How do you interpret all this? September 23, 2011 6:11 PM   Subscribe

The weirdo question from earlier this afternoon is still hanging around on the main ask page, if you're not logged in.

It's properly baleeted if you're logged in. So that's kind of strange.
More importantly, is just that little bit of cognitive dissonance enough to sever my connection to the real world?
posted by Cold Lurkey to Bugs at 6:11 PM (106 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite

I think maybe you need to hit shift-reload and then it will be gone.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:12 PM on September 23, 2011


*looks for the reload button on my keyboard*
posted by desjardins at 6:14 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


No, but don't be surprised if somebody contemplates murdering you for writing "baleeted."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 6:15 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


If you logout, the question will magically reappear on the front page... try it.
posted by Cold Lurkey at 6:16 PM on September 23, 2011


That's just what he'd expect me to do.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 6:17 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


try it.

I did. It doesn't.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:18 PM on September 23, 2011


I thought this was an excellent question, and I'm pretty sure it had something to do with George Bush.
posted by found missing at 6:20 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


Cold Lurkey: If you logout, the question will magically reappear on the front page... try it.

Next you're gonna tell me the "Post Comment" and "Preview" buttons look different today.

jessamyn: I did. It doesn't.

Actually, it does.
posted by gman at 6:20 PM on September 23, 2011


Yeah, I did. It does.
posted by found missing at 6:22 PM on September 23, 2011


It's happening for me, too. When you're actually on the question page, the deletion reason is there and the thread is closed, but the teaser is still on the front page.
posted by decathecting at 6:23 PM on September 23, 2011


Okay, this is clearly a difference between admin view and non-admin view. I'll send up the pb signal.

How about those buttons? Neat huh?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:23 PM on September 23, 2011


Spooooky.
posted by Specklet at 6:24 PM on September 23, 2011


I think someone is having some fun with the site. Don't feed it, et cetera.
posted by Horselover Phattie at 6:25 PM on September 23, 2011


You probably can't see my new gold star in Admin View, either, can you? Too bad. It's swell.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 6:26 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


I interpret that as a weirdo baleeted weirdo question.
posted by trip and a half at 6:26 PM on September 23, 2011


My buttons have a unicorn and a narwhal on them!
posted by IndigoRain at 6:28 PM on September 23, 2011


Did the envelope icon for MeMail also change?
posted by Horselover Phattie at 6:29 PM on September 23, 2011


Well, crap, I signed out to check this out, and now I can't sign back in! Please hope me!
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:31 PM on September 23, 2011


Weird - it looks like it's just posts deleted today. Yesterday's are safely gone.

(I'm assuming you're kidding, Horace?)
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 6:33 PM on September 23, 2011


Thanks, fixed this up. We were using a new optimized query that wasn't quite optimized enough.
posted by pb (staff) at 6:33 PM on September 23, 2011


Speaking of buttons (though the new ones are fab) the Reply and Delete buttons when you're viewing a MeMail are still wompijod.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:34 PM on September 23, 2011

Did the envelope icon for MeMail also change?
Earlier today, I had a little red line under my envelope icon. Now it's gone. I thought I was losing my mind, but apparently not. I mean, I may also have been losing my mind, because it's been that kind of day, but apparently it was not a symptom of my mind being lost.
posted by craichead at 6:34 PM on September 23, 2011


I am sorry I doubted you, Cold Lurkey.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:34 PM on September 23, 2011 [3 favorites]


I'm assuming you're kidding, Horace?

Well, yes. But clearly something is still wrong because to me it looks like pb just typed "wompijod".
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:35 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


Or maybe it's just me who's wompijod.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:36 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


That word has been used once on the whole Googleable internet before. What's it mean DR?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:39 PM on September 23, 2011


What do you mean, Devils Rancher? Do you see something like this?
posted by pb (staff) at 6:39 PM on September 23, 2011


My work here is done.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:39 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


What is this "log out" thing? That's a thing now?
posted by rtha at 6:39 PM on September 23, 2011


Hey! The color on my Gold Star just increased in value.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 6:39 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


Oops, yeah, pb - looks like one is custom and the other is a default browser button.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:40 PM on September 23, 2011


Yeah, that's as intended. Might not be the best choice in the world, but we wanted those buttons to look very different so you know they do different things.
posted by pb (staff) at 6:43 PM on September 23, 2011


What's it mean DR?

Well, that's a phonetic spelling for me because I've only heard it spoken, but it seems to mean all out askew and messed up. Like, if your car has a bent axle, it will drive all wompijod.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:44 PM on September 23, 2011


Google returns quite a few results for "whompyjawed".
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:45 PM on September 23, 2011 [7 favorites]


Yeah, that's as intended.

Ah, I can see your reasoning.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:46 PM on September 23, 2011


That's alright Jessamyn, I just assumed you were playing along with some nefarious plan to steal my soul, or something.
posted by Cold Lurkey at 6:48 PM on September 23, 2011


So why the change to the post/preview buttons? I'm still sticking with my unicorn/narwhal though.
posted by IndigoRain at 6:49 PM on September 23, 2011


Google returns quite a few results for "whompyjawed".

I blame my original source for never spelling it out for me. It's interesting how I made up an alternative spelling out of thin air, though.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:50 PM on September 23, 2011


So why the change to the post/preview buttons?

Just updating things a little. They're a bit cleaner and easier to read. There's some subtle feedback when you mouse over so you subtly know you're mousing over.

Ah, I can see your reasoning.

I think the new button style might make them too different, so we should probably come up another way to do that.
posted by pb (staff) at 6:52 PM on September 23, 2011


Foiled again.
posted by villanelles at dawn at 7:04 PM on September 23, 2011


I believe "whomperjawed" is the most prevalent form. It's related to catty whompus.

/Texan
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:11 PM on September 23, 2011 [4 favorites]


this thread is so bizarre that i feel like it roofied me somehow.
posted by elizardbits at 7:16 PM on September 23, 2011 [26 favorites]


There's some subtle feedback when you mouse over so you subtly know you're mousing over.

So what you're saying is that you put some subtleness in the subtleness so we can subtle while we subtle?
posted by desjardins at 7:19 PM on September 23, 2011 [4 favorites]


You're the mouse, now, mouse!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:27 PM on September 23, 2011 [3 favorites]


Cattywampus seems to come in several flavors of spelling as well. I guess weird colloquialisms like that get passed around verbally for a while, then people just write them however.
posted by Devils Rancher at 7:28 PM on September 23, 2011


Why are people talking about subtitles now? Does metafilter have subtitles I can't see? Have I been roofied too? Why am I in the Kremlin all the sudden?
posted by villanelles at dawn at 7:30 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


Just updating things a little. They're a bit cleaner and easier to read.

I like the mouseover dimmer-thing, but whoa, are these not easier to read. They kinda make my eyes go swimmy. It's something about this particular combination of font, text size to button-size ratio, and the bright dropshadow?
posted by desuetude at 7:32 PM on September 23, 2011


At least in metatalk the buttons need some style love for the plain stylesheet, because that gold on mouseover is jarring!
posted by ericost at 7:40 PM on September 23, 2011


Which browser, ericost? I'm not seeing that in the usual suspects.
posted by pb (staff) at 7:43 PM on September 23, 2011


I cannot imagine you will care about this, but based on Actual User Experience Research done at my companY! (who shall remain nameless, har har) I would advise that you make the "Post Comment" button inverse -- that is, light text on a dark background, and also bold the text -- to emphasize the one you want people to use the most.

Which here I suspect would be "Preview" on the first pass, and "Post Comment" once it has been previewed. I'd also move "Preview" to the left of "Post Comment" to make it more likely to be used, but I bet people will throw a hissy fit about that.
posted by davejay at 7:46 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


also: gold on mouseover for the professional white background on Safari
posted by davejay at 7:47 PM on September 23, 2011


also in Firefox and Chrome, actually. This is on a mac. Golly!
posted by davejay at 7:48 PM on September 23, 2011


this thread is pure gold on mouseover
posted by davejay at 7:49 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


Eh, re-read my original comment: I meant make PREVIEW inverse, since you want to emphasize that, presumably.
posted by davejay at 7:49 PM on September 23, 2011


Found it. You should no longer see gold on hover after a reload.
posted by pb (staff) at 7:55 PM on September 23, 2011


pb: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110902 Firefox/3.6.22

I'm a holdout :)

I did clear my browser cache too, fwiw, and it is not gold on mouseover in Safari 5.0.5 (6533.21.1).
posted by ericost at 7:57 PM on September 23, 2011


Shoulda previewed! Looks correct now, thanks!
posted by ericost at 7:58 PM on September 23, 2011


Thanks davejay. We'll give these a try for a while and then reassess. Small steps for now.
posted by pb (staff) at 8:03 PM on September 23, 2011


I LIKED THE GOLD HOVER
posted by desjardins at 8:03 PM on September 23, 2011


Gold hover freaked me out, but I am easily freaked so I didn't want to complain. This is an improvement.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:06 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


The gold hover makes me itch and want to rewrite the css.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:09 PM on September 23, 2011


If we've gotten through the new button itchiness, can we now talk about the intersticial google ads within the body of Ask responses when you're not logged in? All these issues, I know, could be resolved by logging in all the time.
I've been giving them time, as I wanted to avoid the knee-jerky adverse reaction to change, but the aesthetic "ugh" response is still there, after two weeks. I understand that there may be logical financial reasons to put those ads in there, and thus wonder if there will be an evaluation of their real utility after a month or so.
In short, are those ads forever? And are there any plans to deploy them on the blue or elsewhere?
posted by Cold Lurkey at 8:19 PM on September 23, 2011


Whompijod=whopperjawed in Arkansan. Or at least in my mom's dialect.

Hey, now I get to use the shiny new buttons!
posted by MultiFaceted at 8:21 PM on September 23, 2011


Whompijod=whopperjawed in Arkansan.

Huh. I learned it from First Wife, who was Floridian, by way of Bend Oregon.

I totally missed GOLD HOVER. :-(


Hey, pb, you could turn the Delete button in the MeMail page red, and style it like the others.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:27 PM on September 23, 2011


Now I'm hungry for some fried Cattywampus.
posted by arcticseal at 8:45 PM on September 23, 2011


I want someone to flameout over the buttons.
posted by cjorgensen at 8:45 PM on September 23, 2011


True Devils Rancher, we'll probably look at something like that next week.
posted by pb (staff) at 8:46 PM on September 23, 2011


Also, not to back door discuss that question, but it really reminded me of the questions in the Michael Moorcock book "Breakfast in the Ruins" (I think that's the one).

You are brought into a room by a nazi soldier. You are shown a table with various items on it and told if you pick the correct one it may save your family. There is a dog's skull, a .45 bullet, a baby's rattle, a glass of milk, a Roman coin and a bowl of cherries. Which do you choose?

The above is my reconstruction of a poor memory of these questions and in no way should be construed as real Moorcock. That question on the other hand might be real Moorcock.
posted by cjorgensen at 8:50 PM on September 23, 2011


In short, are those ads forever? And are there any plans to deploy them on the blue or elsewhere?

Sorry you don't like the ads. We don't currently have any plans to either remove them or add more ads in other places. There are technical solutions out there if you don't want to see ads, and you can always log in to see fewer ads. I personally like the logged-in aesthetic better too, but the ads are how we pay the bills.
posted by pb (staff) at 9:12 PM on September 23, 2011 [1 favorite]


The original interpretation question, the view oddities and this surreal thread itself are all brought to you by the MeFi Call of Cthulu hopefuls. Due to the sheer number of candidates, it's been implemented as an ARG. Thank you for joining turn 1. Just wait until you see turn 2.
posted by tyllwin at 10:17 PM on September 23, 2011 [2 favorites]


*unhappy at changes*

yes i know the UX team said so but still...
posted by infini at 10:28 PM on September 23, 2011


These new buttons don't make my comments any better.
posted by mazola at 10:29 PM on September 23, 2011 [3 favorites]


pb writes "I personally like the logged-in aesthetic better too,"

Ditto, The non logged in look is hideous; I'd pony up the $5 just to get the logged in aesthetic. I wonder how many new members are shocked and dismayed by the change in the look once they sign up.

What is the theory for having a logged in/logged out difference like that anyways?
posted by Mitheral at 11:03 PM on September 23, 2011


Oh and if you're looking for feedback on the buttons I also don't find them easier to read. It looks to me like the text has a white halo which makes the letters look fuzzy.
posted by Mitheral at 11:07 PM on September 23, 2011


What is the theory for having a logged in/logged out difference like that anyways?

The only difference is the presence of ads. You can customize the look & feel a bit in your site preferences and change to the plain theme once you're a member, but the default view is the same for both members and non-members.
posted by pb (staff) at 11:11 PM on September 23, 2011


Roman coin, obv.
posted by mwhybark at 11:44 PM on September 23, 2011


ACK! New buttons! Like you all have been saying!
posted by mwhybark at 11:45 PM on September 23, 2011


mutters next thing you know we'll have little like buttons next to every comment and a tweety bird grumble grumble get off my lawn
posted by infini at 12:06 AM on September 24, 2011


Roman coin, obv.

Depends if there's a time traveling Marine stood next to it.
posted by arcticseal at 12:32 AM on September 24, 2011 [1 favorite]


Are we supposed to get mouseover text on the new buttons? I'm getting no mouseover text.
posted by Kattullus at 5:46 AM on September 24, 2011


I'm not getting any mouseover text either.
posted by tzikeh at 5:49 AM on September 24, 2011


hey
posted by wheelieman at 6:40 AM on September 24, 2011


Sorry trying out the new buttons, what do you mean by hover?
posted by wheelieman at 6:40 AM on September 24, 2011


Sorry about the confusion. There's no mouseover text. Hover is when you put your mouse cursor over the button. And in browsers that support it, the button will change slightly. The color will get a little darker and the border will get a little darker, that's all it does.

IE doesn't support it, so there won't be much to see there.
posted by pb (staff) at 6:57 AM on September 24, 2011


Ah thanks PB
posted by wheelieman at 7:11 AM on September 24, 2011


TIL: You have two mouses in front of you. If you hoover over the right one your life will be rainbows and kittens. If you hoover over the left one you will have overtexts and cattypiwomps. A year later you will wonder why you got no work done.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:55 AM on September 24, 2011 [3 favorites]


Who uses two mouses? Heck, I don't even know anybody who uses two mice. It seems like that would be very confusing. Also, I have never met a mechanical mouse that did anything when I hovered above it, but then it's been years since I was a guru and my hovering skills are a bit rusty.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is: the new buttons look totally wrong when you're logged out. Seriously, log out and check.
posted by koeselitz at 8:11 AM on September 24, 2011


pb writes "You can customize the look & feel a bit in your site preferences and change to the plain theme once you're a member, but the default view is the same for both members and non-members."

Ah, I must have changed the defaults on my account.
posted by Mitheral at 8:26 AM on September 24, 2011


the new buttons look totally wrong when you're logged out.

either my sarcasm meter is broken or you are weirdly unaware that you can't see the reply and preview buttons when you're logged out.
posted by elizardbits at 8:31 AM on September 24, 2011


How do you "log out". I thought once you were in it was a life decision; until the BIG RED BUTTON.
posted by adamvasco at 8:39 AM on September 24, 2011


The little MeMail icon is really small on the iPad, and I hit sign out by accident when trying to tap it last night & my heart skipped a beat. There should be a couple stages of Are You Sure? Are You Really Sure? Clicking Continue Will Actually Log You All The Way Out. Of course, the Cancel button should be mapped to the return key on this last one, just in case of errant keystrokes.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:44 AM on September 24, 2011


How can the just leave it like that, how did it end! I gotta know.The person is now murdered? What was the series of events?
posted by Ad hominem at 12:21 PM on September 24, 2011


In the end, Stephen Fry is to blame.
posted by villanelles at dawn at 12:40 PM on September 24, 2011


I picked the bowl of cherries- what does it all mean?? Is there a correct answer?
posted by bquarters at 7:49 PM on September 24, 2011


I would rather over think a bowl of cherries than a plate of beans.
posted by arcticseal at 8:10 PM on September 24, 2011


Hurm.
posted by vrakatar at 9:27 PM on September 24, 2011


I smell a wumpus!

(It smells like cats.)
posted by aubilenon at 12:17 AM on September 25, 2011


Can I have my Web 1.1 back, pls?
posted by wierdo at 1:51 AM on September 25, 2011


Just to confirm, is this what the buttons are supposed to look like? I don't really care... they seem "updated" but less readable with the white drop-shadow, and the excess space around the text is unusual. I just want to know if what I'm seeing is what everyone else is seeing. Or maybe it's my profile settings? At any rate, I'm sure I'll adjust to it soon enough.
posted by team lowkey at 2:57 AM on September 25, 2011


Yes, that's what they should look like.
posted by pb (staff) at 5:50 AM on September 25, 2011


Hey that was mine! Neato. Yeah, so I decided to just go ahead with it and let the cookie crumble in whatever way it wants to do that.
posted by fraac at 6:14 AM on September 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


I rarely head over to the grey, but after a couple random comments in threads on the blue about a bizarre question on the green, I ended up here. After reading the original question and this thread, I have to say I'm even more confused now. I'm pretty sure that this is all a dream, or that I'm on mushrooms or something. Thanks.
posted by palidor at 11:58 AM on September 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


Best $5 bucks I've ever spent.
posted by Sailormom at 7:08 PM on September 25, 2011


They look very Web 1.0 now.
posted by smackfu at 6:52 AM on September 26, 2011


Thanks davejay. We'll give these a try for a while and then reassess. Small steps for now.

GIANT STEPS OR NOTHING
posted by davejay at 9:01 AM on September 26, 2011


> Hey, pb, you could turn the Delete button in the MeMail page red, and style it like the others.

> True Devils Rancher, we'll probably look at something like that next week.


Oh, look, my very first pony! He's so cute!
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:52 PM on September 29, 2011


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