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Can we please have this feature, at least for the mobile site? There's no greasemonkey for iPhone Safari, and there and certain users with logorrhea who really make the site unpleasant.
posted by interrobang to Feature Requests at 5:30 PM (336 comments total) 7 users marked this as a favorite

I would be very happy to have this feature.
posted by Artw at 5:32 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


No, that's not something we're going to do. You have my sympathies if someone drives you crazy when you're using your phone to read the site, but like the main site that's kind of a figure-it-out-on-a-personal-level thing, not a site thing.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:36 PM on June 5, 2011 [51 favorites]


Not being able to block fellow members is one of the best things about Metafilter. I think this and the lack of threaded comments are one of the hallmarks of this community. It'd be a shame if this was implemented.
posted by milarepa at 5:38 PM on June 5, 2011 [85 favorites]


I don't want a mobile killfile (or a regular one), but after spending a couple of days reading the site on my phone, I wish the character limit for cutting off individual posts with an ellipsis link to the thread in Recent Activity was a little lower on the moblle site. Occasionally you get a loooooooong scroll on the phone before the limit kicks in.
posted by immlass at 5:47 PM on June 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


What about cutting off the text at a certain point and throw in a "Show More" link that will expand it out. Should be a fairly simple and cheap hack.
posted by geoff. at 5:49 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


My grammar is so bad though that I wouldn't blame someone for blocking me.
posted by milarepa at 5:49 PM on June 5, 2011


The fun thing about mobile devices is it's a lot easier to cover up comments you don't want to read with your fingers.
posted by Eideteker at 5:50 PM on June 5, 2011 [20 favorites]


I'd like this as well.
posted by Lovecraft In Brooklyn at 5:51 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


What about cutting off the text at a certain point and throw in a "Show More" link that will expand it out. Should be a fairly simple and cheap hack.

Yeah, it's not the length that's the issue. It's posters who comment eleven times in practically every thread, comments that are either self-serving noise or all-caps Simpsons references.
posted by interrobang at 5:54 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


This should be like that outer limits episode 'the button'. One user at a time gets access, and you get to ban one user but you do not know the user. Then the next person gets the button, with the same option. And you are assured that the person after you does not know you.
posted by cashman at 5:56 PM on June 5, 2011 [6 favorites]


How about all users who say they want this feature automatically get on a universal kill file without knowing it?
posted by Stynxno at 5:58 PM on June 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


Sorry, I meant shallow self-serving noise.
posted by interrobang at 5:58 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Yeah, it's not the length that's the issue. It's posters who comment eleven times in practically every thread, comments that are either self-serving noise or all-caps Simpsons references.


WORST COMMENT EVER
posted by jpdoane at 5:59 PM on June 5, 2011 [84 favorites]


comments that are either self-serving noise

God, your noise is so pedestrian. My noise only goes to gas stations where the attendant pumps it for you.
posted by phunniemee at 6:07 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


interrobang: "There's no greasemonkey for iPhone Safari, and there and certain users with logorrhea who really make the site unpleasant."

It's a cocktail party. There will always be guests you don't like, guests you do like but who arrive drunk, and guests you thought you liked but behave objectionably and make you change your mind.

Have a canape and move on.
posted by DarlingBri at 6:08 PM on June 5, 2011 [34 favorites]


I think this could be done locally with greasemonkey in Firefox for Mobile on Android.
posted by gen at 6:10 PM on June 5, 2011


Mefi will always have its share of Colin Hunts.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 6:12 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


No, no, no, no, never. Ever. This is one of the worst things that can possibly happen. You're re-creating killfiles for god's sake. Do I need to spell out how disasterous a server-side killfile solution is?
posted by Justinian at 6:15 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Actually, widespread use of killfiles is a disaster whether or not they are set up server-side. But making killfiles inherently part of Metafilter would greatly encourage their use and so is definitely contra-indicated.
posted by Justinian at 6:17 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Out of interest do a lot of people use killfiles?
posted by doublehappy at 6:18 PM on June 5, 2011


I would be very happy to have server side killfiles irregardless of any mobile related benefits.
posted by Artw at 6:19 PM on June 5, 2011


I would be very happy to have this feature.
posted by Artw



....no, too easy.
posted by jonmc at 6:19 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


It's a cocktail party.
Can't be if I've been let in, especially in these shoes.
posted by Abiezer at 6:22 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


I remain happy that this is not an option. It encourages me to learn how to deal with people that annoy me. This is a useful skill.
posted by stoneweaver at 6:24 PM on June 5, 2011 [26 favorites]


If reading on the mobile bothers you so much that you want to disappear people off your web, maybe you should limit your mobile reading.
posted by zennie at 6:30 PM on June 5, 2011


DarlingBri:
It's a cocktail party.


That explains so much.
posted by deborah at 6:38 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Yeah, no. Our sympathies, but this is in the "never going to happen" bucket.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:40 PM on June 5, 2011 [17 favorites]


These sorts of discussions are pointless* without identifying the catalyst for the request.

*Amusing to me
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 6:43 PM on June 5, 2011


One part of me wants this feature so very badly. That part of me I try to keep in a tiny cage and never let out because it is kind of a jerky-jerk.

The other part of me got into an argument with the guy who asked me to help him design a replacement Hacker News-y site, because he thought that self-blocking people from a web site was a good idea, and I thought that it sounded like the quickest way to utterly shitfuck a community. I worked as a moderator for a writer's site that allowed for user blocks, and above everything else it slaughtered political discussions, because everybody was suddenly given a freedom to trumpet their views without anybody else getting in the way. And there was no discussion, even if one side decided to debunk the other side, because that other side never ever noticed things had changed.

Get rid of mandatory seeing-users and what you've got is Facebook. No, really: a web site already exists that lets you pick and choose who you hear from. I used it all throughout high school to create my secret fascist society where only Roryspeak was allowed; now that I'm in college I use it as a way of limiting who gets invitations to my once-a-year balloon festivals, and also who has the privilege of listening to me monologue about things nobody cares about. I even have a bunch of MetaFilterites on it, except I unfriended a bunch of you when I deleted and restored my account and sorry, refriend me again, I love you.

Meanwhile I think that MetaFilter does have some kind of a fundamental thing-not-working with its community system, but the moderators are so enormously talented that things have remained stable since I started lurking here, except for in the wintertime; and it's not like I know what would help things anyway.

But I have some ideas! One, crystallize some of the arguments that happen in basically every thread, and then find a way to get users to stop rehashing their favorite argument if it's already on the Things We Disagree About wiki. Two, enforce a certain standard of discussion beyond just getting mad when people tell people to go fuck themselves.* Or three, go the opposite route and give us a MeCatharsis where we can just yell "FUCK YOOOOOOOOU" at each other until we get it out of our system. That's what works with my bunch of friends. We all frustrate each other, but we all are forgiving of each other's frustrations, so having a place to (sincerely!) vent our blind rage helps us maintain focused discussions and friendships. It's better than having NO outlet for anger. In a perfect world we'd go for walks and let the sunlight take our minds off things, but unfortunately we live in a world of winters and rains.

* I sincerely think it's a problem that MetaFilter doesn't let you insult other users, but it's fine with letting you insult other users' beliefs. Certain users will insinuate that anybody who is non-anti-circumcision/likes religion/plays kazoos/wears purple is wrong or stupid or any number of hurtful words, and other users will just sarcastically snark at anybody trying to be sincere in a way that implies "go fuck yourself" without actually saying it. And that leads to a lot of badwill. I'm probably guilty of this too.
posted by Rory Marinich at 6:55 PM on June 5, 2011 [7 favorites]


I worked as a moderator for a writer's site that allowed for user blocks, and above everything else it slaughtered political discussions, because everybody was suddenly given a freedom to trumpet their views without anybody else getting in the way. And there was no discussion, even if one side decided to debunk the other side, because that other side never ever noticed things had changed.

I would question if that actually constitutes anything different from our current discussions on political/contentious subjects.
posted by Artw at 6:58 PM on June 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


I would question if that actually constitutes anything different from our current discussions on political/contentious subjects.

Do we have a single member who never once reads and responds to arguments on the other side? Even my two most irritate-me-every-so-often members act in semi-good faith, kinda.
posted by Rory Marinich at 7:00 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Because of the internet, we have more choice than ever before concerning who we talk to and what sort of person we interact with. This has kind of spoiled us, I think, because it means, for example, that I don't ever have to talk to a Republican if I don't want to; or an old white man; or a person from Arizona. I can avoid all of the unpleasantness of interacting with people who might disagree with me in any way.

Metafilter already provides enough of this. You can close any thread you want to. We don't need more of it. It kills community, which, like it or not, is based upon learning to deal in a fair and equitable way with people we might find unpleasant.

Rory Marinich: “Even my two most irritate-me-every-so-often members act in semi-good faith, kinda.”

Bullshit. I've never once acted in good faith, and you damned well know it.
posted by koeselitz at 7:02 PM on June 5, 2011 [6 favorites]


Oh right this brings up the MetaTalk I was going to post later tonight which was, mods, can we ban koeselitz? He's the worst.
posted by Rory Marinich at 7:04 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


all-caps Simpsons references

It's only because I can't figure out how to put them in glittery comic sans.

I'm against this pony, I've been in communities where this is allowed and it's just one sided shouting and no discussion.
posted by arcticseal at 7:04 PM on June 5, 2011


'Yeah, no. Our sympathies, but this is in the "never going to happen" bucket.'

Of cock-
tails
posted by Eideteker at 7:16 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Only if anyone posting "Plonk" in a comment will automatically get added...
posted by fritley at 7:16 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Whether or not I am your "poster who comment(s) eleven times in practically every thread, comments that are either self-serving noise or all-caps Simpsons references," surely I am somebody's. I am therefore against this, because I am too young to die.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:18 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Without casting aspersions on the current advocates of this idea, it usually IS the people who comment 100 times in a thread who want this kind of thing. They just want to peacock their egos without being assaulted with reality.
posted by gjc at 7:18 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Just about 75% of all communication is "self serving noise".. hell that might even be a higher %. It's all either communicating facts or calling attention to oneself, sometimes both at once.
posted by edgeways at 7:26 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Hrm. Weird. I would have thought that an important question like this would've gotten more than five responses. Guess everybody is having a Sunday night out instead.
posted by koeselitz at 7:28 PM on June 5, 2011 [10 favorites]


I think this would be a good idea if people don't like people. But don't people like people? I no know what good idea is if not? Friends.
posted by TwelveTwo at 7:31 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


this is in the "never going to happen" bucket.

Is it weird that I'm suddenly strangely fascinated with the thought of how big a bucket we're talking about?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:36 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


I just want to say that it's Sunday, it's relatively hot for Seattle and I'm as sitting completely naked on a vinyl-upholstered chair and giving you a hug.
posted by loquacious at 7:37 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


Wait, I'm not completely naked. I had socks on. Now I'm naked.
posted by loquacious at 7:38 PM on June 5, 2011 [11 favorites]


that's socksual harassment, man
posted by pyramid termite at 7:45 PM on June 5, 2011 [8 favorites]


I hope those were black socks, and your legs are pale, damp, and kind of worm-like. Because otherwise I'm just not interested.
posted by Forktine at 7:46 PM on June 5, 2011


Dude. I don't hug naked on the first date. Please put your socks back on.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:46 PM on June 5, 2011 [12 favorites]


ewwwwww
posted by flabdablet's sock puppet at 7:56 PM on June 5, 2011 [5 favorites]


Every time I've ever seen a feature introduced to a forum that allows one user to be antagonistic towards another (even covertly, like this) it's only ended poorly and degraded the quality of the community.
posted by codacorolla at 8:00 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


It's strange how this was posted more than two hours ago but I've managed to be the first person to comment. Where is everyone?

For what it's worth, I think this is a bad idea.
posted by rtha at 8:04 PM on June 5, 2011 [10 favorites]


Am I even wrong in thinking that it would lead to multiple iterations of Skype?
Which is the game telephone... in the c l o u d.

First!
posted by infinite intimation at 8:05 PM on June 5, 2011


having a place to (sincerely!) vent our blind rage helps us maintain focused discussions and friendships.

Madge, you're soaking in it.
posted by Diablevert at 8:07 PM on June 5, 2011


God, your noise is so pedestrian. My noise only goes to gas stations where the attendant pumps it for you.

If his noise is so pedestrian, why's it going to gas stations at all?
posted by kenko at 8:09 PM on June 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


How about a new subsite, kind of like Metafilter Twitter, or I'm thinking specifically "MefiMobile."

I vaguely sense that there's content out there that is specifically "best of the mobile web" already, and there certainly will be more.

FPPs limited to 150 characters; comments to 100.
posted by fourcheesemac at 8:17 PM on June 5, 2011


If there were a MetaFilter reader iPhone app, this type of message filtering would be cake to support. Not sure why several past plans floated to create a MetaFilter app never seem to have launched, getting a basic message reader up and working wouldn't take long. Perhaps the plans were for the app to support all significant features on 1.0 release, which sets a much higher initial development bar. Or perhaps branding was problematic.

Of course, there's no clear way to make money on such an app, since it's not a given that a lot of people would pay for it, and if one bypassed MetaFilter's ad structure to put in iAds there likely would be a great hue and cry, so perhaps financial constraints are the bottom line reason for the lack.

But if somebody did it, message filtering and many other officially server-side rejected ideas would be pretty simple enhancements. I mean, if a developer wanted an app which was unique among the 500K already existing in the App Store, MetaFilter-specific is an untapped idea. Got a preexisting customer base. Not that I'm suggesting anything to any random hungry developer out there...

(There have been several third party killfiles for MetaFilter for many years now, with thousands of total downloads, and I don't see much of a Facebook trend happening, besides the whole favoriting thing.)
posted by mdevore at 8:32 PM on June 5, 2011


"irregardless"

Killfile.
posted by klangklangston at 8:40 PM on June 5, 2011 [29 favorites]


'Mobile web' as a concept is already outdated anyway. Let's work on accessibility options and functionality for the ubiquitous web instead. I wanna be able to killfile someone from the fridge while I'm getting ice for my mojito, dammit!
posted by carsonb at 8:47 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


FPPs limited to 150 characters ; comments
to 100


MetaTwitter?
posted by 6550 at 8:54 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


who writes all caps Simpsons references? Please point me to their profiles. Their ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to their newsletter. ...
posted by sweetkid at 8:54 PM on June 5, 2011


MetaTwitter?

Twitfilter.
posted by daniel_charms at 9:01 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


I'd like to figure out a way to get killfiled by absolutely everyone on the site. It would be a great inside joke that would serve to seriously confuse new members. I'd go in every thread and post huge all-caps rants about socialism and brain parasites and how Rory Marinich needs to get banned and then shot in a hole somewhere and new members would be like 'Why is no one responding to this asshole?' and then they'd try to engage me and then everyone else would see that and laugh a hearty laugh. What crystalline, jolly times.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:06 PM on June 5, 2011 [10 favorites]


No.
posted by planetkyoto at 9:21 PM on June 5, 2011


I have an orange pip.
posted by clavdivs at 9:23 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


I have an orange pip.

In your pants?
posted by loquacious at 9:25 PM on June 5, 2011




now it is.
posted by clavdivs at 9:39 PM on June 5, 2011 [6 favorites]


I can't see this thread because I had blocked out interrobang.
posted by hal_c_on at 9:48 PM on June 5, 2011


Say that's a question. Anyone who's used a Greasemonkey killfile thing-- can you still see a killfiled user's FPPs? Or what?
posted by shakespeherian at 9:51 PM on June 5, 2011


I can't see this thread because I had blocked out interrobang.
posted by hal_c_on at 9:48 PM on June 5 [+] [!]


I can see the thread just fine, it's only the original pony request and comments by interrobang that are missing.
posted by Ahab at 9:56 PM on June 5, 2011


To flesh out the detail on that. I've just installed the greasemonkey script diediedead, modified the script to include interrobang's name, commented out Matthowie's, restarted FF and the result is that I'm seeing all of this thread minus the original post by interrobang and minus the one (two?) comments he/she made after the OP.

Gonna uninstall it now. It's a sucky idea.
posted by Ahab at 9:59 PM on June 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


On the one hand, there are many assholes whom I would have blocked solely because of their views on circumcision, and missed their amusing declawed cat anecdotes.

On the other hand, I would love to know how many people would block me.

Everyone's already running the Slarty Bartfast killfile, aren't they?
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 10:02 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


This is a back-door anti-spoiler thing, isn't it?

I think we should do this, with these improvements:

* The number of people in your kill file * 10 is the percentage of your own comments (randomly chosen) that are killed for every other member of the site

* If a thread has comments from more than 1 person in your kill file, you cannot comment in the thread.

* Your profile lists who you kill, and who has killed you.

* Where killed comments fall in a thread, you see the ASCII facepalm image instead.
posted by maxwelton at 10:09 PM on June 5, 2011


I want only people I like to use this internet toy. The others should simply go away. This toy is mine, not yours. Don't use the toy in that way, only this way.
posted by oxford blue at 10:16 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


The best thing about MetaFilter is that the community is not provided tools to ignore each other.
posted by Mikey-San at 10:17 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


I'd personally like an auto-killfile for everyone that decides to circlejerk and joke around as soon as they feel no more discussion should be made in a metatalk thread

it's a caustic thing and people have been doing it for months (if not years) here, killing off more than a few threads before their time

if you're done with a thread, just move on instead of starting up an alphabet game or some other shit like that
posted by flatluigi at 11:15 PM on June 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


I have friends on Facebook who have blocked each other but participate in the same conversations on my Wall posts and it is very annoying to everyone else that they can't see each other because they keep responding to stuff that they're reading completely out of context. It is also surreal (in a not-good way) to be in conversations that include two people who are both "there" but cannot see or hear one another. Please let's not replicate that experience here.
posted by Jacqueline at 11:17 PM on June 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


posted by jamjam at 11:48 PM on June 5

We could just have a checkbox on our preferences page which would put name and the date at the beginning of the comment instead of the end, leaving the [+] [!] at the end in all cases.

I'd like that for the people I like and the people I don't
posted by jamjam at 11:47 PM on June 5, 2011


loquacious: "I just want to say that it's Sunday, it's relatively hot for Seattle and I'm as sitting completely naked on a vinyl-upholstered chair and giving you a hug."

Oh, it's gonna hurt when you stand up.
posted by deborah at 12:08 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Strange that Slarty Bartfast hasn't weighed in on this yet. Seems like just the sort of thing that would get him wound up.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 12:09 AM on June 6, 2011 [4 favorites]


I'd personally like an auto-killfile for everyone that decides to circlejerk and joke around as soon as they feel no more discussion should be made in a metatalk thread

I think it's a natural consequence of the formality of metatalk being the lowest in the pyramid.

At any rate, it is rare for a new perspective or argument to be advanced after the first x amount of posts. A consensus seems to build fairly quickly on what is or isn't a good argument and once that point is reached what else is there to do?
posted by oxford blue at 12:31 AM on June 6, 2011


edgeways: "Just about 75% of all communication is "self serving noise".. hell that might even be a higher %. It's all either communicating facts or calling attention to oneself, sometimes both at once."

Did you know 72% of tweets on Twitter get no response?
posted by IndigoRain at 12:39 AM on June 6, 2011


As someone learning a new language way too fucking late in life I can attest that, though "Just about 75% of all communication is "self serving noise" it has a cumulative effect that is both desirable and necessary.

Also, this feature would kill metafilter because, as DarlingBri put it absolutely best, "it's a cocktail party" and having been at one time or another almost every single kind of guest one can be at a cocktail party, well, the shit also works as fertilizer. I know, that made less sense than I wanted it to which means I have to get back to work. In a minute.
posted by From Bklyn at 1:27 AM on June 6, 2011


Anyone who's used a Greasemonkey killfile thing-- can you still see a killfiled user's FPPs? Or what?

I had to eventually turn mine off - I had stuff from my nemesis in my inbox and it screwed up the display of that page. YMMV.
posted by Meatbomb at 2:06 AM on June 6, 2011


This may be interesting. (It mainly talks about hellbanning, but that seems similar to me, somehow.)
posted by seanyboy at 2:42 AM on June 6, 2011


I'm going to install the Greasemonkey script and killfile everyone on here who wants this feature.

No, I'm actually not. I wouldn't even killfile St. Alia of the Bunnies or Ironmouth, no matter how often I disagree with them.
posted by dunkadunc at 3:16 AM on June 6, 2011


You people asking for a killfile.. have you ever actually had one? Just curious. I've /ignored people on IRC, and greasemonkeyed away people on various websites, and had an actual killfile for Usenet (where the term originates). It's an obvious solution to a common problem (people pissing you right off), and no doubt really satisfying in the short-term. Yes. Except..

Except it's a horrible solution. The person doesn't actually go away, is the thing. They are there, totally ignorant of your ignoring them, saying the same things. And people respond to it. You see those responses, devoid of context, huge holes appear in conversation. You'll find yourself being confused and removing the filter just to figure out what is going on.

Honestly, having a killfile is more irritating than the stuff irritating people say. It's much better just to figure out a way to deal with them. Like, just not letting it keep you up at night.
posted by cj_ at 3:20 AM on June 6, 2011 [6 favorites]


Back in the day, killfiles were actually necessary on (unmoderated) Usenet. You know, for trolls. I don't consider the folks I disagree with trolls.
posted by likeso at 3:53 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I guess Fnord thread is pretty close to finished, Fnord it seems like an Fnord Fnord unjustified Fnord.
posted by anotherpanacea at 3:58 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I turn my killfile on every now and again. It's 2011, but having CSS-driven holes made in web pages still breaks just about every web browser's ability to scroll to specific comments via the anchor tag. So I end up having to turn the killfile off just to be able to get basic browser functionality back. It's kind of ironic, having to remove a filter for all the bilge, just to get to the stuff from people I respect.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 4:00 AM on June 6, 2011


I turn my killfile on every now and again. It's 2011, but having CSS-driven holes made in web pages still breaks just about every web browser's ability to scroll to specific comments via the anchor tag. So I end up having to turn the killfile off just to be able to get basic browser functionality back. It's kind of ironic, having to remove a filter for all the bilge, just to get to the stuff from people I respect.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:17 AM on June 6, 2011 [5 favorites]


HA! Blazecock Pileon and Potomac Avenue are one and the same!
posted by dunkadunc at 4:18 AM on June 6, 2011


The singularity has commenced!
posted by oxford blue at 4:21 AM on June 6, 2011


Did a cat sneeze?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 4:23 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


something something friends something also QED something Clark Kent Superman something something singularity something

on preview, what oxford blue said
posted by likeso at 4:23 AM on June 6, 2011


Back in the day, killfiles were actually necessary on (unmoderated) Usenet

Yeah I glossed over that in a big way. It's an inconvenient fact for the point I'm trying to make, but I also thing it's irrelevant. Metafilter is nothing like UseNet. It's moderated, for one. For two, people have a say in that moderation process.
posted by cj_ at 4:25 AM on June 6, 2011


cj_, that's what I was implying. Killfiles are not only unnecessary on Metafilter, they'd defeat its purpose.
posted by likeso at 4:28 AM on June 6, 2011


This is a great thread.
posted by Sebmojo at 4:35 AM on June 6, 2011


I don't understand why people who don't like certain users' contributions just don't read their stuff. This "I want to physically censor this person out of existence" thing strikes me as snotty, and not a little creepy. Just don't read their stuff if it bothers you that much.
posted by Decani at 4:36 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Without casting any judgement on either side of either argument, I strongly suspect there's a decent overlap between people who want to block certain users' contributions and people who care about whether or not posts are "good for MetaFilter", should be deleted, etc etc. It's just harder for some than others to ignore things they don't like.
posted by SpiffyRob at 4:42 AM on June 6, 2011


It's not as if scrolling past even long passages of text requires too much effort. "Oh, but I must flick my finger a fraction of an inch TWO TIMES for that guy's unending messages!"
posted by crunchland at 4:49 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Artw: "irregardless"

This isn't really a word, is it?
posted by Grither at 4:50 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I, too, would like to see an iPhone browser that supports Greasemonkey scripts.
posted by box at 4:56 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


It seems like I block about a third of my Facebook friends from my feed but the odd thing is that I tend to like you guys more than a lot of my actual IRL friends.
posted by octothorpe at 5:19 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Is it just me, or is something about a kill file like a carebare stare (XKCD)?
posted by titanium_geek at 5:25 AM on June 6, 2011


One, crystallize some of the arguments that happen in basically every thread, and then find a way to get users to stop rehashing their favorite argument if it's already on the Things We Disagree About wiki.

Dude, I had a sweet idea for a website.
posted by Jpfed at 5:29 AM on June 6, 2011


mdevore: "But if somebody did it, message filtering and many other officially server-side rejected ideas would be pretty simple enhancements. I mean, if a developer wanted an app which was unique among the 500K already existing in the App Store, MetaFilter-specific is an untapped idea. Got a preexisting customer base. Not that I'm suggesting anything to any random hungry developer out there"

*plonk*
posted by idiopath at 5:39 AM on June 6, 2011


I don't understand why people who don't like certain users' contributions just don't read their stuff. This "I want to physically censor this person out of existence" thing strikes me as snotty, and not a little creepy. Just don't read their stuff if it bothers you that much.

It's because the "posted by" line is at the end. So you read a comment and it seems pretty reasonable, and then you see it says "posted by Decani" and go: "What? Fuck! I better read that comment again. Yeah, hmm, wrong about everything. What a jerk. Typical."

Having to read the thing twice to remember to get upset about it is really inconvenient. Moving the posted by line to the top of the comment would be at least 50% as good as a kill file, so how about we do that?
posted by FishBike at 5:53 AM on June 6, 2011 [12 favorites]


Our sympathies, but this is in the "never going to happen" bucket.

What else you got in that bucket? Please make sure that "marxchivist gets a date with a girl" didn't get put in there by mistake or something.
posted by marxchivist at 6:18 AM on June 6, 2011 [6 favorites]


One of the things I like most about MetaFilter is that in many ways it attempts to use the internet and its associated technologies to be a version of real life. Not a better version, not the Web 2.0 version, but as close as possible to a bunch of people in a room, having a conversation, with the added bonus of being able to instantly reference the accumulated media of the internet with no extra effort.

Well, part of real life is that if someone is in the room, you can't delete them from your reality. There they are. Deal with it. Maybe dealing with it means ignoring them--well-adjusted people do this sort of thing all the time--but even ignoring them means acknowledging their existence to the point of making space for them, physically and mentally. You don't necessarily have to talk to them, or spend any time listening to what they say, but the things they say actually happen and have an effect on others (and you!), and that has to be taken into account.

This requires maturity and a certain amount of virtue (in the classical sense). Which really is the best thing about this place: the mods pretty uniformly resist the temptation to implement technical solutions to problems which boil down to failures of virtue. Sure, they delete a few comments, but they do so on a case-by-case basis without imposing any kind of technological prior restraint. They do ban people, but except for things like spam and self-linking, only after going back-and-forth with them about the problematic behavior.

There are certain users on this site whose absence I would not mind at all. Some of them are pretty active. So on an almost daily basis, I have to do some version of "Dammit, that guy posted yet another [x] post," or "Hey, [y] is playing to type in going off about [z] again." Every time I see that, I have to decide whether to respond, and if so, how to do so in such a way that will benefit everyone involved. A lot of the time that means not responding. And that's good for me, because I, as a person, have the tendency to say things when I shouldn't. The rest of the time, it means I have to take my time and compose a genuine answer. And that too is good for me.

Killfiles create the illusion that we can delete certain people from our world. But we can't. And you know what? Having to deal with those people who drive us nuts makes us better people. That's right: MetaFilter is structured in such a way that participation has the possibility of improving the moral character of its user base. How many sites on the internet can say that?
posted by valkyryn at 6:25 AM on June 6, 2011 [32 favorites]


Okay, show of hands -- who else thinks this thread is about themselves?
posted by empath at 6:27 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


I'd show my hand, but then you'd all know what I was planning next.
posted by oxford blue at 6:33 AM on June 6, 2011


Artw: "irregardless"

This isn't really a word, is it?


Ennui forfends even the lifting of the hand to light the Languagehat beam.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:40 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Valkyryn, that's a great comment. I knew that commenting on the blue frequently helps me clear out weak assumptions I've made. I didn't realize it was making me a better person. (No, really, you see the comments I don't post.)
posted by benito.strauss at 6:47 AM on June 6, 2011


I hadn't really thought that lengthy, detailed comments made the mobile experience less pleasant - sorry about that, mobile dudes!

I think it's a feature rather than a bug, though. The request to have an optimised New Post functionality for the mobile view has come up within my time here, and been declined, on the grounds that the mobile site is primarily for browsing. Presumably altering the browsing experience would also mess with that emphasis.

Personally, I very rarely leave the "recently updated" view on the mobile view, which truncates comments. Possibly for the best, since the one time I tried to post on the mobile site the enforced brevity was read as snottiness; possibly you can't please everyone.
posted by running order squabble fest at 6:54 AM on June 6, 2011


This is a community where only the mods are plonk-enabled. It's called banning.

At Metafilter we encourage people to listen to and try to understand views that they don't agree with. Giving individuals the power to create their own custom plonk-lists would break down the community nature of the discussion here. I'm afraid it would lead us towards the path of "first!" and "ditto!". We don't need that.

All that said, temporarily eliding the posts by certain prolific users could create some humorous one-sided discussions. But that's another thing altogether.
posted by alms at 6:55 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I don't understand what's going on in this thread!! I killfiled half the users here and now every single thread is highly disjointed and nonsensical! I guess I'll just post a recipe because people will just killfil me for whatever I say and having a conversation with other people on the internet is bullshit unless they totally agree with me.
posted by fuq at 6:59 AM on June 6, 2011


Also: I couldn't get the answer to my ask.mefi because I killfiled the person who had the experience to provide the best answer.
posted by fuq at 7:05 AM on June 6, 2011 [5 favorites]


Okay but we can still have threaded comments right
posted by shakespeherian at 7:14 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Okay, show of hands -- who else thinks this thread is about themselves?

Alright, show of hands, who else thought this thread was about empath?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:22 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


*joke about having killfiled empath already*
posted by shakespeherian at 7:32 AM on June 6, 2011


*joke about having killfiled empath already, coincidental mention of killfiling shakespeherian*
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:56 AM on June 6, 2011


I thought it was about Warren Beatty.
posted by Etrigan at 7:59 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


*joke about having killfiled empath already, coincidental mention of killfiling shakespeherian*

Ah go be married somewhere.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:08 AM on June 6, 2011


Also: I couldn't get the answer to my ask.mefi because I killfiled the person who had the experience to provide the best answer.

That also can work in reverse. I don't know how many times I've gone to the hospital because Artw told me not to eat something, and I'm all, 'Fuck that guy, I'm so eating these leaves I found in the eavestrough now!'
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:11 AM on June 6, 2011


I BE MARRIED EVERYWHERE.
posted by SpiffyRob at 8:20 AM on June 6, 2011 [9 favorites]


Ignore features just don't work, someone will always quote whoever it is that you want to block.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 8:38 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Well, part of real life is that if someone is in the room, you can't delete them from your reality.

Foolish mortals, with your static realities. If your reality isn't CSS-enabled, it's almost a waste of bytes.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:43 AM on June 6, 2011


I prefer killsmiles.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 8:46 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


What's the human equivalent of acclimating hostile cats by dousing them with cans of tunafish and locking them up together?

Can we do that with those who want killfiles?
posted by desuetude at 8:51 AM on June 6, 2011


Foolish mortals, with your static realities. If your reality isn't CSS-enabled, it's almost a waste of bytes.

I am getting so tired of you IRLML5 zealots.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:53 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


I prefer killsmiles.

Who can kill a user with a smile
who can take MeTa thread and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile...
posted by jonmc at 8:54 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


I know this thread has made me into "Mister Killfile", and there's nothing I can do about that, but I want everyone to know that I only killfile one person, and I've only been doing it for a couple of months.

This is my ninth summer here. I've been through Steve at Linwood, ParisParamus, hama7, Steven Den Beste, and many others, and I was never driven to hide anyone's comments until this person came along and racked up almost 10,000 comments in under three years on the main site alone. So every once in awhile, someone responds to a post I didn't see. Big deal. I don't feel like I'm missing anything at all by blocking this asshole's comments.

For those who have suggested that I should just limit my mobile metafilter reading, I do! I look at metafilter maybe once every other week on my iPod Touch because this person is so ubiquitous. Just skipping over this poster's comments is hard to do when they're four of the first ten comments in a post I want to read.

Obviously this is an unpopular idea. Sorry.
posted by interrobang at 9:05 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


The ugliest thing about killfiles is a person's need to talk about their personal killfile.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:09 AM on June 6, 2011 [8 favorites]


almost 10,000 comments in under three years on the main site alone

Oh thank god it's not me.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:10 AM on June 6, 2011


I don't think it's me either.
posted by jonmc at 9:12 AM on June 6, 2011


hama7? In with those guys?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:13 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Probably DU.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 9:13 AM on June 6, 2011


It's probably cortex.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:16 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


♫ I knooow whooo it is!♫

Hint: They have not contributed to this thread.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:16 AM on June 6, 2011


Come on, Interrobang, you can't start this thread and then drop hints about who you're blocking without just outright saying it and letting the grars commence. You're being a tease.
posted by Rory Marinich at 9:18 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


interrobang: "...until this person came along and racked up almost 10,000 comments in under three years on the main site alone. "

That particular user (I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about,) also has contributed more than 200 posts across three subsites and has spearheaded at least two efforts to support MeFites in need.

If you don't like them, that's okay. But they're not a troll, and they're certainly not all noise.
posted by zarq at 9:19 AM on June 6, 2011


zarq: “That particular user (I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about,) also has contributed more than 200 posts across three subsites and has spearheaded at least two efforts to support MeFites in need.”

Well I'm pretty sure interrobang is talking about somebody completely different, someone who's twenty posts shy of 200 and someone who has been noted on this site as being a very prolific commenter. But of course we've all been wrong before.
posted by koeselitz at 9:22 AM on June 6, 2011


Did you know 72% of tweets on Twitter get no response?

Come on, I don't tweet that much.
posted by never used baby shoes at 9:22 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


MOMMY AND DADDY ARE FIGHTING AGAIN
posted by shakespeherian at 9:24 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Rory Marinich: "Come on, Interrobang, you can't start this thread and then drop hints about who you're blocking without just outright saying it and letting the grars commence. You're being a tease."

I doubt that would end well.
posted by zarq at 9:24 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


You're being a tease.

This is basically a line of discussion that should probably end. Interrobang, I'm sorry you don't like this person, but dribbling out details about them so that people twig to who you're talking about is not really okay.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:27 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


This thread is already unwell. It's not like a bunch of people haven't guessed who it is.
posted by Rory Marinich at 9:27 AM on June 6, 2011


oh hi jessamyn
posted by Rory Marinich at 9:27 AM on June 6, 2011


Maybe rather than a true /ignore feature, we could just have a lower threshold for hiding part of a long comment behind a "more..." link on the mobile site, compared to the full one which would always show everything?

E.g., both sites would still show all comments, but the mobile site would truncate after 5k (~700 characters) or something with a link to continue reading. We do something like this already on the search results screen so it seems like the ability is there.

On my old phone, long threads would almost always crash the browser, making it impossible to read something that had more than a few hundred comments anyway. This feature would have saved me there. (My new phone has not had any problems, admittedly.)
posted by Kadin2048 at 9:29 AM on June 6, 2011


Problem is, there's almost no one I'd want to block on every topic. There are posters that I wish I could block every time they posted about a certain subject, but that's a bit more complicated.
posted by spaltavian at 9:30 AM on June 6, 2011


"You've got to tolerate
All those people that you hate
I'm not in love with you
But I won't hold that against you"

(youtube)
posted by WalkingAround at 9:31 AM on June 6, 2011


But they're not a troll, and they're certainly not all noise

After a certain point, though, doesn't the quantity we're talking about here become a form of noise, regardless of the quality of the individual posts? Personally, I think so...but that's just my opinion.
posted by Ian A.T. at 9:31 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


You've got to diagnose all your medical problems
You've got to diagnose all your medical problems
You've got to diagnose all your medical problems
Or you will die
posted by shakespeherian at 9:35 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]




Well, that's one way to keep from having to interact with someone you don't care for.

Hopefully it's only temporarily disabled. :(
posted by zarq at 9:38 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


This has kind of spoiled us, I think, because it means, for example, that I don't ever have to talk to a Republican if I don't want to; or an old white man; or a person from Arizona.

Hey, it's the same guy three times!
posted by y2karl at 9:39 AM on June 6, 2011 [11 favorites]


Anybody who wants killfiles, get over yourselves, it's not like all of your comments are diamonds that you shit from your gold-plated cerebellum. Please. We suffer with your shit comments, you suffer with ours.
posted by GuyZero at 9:40 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


OK, now I'm dying to know who interrobang wants to killfile. Oh well.

*throws popcorn away, returns to work*
posted by GuyZero at 9:42 AM on June 6, 2011


Interrobang? WTF, man, are you ok?
posted by loquacious at 9:50 AM on June 6, 2011


Ian A.T.: " After a certain point, though, doesn't the quantity we're talking about here become a form of noise, regardless of the quality of the individual posts? Personally, I think so...but that's just my opinion."

Didn't want to ignore you, but I'm also in agreement with Jessamyn, so I'll just say this and let it go:

Yes, but imo not so much that it outweighs their other contributions.
posted by zarq at 9:50 AM on June 6, 2011


Well, interrobang pretty much identified who it was.

Sometimes taking a break from metafilter is the best thing when you feel that way.

On preview, ditto loquacious.
posted by zennie at 9:53 AM on June 6, 2011


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posted by safetyfork at 9:55 AM on June 6, 2011


interrobang, whatever your reasons, have a nice time off. I took one a while back and it was refreshing. I hope you come back.

Snuggles,
posted by shakespeherian at 9:55 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I kill-filed someone with a greasemonkey script once because every time they said something I tended to flip out at them in an way that was unproductive and out of proportion to what they actually said. After a few months, I turned it off and now I can't even remember who it was. Everyone had been saved the hassle of listening to us bicker pointlessly and all was well with the world.

I wouldn't use it for someone who simply disagreed with me. I would use it again if I had a sort of cross-site, cross-topic vendetta that led to needless pissing matches.

Doesn't need to be part of the site, though. It's better if it's harder to get to.
posted by the young rope-rider at 9:55 AM on June 6, 2011


I feel compelled to comment that popcorn jokes aside, this is really the worst possible outcome. I don't like killfiles but it seems disproportionate for interrobang to effectively ban himself over this. Seriously interrobang, I hope everything is OK with you. I find it hard to believe that a single user's comments were so egregious, but to each his own.
posted by GuyZero at 9:56 AM on June 6, 2011


What happened? I killfiled everyone in the thread with a lower user number than mine.
posted by fuq at 9:56 AM on June 6, 2011


I believe that FlagItAndMoveOn is browser-independent.
posted by tommasz at 9:58 AM on June 6, 2011


I wanted to keep it old-school
posted by fuq at 9:58 AM on June 6, 2011


Check your settings, fuq, I think you're actually tuning out the old fogeys instead.
posted by contraption at 10:01 AM on June 6, 2011


mdevore: "and if one bypassed MetaFilter's ad structure to put in iAds there likely would be a great hue and cry"

For good reason. As someone who contributes content here in part because he's happy to know where the ad revenue goes, I would personally be disinclined to give that support to a random developer.
posted by Apropos of Something at 10:06 AM on June 6, 2011


Once again, it's not me. =(

"All I wanted was a nemesis
Just one nemesis
And he wouldn't give it to me
Just a nemesis"
posted by Eideteker at 10:08 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Maybe interrobang decided that this situation indicated, you know, just time for a break. I have to do this all the time... I never actually closed my account but I give myself frequent time outs of days or weeks. Interactive text can be a helluva drug for a certain mindset. Particularly when I start getting personally irritated by a particular user's contributions, I generally take it as a sign I'm not in a good mindset for participating.

Interrobang is an insider, and knows reinstatement is only an email away, and that the culture here is to generally not hassle people just because they gave themselves a hard time out (or even a few). Some people seem to routinely disable their accounts as a sort of palate cleanser, and more power to them.

I do wonder if there's a point to keeping this open now though.
posted by nanojath at 10:10 AM on June 6, 2011


Another MeTa swallows up its OP.

Who will be next? This string of disabled accounts is crazy.
posted by Admiral Haddock at 10:24 AM on June 6, 2011


I was never driven to hide anyone's comments until this person came along and racked up almost 10,000 comments in under three years on the main site alone.

Whew, I've been here for 6 years.
posted by empath at 10:25 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Moral of the story: If you don't want to become known as "Mr. Killfile", don't make a passive-aggressive callout in MetaTalk in the form of a killfile request.
posted by Trurl at 10:26 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Aw, crud. Hope you have a good break and come back, interrobang. :(


Whew, I've been here for 6 years.

Yeah, this thread needs to close now.
posted by zennie at 10:28 AM on June 6, 2011


flatluigi writes "if you're done with a thread, just move on instead of starting up an alphabet game or some other shit like that"

The mods have been cracking down on this. Notice the lack of recipe thread shitting lately?

Grither writes "This isn't really a word, is it?"

It's interesting to me that a word that has been floating around for a hundred years and is well defined can be considered to be not a word. Wikipedia has a big write up on it and it seems to boil down to the people who care about this stuff don't like irregular words. I can understand that but their heads must asplode on a regular basis as loan words are managled as they are added to English.

marxchivist i writes "What else you got in that bucket? Please make sure that 'marxchivist gets a date with a girl' didn't get put in there by mistake or something."
  • threaded comments
  • pagination
  • Public display of flags
  • Down voting
  • Leader boards
  • Use of the word experiment to describe a temporary change to the site
  • Changing the canonical user page URL from the number to their name
  • A built in queue for AskMe (both autoposting and not)
  • Shorter cycle times for any of the sites
  • Flexible but complicated posting limits (IE:5 questions a month)
  • Notes on disabled user pages detailing if and why they were banned
  • Image TAG
  • kill files
posted by Mitheral at 10:28 AM on June 6, 2011


Which really is the best thing about this place: the mods pretty uniformly resist the temptation to implement technical solutions to problems which boil down to failures of virtue.

I just wanted to say that I like this interpretation, and agree with its sentiment.
posted by Greg Nog at 10:28 AM on June 6, 2011 [7 favorites]


It turns out that I am still here at the bitter end.
posted by Meatbomb at 10:32 AM on June 6, 2011


For good reason. As someone who contributes content here in part because he's happy to know where the ad revenue goes, I would personally be disinclined to give that support to a random developer.

Yup, you've encapsulated the basic problem of an ad-supported approach. Of the two typical ways to get an app developed which serves a need, i.e. ad-supported or pay per unit, neither is well suited to incent development of MetaFilter apps. That puts the task more into the realm of a labor of love, which immediately reduces your potential developer pool by a few orders of magnitude. A free app for a moderately complex site like MetaFilter is an lot of work to take on just for whuffies.

A privately or publicly sponsored incentive based development could work, but if that were going to happen, it probably would have by now.
posted by mdevore at 10:32 AM on June 6, 2011


  • comment editing
posted by empath at 10:33 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


!?
posted by Elmore at 10:36 AM on June 6, 2011



posted by GuyZero at 10:42 AM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


aw, interrobang. I'm gonna miss you.
posted by desjardins at 10:51 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Huh. As flameouts go, that was positively genteel.

I personally don't see a need for a killfile because rolling my eyes at idiots on the internet is important exercise for my orbital muscles. I could crack walnuts with these babies.
posted by Zozo at 10:54 AM on June 6, 2011 [5 favorites]


About two weeks ago I passed 10 years on this site and am somehow below 5000 total comments. I need to HATE harder.
posted by eyeballkid at 11:01 AM on June 6, 2011 [6 favorites]


Admiral Haddock: “Who will be next? This string of disabled accounts is crazy.”

You and I have both been here long enough to know that it's a very, very long string. Remember Ethereal Bligh? I do.

This is the nature of an online community: people come and go. I wish interrobang the best, and he's always welcome, but he got really pissed off at a particular member for almost no reason at all. That sometimes happens; sometimes people get under my skin just by being who they are. But that's no reason to flatly be disgusted at someone and wish they wouldn't interact with anybody else. These are things we either have to get over or move on.
posted by koeselitz at 11:01 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Did interrobang have a deleted comment after the 9:05 one? I feel like I'm missing something.
posted by neuromodulator at 11:02 AM on June 6, 2011


Did interrobang have a deleted comment after the 9:05 one? I feel like I'm missing something.

I don't believe so.
posted by zarq at 11:04 AM on June 6, 2011


neuromodulator: “Did interrobang have a deleted comment after the 9:05 one? I feel like I'm missing something.”

This is Metatalk; hardly anything gets deleted. You might have missed this detail, if it wasn't spelled out: As Alvy Ampersand noted above, interrobang has disabled his account.
posted by koeselitz at 11:04 AM on June 6, 2011


eyeballkid: "About two weeks ago I passed 10 years on this site and am somehow below 5000 total comments. I need to HATE harder."

I look upon my user number, and my total comments, and I feel shame.
posted by ArmyOfKittens at 11:05 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Nobody is going to be fooled when new user "Mister Killfile" turns up in a couple of weeks.
posted by nanojath at 11:06 AM on June 6, 2011 [4 favorites]


I hope that Interrobang is just taking some extra time to draw cartoons of me captioned with the stupid shit I say.

(Seriously, those were hilarious.)
posted by klangklangston at 11:08 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


The username will be: KF‽
posted by zarq at 11:08 AM on June 6, 2011


Yeah, no I didn't miss that part but loquacious' "WTF" made me think I had missed something more overt.
posted by neuromodulator at 11:20 AM on June 6, 2011


I'm sorry that you left, interrobang. Deciding not to continue wading through certain people's shit is not a failure of virtue or whatever on your part, that's for sure. I hope you come back when things are better.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:30 AM on June 6, 2011


I look upon my user number, and my total comments, and I feel shame.

Me neither.
posted by Elmore at 11:31 AM on June 6, 2011


Why is it that nobody wants a <rainbow> tag?

It'd be very helpful for <rainbow>pony</rainbow> threads and other important matters.
posted by mccarty.tim at 11:33 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


A built in queue for AskMe (both autoposting and not)
Quiet! Everytime someone posts that MetaTalk, I get like 100 favorites...

posted by Ian A.T. at 11:37 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


"marxchivist i writes"

Oh man, now I'm totally curious what your note about marxchivist says. And who else you have notes about.

You know, while we're talking about people's personal browsing experiences and all-but naming names.

JR, hope you have a restful break. Come back when you're 100%! I'll miss you otherwise!
posted by Eideteker at 11:42 AM on June 6, 2011


I would bet 4-9 % of eyeballkids comments have 'hate' in them, wait...of the total words typed, 3-7% are 'hate'.
posted by clavdivs at 11:52 AM on June 6, 2011


Hey, just in case you are still reading, interrobang, I didn't mean my short comment to come down as rude or overtly dismissive. Hoping you are doing well, and not taking anything too seriously from in here, once it was clear that this is not something that would "solve" the particular problem, I thought humor would be an ok way of expressing why I felt it was not a workable idea. I definitely saw nothing wrong with your raising the topic.
I saw several things about it that ran counter to what seemed like requirements for the continued smooth operation of the site (the inevitable "who said that", and then five meta-comments noting that X said that, and then establishing that that person has killfiles. Also the problem of once your 'nemesis' inevitably has people engage them, it becomes possibly "more" of a tick-off, like someone else noted, then you would have to turn it off to see what they said... just so you could participate, which puts the person you sought to ignore on a pedestal, rather than in a box under the bed; which is more time spent on someone you have issues with.

Hopefully no rough feelings anywhere around.

How bout Life-Files? You choose who gets to see your commentary from a list (reinventing the twitter). We could all celebrate Life-Day once a year, where everyone trades contacts, and gets to add three new recievers!
posted by infinite intimation at 11:55 AM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


> We could all celebrate Life-Day once a year

I'm a rabid Wookieist, and I can't abide in this.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 11:57 AM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


"Life Day! Renew! Renew!"
posted by nanojath at 12:20 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I second that interrobang makes good art and we could do with more of that.
posted by LobsterMitten at 12:25 PM on June 6, 2011 [5 favorites]


For the record I want a killfile too, but jessamyn said no.

I don't even remember who was getting me all heated up, but it was starting to make me mad even when I was away from the site. I think I took a month off after that (self imposed).

I would still like it, but I understand the reasons against it.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:04 PM on June 6, 2011


I don't even remember who was getting me all heated up

Which is a great reason not to have a killfile. You can obtain perspective from having to deal with people you don't like.
posted by desjardins at 1:12 PM on June 6, 2011


Hope me. I can't stand not knowing!
posted by Crabby Appleton at 1:22 PM on June 6, 2011


I'm hoping you so hard right now.
posted by neuromodulator at 1:44 PM on June 6, 2011


fuck
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 1:44 PM on June 6, 2011


desjardins: " Which is a great reason not to have a killfile. You can obtain perspective from having to deal with people you don't like."

Agreed.

Heh. I have the opposite problem. I often find it impossible to remember why I wrote a note about someone using the UserNotes script. It's all well and good to hover over someone's name and see, "Amazing person. Wonderful heart." or "The King of Hilarious One Liners" but I suck at remembering what prompted me to write that down. :P
posted by zarq at 1:44 PM on June 6, 2011


I wanted this feature once, but then wfrgms finally got banned. Problem solved!
posted by EatTheWeak at 1:46 PM on June 6, 2011


As I see it, why not just read slashdot, youtube, yahoo answers or 4chan /b/ if the quality of certain members don't meet your exacting specifications? All four of those are renowned for thoughtful, quality conversations without any showboating by individual members.

I've been reading the site since ~2001. I can't think of anyone who I'd like to killfile. Certain people have annoyed me occasionally, but I usually forget it by the next day. Besides, reading the snipes of arch-rivals who have hated each other for years is a large part of the joy of MeTa, though I think it should stay here and off the rest of the site.

Next up: B!
posted by double block and bleed at 1:49 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


man, most of the time I can't remember people's gender, let alone remember that I don't like them.
posted by desjardins at 2:18 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Thanks for all the hope! Not you, neuromodulator.
posted by Crabby Appleton at 2:25 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Man, when I hear these names, like wfrgms or sixcolors, I feel really bad that I wasn't around to see them for myself.
posted by Rory Marinich at 2:27 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


You know who else I feel really bad that I wasn't around to see for myself?
posted by Horselover Phattie at 2:30 PM on June 6, 2011


Migs?
posted by shakespeherian at 2:37 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Ghostbusters 2?
posted by klangklangston at 2:39 PM on June 6, 2011


No, thanks, I just ate.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:41 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Jesus?
posted by box at 2:41 PM on June 6, 2011


Yes, it was Jesus!
posted by Horselover Phattie at 2:42 PM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


I was here and I still don't know who wfgrms or whatever was.
posted by Eideteker at 2:44 PM on June 6, 2011


You know who else was Jesus?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:45 PM on June 6, 2011


RoboJesus?
posted by shakespeherian at 2:45 PM on June 6, 2011


Raptor Jesus?
posted by GuyZero at 2:46 PM on June 6, 2011


RoboRaptor Jesus?
posted by shakespeherian at 2:47 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, when I hear these names, like wfrgms or sixcolors, I feel really bad that I wasn't around to see them for myself.

I've ...read things you newbies wouldn't believe.

Chatfilter AskMe on fire in the dead of night.

I watched gender threads explode in the dark near the goat.ce.

All those moments are there, like flies on a deuce, thanks to Google. Time to switch to another tab and search.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:48 PM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


goat.ce

Meme Deputy badge hereby revoked.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:52 PM on June 6, 2011 [4 favorites]


I think the 'c' was an ASCII picture of the wedding ring.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:54 PM on June 6, 2011


Eideteker: "I was here and I still don't know who wfgrms or whatever was."

It's actually wfrgms. He was banned here. Subsequent comments in the thread explain why.
posted by zarq at 2:54 PM on June 6, 2011


I turn my killfile on every now and again. It's 2011, but having CSS-driven holes made in web pages still breaks just about every web browser's ability to scroll to specific comments via the anchor tag. So I end up having to turn the killfile off just to be able to get basic browser functionality back. It's kind of ironic, having to remove a filter for all the bilge, just to get to the stuff from people I respect.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:17 AM on June 6 [3 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]


Even though I know I'm not going to be able to tell why I favorited it.
posted by herbplarfegan at 2:54 PM on June 6, 2011


He didn't make Chief Wiggum proud that day, to be sure.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 2:56 PM on June 6, 2011


In the end the world must burn. If it will not burn itself, we must burn it.
posted by aramaic at 2:56 PM on June 6, 2011


Oh man, that's the "shitting dicknipples" thread, too.
posted by zarq at 2:59 PM on June 6, 2011


Meme Deputy badge hereby revoked.

I've arrested things you wouldn't believe...
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:04 PM on June 6, 2011


dammmmit, I hope it's just a short breather, interrobang.
posted by madamjujujive at 3:08 PM on June 6, 2011


Oh man, that's the "shitting dicknipples" thread, too.

I like to refer to it as the cockburger thread, personally.
posted by elizardbits at 3:11 PM on June 6, 2011


Metafilter: We suffer with your shit comments, you suffer with ours.
posted by herbplarfegan at 3:22 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, when I hear these names, like wfrgms or sixcolors, I feel really bad that I wasn't around to see them for myself.

It's always weird to read these threads and see the names of people you've actually met in real life. wfrgms was fine in person, a generally affable dude. I have no idea what happened when he logged into the site.
posted by adamdschneider at 3:32 PM on June 6, 2011


I totally don't get the "I hate this person's comments so much that I must never see anything they ever say again" people... and I'd consider myself toward the easily offended, sensitive side of the spectrum.
posted by tehloki at 3:44 PM on June 6, 2011


I'm still curious about this sixcolors person.

In a past life, before I had any clue about what MeFi was, I paid $5 to walk onto the blue as a very inaccurate represenation of myself, made a lot of noise-- mostly in MeTa, in fact-- and was reassured that I still hadn't hit bottom; someone mentioned sixcolors as sort of a measuring stick for trolling and flaming and such.

I'm glad to be the immortal sockpuppet of that first MeFi ghost of myself, but.. I'm fascinated to hear more about sixcolors-- it sounds like those were some wild wtf-ridden times.
posted by herbplarfegan at 3:46 PM on June 6, 2011


I dislike all this smug "Oh yeah, I know who he's talking about." it's very high school in/out crowd.
posted by oxford blue at 3:48 PM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


sixcolors' saga was far more boring than folks are making it out to be and as was pointed out upthread, you can just search for it. As far as I remember, nothing was deleted (well, nothing that wasn't linked to elsewhere) so go for it.

Also, I really feel old when people like wfrgms and sixcolors are held up as the Immortal Bans or whatever. I haven't even been on Metafilter that long compared to some, so thanks a bunch guys.

Anywho, another vote for closing this thread.
posted by librarylis at 4:00 PM on June 6, 2011


Eideteker writes "Oh man, now I'm totally curious what your note about marxchivist says. And who else you have notes about."

The only thing I use usernotes for is username pronouncations and origins. EG: desjardins (day-ZHAR-din), Kadin2048 (Kay-dihn : The "2048" is silent. It's a little-known grammatical rule.) and marxchivist (previous post on Marx army men and playsets) are the only users in this thread with a user note. Weird I never noticed Metafilthy including that marker in the quotes before, I'll have to watch that.
posted by Mitheral at 4:02 PM on June 6, 2011


sixcolor's issue was, IIRC, abuse of Ask more than anything else. He/she asked a lot of weird, unanswerable questions over and over. That was about it.
posted by GuyZero at 4:03 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, when I hear these names, like wfrgms or sixcolors, I feel really bad that I wasn't around to see them for myself.

Man, Rory joined after sixcolors? Weird. Makes me feel, like, old. She joined a few months before I did and so her flame out was one of the first I watched. Was some fascinating internet reading, but kind of weird. She was just a bit younger than me so she sort of seemed like someone's kooky younger sibling or something.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 4:23 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, not even a note on how my username is pronounced? (#1 question I get at meetups)

I'm so not even a C-list MeFite =(

"Soooooome daaaaaaay, my nemesis will coooooooooooome..." *snif*

(and yes, I was totally bringing that to your attention)
posted by Eideteker at 4:27 PM on June 6, 2011


So, uh, how do you pronounce it?
posted by stoneweaver at 4:40 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


If you haven't participated in a pronouncations or origins thread or if you have and your username is pronounced how it sounds then I don't have a note.
posted by Mitheral at 4:47 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, not even a note on how my username is pronounced? (#1 question I get at meetups)

Incidentally, I wonder if name pronunciation anxiety is just really common. I thought my username was self-evident, but I've gotten a lot of questions about it (no, it's not pronounced like the soup). But then, I get spelling questions about my last name, which is a cardinal direction.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 4:49 PM on June 6, 2011


It's not pronounced like the soup?! Aw dammit, I felt so clever.
posted by Neofelis at 5:14 PM on June 6, 2011


|ˈäksfərdˌ bloō|
posted by oxford blue at 5:17 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


That would be more delicious, but less nerdy (it rhymes with Obi Wan Kenobi; the spelling is how it was rendered in written form in childhood sisterly teasing).
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 5:18 PM on June 6, 2011


Pah, y'all are pikers! I actually had e-mail exchanges with Son_Of_Minya, back in the day.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 5:28 PM on June 6, 2011


I've exchanged emails with fold_and_mutilate. So there, noob.
posted by jonmc at 5:37 PM on June 6, 2011


I, uh... I had tea with Matt's grade school teacher.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:38 PM on June 6, 2011


Pfft. I exchanged telegrams with Minya.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:38 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


Too slow!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:39 PM on June 6, 2011


I have been here five years and I have only 10 posts on the blue.

I suck at profligacy.
posted by winna at 5:42 PM on June 6, 2011


This is weird. I thought interrobang was gone well before this thread. Deja vu, I guess.

I'm glad this isn't something MetaFilter would implement, but I'm sympathetic with the urge for it. I don't think anyone bugs me too much on here.
posted by ODiV at 5:44 PM on June 6, 2011


Too slow!

I know, that's why we invented the telephone.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:46 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I actually had e-mail exchanges with Son_Of_Minya, back in the day.

Oh yeah? u.n. owen e-mail recipients, represent, represent.
posted by furiousthought at 5:52 PM on June 6, 2011 [1 favorite]


I got my mail from League of Nations Owen.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:56 PM on June 6, 2011 [8 favorites]


Today I learned the soup is not pronounced "foe".
posted by adamdschneider at 6:27 PM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


I figured you just liked Star Wars AND soup.
posted by Neofelis at 6:34 PM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


I actually amputated Grandfather_of_Minya's gangrenous hand back in the Civil War, also known as WW0.

(which is pronounced "dubya dubya ought")
posted by Eideteker at 7:23 PM on June 6, 2011


And there's actually a glut of information—a surfeit, if you will—on how to pronounce my username in my MetaChat profile.
posted by Eideteker at 7:24 PM on June 6, 2011


I've thought about it and now I think we should get this, but with a few modifications. It should be an option like a contact list, except it's a no-contact list. Just like the contact list everybody has the ability to see who you killfiled. It's all on the up and up. There should also be a modifier to that persons name so that it stands right out that they like to shield themselves from other people.
I think something like this would nice: (P.o.B.)
If they used it more, like say, for five people: ((P.o.B.))
Twenty five: (((P.o.B.)))
One hundred: ((((P.o.B.)))) and so on.
You see the shields? Yeah, right! It's like Metafilter is hugging them. Ignore the fact it looks like some echo chamber type effect. Sure some people may have ten hugs or more around their name, and some people may be jealous because they get so many hugs, but in the end everyone gets the option/choice to protect their sanity with their very own shields! I for one would use it.

Oh, and it should cost $20(sait) to activate.
posted by P.o.B. at 7:50 PM on June 6, 2011


Come back when you can, interrobang. You've contributed far too much for a silly meta thread to define your reputation.

I was sucking dick when Rothko was still a drama princess swimming in AlexReynolds' balls.
posted by Dano St at 8:13 PM on June 6, 2011


I dislike all this smug "Oh yeah, I know who he's talking about." it's very high school in/out crowd.

Dislike away, but it was more an expression of excitement that I actually managed to figure something out on my own for once, rather than smug in-crowdism. Non-specific call-outs drive me nuts.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:01 PM on June 6, 2011


Man, Rory joined after sixcolors? Weird. Makes me feel, like, old. She joined a few months before I did and so her flame out was one of the first I watched.

Well now I feel old.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:34 PM on June 6, 2011


sixcolor's issue was, IIRC, abuse of Ask more than anything else. He/she asked a lot of weird, unanswerable questions over and over. That was about it.

That's about right.

And really it was a two-way road - MetaFilter just couldn't deal with her. (I think sixcolors was a woman, AFAIR.)

I've met many zanier, weirder and just generally more irritatingly wacky people, but I usually had to be in the parking lot of a Grateful Dead show and actively looking for an ice cold veggie burrito or a magic brownie to find them.

Hell, I'm probably weirder than she was. But despite all the story telling I do I don't talk about everything in my life or how weird I really am. I do have some restraint and I'm not *trying* to be weird. But I somehow I mostly get by because I'm good at telling those stories or something.

If anything sixcolors getting banned is partially a collective failure of MeFi. People just couldn't deal with her question and use of AskMe. She couldn't deal with the incredulity of the collective response to questions like "I want to sell food out of the trunk of my car" and seemed to revel in the chaos, spectatorism and drama that she created, so... oil and water under the bridge, I suppose.
posted by loquacious at 9:34 PM on June 6, 2011 [3 favorites]


"Having to deal with those people who drive us nuts makes us better people. That's right: MetaFilter is structured in such a way that participation has the possibility of improving the moral character of its user base."

MetaFilter has definitely made me more open-minded and tolerant of opposing viewpoints than I was pre-MetaFilter.
posted by Jacqueline at 9:53 PM on June 6, 2011


I do have some restraint and I'm not *trying* to be weird.

We're all weird—and special, and crazy and fit for some degree of medication—but restraint is the key thing. There have been times in certainly my history with the site, but I suspect many others, where that restraint has not always been exercised.

Of the names of the worst of the worst given above, I only remember Steven Den Beste—but I don't remember them being particularly bad, or perhaps whatever mischief they caused was coincident with mine.
posted by oxford blue at 9:54 PM on June 6, 2011


MetaFilter has definitely made me more open-minded and tolerant of opposing viewpoints than I was pre-MetaFilter.

oh yeah, me too.

But the fuckers are still wrong.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:56 PM on June 6, 2011 [4 favorites]


Not that it matters 'cause this ain't my site, but I'm glad there's no block button. I find that there are plenty of Mefites I agree with sometimes and disagree with at other times. They're generally the ones who challenge my own preconceptions the most. That's why I like it here.
posted by smirkette at 10:24 PM on June 6, 2011 [2 favorites]


Our sympathies, but this is in the "never going to happen" bucket.

it's in the "never gonna happen" BUCKET!
here's your CORN, muthafucka, now SHUCK IT!
here's your CHICKEN, chucky cheese, now PLUCK IT!
i'll take a SWING atcha fool, now DUCK IT!

BUCKET!
SHUCK IT!
PLUCK IT!
DUCK IT!
FUCK IT!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:08 AM on June 7, 2011 [4 favorites]


I'm using a Greasemonkey killfile script. There, I said it. There are only (I think) 5 people in it, and they're in it because they ruin the Metafilter Experience™ for me. A couple of people have said upthread that facing these people would expand my worldview, or make me a better person or something. But I've never found that to be the case. On the odd occasion that Greasemonkey is disabled and I read the site, I find myself being annoyed by these people, not thinking "wow, this individual is actually right". It's the same individuals, over and over.

And it's not because they disagree with me. Lots of people do that, and that's fine. Challenges are how we grow, etc. Oftentimes, it's just something about their manner or they way they post or don't offer constructive help (I spend 97% of my time on the Green, rather than the Blue). Occasionally, I view their posts as just static.

And it's not like I saw one post by one individual and decided to add them to the killfile. In my experience, it was consistently X enough to make me feel that I didn't want to have that X in front of my eyeballs. I don't think anyone on the list is anyone that I've ever interacted with on the site.

I'm not trying to judge people for what they say on the site. I'm not trying to silence anyone in their entirety. If they want to discuss something with someone else, then I really have no opinion on that matter at all. Someone else may or may not be happy to engage with that person, and that's their affair. I don't want to deal with it, myself. And I find it so much easier to not have their comments available to me to read than to see who has posted each comment before I read it.

If someone wants to walk away, as it were, from me too, then I have no problem with that either. I'm not everyone's cup of tea, I'm sure. It wouldn't do for us all to be alike. I wonder if some people who are against the idea of a killfile are against it because they wouldn't want it to be used on them? I don't know, it's just something that occurred to me.

So yeah, I would love this feature, even though it's not going to be instigated. I'm a big believer in making life easy for oneself, and having a good time while one is here. If someone, through no fault of their own, can push my buttons, then I'm perfectly fine with just walking away from that. Because being around that doesn't help me grow as a person. It just pisses me off. And there are enough things in life that I have no control over that piss me off. If there's something I can do to have a better time, then I'm going to do it. I don't think that putting my hand repeatedly on a hot stove is going to teach me anything other than not to touch the stove and give me a very sore hand. The end result is the same, but if I just don't touch the stove in the first instance, I won't get burned.
posted by Solomon at 3:44 AM on June 7, 2011 [7 favorites]


interrobang: Obviously this is an unpopular idea. Sorry

That's OK. But it's hardly a mortifying idea and as flameouts go, this thread is decidedly weak sauce, so I'm not sure why you've put yourself in the time-out box.

Does not compute. Please re-enter.
posted by DarlingBri at 5:15 AM on June 7, 2011


This talk of disabling accounts (and I hope you come back, interrobang!) spurred me to take a look at my contact list, and i was surprised to see that Burhanistan has recently pushed the red button. Bummer.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:50 AM on June 7, 2011


I'm glad that the killfile approach is not being considered. There are definitely people here who irritate me to no end (mostly in small ways, rather than making my head explode with anger), but I think it's a package deal. I have taken many short breaks from this site, and probably one of these days I'll decide to hit the delete button and move on, and that's how it should be. This isn't a perfect place, and the same people who consistently annoy me also tend to make the occasional incredibly insightful comment that I would be the poorer for missing.
posted by Forktine at 6:01 AM on June 7, 2011


Huh, yeah. Now that you mention it I haven't seen his name in a while.
posted by adamdschneider at 6:02 AM on June 7, 2011


quonsar. Man that guy was a trouble maker.
posted by Sailormom at 6:17 AM on June 7, 2011


cortex: "Too slow!

I know, that's why we invented the telephone.
"

Undt dat is why we invaded Poland!
posted by Splunge at 6:24 AM on June 7, 2011


flapjax at midnite: "...i was surprised to see that Burhanistan has recently pushed the red button. Bummer."

Shit. Hope that break's temporary too.
posted by zarq at 6:41 AM on June 7, 2011


I've been informed by secretive sources that Burhanistan is fine and is just taking a self-imposed break. He should (probably? hopefully?) be back among the living relatively soon.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:42 AM on June 7, 2011 [4 favorites]


Solomon: "I'm using a Greasemonkey killfile script. There, I said it. There are only (I think) 5 people in it, and they're in it because they ruin the Metafilter Experience™ for me. A couple of people have said upthread that facing these people would expand my worldview, or make me a better person or something. But I've never found that to be the case. On the odd occasion that Greasemonkey is disabled and I read the site, I find myself being annoyed by these people, not thinking "wow, this individual is actually right". It's the same individuals, over and over."

I wonder how many other people have started to reply to this comment, realized they might be one of the five and decided not to bother.
posted by zarq at 6:48 AM on June 7, 2011


shakespeherian: "I've been informed by secretive sources that Burhanistan is fine and is just taking a self-imposed break. He should (probably? hopefully?) be back among the living relatively soon."

Thank you! Glad to hear it.
posted by zarq at 6:48 AM on June 7, 2011


Chiming in to agree with Solomon here. It's not about blocking people who you disagree with, it's about blocking people who are relentlessly irritating to you, who reduce the amount of enjoyment you derive from visiting and participating in the site, who are like potholes in a road when trying to read through a busy thread. I don't feel bad for not liking every single one of the thousands of users on this site, either. Actually, it's shocking that there are only five or so people I would put on 'ignore' if such a function were available. I'm not a more virtuous person for repeatedly hearing how a certain band sucks from one user or listening to the half-assed opinion on absolutely everything from another user who has to get a word in every post.
posted by picea at 7:30 AM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]


I was finally motivated to install diediedead for the reason Solomon mentions: someone seeming to talk too much. Someone I actually tend to agree with and who displayed a generally pleasant personality, but--it seemed to me-- this person was posting every few minutes whether or not his/her contribution was meaningful. It just got to be like the guy next door, running a snowblower at 7:00am on a Saturday. So, diediedead functioned like my earplugs; it helped me power through something irritating without inspiring me to cause any collateral damage. When I upgraded my browser, I didn't carry diediedead over and haven't yet missed it, but I know it's there if I need it.

I find value in a temporary mute button, when it's used judiciously. I understand why the functionality won't be built into the site itself, but I wouldn't vilify someone for wanting it. I never used it for someone I didn't agree with or to create an echo chamber. But then, I read more than I type (I think I do, at any rate).

I miss wfrgms at meet-ups. On metafilter, not so much, and at ask.me not at all, but he's a pretty affable drinking partner. Truly, the internet does odd things to people's personalities.
posted by crush-onastick at 7:46 AM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]


Don't worry, zarq. You're not on the list.
posted by Solomon at 8:21 AM on June 7, 2011


You know who else kept lists? That's right. Hit... uh, Nixon.
posted by crunchland at 8:31 AM on June 7, 2011


This is a useful thread to me, anyway, if for no other reason that I get to add usernames to my "list of people who are not worth talking to because they use killfiles." Seriously, conversation with people who killfile is generally a waste of time, not least because I'm the sort of person that's likely to get killfiled. And this process of confirming that I'm not on the killfile of certain people (which doesn't guarantee that I won't be in the future anyway) is obnoxious and annoying enough that I won't put up with it. So it only seems logical to just avoid talking to people who use killfiles at all as a general rule.
posted by koeselitz at 8:53 AM on June 7, 2011


Count me in for the wfrgms the guy was rad and wfrgms the poster was less rad camp.
posted by SpiffyRob at 8:56 AM on June 7, 2011


And I guess I'd like to request that anyone who maintains a killfile please place me on it; because if I find out you've got one, I'll try to avoid talking to you, and it might make sense if we're both on the same page. You won't be missing much by putting me on your killfile anyway.
posted by koeselitz at 8:58 AM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]


So, koeselitz, you're doing killfiles manually?
posted by adipocere at 8:59 AM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]


I do killfiles with my eyes.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:17 AM on June 7, 2011 [8 favorites]


It's true. If Jessamyn ceases to observe you for too long, you do not exist.
posted by adipocere at 9:19 AM on June 7, 2011 [5 favorites]


I want someone to make a killfile called The Abyss that, instead of hiding killfiled users' content entirely, replaces hidden content with random quotes from, and changes bylines to, Friedrich Nietzsche.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:21 AM on June 7, 2011 [8 favorites]


adipocere: “So, koeselitz, you're doing killfiles manually?”

Just trying to avoid wasting time. It's more than obnoxious to try to converse with someone while wondering if they'll even know you're talking. I refuse to take part in this ridiculous business of killfiling just because you can't stand to look at words on a screen, but since others are doing it, I really don't have any choice but to direct my conversation carefully so that I'm not just unwittingly talking to a blank wall.
posted by koeselitz at 9:22 AM on June 7, 2011


I want someone to make a killfile called The Abyss that, instead of hiding killfiled users' content entirely, replaces hidden content with random quotes from, and changes bylines to, Friedrich Nietzsche.

I'd go with quotes from that James Cameron movie.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:23 AM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]


I want someone to make a killfile called The Abyss that, instead of hiding killfiled users' content entirely, replaces hidden content with random quotes from, and changes bylines to, Friedrich Nietzsche.

Whatever doesn't get you killfiled only makes you stronger.
posted by Trurl at 9:37 AM on June 7, 2011


This is not an original thought, but I forget who said it first: I have no problem with killfiles, so long as the people who use them never, ever comment.
posted by box at 10:06 AM on June 7, 2011


Thus the man who is responsive to artistic stimuli reacts to the reality of dreams as does the philosopher to the reality of existence; he observes closely, and he enjoys his observation: for it is out of these images that he interprets life, out of these processes that he trains himself for life. It is not only pleasant and agreeable images that he experiences with such universal understanding: the serious, the gloomy, the sad and the profound, the sudden restraints, the mockeries of chance, fearful expectations, in short the whole 'divine comedy' of life, the Inferno included, passes before him, not only as a shadow-play—for he too lives and suffers through these scenes—and yet also not without that fleeting sense of illusion; and perhaps many, like myself, can remember calling out to themselves in encouragement, amid the perils and terrors of the dream, and with success: 'It is a dream! I want to dream on!' Just as I have often been told of people who have been able to continue one and the same dream over three and more successive nights: facts which clearly show that our innermost being, our common foundation, experiences dreams with profound pleasure and joyful necessity.
posted by Meatbomb at 10:06 AM on June 7, 2011 [4 favorites]


I stick my fingers in my ears, close my eyes and say "nah nah nah" over and over.
posted by pianomover at 10:30 AM on June 7, 2011


Wir machen es auch im Wachen wie im Traume: wir erfinden und erdichten erst den Menschen, mit dem wir verkehren — und vergessen es sofort.
posted by clavdivs at 10:47 AM on June 7, 2011 [6 favorites]


If anything sixcolors getting banned is partially a collective failure of MeFi. People just couldn't deal with her question and use of AskMe. She couldn't deal with the incredulity of the collective response to questions like "I want to sell food out of the trunk of my car" and seemed to revel in the chaos, spectatorism and drama that she created, so... oil and water under the bridge, I suppose.

I couldn't agree more. Some people really seemed to take her existence personally and lose all self restraint when her name came up. I know she made work for the mods, but it's not like the people responding badly to her weren't complicit in the drama and the work. 6C irritated me but I don't think she was coming from a position of malice or trolling. She reminded me of a lot of unworldly people I know who grow up sheltered and then escape their upbringing (or try to) and have no idea how people work. They usually grow older and get better at getting along. Contrast that with much older people here who seem to have never figured out how to not fight at every little knee-jerk button of theirs that gets pushed, and sixcolors' banning has always puzzled me. I mean I get it, but the worst thing about sixcolors seemed to be that people who could have been chill when she was being a PITA couldn't control themselves, and that she posted ridiculous (from other people's view) questions over and over. Not the place for her right now, I suppose, but I still don't think that collectively MeFi was exemplary in its response to her. People bringing her up as some sort of MeFi shibboleth when I can think of many other, bigger jackasses seems a bit unfair.

There are only (I think) 5 people in it, and they're in it because they ruin the Metafilter Experience™ for me.
Oftentimes, it's just something about their manner or they way they post or don't offer constructive help (I spend 97% of my time on the Green, rather than the Blue). Occasionally, I view their posts as just static.


Killfiling people on the green? Whatever works for you I guess, but there's so little antagonism and trolling there generally that I'm surprised by this. I t seems easier to just skip comments that are noisy. I can think of many time when people I've previously found irritating have said something really insightful, and I'd rather not miss those moments.

I don't know how many times I've gone to the hospital because Artw told me not to eat something, and I'm all, 'Fuck that guy, I'm so eating these leaves I found in the eavestrough now!'

This wasn't a particularly cheerful thread, but I have learned a wonderful word: eavestrough. Why have I never heard that before? So much more descriptive and Germanic than the indeterminate gutter. Is it the roof gutter, the road gutter, what? Now i can just say "eavestrough" and be unromantically precise.
posted by oneirodynia at 10:51 AM on June 7, 2011 [3 favorites]


and that she posted ridiculous (from other people's view) questions over and over.

... and by that, I mean to say from my view as well, just not her view I don't think there is much argument over the inappropriateness of some of the stuff she posted to Ask.
posted by oneirodynia at 10:53 AM on June 7, 2011


I thought the sixcolors "someone was doing some things in my house and they were bad but I can't tell you what" question was genius, who would have guessed her friend was snorting crushed adderall? Probably not good to make AskMe play guessing games though.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:08 AM on June 7, 2011


Although this is way too crossing-the-streams (then again, people here get married to one another), sometimes I think that when people have the "What's wrong with dating me?" AskMes, we could dispatch local volunteers to go on a date with that person. "Here's the deal: you're pretty awesome but you really really really gotta floss" as the report. Or someone to actually meet sixcolors and determine "Performance art, troll, or someone who is just utterly out of sync with much of the world?"

And I would totally eat the hell out of those trunk cookies.
posted by adipocere at 11:20 AM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]


sometimes I think that when people have the "What's wrong with dating me?" AskMes, we could dispatch local volunteers

iirc, something like this happened once, where someone asked a "What's wrong with me?" question (can't even remember if it was anon or not) and someone who had gone on a date with them was like "Well, let me tell you..." It must have been anon because I can't find it.

sixcolors' problem was not just that she was odd, we have many oddballs here, but that she couldn't stay within the AskMe and MeTa guidelines for how to interact on this site. And she interacted a lot. This was a chronic problem and we spent a lot of time emailing with her about it and never really got the feeling that she was either willing or able to change, even a little. At some level, while I don't think she was trolling, it got to the point where her actions were sometimes indistinguishable from that of a troll and at that point it sort of doesn't matter what's in your heart of hearts.

I wish we could have worked it out, but it wasn't just her being quirky or people having bad reactions to that [though neither of those helped] that led to our final decision.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:30 AM on June 7, 2011


Yeah, I hear you.
posted by oneirodynia at 12:00 PM on June 7, 2011


Oh, yeah, I get it. When you cannot pry open the box and see what is inside, after a while, why becomes less pressing than how do I make this not blow other stuff up? Definitely beyond odd and certainly problematic, especially when you might as well have been speaking Urdu to her for all of the comprehension she displayed. I do not think anyone who had read more than about ten percent of the ongoing affair could fault the administrative decision.

I'm also the dipshit in horror movies who says "Hey, what is that thing, anyway?" then pokes in the box.
posted by adipocere at 12:32 PM on June 7, 2011


6C is the emoticon for a sad, monocled cyclops.
posted by jtron at 12:47 PM on June 7, 2011 [5 favorites]


Metafilter: we have many oddballs here.
posted by oxford blue at 9:10 PM on June 7, 2011


Б ю

Ъ ю
Как тебя зовут тоже носил монокль...
posted by infinite intimation at 10:26 PM on June 7, 2011


I have three balls.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:27 PM on June 7, 2011


*Decides to walk you and pitch to goodnewsfortheinsane*
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:29 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]


So that's what killfile means.

All this time I thought it was the dossier inside that manila envelope I keep receiving, you know, the one with the photo of the guy I'm supposed to whack.

But I've said too much ...
posted by bwg at 3:01 AM on June 8, 2011


6C might have been impossible to manage on the site, but she wasn't malicious, just addicted to drama and deaf to advice that challenged her world view. Some of the behaviour surrounding her was far harder to excuse.
posted by Busy Old Fool at 4:15 AM on June 8, 2011 [2 favorites]


Huh, does that box tag still work?
posted by desjardins at 8:26 AM on June 8, 2011


:(
posted by desjardins at 8:27 AM on June 8, 2011


Some of the behaviour surrounding her was far harder to excuse.

IIRC, didn't someone actually make a countdown/timer/clock "Until sixcolors is banned!" thing? Which, ya' know, kind of takes the cake for dick moves IMO.
posted by P.o.B. at 11:36 AM on June 8, 2011 [1 favorite]


Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:48 PM on June 8, 2011 [1 favorite]


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posted by Horselover Phattie at 1:50 PM on June 8, 2011


To be fair reading that response is a pretty effective sympathy drain.
posted by Artw at 2:26 PM on June 8, 2011


Isn't anybody going to answer interrobang's post?
posted by obiwanwasabi at 8:37 PM on June 8, 2011 [1 favorite]


Am I the only one wondering why nobody answered interrobang's question?
posted by Busy Old Fool at 12:13 AM on June 9, 2011 [1 favorite]


Killfile would be a great '90s net thriller. Or comic book villain.

"Consider yourself blocked, Cyborg!"
posted by klangklangston at 12:18 AM on June 9, 2011 [2 favorites]


"PLONK!" in big balloon letters inside a spiked ellipse.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:09 AM on June 9, 2011 [1 favorite]


Am I the only one wondering why nobody answered interrobang's question?

You mean this question?
Can we please have this feature, at least for the mobile site?
Because the very second comment in this thread is from cortex, and starts with:
No, that's not something we're going to do.
posted by FishBike at 7:31 AM on June 9, 2011


Please don't make people explain jokes, FishBike.
posted by cog_nate at 8:03 AM on June 9, 2011


But... they didn't use the <joke> tag! How was I to know?
posted by FishBike at 8:15 AM on June 9, 2011


Hey who are you talking to, cog_nate? It looks as though you're addressing your comments to a "FishBike", but I see no comments here by a user with that moniker. If there are indeed posts by a user that I am not seeing, it's a distinct possibility that I have killfiled this user, perhaps even without my recollection. Oh ho! The topic of this entire thread is the killfiling of users! What happy synchronicity!
posted by ODiV at 9:52 AM on June 9, 2011


so...can I get wfrgms's user number? It seems like such a waste...!
posted by Tarumba at 11:27 AM on June 14, 2011


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