F*** It All August 17, 2011 6:34 PM   Subscribe

It may be one of the most interesting words in the English language but is it really appropriate ...

... here and here? I'm not a prude and don't fucking care if it is hidden inside a post but is it appropriate to have on the front page of the Blue?
posted by JJ86 to Etiquette/Policy at 6:34 PM (174 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

Why the fuck not?
posted by RogerB at 6:35 PM on August 17, 2011


We're all adults here.
posted by gman at 6:36 PM on August 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


Oh, if only words themselves were not evil.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:41 PM on August 17, 2011 [9 favorites]


is [FUCK] appropriate to have on the front page of the Blue?

Fuck yeah it is!
posted by carsonb at 6:42 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


the mods will come in and say it better (probably while i'm typing this) but words don't raise the nsfw barrier. it's nice to avoid cursing above the fold, but sometimes people don't and that's ok.

and really, she goes by amanda fucking palmer. i mean, in (mnsfw) map of tasmania, she has an AFP shield covering her bits.
posted by nadawi at 6:42 PM on August 17, 2011


Why would it not be appropriate?
posted by rtha at 6:44 PM on August 17, 2011


I fucking love profane intensifiers and all the color and forcefulness they add to speech, so there's no way in fuck that you're gonna fucking stop me from saying "fuck" on fucking Metafilter.
posted by killdevil at 6:44 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Fuck it.
posted by XhaustedProphet at 6:45 PM on August 17, 2011


Yeah, it's fine, as nadawi says. There are greasemonkey scripts you can run if you don't want to see the word for whatever reason. You can take this one and modify it to your needs.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:45 PM on August 17, 2011


I mean, just, FUCK, you know?
posted by killdevil at 6:46 PM on August 17, 2011


I was honestly disappointed to click the link for Amanda-Fucking-Palmer and not see any penetration. The thread obviously did not deliver and Fucking had no place in the thread title. I guess we could change all the thread titles to allow it. How about:

Movie Line Rhymes by Fucking Jordan Laws Fucking
Secret Papers Reveal Truth Behind Soviet Collapse - FUCKING A - the Gorbachev files
Monet - the web fucking experience.

posted by JJ86 at 6:47 PM on August 17, 2011


Is this where I say cunt?
posted by found missing at 6:47 PM on August 17, 2011 [5 favorites]


I'm interested in why it's ok inside a post but not outside. Actually curious, not snarking. You/your easily shocked coworkers/your network admins see it either way, so why is it different?
posted by donnagirl at 6:48 PM on August 17, 2011


interestingly our love of the profane does not extend to embrace the word "cunt" here
posted by killdevil at 6:48 PM on August 17, 2011


Is this where I say cunt?

Nope.

I had never seen Amanda Palmer before this thread. I liked that video.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:49 PM on August 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


It's boring and childish but whatever.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 6:50 PM on August 17, 2011


I'm interested in why it's ok inside a post but not outside.

Maybe the same reason why we have the NSFW tag and NSFW material inside the post? Dunno? So everyone doesn't have to see it if they don't want to. Shouldn't we strive for some sort of decorum?
posted by JJ86 at 6:50 PM on August 17, 2011


Watch out found missing or you're gonna be, ah, found missing.
posted by 2bucksplus at 6:51 PM on August 17, 2011


There are currently 20 users with some variant of "fuck" in their names.

17 with some variant of 'shit'

3 with 'Piss'

0 with 'cunt'

0 with 'cocksucker'

2 with 'Motherfucker'

4 with 'tits'

That's the seven words you can't say on television.

Would you like us to prevent them all from posting to the front page? ;)

Data point: 3 'asshole' and one 'masshole'
posted by zarq at 6:51 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


If one is going to use profanity, one is obligated - in polite, erudite company - to curse creatively, and with aplomb.

So in regards to this question, I would say: Bastard baby Jesus in a brothel, where the ass fucking shit do you get off asking some cunting thigh slime like this, you bastard son of a cocksucking motherfuck bitch?

(note: not intended personally...probably)
posted by digitalprimate at 6:53 PM on August 17, 2011


Shouldn't we strive for some sort of decorum?

You're giving me the vapors.
posted by rtha at 6:53 PM on August 17, 2011 [17 favorites]


In hopes that this is going to turn into an all purpose swearing thread I give you Stephen Fry on the joys of swearing. Right then, fuckety bye!
posted by villanelles at dawn at 6:53 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'm not trying to prevent anything. I am just curious before I post my next thread on the blue about "Cocksucking and Fucking - How the Fuck Does it Work?"
posted by JJ86 at 6:53 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


So everyone doesn't have to see it if they don't want to.

But that's my point - you'd have no way of knowing it was in the post, so you still wouldn't have the choice about seeing it or not.
posted by donnagirl at 6:54 PM on August 17, 2011


"Cocksucking and Fucking - How the Fuck Does it Work?"

You probably wanna put that motherfucker on the Green instead.
posted by zarq at 6:54 PM on August 17, 2011 [22 favorites]


The only real concern is that the post title is also the URL which will show up in proxy/firewall logs, but the old caveat about this place not being terribly SFW applies.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 6:55 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Maybe the same reason why we have the NSFW tag and NSFW material inside the post? Dunno? So everyone doesn't have to see it if they don't want to. Shouldn't we strive for some sort of decorum?

Yeah, but those are optional, not required.

I try to put them on my posts to be polite, along with trigger warnings, etc. But no one is demanding we do so.
posted by zarq at 6:58 PM on August 17, 2011


Shouldn't we strive for some sort of decorum?

Speaking only for myself, i think the decorum we strive for is the sort where people are generally decent to each other and have good conversations about ideas and whatnot. I know we're not always doing this, but that's the decorum that i strive for. I notice in places that have more bright line rules that govern language, they're not actually conerned with decorum, just the line after which the FCC will fine you. So you can't say "fuck" on TV but you can have a reality show with young adults not legally allowed to sign contracts being followed around by cameras while pregnant. Did you notice recently it became okay to show dildos on TV? I heard John Stewart talking about this, about how many times they can say it on the Daily Show before they get in trouble. That sort of thing, to me, is fake, almost concern-troll level of caring, about discourse. It's not real.

It's bean counting and score keeping in lieu of actually caring about how we treat each other, to say nothing of how it's fine to show someone getting beaten or raped on TV but not okay to even show simulated oral sex from a distance. Agitation sells, but you have to maintain a veneer of respectability so you can only say damnit not goddamnit, or ass but not asshole.

So not trying to be snarky or otherwise pesty JJ86, but I think you're right, we do care about discourse here. I like to think that we're more concerned about all the words put together, not just individual ones out by themselves. That said, there are some individual ones that pack a pretty big punch for singleton words and while they'll sneak in here once in a while, we'd prefer people not use them for shock value around here if at all possible.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:00 PM on August 17, 2011 [67 favorites]


It's boring and childish but whatever.

You, sir, are a big ol' poopyhead. Who smells. Like poopy.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 7:03 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


I am personally offended by the word fuck. I humbly request that the mods perform a site-wide find-and-replace to swap all instances of "fuck" with "make sweet, sweet love to." Ideally this will link to an mp3 file of Barry White speaking the phrase out loud.

Thank you.
posted by phunniemee at 7:05 PM on August 17, 2011 [5 favorites]


I am a magnificent poopyhead, you kitten torturing scrotum face.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 7:06 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


We're all adults here.

Have to be, for the orgy scene.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:06 PM on August 17, 2011


This thread/callout of me may be relevant.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:08 PM on August 17, 2011


I'm not offended by the F word. Would be nicer not to come to the front page at work and see a giant FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK*, although seeing it is making me laugh.** JJ86, if you'd prefer not to see Fuck on the Front Page, I suggest politely asking people to stop it, rather than asking if it's appropriate, as you will get direct answers.

* I miss the Big tag

** Mods, sorry if this is bad behavior, esp. after Jessamyn's thoughtful comment above. But I find the blinking profanity delightful.
posted by theora55 at 7:09 PM on August 17, 2011


I'm not trying to prevent anything. I am just curious before I post my next thread on the blue about "Cocksucking and Fucking - How the Fuck Does it Work?"

Sounds like a question for the green. If you're really embarassed, memail me, I'll send you pictures of your mom and dad.
posted by hal_c_on at 7:10 PM on August 17, 2011


killdevil: "I fucking love profane intensifiers and all the color and forcefulness they add to speech, so there's no way in fuck that you're gonna fucking stop me from saying "fuck" on fucking Metafilter"
I feel that I can echo this sentiment. That's the exact term I use for curse words in this context, "intensifiers". It's just an emotional magnification of whatever you're saying. I suppose they have more power simply because of the vestigial taboo, but at this point for me it's kind of silly to worry about a "bad word" that is more a modifier than a profanity. Acknowledging that it can cause issues in the workplace for some, that is. But really, for fuck's sake?
posted by Red Loop at 7:12 PM on August 17, 2011


I propose as an extra revenue stream Metafilter allow users to turn on SafeSite(tm) for a modest fee. Say $1 a month, this feature will regex curses out of the front page and replace them with user supplied alternatives, thus fuck can be turned into 'Make Sweet sweet love'.

All I ask is a modest 25% of net revenue from this feature for the use of this patent pending technology.
posted by Ad hominem at 7:18 PM on August 17, 2011


you kitten torturing scrotum face

It's true. :(
posted by BitterOldPunk at 7:19 PM on August 17, 2011 [7 favorites]


"Cocksucking and Fucking - How the Fuck Does it Work?"

We already had this month's juggalo post.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:19 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


What did you think the F in "FPP" stood for?
posted by Eideteker at 7:22 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]




This fucking post fucking has only one fucking tag. I fucking think you can fucking do better than fucking fucking that. Fuck.
posted by Eideteker at 7:25 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I propose as an extra revenue stream Metafilter allow users to turn on SafeSite(tm) for a modest fee. Say $1 a month, this feature will regex curses out of the front page and replace them with user supplied alternatives

Oh, for gentle caresses' sake!
posted by 1000monkeys at 7:25 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


If you're offended by fuck, you're probably not getting enough. Am I right, ladies?

*audience woooooOOOOOOOooooos*
posted by Eideteker at 7:29 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


jessamyn's mum: " So you can't say "fuck" on TV but you can have a reality show with young adults not legally allowed to sign contracts being followed around by cameras while pregnant. Did you notice recently it became okay to show dildos on TV? I heard John Stewart talking about this, about how many times they can say it on the Daily Show before they get in trouble. That sort of thing, to me, is fake, almost concern-troll level of caring, about discourse. It's not real. "

Yeah - you can say 'fuck' on TV here, but only after 8:30 pm (I think) and there seems to be some sort of count limit as well - often shows will have the word a few times uncensored, then suddenly start beeping them out. So it seems that it's OK for people to hear someone on TV say 'fuck' but only a certain number of times, then it becomes offensive? It's also apparently OK to show people actually fucking on TV here and that's somehow less offensive than the descriptive word? WTMSSLT?
posted by dg at 7:30 PM on August 17, 2011


Yeah. I'm pretty sure MetaFilter is rated R for mature subject matter and coarse language.
posted by chunking express at 7:30 PM on August 17, 2011


I am personally offended by the word fuck. I humbly request that the mods perform a site-wide find-and-replace to swap all instances of "fuck" with "make sweet, sweet love to." Ideally this will link to an mp3 file of Barry White speaking the phrase out loud.

Girl, too much of anything isn't good for you, baby.
posted by stavrogin at 7:37 PM on August 17, 2011


"Cocksucking and Fucking - How the Fuck Does it Work?"

$20. Same as in town.
posted by loquacious at 7:37 PM on August 17, 2011 [6 favorites]


We're all adults here.

Is that true? I've seen posts from high-school students on AskMe. I'd like to think that there are children posting on MetaFilter, if only occasionally. It would make the place more interesting (...working from the assumption that aspects of the site's format [$5 fee, etc.] will screen-out the ones who wouldn't.)
posted by cribcage at 7:39 PM on August 17, 2011


This thread is fucked.
posted by jonmc at 7:42 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


I think it's taken as a given that you will find profanity here; by the time you pony up your $5, it should be abundantly clear that here be some dragons. Some are big sweary dragons, some are fighty dragons, yet more are "OMG you're a KITTEH!" dragons. Winter is fucking coming after all.
posted by arcticseal at 7:43 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


here, oh, tried to make a comment in the closed hippybear thread.
posted by clavdivs at 7:43 PM on August 17, 2011


oh and fuck
posted by clavdivs at 7:43 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Data point: 3 'asshole' and one 'masshole'

I need a fucking Venn diagram.
posted by davejay at 7:44 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


here there be fycking dragons
posted by davejay at 7:44 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Apparently you did not grow up on the North shore of Massachusetts, where fuck is not only peppered in every day language, it is also an endearment. I fucking love you, you mothafuckah, now let's go get a grindah and shoot the shit about the fucking Red Sox.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 7:47 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


"right then, fuckety bye!" made me laugh like a motherfucker. fuuuuuuuuuck.
posted by palomar at 7:48 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


fuckety fuck fuck deedle deedle dee
posted by palomar at 7:49 PM on August 17, 2011


Yeah - you can say 'fuck' on TV here, but only after 8:30 pm (I think)
Actually, on checking, it's 9:00 pm. The c-word is also fine, but only if it's 'vital to the storyline' ...
posted by dg at 7:49 PM on August 17, 2011


Fuck the fucking red sox, muthafucker.

/Mets fan
posted by jonmc at 7:49 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Trust me, jonmc, I have said the same thing many times over the years.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 7:50 PM on August 17, 2011


Eideteker: This fucking post fucking has only one fucking tag. I fucking think you can fucking do better than fucking fucking that. Fuck.

I think the tags you're looking for are 'fuck,' 'fucks,' 'fucked,' 'fucker,' 'fuckers,' 'fucking,' 'F(_) c|<,' and 'un-fucking-believable.'
posted by troll at 7:51 PM on August 17, 2011


"right then, fuckety bye!" made me laugh like a motherfucker. fuuuuuuuuuck.

I stole it from this fuck
posted by villanelles at dawn at 7:51 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


Yes, but I say it with joy.

BILL BUCKNER!!!!
posted by jonmc at 7:51 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Shouldn't we strive for some sort of decorum?

BUTTS LOL
posted by elizardbits at 7:52 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


oh and also FUCKASAURUS REX
posted by elizardbits at 7:53 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Metafilter: NSFW

There's your fucking label. ;-P
posted by Ardiril at 7:54 PM on August 17, 2011


but is it appropriate to have on the front page of the Blue?

the assumption is that there's anything particularly appropriate about the front page of the Blue.
posted by philip-random at 7:59 PM on August 17, 2011


I'm fucking laughing so hard, I can only say Larry Fucking Bird. *cough*
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 8:04 PM on August 17, 2011


Yeah, I had a similar complaint, and the 11-year-olds decided to be all shocking and say "fuck this" and "fuck that" like I was being some sort of fucking prude, when, in reality, I was complaining about their fucking lack of originality. I feel your pain, JJ86, I do, but there's only one way these things go, and this one's gone that way.
posted by MrMoonPie at 8:09 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


When I first joined Metafilter, I wondered why people on a site who pride themselves on being so much more articulate and intelligent than other internet users have to say 'fucking' all the time. We all know what the word means, but saying more often than a docker with an anvil on his toe is crude and degrades its impact on the rare occasions you might really need it. I am not surprised by the reaction to this post therefore.
posted by joannemullen at 8:11 PM on August 17, 2011


oh, fuck off, joannemullen.
posted by misha at 8:19 PM on August 17, 2011 [19 favorites]


I'm so sorry, I got carried the fuck away for a moment there. Fuck.
posted by misha at 8:20 PM on August 17, 2011


Well. Thank you for the cold fucking wet blanket, joannemullen. Therefore, indeed. How fucking poncy of you. I guess you showed us.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 8:22 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Eh, to me fuck is another word. It holds no place of revrence or distance. It lands on my radar at about the same level as "damn." Intelligent and articulate people know how to use it. Some also don't fucking care.
posted by cjorgensen at 8:24 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


joannemullen: I wondered why people on a site who pride themselves on being so much more articulate and intelligent than other internet users have to say 'fucking' all the time.

Fucking bullshit. Someone please analyze an infodump for the frequency of 'fuck' and compare it to common usage.

This thread will skew the numbers. Leave it out.
posted by troll at 8:30 PM on August 17, 2011


Oh fucking jizzballs unclefucker, Joanne, if you hate it here why don't you just fuck off for fuck sakes?


(said in jest...kinda)
posted by 1000monkeys at 8:32 PM on August 17, 2011


I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU
posted by Rhaomi at 8:34 PM on August 17, 2011


"I'm fucking sorry, motherfucker."
posted by Eideteker at 8:35 PM on August 17, 2011


Joannemullen says: "When I first joined Metafilter, I wondered why people on a site who pride themselves on being so much more articulate and intelligent than other internet users have to say 'fucking' all the time. "

And yet...
Joannemullen also says: "I too think it's terrible that the great unwashed have opinions I disagree with and, what's worse, are allowed to shamelessly express them on public comment sites open to everyone, especially when they fucking express them fucking strongly in the fucking crude fucking language which would never be fucking allowed on fucking Metafilter, for fuck's sake, fuckers."
posted by smoke at 8:44 PM on August 17, 2011 [12 favorites]


shit > fuck

Are you people blind?
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:45 PM on August 17, 2011


WITNESS THE FUCKING INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM
posted by BitterOldPunk at 8:46 PM on August 17, 2011 [7 favorites]


fuck fuck fo fuck banana fana fo fuck me mi mo muck, fuuuuuck
posted by jonmc at 8:47 PM on August 17, 2011


Joannemullen says: "When I first joined Metafilter, I wondered why people on a site who pride themselves on being so much more articulate and intelligent than other internet users have to say 'fucking' all the time. "

And yet...
Joannemullen also says: "I too think it's terrible that the great unwashed have opinions I disagree with and, what's worse, are allowed to shamelessly express them on public comment sites open to everyone, especially when they fucking express them fucking strongly in the fucking crude fucking language which would never be fucking allowed on fucking Metafilter, for fuck's sake, fuckers."


smoke: Fuck you. And fuck her, too.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:48 PM on August 17, 2011


sweet blistering Jesus
posted by Babblesort at 8:49 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


oh, fuck off, joannemullen.

Well. Thank you for the cold fucking wet blanket, joannemullen. Therefore, indeed. How fucking poncy of you. I guess you showed us.

Fucking bullshit.

Oh fucking jizzballs unclefucker, Joanne, if you hate it here why don't you just fuck off for fuck sakes?


I don't really like joannemullen. But I think the way metafilter is treating her is absolute shit.

Nobody goes toe to toe with her. You just wait till there's a pile-on and then everyone gets in.

Cowards...the lot of you pile-ons.
posted by hal_c_on at 8:49 PM on August 17, 2011


I also coined the term pile-on.

Did too.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:52 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'm not defending insults hal_c_on - at all - but I've seen plenty of toe-to-toe, in addition to them.
posted by smoke at 8:52 PM on August 17, 2011


Is this the right thread to mention one of my favorite sites is fuckyeahdementia.com?
posted by Eideteker at 8:54 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


I don't really like joannemullen. But I think the way metafilter is treating her is absolute shit.

Seriously. It happens so often that it makes the site less pleasant all around. We can turn into a petty little mob sometimes.

But, joannemullen, you would get a better response around here if you stopped lecturing people on how predictably disappointing this site is to you, like this: I am not surprised by the reaction to this post therefore.
posted by Dasein at 8:56 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


This thread is no longer about joannemullen. It's now about Joanne Worley.
posted by Eideteker at 8:56 PM on August 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


(And really, was anyone surprised by the reaction to this post? No? I didn't fucking think so.)
posted by Eideteker at 8:57 PM on August 17, 2011


hal_c_on: "
I don't really like joannemullen. But I think the way metafilter is treating her is absolute shit.
"

I don't give a fuck about joannemullen one way or the other but, yeah, this.
posted by dg at 8:58 PM on August 17, 2011


I approve of the Joanne Worley turn this thread has taken. We should have more threads about, of, or concerning Joanne Worley.
posted by bakerina at 9:02 PM on August 17, 2011


Fuck Joanne Worley.
posted by found missing at 9:09 PM on August 17, 2011


There's no confessing and guessing while I'm expressing myself. It's crazy to see people be what society wants them to be. But not me.

Ruthless is the way to go. They know. Others say rhymes that fail to be original, or they kill where the hip-hop starts, forget about the ghetto and rap for the pop charts.

Some MeFites curse at home but scared to use profanity when up on the microphone. Yeah, they want reality.

But you won't hear none.

They'd rather exaggerate a little fiction. Some say no to drugs and take a stand, but after the show they go looking for the dope man.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:10 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


"Fuck Joanne Worley."

Oh, if only. But she won't return my calls, my e-mails, or my facebook pokes anymore. =(

So I guess it's just me, a shovel, and Brett Fucking Somers again tonight.
posted by Eideteker at 9:13 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Nobody goes toe to toe with her.

actually, people do all the time. Then more and more and more, which makes a pile-on.
posted by Hoopo at 9:18 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


joannemullen doesn't have the best bedside manner but taking potshots at the site isn't exactly history's greatest crime, and yet she's constantly attacked for it with absolutely vituperative language. Surely metafilter has thicker skin than that.
posted by villanelles at dawn at 9:19 PM on August 17, 2011


hal_c_on: I don't really like joannemullen. But I think the way metafilter is treating her is absolute shit.

Nobody goes toe to toe with her. You just wait till there's a pile-on and then everyone gets in.

Cowards...the lot of you pile-ons.



Huh. I didn't know this was a thing. I was addressing her bullshit opinion. Pile-on not intended. Is she like public enemy number one around here or something?
posted by troll at 9:21 PM on August 17, 2011


Today is the day on Metafilter where we make up for our vituperativity toward juggalos and joannemullen
posted by Hoopo at 9:23 PM on August 17, 2011


Nobody goes toe to toe with her.

I thought I did. She's free to respond at any time. I don't see that happening. What I do see is her dropping thread shits and then people like you defending her when she's attacking the entire community.

So how does addressing someone directly make me a coward, rather than quoting a bunch of people and shaking the shame-on-you stick at them?
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 9:23 PM on August 17, 2011 [9 favorites]


No, fuck juggalos.
posted by villanelles at dawn at 9:25 PM on August 17, 2011


fuck fuck fo fuck banana fana fo fuck me mi mo muck, fuuuuuck
posted by davejay at 9:28 PM on August 17, 2011


Marie Mon Dieu, you seem like such an intelligent foe... with a pinch of Dirty Harry action bubbling under the surface. I am not surprised she does not want to respond to you, despite being free to do so.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:28 PM on August 17, 2011


Stop it guys! don't you see? SHE'S TEARING US APART!
posted by Hoopo at 9:33 PM on August 17, 2011 [5 favorites]


badonkadonk.
posted by babbyʼ); Drop table users; -- at 9:33 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


uncanny hengeman, thank you, LOL. I will definitely buy you a beer next time you're in Maine.

We have open carry laws here. Despite our rather crappy governor. And I think I have pictures of Cortex eating the Amazing Cheesus burger somewhere.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 9:37 PM on August 17, 2011


What the fuck happened to this thread?
posted by joe lisboa at 9:38 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


If only I were smart enough to have a Joseph Campbell sockpuppet. But no.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 9:42 PM on August 17, 2011


Annelids were the Demiurgic testbed for the modern intestine.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 9:52 PM on August 17, 2011


you talk funny
posted by Hoopo at 9:53 PM on August 17, 2011


"Ruthless is the way to go. They know. Others say rhymes that fail to be original, or they kill where the hip-hop starts, forget about the ghetto and rap for the pop charts."

Counterpoint: The S is for Super, the U is for Unique….
posted by klangklangston at 10:28 PM on August 17, 2011


I humbly request that the mods perform a site-wide find-and-replace to swap all instances of "fuck" with "make sweet, sweet love to."

No, this is not a reasonable request, and I will tell you why:

A context-free find-and-replace on a lexeme as syntactically overloaded as "fuck" would lead to all sorts of messy grammatical trainwrecks.

Take your example: if "fuck" is appearing as a constituent of an infinitive transitive verb phrase, all is well when e.g. "I want to fuck your mom" becomes "I want to make sweet, sweet love to your mom".

But what if it's an intransitive phrase? "I want to fuck" becomes "I want to make sweet, sweet love to". Or, say, "you keening, lackwit fuck", which ends up as "you keening, lackwit make sweet, sweet love to". And so on. "Get the make sweet, sweet love to out of my face"?

The difficulty of finding a workable single replacement phase that would fulfill all the syntactical obligations of fuck's rich docket of responsibilities cannot be overstated. And that's before we even consider accounting for various inflections and embeddings of the word: fucked, fucking, fucker, un-fucking-believable, nunfuckery, &c.

Fucking bullshit. Someone please analyze an infodump for the frequency of 'fuck' and compare it to common usage.

This data is, in fact, available. From 1999 through end of 2010, mefites collectively used the word "fuck" 75,399 times, and the word "fucking" 76,425. That's out of 457 million words total in that time period, or a little less often than once every 6000 words each. By comparison, "the" has come up about 20,000,000 times, or once every 22 words.

It does appear to be the most common "-ing" form intensifier in use on the site, which is sort of a neat result and a testament to its ready utility as an intensifier, though as far as general intensifiers it loses out quite badly to chaste standards like "really" and "very" and "quite". And none of this is controlling for the fact that sometimes people aren't intensifying so much as just talking about the act of fucking, or of fucking with someone's head, or so forth. So that count may be overrepresenting its use a bit.

Note that a casual comparison of frequency against many classic linguistic corpora will yield a higher rate for curses here in part because the source texts for those other corpora included significant proportions of writing or speech in contexts like academic writing and (non-Hunter S. Thompson) journalism, even before considering seriously the question of whether mefites in a casual mode of discourse swear more or less than other cohorts in comparable discursive modes.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:48 PM on August 17, 2011 [44 favorites]


Metafilter: a casual mode of discourse swearing more or less than other cohorts in comparable discursive modes.
posted by joe lisboa at 10:57 PM on August 17, 2011


This old post would have helped the count.
posted by unliteral at 11:24 PM on August 17, 2011


fuck
posted by philip-random at 11:32 PM on August 17, 2011


If you see Kay tell her
posted by Sailormom at 11:37 PM on August 17, 2011


What about the past tense, cortex? Exactly how fucked are we?
posted by Sys Rq at 11:37 PM on August 17, 2011


we don't care what you say
posted by philip-random at 11:42 PM on August 17, 2011


But it's such a useful word!! Fuck" can be used as a verb, adverb, adjective, command, interjection, noun, but most of all, it supports expressing emotion. For example, in military use, the phrase "Fuck! The fucking fucker is fucking fucked. Fuck!" is a perfect shorthand for the much longer "Oh dear, it appears the machine gun has jammed. We're in big trouble now!"
posted by DreamerFi at 11:42 PM on August 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


you're breakin' my heart
posted by philip-random at 11:44 PM on August 17, 2011


If you can't say "fuck," you can't say "fuck the government."

-- Lenny Bruce
posted by ottereroticist at 11:50 PM on August 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


So who's going to start the Fuck Yeah Metafilter tumblr?
posted by Lovecraft In Brooklyn at 11:50 PM on August 17, 2011


As a replacement, fudge might actually work pretty well.

(This is true of most things.)
posted by Sys Rq at 11:52 PM on August 17, 2011


cortex, sometimes I fucking love you!
posted by MuChao at 11:52 PM on August 17, 2011


"fuck" is very rewarding word, very woody -- maximum impact for minimal effort, as opposed to horrible, tinny, inefficient words like "ameliorate", "reconcile", "benefactor", "hairpiece".
posted by philip-random at 11:54 PM on August 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


I had never seen Amanda Palmer before this thread. I liked that video.
Really, the only thing I'm going to take away from this thread is that jessamyn had not seen Amanda Palmer previously. That boggles my little grey/blue/green mind. I thought AFP was a MeFi darling who got, dare I say it, possibly disproportionate amounts of coverage around these parts? (jessamyn, you do not have to defend yourself!)

On preview, cortex's analysis is fucking awesome.
posted by knile at 11:55 PM on August 17, 2011


Dear Advertisers Mods,

I am disgusted with the way old people users are depicted on television MetaFilter. We are not all vibrant, fun-loving sex maniacs. Many of us are bitter, resentful individuals who remember the good old days when entertainment the internet was bland and inoffensive. The following is a list of words I never want to hear on television read on the MetaFilter front page ever again...
posted by ceribus peribus at 1:24 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


I always assumed a certain user who dumps little turds at the beginning of threads and then is never seen again is a Brand New Day persona of someone who used to do the same thing, but hasn't been seen for awhile.
posted by maxwelton at 1:31 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


Fizzlepop this shit.
posted by Elmore at 1:58 AM on August 18, 2011


Today is the day on Metafilter where we make up for our vituperativity toward juggalos and joannemullen

Hells Yeah! Someone finally found an answer for tehloki's AskMe stumper
posted by mannequito at 2:06 AM on August 18, 2011


To be honest I'm surprised there isn't a harsher response to her hit and run comments.

I always try to respond in good faith, but am yet to see her engage in a running discussion in a similar fashion.

It is almost always a baiting comment followed by silence, or a complaint about other users responses. Barely worth talking about it to be honest.
posted by knapah at 2:39 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


I always assumed a certain user who dumps little turds at the beginning of threads and then is never seen again is a Brand New Day persona of someone who used to do the same thing, but hasn't been seen for awhile.

Who, who? Don't be coy, we aren't all following this as closely as you.
posted by Meatbomb at 3:03 AM on August 18, 2011


Easiest find and replace: n for the c. It's funking perfect. You can funk anybody you want and not get funked over about it, you motherfunker.

I believe something similar is done at another site, F-something-something-K.com
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:47 AM on August 18, 2011


Who, who? Don't be coy, we aren't all following this as closely as you.

nomadicink.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:56 AM on August 18, 2011 [2 favorites]


fuck fuck fo fuck banana fana fo fuck me mi mo muck, fuuuuuck

You just reminded me of a time all the way back in fourth grade when a girl in my class was standing up in front of the room doing the Name Game. Unwisely, she asked for names from the rest of us.

Ten-year-old me: "Let's do Mitch!"

Her: "Mitch Mitch bo-bitch--*sudden silence*"

Me: *TROLLFACE.JPG*
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 4:17 AM on August 18, 2011 [3 favorites]


Yeah, I liked to swear a lot, and do less so nowadays. For me, it was when exciting, transgressive youthful thing. It started to wear off when I suggested that a cooler friend than me "sing something offensive" and she raised an eyebrow and started "I'm a filthy nigger and I fucked a white bitch" by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore. Ouch.

At this point I realised that it's not unreasonable to have taboo words in your culture, that I wasn't particularly cool in using them (especially ones that are not taboo to me, but are to others) and that it is not unreasonable to ask people not to use taboo words. Sure, "fuck" doesn't give me much of a problem. "Nigger" certainly does (I'm not claiming any personal status here, it's just a word I'm finding hard to even type.) "Cunt", interestingly, was fine fifteen years ago but I'm finding more problematic to use comfortably now - American influence? Actually, I think that might go for all profanity - must be my age.

Anyway, the point is that I have taboo words, and you do too.

So, mods not going to do anything about "fuck" on the front page? Well, it's no longer a taboo word in our culture and amongst the general MeFite set, and it's their site, and they've always been clear that this isn't a SFW place. No problem.

But asking that we don't use it on the front page? Also perfectly reasonable.
posted by alasdair at 6:01 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


Fart. Yeah, I went there.
posted by Splunge at 6:34 AM on August 18, 2011


No, this is not a reasonable request, and I will tell you why:

hire an intern to make the changes manually. we want results, not fucking excuses!

From 1999 through end of 2010, mefites collectively used the word "fuck" 75,399 times, and the word "fucking" 76,425. That's out of 457 million words total in that time period, or a little less often than once every 6000 words each.

i agree with joannemullen, this is a fucking disgrace. this site needs more fucking. get busy motherfuckers. oh wait, that a bit of a contradiction with what i said before. what the fuck, i'm fucking confused now.

best quote of all time, captain of the titanic: full speed ahead and FUCK the iceberg!
posted by canned polar bear at 6:43 AM on August 18, 2011


We're all adults here but if we're not then chances are this is not the first time the word has been heard. I don't think my typing the word FUCK in large and friendly letters is going to cause some awful kind of psychosis in a small child who might possibly be reading.

Adulthood brings many things - wrinkles, the vote, lawful drinking, the purchase of cigarettes and not being chastised when saying the fucking word fuck on Metafilter which is an expletive friendly zone. Fuck the fucking fuckers who are too fucking clenched to understand this. Seriou-fucking-sly.

Of course, one still has to be selective.
posted by h00py at 7:51 AM on August 18, 2011


The difficulty of finding a workable single replacement phase that would fulfill all the syntactical obligations of fuck's rich docket of responsibilities cannot be overstated.

Friend of mine used "waffle". It worked fairly well.

"I want to fuck" = "I want to waffle"
"you keening, lackwit fuck" = "you keening, lackwit waffle"

"Get the waffle out of my face"

"Waffling" and "waffler" are inherently hilarious too.

(Note that I am not proposing this as an actual solution. We are not rated T for Teens.)
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 8:03 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


It's boring and childish but

It's better than the stupid-sounding frickin' and friggin' I hear the wimpy kids using instead of -- and a Good Chriristian I work with always uses Chuck as a substitute.
posted by Rash at 8:26 AM on August 18, 2011


I'm not a prude

O RLY?
posted by Decani at 9:00 AM on August 18, 2011


Well frak, this whole conversation has gotten just frelling silly.
posted by quin at 9:06 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


-- and a Good Chriristian I work with always uses Chuck as a substitute.

Because the Holy Fucking Bible is so full of condemnation of folks who use the fucking word. Fuck, that is.
posted by philip-random at 9:09 AM on August 18, 2011


In the sixth grade, a friend and I got detention for joking around with like-sounding variants in class. "Shut the fluck up!" and "Flush you!" were seen as skirting so close to the danger zone as to be in it.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 9:10 AM on August 18, 2011


Unless I'm mistaken there was a brief phase when there was a lot of "frak" used in place of "fuck". Should that factor in to the calculus?
posted by Hoopo at 9:41 AM on August 18, 2011


One thing to bear in mind is that ubiquitous obscenity will land the site on the naughty list of workplace content filters. Maybe save it for when you really need it?
posted by Slap*Happy at 10:03 AM on August 18, 2011


Or you could do like I do and work at a place where people swear at you a lot over the course of doing your job.
posted by Hoopo at 10:10 AM on August 18, 2011


Because the Holy Fucking Bible is so full of condemnation of folks who use the fucking word. Fuck, that is.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fucking, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and fuck it: and fuck over the fish of the sea, and fuck over the fowl of the air, and fuck over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
posted by Sys Rq at 10:15 AM on August 18, 2011 [3 favorites]


Now playing on aisle 106620....
posted by zarq at 10:15 AM on August 18, 2011


I seriously swear so rarely IRL that I am known for it among my family and friends. While I will put any fucking word I can think of down in writing, I am positively prudish about it to those who know me.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not an "Oh, sugar!" or "Fudge!" person. That's silly. I just tend to ration out the "good stuff" for when it really matters.

This has the advantage of making those extremely uncommon moments when I DO swear take on huge significance. Talk stops. People back off a step. There's a clear "Do not fuck with me" radius.

My kids do the frickin' and friggin' thing mentioned above when they're on Xbox live and profanity is flying around thicker than the bullets they are shooting. I think they've learned the power of bringing out the big guns only when they really mean them, too.
posted by misha at 10:34 AM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


That FPP kinda seemed stunty me, but whatever.
posted by entropicamericana at 10:40 AM on August 18, 2011


I'm not an "Oh, sugar!" or "Fudge!" person. That's silly.

I swear to God when I went to visit my Mom this summer I heard her say "Holy Moly-kins!" I think I might be a distant relative of Ned Flanders.
posted by Hoopo at 11:07 AM on August 18, 2011 [2 favorites]


Now playing on aisle 106620....

Oh, FUCK!
posted by ericb at 11:59 AM on August 18, 2011


and not being chastised when saying the fucking word fuck on Metafilter which is an expletive friendly zone.

Well, I guess it matters what effect you want to have on your listeners. To me it's a basic respect thing. If you start slinging the profanity, I'm going to assume you either want to fight or have nothing worthwhile to say. And ignore you.

Two threads of people trying to show how cute they can be by using profanity as many times as possible? That's not the best of the web, or caring about discourse. It's just annoying. If I want an 'expletive friendly zone', there's a huge number of sites that value that. I didn't think of MeFi as one of them.
posted by bitmage at 12:04 PM on August 18, 2011


When there's not something specifically prompting people to tweak the idea, mefi isn't so much "expletive friendly" as just "not expletive-averse", is my feeling. Folks here aren't proscribed from going blue and do so to varying degrees at times, but such is casual conversation in a lot of different social contexts.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:08 PM on August 18, 2011


There is a hilarious bit in Steven Pinker's authors at google video (link) where he describes some legislation after Bono said "Fucking great" at the grammies or something and it didn't get bleeped and the FCC did not fine ABC or CBS or NBC or whoever broadcasted the shit. Apparently the lawyer who wrote the statute fucked up and did not retroactively prohibit the precise usage of Bono which fucking pissed everybody off.

(he also uses the N word in the talk but I don't recall offhand if he uses the F*g* word or the C word.)

The funniest thing in the video is everybody in the audience is a typical computer nerd at work and it looks like Pinker's outfit cost 12 or 13 hunnert fucking dollars.
posted by bukvich at 12:24 PM on August 18, 2011


If you start slinging the profanity, I'm going to assume you either want to fight or have nothing worthwhile to say. And ignore you.

Well, fuck, if I'd known it was that easy to get the "form matters more than content" crowd to pass by my stuff without opining, I'd have started swearing freely in text a long fucking time ago.
posted by Lexica at 12:24 PM on August 18, 2011 [9 favorites]


I seriously swear so rarely IRL that I am known for it among my family and friends. While I will put any fucking word I can think of down in writing, I am positively prudish about it to those who know me.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not an "Oh, sugar!" or "Fudge!" person. That's silly. I just tend to ration out the "good stuff" for when it really matters.

This has the advantage of making those extremely uncommon moments when I DO swear take on huge significance. Talk stops. People back off a step. There's a clear "Do not fuck with me" radius.


This is exactly how I treat it. As much fun as a well placed 'Fuck!' can be, the gravitas and power that comes from people recognizing 'Wait, what? I've never heard him say that before. This is serious.' is delicious and to be relished. A close friend of mine who's known me since third grade still retells the story of the only time in his memory that I told him to fuck off. I didn't yell, I didn't raise my voice. Just a cold, focused statement, and he stopped in his tracks, suddenly knowing that he had crossed a serious line.


So if you're interested in trying to 'reclaim the power of the word', it's still possible. It just shifts from a societal 'this is a big deal' to an individual case. And though it's never something to bring attention to yourself, eventually a reputation will grow as people realize that though they have heard you say many things, those few potent words have rarely-if-ever crossed your lips.
posted by CrystalDave at 1:17 PM on August 18, 2011 [1 favorite]


But asking that we don't use it on the front page? Also perfectly reasonable.


As with many requests, asking is reasonable. Expecting the herd of cats that is Metafilter to comply, however, might be unreasonable.
posted by liketitanic at 1:20 PM on August 18, 2011


At least it's not in huge print. I stopped reading Kotaku in part because they liked to drop F-bombs in huge print in their headlines.

/waits for someone to post a huge F-bomb in response.
posted by IndigoRain at 1:25 PM on August 18, 2011


Slap*Happy: "One thing to bear in mind is that ubiquitous obscenity will land the site on the naughty list of workplace content filters. Maybe save it for when you really need it?"
Hoopo: "Or you could do like I do and work at a place where people swear at you a lot over the course of doing your job."

I doubt that I'm the only one who works at a place where content filters are absurdly strict* and where profanity is a standard part of office conversation (especially when the conversation is about how the fucking Internet filter stops us from accessing information vital to our work).

*(because we are on the same WAN as all state schools and they can't seem to figure out how to apply a different filter to adults working in central office to the one they apply to seven-year-olds in a school library 2,000 km away)
posted by dg at 3:02 PM on August 18, 2011


So we can swear now? Hell damn fart!
posted by Specklet at 5:13 PM on August 18, 2011


I'm in a country with pretty lax rules on swearing, and I work for a site that happily lists The Wiggles alongside Fucked Up. It took me a bit of time to get used to, but nobody seems ot complain.
posted by Lovecraft In Brooklyn at 5:19 PM on August 18, 2011


hire an intern to make the changes manually

Bring on the fintern.
posted by arcticseal at 7:27 PM on August 18, 2011


I'm in a country with pretty lax rules on swearing

Yeah. I'm from that country. Even in commerce circles you can drop a loud F bomb in the finance cube farm and no one will say a thing.

One of my *ahem* proudest moments is when I converted the quiet religious middle aged unmarried Filipino accounts clerk into letting rip with the occasional "fucking idiots!" Even pointing the finger at me saying I was her *ahem* inspiration.

and I work for a site that happily lists The Wiggles alongside Fucked Up.

WTF?
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:28 PM on August 18, 2011


and I work for a site that happily lists The Wiggles alongside Fucked Up.

Its a music listing site. If The Wiggles are touring, we list them. If Fucked Up are touring, we list them, with the name uncensored. I wasn't too sure about it, but nobody seems to complain.
posted by Lovecraft In Brooklyn at 8:32 PM on August 18, 2011


The fuck is this?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 5:12 AM on August 19, 2011


Neither hell nor damn nor fart are swearwords.

I've imagined great streams of obnoxious words flowing from the lips of my favourite characters just because they were never said out loud. 'You festering, blistered cockstain. Fuck your pustulent cunt and felch upon my diarrhetic arsehole", etc.

I'm guessing they'd be more eloquent but I do have fun imagining.
posted by h00py at 8:29 AM on August 19, 2011


So we can swear now? Hell damn fart!

Not when your damn weiner kids are listening.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:40 AM on August 19, 2011


It started to wear off when I suggested that a cooler friend than me "sing something offensive" and she raised an eyebrow and started "I'm a filthy nigger and I fucked a white bitch" by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore. Ouch.

Alasdair, I can guess who that might have been....
posted by mippy at 10:18 AM on August 23, 2011


"I don't swear just for the hell of it. Language is a poor enough means of communication. I think we should all the words we've got. Besides, there are damn few words that anybody understands."
posted by thinman at 9:56 AM on August 24, 2011


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