'll get the tar, you start plucking....
posted by jonmc at 8:16 PM on April 3, 2002


My questions stand, however - what makes this good pornography, measured against something like Playboy?

You're picking a pretty tame foil for comparison there...in fact, the Suicide Girls did some kind of event with Playboy recently, to be broadcast on PlayboyTV at some as-yet-undisclosed time. Discussion on the SG boards here. If you're a member, you can see a photo set of them hanging out together on their "playboy weekend," whatever that means, but I can't find the page.

I'm sure you could make some bucks from a Men of MetaFilter calendar.

What about the all-too-obvious corollary?

posted by bingo at 8:48 PM on April 3, 2002


I am rather used to having a minority viewpoint at the 'filter. The majority is not quite as used to it...

Isn't this impossible? I mean, is she saying the majority isn't used to being the minority, but it will be? Or is she saying, the majority isn't used to her being the minority, but it will be? Either way, it's applesauce.
posted by bingo at 8:54 PM on April 3, 2002


Christ-on-a-Harley, two 100+ threads on the same goth porn site ad! God, it's not like there's a shortage of this kind of material out there. I can think of several "alternative porn" sites and news groups without even trying. I dig naked people as much as anyone, and I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but can we talk about something besides porn, please?
posted by jonmc at 8:55 PM on April 3, 2002


It's nice getting to see people who look like they aren't ashamed of their bodies even when they're doing something that most people might find embarressing. I've always thought it took courage to look unusual or be unusual, and they're wonderful examples.

Why is it some sort of amazing leap for personkind when women who already fit the societal standard for near-physical perfection suddenly get the "courage" to take their clothes off? I'm fine with them doing it, but the reason most people would "find it embarrassing" is because they've had it banged into their skulls every day since puberty that they are too physically unacceptable to show off any of their bodies in public. VERY few of these SG women look like they've ever had that bigotry thrown at them.
posted by aaron at 9:00 PM on April 3, 2002


As an interesting side note, I'm starting to see SuicideGirls stickers all over Portland, OR.

And the internet is really about two things: Porn, and Kittens.
posted by SpecialK at 9:01 PM on April 3, 2002


and Wil Wheaton.
posted by Marquis at 9:10 PM on April 3, 2002


And the internet is really about two things: Porn, and Kittens.

Ah. Right.

Plenty of pussy here! Meet our trio of sweet young things with darting pink tongues. Pet them! Pet them NOW!
posted by maudlin at 9:12 PM on April 3, 2002


Well, Matt, it's really the first thing I've ever seen you do I didn't approve of.
(considering my history, that is saying something.)
But, it's your sandbox. Just be glad I'm not your mother. ;-)


bunnyfire--
Ya know, this is exatly the type of thing that makes people disapprove of your religion, your ethics, whatever. The general concensus is that personal choice is just that -- and how dare you slap your personal choice on others. Whether you are grinning or not, the fact that you are using your own value system to publicly denigrate others is pretty disgusting. Just because you think bodies should be married before naked is no good reason for you to look down on those who masturbate to pale girls in pleather. It stinks of a moral highground that no one wishes to be near, making this a place uncomfortable for all of us.

In other words . . . I don't tell you and your husband to have dangerous kinky sex with couples you met on the 'net; therefore, please refrain from insisting that I, and everyone else on MetaFilter, would be better off if we kept our dicks in our pants till marriage.

Thanks.
posted by dogmatic at 9:13 PM on April 3, 2002


dogmatic - We all have been known to be voice personal beliefs and philosophies here, and bunnyfire has as much right to speak her mind as any of us.And while I don't agree with her on a whole lot, I do thinks she's courageous for voicing her beliefs where she is as she said "the minority opinion." You want to disagree with her, fine, but there's not need to be crude about it.
posted by jonmc at 9:24 PM on April 3, 2002


Why is it some sort of amazing leap for personkind when women who already fit the societal standard for near-physical perfection suddenly get the "courage" to take their clothes off?

Dude, aaron, before you turn this into another "damn the fat people" thread, the girls on the site are far from "societal standards for near-physical perfection."

There are tatoos, big ugly ones in some cases, and peircings, big ugly ones in many cases. There are a few women with raging underarm hair (which I usually find revolting, I still have some growing to do I suppose), there is cellulite and there are tummies on these women. Most every woman on the site fits some sort of societal outcast image, and their physical bodies reflect that. There is an air of confidence and self-esteem despite any of the physical appearances, and I think that's what people are really responding to when calling this stuff alterna-sexy.

Aaron, whatever your size is, if you started posing nude somewhere with a "fuck you" attitude that exuded into the images, making everyone that saw them damn sure you were comfortable with yourself, I'm sure we'd be impressed and say the same thing about what a refreshing viewpoint it is to buck the embarrasing situations and just go with it.


Oh and one small thing for bunnyfire: isn't there something in the bible about turning the other cheek? If you don't agree with these heathens flaunting their bodies, not sitting like ladies, and letting anyone see their naughty bits, start turning a cheek and let them be, and everyone else that supports them be. Thanks.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:25 PM on April 3, 2002


dogmatic - We all have been known to be voice personal beliefs and philosophies here, and bunnyfire has as much right to speak her mind as any of us.

It's one thing to speak your mind -- it's another to force your value system on others. Had she merely disagreed, I wouldn't have said anything. However, it's pretty clear that bunnyfire disagrees not with the opinions of others, but with the way others choose to live their lives.

My argument is simply that it's not really her place to do so, even if she were Matt's -- or anyone else's -- mother. No one's telling her to live by our standards, as far as I can tell . . . She is free to screw, marry, or divorce at will depending on her own fancy. I merely wish to have the same respect given to my own personal decisions, and the decisions of others. It's not her place to tell me whether or not I should screw or look at naughty pictures, married or not.
posted by dogmatic at 9:47 PM on April 3, 2002


Matt-Thank you, that was exactly what I was trying to say. While many of those women don't weigh much compared to, say, me...they weigh more than most models, and they do have stomaches and such. They look pretty normal. They don't seem to care about it, which is refreshing.

One thing I did kinda to ask is, has anyone other than me ever noticed the "porn" look? It's kind of an expression many people in this sort of stuff have. They look like they're trying to be sexy, but they just look bored or rather expressionless. From the expressions on at least some of these girls, they are indeed trying to be sexy. But they seem to think it's all kind of silly and for play, something enjoyable, not a pain they have to put up with.
posted by stoneegg21 at 10:02 PM on April 3, 2002


This is rather ironic. At the very top of the page, bunnyfire commented that she wondered if other women were offended and how they felt. So far the only one who's been offended is her, unless I missed someone.
posted by stoneegg21 at 10:04 PM on April 3, 2002


Aaron, whatever your size is, if you started posing nude somewhere with a "fuck you" attitude that exuded into the images, making everyone that saw them damn sure you were comfortable with yourself, I'm sure we'd be impressed

So far, Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net. C'mon everybody! Let's start NudeFilter!
posted by evanizer at 10:08 PM on April 3, 2002


I enjoy a good tar and feathering as much as the next guy, but I wonder if there's any possibility you could save your slings and arrows for something a bit more sporting?

rodii:Settle?


I'll get the tar, you start plucking....


If there's a MeFi god, this will happen, and soon. Thank you both.
that is all, for now.
posted by Ufez Jones at 10:08 PM on April 3, 2002


There are a few women with raging underarm hair (which I usually find revolting, I still have some growing to do I suppose

Matt, believe this old man: the revulsion with underarm hair(never mind the raging variety) gets worse and worse. That's why I stopped having German and Swedish girlfriends around the age of 21). Heck - truth be told, I was even put off by your "usually". What sort of exceptions are you talking about?

please refrain from insisting that I, and everyone else on MetaFilter, would be better off if we kept our dicks in our pants till marriage.

Dogmatic and all the others: please learn to read Bunnyfirese. She's just teasing. She's just joining in, like those little girls who say "Gross!" but enjoy playing with boys. It's fun! There's nothing prescriptive in what she writes. Stop pretending she's some old nanny just so you show just how cool, modern and tolerant you are. You're the ones who keep telling her off and wagging your fingers. You're the Grandma Moses. Comparatively, she's a veritable April playmate.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:11 PM on April 3, 2002


Dude, aaron, before you turn this into another "damn the fat people" thread...

No, I said my piece. I'm done. My point is merely that for the most part these women have intentionally outcast themselves, and they really haven't even done that so much as intentionally placed themselves into societal subgenres. (It's obvious from this thread and the prior one that there are tons of people who are very much into the overuse of tattoos and piercings, and underarm hair ... well, two minutes with a Norelco can change that anytime she wishes.)

I'll take your word for it about the cellulite and tummies; the tattoos-and-piercings look isn't really my thing, so I'm not going to pay to look at the site in-depth. But the few freebies I've seen showed girls that were indeed near-"perfection", albeit with the tattoos and such. In any case, I think most people are perfectly willing to accept a tiny tummy or a little cellulite. The site basically IS Playboy/Penthouse for those into the tattoo thing, nothing more. Which is fine; I'm just saying I don't see this as some major leap towards true acceptance of a wide range of female body types. At best, it's the tiniest step.

Okay, now I'm done.
posted by aaron at 10:16 PM on April 3, 2002


It's one thing to speak your mind -- it's another to force your value system on others. Had she merely disagreed, I wouldn't have said anything. However, it's pretty clear that bunnyfire disagrees not with the opinions of others, but with the way others choose to live their lives.

dogmatic, so apparently it's okay to to tell others that atheism is "correct", but Christianity is off-limits? The hypocrisy here reeks.
posted by BlueTrain at 10:18 PM on April 3, 2002


The site basically IS Playboy/Penthouse for those into the tattoo thing, nothing more.

Really, though, it's not. The attitude is different, the photography is different, the viewer's connection, such as it is, to the girls, and the girls' connection to the site, and to each other, is different...of course, this has all been discussed on both threads in more detail, and you claim to have read them, so...
posted by bingo at 10:26 PM on April 3, 2002


I have read them. I simply disagree. I mean, I know their approach is different than Playboy/Penthouse, but I think that's just part and parcel of being into that subgenre. The end result is still the same, though, esp. WRT its effect on female "empowerment" or however you want to put it: It's just porn. And again, I'm fine with it. All I'm saying is I don't think it should put up on a pedestal as being something more than it is.
posted by aaron at 10:37 PM on April 3, 2002


There's a card trick that you can do over very long distances that basically goes like this:

Magician: "Pick a card"
Person picks card from deck.
Magician: "Have you memorized the card?"
Person: "Yes"
Magician: "Now slide the card back into the deck"
Person: "Anywhere?"
Magician: "Yes, anywhere you want."
Person buries card in deck.
Magician: "Alright. Now, what was your card?"
Person: "The three of spades."
Magician: "You're right."

This thread, and the other about this whole finding the suicide girls attractive argument, reminds me of that trick. It doesn't matter what anyone else sees. It's what you see.
posted by eyeballkid at 10:55 PM on April 3, 2002


It's Groundhog Day here, only with softcore alternative porn/erotica.
posted by raysmj at 11:07 PM on April 3, 2002


aaron, but you also have admitted to not actually looking at the site beyond the free guest pages. Are you sure you have any remote clue what you're talking about?

You also say "the whole effect on female empowerment or however you want to put it" like that's some irrelevant, imaginary idea, but in fact to some people that's the whole issue.
posted by bingo at 11:24 PM on April 3, 2002


eyeballkid: I don't think so. The card is still either the three of spades, or it's not. The fact that someone is making a sucker game out of it doesn't change the deck.
posted by bingo at 11:29 PM on April 3, 2002


is the card the three of spades? who's to know? only one person saw it.
posted by eyeballkid at 11:49 PM on April 3, 2002


I am still recovering from clicking on the proctologist's nightmare link I saw on metafilter the other day... someone's idea of an April Fools Joke, I think. The SucideGirls ad explains what you are going to see, which gives me a choice and if helps pay for the site thats an added bonus.
posted by Tarrama at 11:49 PM on April 3, 2002


So far, Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net.

I am Ron Jeremy.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:53 PM on April 3, 2002







...no, not really.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:55 PM on April 3, 2002


Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net

nonsense, that's all I'm saying.
posted by jessamyn at 12:06 AM on April 4, 2002


cripes, I came in a bit late on this one. dangnammit.

aaron, you slay me - No, I said my piece. I'm done. My point is ....

Q - What's the difference between sex for love and sex for money?

A - Sex for love is more expensive.
posted by Frasermoo at 12:06 AM on April 4, 2002


Ok, StWC - deny this!*

*Disgusting stuff, everyone else...
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:06 AM on April 4, 2002


Miguelito, you never cease to amaze with your random ass links. Just when you seem puritanical, you pull this shit out of your ass (pun intended)
posted by Ufez Jones at 12:14 AM on April 4, 2002


dogmatic, so apparently it's okay to to tell others that atheism is "correct", but Christianity is off-limits?

BlueTrain --

You should look back at the comment you linked to. It's not me. In fact, the only thing I posted in that thread was this, which said Christianity was neither wrong nor right -- just that it assumed pagan rituals and holidays to attract pagan converts. If you'd like to offer a more historically accurate or better-reasoned explanation, I'd love to see it.

I'd also love to see the last thread where I blatantly attacked Christianity. I've blatantly attacked fat people and bad posts and the Religious Right for killing sex ed classes and the Bush administration for just being dumb . . . I admit to being not a very nice guy at all.

But looking through my posts I'm at a loss to find a single attack on Christianity as a religion. I may have attacked its influence on public policy or misunderstandings of the gospels -- which I tried to answer by-the-(good-)book -- but the religion itself? I don't seem to recall that, sir.
posted by dogmatic at 2:43 AM on April 4, 2002


I think that the $10 the Suicide Girls paid for their textad has gotten them more exposure than anything else they could have done. I think I need to start taking some nudie shots with my pencam or something.
posted by crunchland at 2:56 AM on April 4, 2002


"The man has shared bodily fluids with history."

'nuff said.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:55 AM on April 4, 2002


aaron, but you also have admitted to not actually looking at the site beyond the free guest pages. Are you sure you have any remote clue what you're talking about?

So Suicide Girls is an entire lie? The free pages bear no relation whatsoever to the content behind the curtain? Somehow, I doubt that.

Glad I exist to entertain you, Frasermoo.
posted by aaron at 5:49 AM on April 4, 2002


So far, Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net. C'mon everybody! Let's start NudeFilter!

I'm pretty sure that if you look around enough in the Bradlands (something about a day in the life of a weblogger) that you'll find a shot of Mr. Graham entering the shower. Of course, it's possible that he used a double, but probably not.

Not that I seek this sort of thing out, mind you.
posted by anapestic at 6:23 AM on April 4, 2002


Matt, I promised not to make your life a living hell, so I put further comments on my weblog...I'm really not trying to tell the rest of you how to live your lives, but I do really serve a living God, and it behooves *ME* to pay attention to how HE views these matters.

I still love the rest of you though.....do you mind putting down the tar? And those feathers....not my idea of a fashion statement.....thank you....

(Miguel....my dear evil twin....sometimes I do think you have lost your mind....I will help you look for it if you want me to.....)
posted by bunnyfire at 6:45 AM on April 4, 2002


Aw, jeez. Now you're just asking for it, bunny.
posted by crunchland at 6:52 AM on April 4, 2002


it behooves *ME* to pay attention to how HE views these matters.

I don't know Bunnyfire, for me, it's personal ideologies like this that are historically at the root of all conflict and judgement and intolerance and war and oppression and suffering in the world for the last two thousand years....

Or am I exaggerating?
posted by Karl at 7:26 AM on April 4, 2002


Alright. Let me see an ontological proof for the existence of God despite the continued popularity of boy bands. I'll need that on my desk by 8am, madame lapin de feu.

And, you know, if you get a chance, can you ask Jesus to do something about my tax debt? Brother's got clout.
posted by Kafkaesque at 7:31 AM on April 4, 2002


*puts on Joan of Arc (C) brand running shoes, runs like heck from thread, making mental note to stay out of metatalk for a day or two at least...*
posted by bunnyfire at 7:34 AM on April 4, 2002


honestly, bf, I think you should confine yourself to the blue pages from now on. you seem to be well-liked over there. matt banned you from metafilter for a month, but he also suggested that you stay out of metatalk for three. (personally, I wish he had just dropped your account down a mineshaft.)

I also think we should stop responding to you back here, since you're not doing much more than x-tian trolling. and now let's see if I can take my own advice...
posted by Dean King at 7:45 AM on April 4, 2002


*puts on Joan of Arc (C) brand running shoes, runs like heck from thread, making mental note to stay out of metatalk for a day or two at least...*

With nothing but the purest desire to be of help to you, that was the smartest thing you said/did in this thread. It isn't your beliefs that got get you in trouble, it is the pounding of them over and over again. Say what you have to say, and leave it at that. You may feel the need to pay attention to how the God of your understanding views these matters, but you would do well to take into consideration the grace and mercy He has shown you and those who vouched (for lack of a better word) for your behavior on your return. Say your piece, make your views known, and accept it when others disagree.
posted by adampsyche at 7:45 AM on April 4, 2002


I'm really not trying to tell the rest of you how to live your lives, but I do really serve a living God, and it behooves *ME* to pay attention to how HE views these matters.

Well, exactly. *You* should pay attention to how God views things, because you have chosen to enter into His service. However, it is also imporant to remember His counsel on interactions with those who do not believe as you do. For instance, this is probably an occasion where being as wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove (Matt 10:16) would have come in handy.

You did the right thing by discussing this on your weblog, but a lot of ink was needlessly spilled first.

Remember: we are only given so many words to use before we die. After they run out, we
posted by iceberg273 at 7:51 AM on April 4, 2002


After they run out, we...

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ICY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crane shot of AVOGADRO holding ICEBERG273]




I hardly knew ye, yet I loved you like a brother. *sniff*
posted by Avogadro at 7:58 AM on April 4, 2002


*opens eyes*
*hands Avo a Kleenex*

Sorry about that. Apparently there was some sort of mix up in accounting.
posted by iceberg273 at 8:07 AM on April 4, 2002


uh, has anyone got a username and password for Suicide Girls...?

can I borrow your Kleenex iceberg please.
posted by Frasermoo at 8:14 AM on April 4, 2002


Frasermoo, you need a Kleenex after the preview? How about some self-control, man!
posted by pardonyou? at 8:27 AM on April 4, 2002


Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net

nonsense, that's all I'm saying.


jessamyn? shatter my image of you, why dontcha...although I could make the same statement, and I ain't sayin' a word.
posted by jonmc at 8:29 AM on April 4, 2002


I had a real hot nude spread in cadaver monthly, until they figured out that I'm merely Scottish.
posted by dong_resin at 8:56 AM on April 4, 2002


Clan MacManic.
posted by Kafkaesque at 9:19 AM on April 4, 2002


dong_resin i love you.
posted by goneill at 9:31 AM on April 4, 2002


goneill: how fickle your heart *snif*
posted by Sapphireblue at 9:51 AM on April 4, 2002


eyeballkid: is the card the three of spades? who's to know? only one person saw it.

That one person knows. And if he lies, that doesn't change what the card was.

aaron: So Suicide Girls is an entire lie? The free pages bear no relation whatsoever to the content behind the curtain? Somehow, I doubt that.

They do bear a relation, but they don't tell the whole story, and in fact, the preview pics resemble "mainstream" porn more than most of those you get when you pay. At any rate, since you keep totally mischaracterizing the site, I'm looking for ways to justify your misunderstanding without being personally insulting.


posted by bingo at 9:51 AM on April 4, 2002


god - i'm really losing it - i told two different people i loved them in the same thread I think that I just really miss cold chef. Sorry guys.
posted by goneill at 10:05 AM on April 4, 2002


Miss ColdChef - now there's a centerfold.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:40 AM on April 4, 2002


dean king was able to say what i have been thinking for awhile.

thank you
posted by chrisroberts at 11:33 AM on April 4, 2002


Fine bingo. If someone wants to loan me their SG password so I can go in and look for 10 minutes or so, I'll gladly retract my statements on the matter, and they can change their password and that'll be the end of that.

And there's always a way to argue a point without being personally insulting, FWIW.
posted by aaron at 12:07 PM on April 4, 2002


"but I do really serve a living God, and it behooves *ME* to pay attention to how HE views these matters."

actually, i just got off the phone with our lord and saviour, and he agrees, those suicide girls are fucking bad ass.

just so you know.
posted by jcterminal at 1:02 PM on April 4, 2002


If someone wants to loan me their SG password so I can go in and look for 10 minutes or so

I second that. If anyone wants to share thier SG password so i can go in and look for a few hours or so...
posted by adampsyche at 1:06 PM on April 4, 2002


If someone wants to loan me their SG password so I can go in and look for 10 minutes or so

I second that. If anyone wants to share thier SG password so i can go in and look for a few hours or so...


No, pick me! I only need it for oh, say, 2 minutes! No! Make that 45 seconds! Wait, how about ... oh, darn. Nevermind.
posted by pardonyou? at 1:28 PM on April 4, 2002 [1 favorite]


Pervs.
posted by aaron at 3:53 PM on April 4, 2002


Goneill: Once you're "done" with dong_resin, could you pass him this way??
posted by xena at 4:06 PM on April 4, 2002


i will never ever be done with dong resin.
posted by goneill at 4:36 PM on April 4, 2002


Hey dong resin, now that you seem to have groupies, can I be your, like, MeFi roadie?
posted by jonmc at 5:05 PM on April 4, 2002


"well, I wonder how the other women on Metafilter feel about it."

Oh, dear, I'm far too late for this thread. I'd just like to be counted as a mefem who has no problem with pr0n.
I don't see why I should be assumed to. I hate when people confuse their personal tastes with what women are/want. It's so limiting and it's kinda degrading too.
posted by Catch at 5:23 PM on April 4, 2002


Girlz like pr0n.

(Or at least I think the SG's are cute and amusing). For all of you Portland-ers, on their list of events, they're having a little SG cabaret at Dante's in mid-April. Girlie dancing and such.


Not that any of you would want to go or anything....
posted by readymade at 6:12 PM on April 4, 2002


Goneill: Any chance you'd share?? I mean, you might get tired or something.
posted by xena at 6:22 PM on April 4, 2002


i will never ever be done with dong resin.
you know, to someone who doesn't pay attention to usernames, that could be an incredibly disturbing sentence.
posted by pikachulolita at 6:34 PM on April 4, 2002


1. he is a hard man to deal with xena, he forces this kind of relentless monogamy on me. goneill, goneill, never ever leave me, etc. - if he'll give up on me, i'll send him your way.

2. uh yeah - that's why i wrote it.
posted by goneill at 7:23 PM on April 4, 2002


goneill, since you're all into dong_resin, you probably don't need mlang anymore. Can I have him? Please?

He's cute, right?
posted by evanizer at 8:35 PM on April 4, 2002


So far, Neale is the only Mefilterarian I know of brave enough to bare his body on the net. C'mon everybody! Let's start NudeFilter!

Oy, I knew that would come back to haunt me. Wont someone repost ben brown's penis to take the focus away from my butt?
posted by Zora Neale Hurston at 8:46 PM on April 4, 2002


yeah, i mean - he's alright... (and quite likely gay)
posted by goneill at 9:04 PM on April 4, 2002


Ladies, ladies....
My pimp hand is strong.

That's right, ladies, Daddy Dong is in th' house.
I brung da' cheez-wiz, a melon baller and some fine-grit sand paper.
I gots the Toto's greatest hitz, not MP3s, baby, no, but the 8-track., uhhh-huh, and I gots the toilet brush. The long one.

Let's get it on, angry disaffected loner style.
Aaah-yeah.

Jon, you're just gonna hafta put up you wit' dem Kuro5in style ho's, homeslice.
I be mackn' up this muthathumper tight.

posted by dong_resin at 9:27 PM on April 4, 2002


"Oh stewardess, I speak jive."
posted by ebarker at 9:31 PM on April 4, 2002


You know wha' they say: See a broad to get that bodiac lay'er down, an' smack 'em, n' yack 'em.
posted by dong_resin at 9:41 PM on April 4, 2002


Hold me.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:36 PM on April 4, 2002


This dong resin guy, is he new?
posted by jessamyn at 12:21 AM on April 5, 2002


i'm all yours, evanizer. i didn't believe she would cheat until i saw it with my own eyes: goneill in a booth at the espnzone...dong resin all over her. ewwwww!

besides, girls are dirty, evil, and their private parts smell bad.

*voice deepens, becomes warmer, richer in tone...and increases in volume considerably*

but don't worry, ladies. now there's a product that safely and gently cleanses away moisture, wetness and odor, without the need to rinse. i am proud to introduce vagisil cleansing foam, the first and ONLY intimate cleansing foam on the market. but most important of all, its slim design allows for on the go cleansing convenience and all day freshness.

*voice returns to normal*

at least, that's what the television commercials seem to stress: the new product is unique because it fits in a purse or handbag, offering portable vaginal cleaning. women of america: you are confined to the home no longer! be free!

(now if only they would come up with a portable product that eliminates dong resin.)
posted by mlang at 12:51 AM on April 5, 2002


I'm using vaginal cleansing foam right now.















My god. I just sank to a new low.

* hangs head in shame *
posted by Zora Neale Hurston at 2:08 AM on April 5, 2002


aaron: And there's always a way to argue a point without being personally insulting, FWIW.

Easy for you to say. You don't have to respond to your own comments.
posted by bingo at 2:50 AM on April 5, 2002


ooooh handbag.
posted by Frasermoo at 3:02 AM on April 5, 2002


<voice style="intonation:Homer;">Mmmm...foam</voice>
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:24 AM on April 5, 2002


(*is secretly pleased that Zora N.H. has finally descended to his level*)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:26 AM on April 5, 2002


I note in passing that this thread is a bizarro-world 900th anniversary of ol' 1142, kinda.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:29 AM on April 5, 2002


thank god no one brought up that whole genital foam thing, my monitor doesn't need a coffee bath....

yummm.... coffee bath.

grab a sponge dong_, i'm coming home.
posted by jcterminal at 4:44 AM on April 5, 2002


I be mackn' up this muthathumper tight.

Dong_resin's real name? Herbert Kornfeld. You be sussed, homie!


posted by UncleFes at 6:53 AM on April 5, 2002


Matt, believe this old man: the revulsion with underarm hair(never mind the raging variety) gets worse and worse. That's why I stopped having German and Swedish girlfriends around the age of 21).

Miguel, could you send them over to me? I absolutely love underarm hair on a woman. . .my wife just started shaving, after 10+ years of not, and not only do I not like it as much but she uses MY razor to do it with!
posted by Danf at 7:05 AM on April 5, 2002


I only like women growing underarm hair if they subsequently mousse and style it.
posted by UncleFes at 7:10 AM on April 5, 2002


Dong, what are all of those tools for?
I don't understand, can you explain it?

No more talk of underarm hair - I decree. I don't understand however Danf, why you would want these extra women when you are married
posted by goneill at 7:28 AM on April 5, 2002


Wow. Let's follow the conceptual shifts of this thread and see if we can use the results to determine a divine order and prove the existence of God:

porn
Netscape
triple-double posts
Smurfs
death
goth
bunnyfire
etymology of "squicked"
porn aesthetics
Neale's butt
underarm hair
the living God
dong_resin
Vagisil cleansing foam

Hmm, nope. We'll have to try again another time.

Or perhaps we have prov'd a new concept, that it only takes 204 Mefi posts to get from any one of these concepts to any other of them. Of course maybe not. It's much too easy to get from, say, 'bunnyfire' to a mention of God or from 'underarm hair' to 'dong_resin'. That often even happens in the same post. Back to the drawing board.

posted by evanizer at 7:33 AM on April 5, 2002


Here you go, Danf.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:39 AM on April 5, 2002


Oops, evanizer just joined in.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:43 AM on April 5, 2002


Evanizer: rereading your brilliant analysis, I wonder whether one of the whizzkids here could set up a MetaFilter version of the Kevin Bacon Game.

Say I'd challenge people to go from Will Wheaton to beer nuts, from pastel jackals to oreos, from Rwanda to Jennifer Connelly or from Bollywood to Ikea in the minimum amount of jumps/links, using only MetaFilter and MetaTalk.

Wouldn't this be a great game? Would this bring down the Google/MeFi search or what?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:51 AM on April 5, 2002


Can we please, please add Sex in a Romanian Museum to the list? It'd be oh so randy!

*cue Jon Lovitz
"Dangerous Sex! Dangerous Sex! Oh, why can't there be a single word for Dangerous Sex?!? OOOOOOOooooooohhhhhhhhh!"
posted by Ufez Jones at 8:36 AM on April 5, 2002


There is, baby : dong.
posted by dong_resin at 8:39 AM on April 5, 2002


Aaah-yeah.
posted by dong_resin at 8:40 AM on April 5, 2002


incessant talk of pancakes won't stop the mad underarm hair loving in this thread. you sly dog you.
Dong you look simply ravishing in your new photo. ravishing.
posted by goneill at 9:03 AM on April 5, 2002


goneill:I don't understand however Danf, why you would want these extra women when you are married

I do not know quite how to respond to this. . .It was rhetorical, idle bantering. . .but now that I think of it, having a group of European women, flown to my city, put up in separate hotel rooms, none knowing about the existence of the others, all just waiting for my unannounced visits. . .I think I have a plan. . funding of course is a concern but I think a few textads on my blog will take care of that. . .thank you goneill for the nudge on this.. . I'll let you know how it turns out.
posted by Danf at 9:16 AM on April 5, 2002


Just leave us to negotiating over our beloved Dong will you?

Dong honey, I be cooking up the vanilla puddin right now - $240 worth. A whole lotta puddin'..
posted by xena at 9:19 AM on April 5, 2002


Dats a booty-fulla slip-slop, baby, uh-huh.
posted by dong_resin at 9:36 AM on April 5, 2002


dong your appearance is requested on 1835.
posted by goneill at 9:38 AM on April 5, 2002


"the people who control the media assume that the mentality of this country is low. But I give people more credit than that..."

-Linda Lovelace
posted by clavdivs at 12:54 PM on April 5, 2002


I think she goes by a new name now clavdivs.
posted by goneill at 1:04 PM on April 5, 2002


really? cool. im quoating her diary. so to cite her as anything but what the book says is not correct. for instance...

(famous last words)

"French-Canadian bean soup. I want to pay. Let them leave me alone."

-Arthur Flegenheimer.

so what. flegenheimer? whos he...
aka Dutch Shultz. see, quoating flegenhiemer is not the same as quoating schultz.
posted by clavdivs at 1:51 PM on April 5, 2002


of course id get a lower grade for spelling:)
posted by clavdivs at 1:54 PM on April 5, 2002


That's funny clavs because I thought that she wrote that book under her new/old name, but you were right - and I was wong. So yes, I agree that she should be called lovelace when citing her book. I thought that you were using her stripper name when citing her book, but I was wrong and I humbly bow now.
posted by goneill at 3:09 PM on April 5, 2002


forgetta bout it.
posted by clavdivs at 8:07 PM on April 5, 2002


here's hoping the next edition of suicide girls is hosted by wil wheaton. that would rock.
posted by jcterminal at 9:30 PM on April 6, 2002


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