Dual minor pony request November 15, 2011 2:07 PM Subscribe
Dual (Falabella) pony request
For limited image upload, this is not for inline linking. Rather, it'd be the option within AskMe to upload a small number of moderately sized images to Metafilter, as part of the post. I suppose the stock answer is "Look, the hosted image problem- even anonymous image problem- is a solved problem", and that might be good enough given that AskMes from more than N days ago are on the very tail of the long end and thus long term retention (which anon image hosts don't usually have) is not a really important issue. Still, I think it would be a nice-to-have for those of us who want an easy way to upload a picture to an AskMe without invoking our Flickr accounts/personal info.
For pagination, the ajax comment appending is a really nice feature... but the entire thread still has to be loaded before viewing anything. This site occasionally gets really long threads, or even moderately long ones, and especially when viewing on mobile the lack of scrollbar and other features make reading the page in parts (such as my keeping tabs on the OWS thread during lunch breaks and bathroom trips today) kind of wonky and cumbersome.
I don't think the look & feel of Metafilter would make sense for traditional Page 1 2 3 .... N -type pagination, but maybe if the URL could have an additional set of param(s) such as *.metafilter.com/NNNNNN/[Header string]/n/ instead of #CommentID, the thread would load starting only from the Nth comment, and/or the n represents some multiple of a preset value such as 50 or 100, and it'll load the nth block of 50 or 100 comments.
- Support for limited image upload for use in AskMe threads
- Support for pagination of threads (even as little-documented URL edit feature)
For limited image upload, this is not for inline linking. Rather, it'd be the option within AskMe to upload a small number of moderately sized images to Metafilter, as part of the post. I suppose the stock answer is "Look, the hosted image problem- even anonymous image problem- is a solved problem", and that might be good enough given that AskMes from more than N days ago are on the very tail of the long end and thus long term retention (which anon image hosts don't usually have) is not a really important issue. Still, I think it would be a nice-to-have for those of us who want an easy way to upload a picture to an AskMe without invoking our Flickr accounts/personal info.
For pagination, the ajax comment appending is a really nice feature... but the entire thread still has to be loaded before viewing anything. This site occasionally gets really long threads, or even moderately long ones, and especially when viewing on mobile the lack of scrollbar and other features make reading the page in parts (such as my keeping tabs on the OWS thread during lunch breaks and bathroom trips today) kind of wonky and cumbersome.
I don't think the look & feel of Metafilter would make sense for traditional Page 1 2 3 .... N -type pagination, but maybe if the URL could have an additional set of param(s) such as *.metafilter.com/NNNNNN/[Header string]/n/ instead of #CommentID, the thread would load starting only from the Nth comment, and/or the n represents some multiple of a preset value such as 50 or 100, and it'll load the nth block of 50 or 100 comments.
--easy way to upload a picture to an AskMe without invoking our Flickr accounts/personal info--
Have you met imgur or photobucket or...etc...? I think you'll find there's lots.
posted by peacay at 2:13 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
Have you met imgur or photobucket or...etc...? I think you'll find there's lots.
posted by peacay at 2:13 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
The first request is going to get a 100% no. There is almost no upside to creating an image hosting service, even if it is limited, and there are dozens if not hundreds of options out there that do just this.
The second thing is worth some consideration and we might someday do pagination on long threads, we've discussed doing maybe 250 comments or so per page as an option.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:14 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
The second thing is worth some consideration and we might someday do pagination on long threads, we've discussed doing maybe 250 comments or so per page as an option.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:14 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
hincandenza: “Still, I think it would be a nice-to-have for those of us who want an easy way to upload a picture to an AskMe without invoking our Flickr accounts/personal info.”
imgur
“For pagination, the ajax comment appending is a really nice feature... but the entire thread still has to be loaded before viewing anything. This site occasionally gets really long threads, or even moderately long ones, and especially when viewing on mobile the lack of scrollbar and other features make reading the page in parts (such as my keeping tabs on the OWS thread during lunch breaks and bathroom trips today) kind of wonky and cumbersome.”
This was the statement from no. 1 about this a few years ago: discouraging longer threads is a feature, not a bug. Don't know if that philosophy has changed since 2008.
posted by koeselitz at 2:15 PM on November 15, 2011
imgur
“For pagination, the ajax comment appending is a really nice feature... but the entire thread still has to be loaded before viewing anything. This site occasionally gets really long threads, or even moderately long ones, and especially when viewing on mobile the lack of scrollbar and other features make reading the page in parts (such as my keeping tabs on the OWS thread during lunch breaks and bathroom trips today) kind of wonky and cumbersome.”
This was the statement from no. 1 about this a few years ago: discouraging longer threads is a feature, not a bug. Don't know if that philosophy has changed since 2008.
posted by koeselitz at 2:15 PM on November 15, 2011
booo pagination. Whenever I want to find what someone's quoting, I have to ctrl+f the quote, which wouldn't work with multiple pages.
posted by Think_Long at 2:19 PM on November 15, 2011 [16 favorites]
posted by Think_Long at 2:19 PM on November 15, 2011 [16 favorites]
(actually, I withdraw photobucket as a substitute idea here in so far as the URL string has a username that would identify the a/c owner... although that oughtn't be a problem with throwaway use. My a/c only identifies my nick and not my real name.)
posted by peacay at 2:19 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by peacay at 2:19 PM on November 15, 2011
So this is my shocked face that imgur is open to uploading anything; I always thought it was just about uploading funny macros! TIL... Eh, like I said, I can understand #1 being a "Well, you can solve this, and there isn't pressing need".
The pagination one sounds like it was unneeded, but might prove useful- but again, I'd think as a manual option, not as the default (or maybe something done just when viewing the mobile site).
posted by hincandenza at 2:20 PM on November 15, 2011
The pagination one sounds like it was unneeded, but might prove useful- but again, I'd think as a manual option, not as the default (or maybe something done just when viewing the mobile site).
posted by hincandenza at 2:20 PM on November 15, 2011
FARK does forced pagination for some of the longer threads, and I have to ask you:
Do you want to become more like FARK?
DO YOU!?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 2:35 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
Do you want to become more like FARK?
DO YOU!?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 2:35 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
I do like the idea of being able to construct paginated URLs without having any other way to go about it....
posted by carsonb at 2:39 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by carsonb at 2:39 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
Thumbs down on the pagination. There are just not that many threads were the length is so long it makes it necessary.
Just my $.02
posted by lampshade at 2:55 PM on November 15, 2011
Just my $.02
posted by lampshade at 2:55 PM on November 15, 2011
We already have enough problems with folks not reading threads before commenting as the site scales.
posted by Blasdelb at 3:03 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by Blasdelb at 3:03 PM on November 15, 2011
The 'load more comments' actually helps a hell of a lot with the monster threads... I dig my all-in-one-page metafilter; it makes searching for a given comment infinitely easier, for example.
posted by kaibutsu at 3:14 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by kaibutsu at 3:14 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
booo pagination. Whenever I want to find what someone's quoting, I have to ctrl+f the quote, which wouldn't work with multiple pages.
He's talking about optional pagination, which I don't think is a terrible idea. It can be a pain to load a giant thread on a crappy internet connection when you're just interested in the latest comments.
posted by auto-correct at 3:20 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
He's talking about optional pagination, which I don't think is a terrible idea. It can be a pain to load a giant thread on a crappy internet connection when you're just interested in the latest comments.
posted by auto-correct at 3:20 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
these are both bad ideas
posted by nathancaswell at 3:21 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by nathancaswell at 3:21 PM on November 15, 2011
The lack of paging in metafilter is an awesome feature. I understand the need for pagination in terms of server memory, but much prefer how things are.
posted by seanyboy at 3:21 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by seanyboy at 3:21 PM on November 15, 2011
I liked in line images. It's not like a mod ever posted a picture of someone banging a chicken or anything.
NO on pagination, YES on inline images. Right for Metafilter, right for America.
posted by Justinian at 3:43 PM on November 15, 2011
NO on pagination, YES on inline images. Right for Metafilter, right for America.
posted by Justinian at 3:43 PM on November 15, 2011
Pagination at a very large number of comments (250) would be a good thing, if you still had an option "view this as a single page" for in-page searching.
posted by falameufilho at 3:44 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by falameufilho at 3:44 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
I, too, like optional, user-set pagination, with the idea that I can generate the page at 500 comments into a 1,000 comment thread and read from there, then re-load the whole thread if I like. If I've already read the first set of 500 comments, it could speed up my page loading, or at least make it easier to scroll around.
posted by filthy light thief at 3:45 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by filthy light thief at 3:45 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
He's talking about optional pagination
ah, oh, err, right. boooo choices then, I'm already paralyzed by indecision.
posted by Think_Long at 3:55 PM on November 15, 2011
ah, oh, err, right. boooo choices then, I'm already paralyzed by indecision.
posted by Think_Long at 3:55 PM on November 15, 2011
Maybe we can have an explanation somewhere on how to upload images -- I was hotly anticipating helping this user get the dog for her dad but we had to wait on the pic because she wasn't sure how to upload or which site to use.
posted by sweetkid at 3:59 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by sweetkid at 3:59 PM on November 15, 2011
My vote is against user-set pagination or any pagination. Everyone looking at the same single page for each FPP is unifying to the community. If you have pagination, some people will be looking at the post a different way, and that will fundamentally alter the hermeneutics of the site.
In that same vein, I'd like to request that the white theme be removed because it is from the devil and goes against the hallowed Blue of MetaFilter (may it reign for ever and ever).
posted by overeducated_alligator at 4:01 PM on November 15, 2011 [3 favorites]
In that same vein, I'd like to request that the white theme be removed because it is from the devil and goes against the hallowed Blue of MetaFilter (may it reign for ever and ever).
posted by overeducated_alligator at 4:01 PM on November 15, 2011 [3 favorites]
Dear AskMe, does this look like genital warts to you?
[angryredpenis.jpg]
Erm, no thanks on both. Let's send those ponies to the Purina factory.
posted by 1000monkeys at 4:52 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
[angryredpenis.jpg]
Erm, no thanks on both. Let's send those ponies to the Purina factory.
posted by 1000monkeys at 4:52 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
It'd be kind of cool to use the image tag for AskMe posts (not answers), but under the fold. But not cool enough I'd be upset if that got a "no."
posted by mccarty.tim at 4:53 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by mccarty.tim at 4:53 PM on November 15, 2011
I'd like to request that the white theme be removed
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
posted by nathancaswell at 5:06 PM on November 15, 2011 [3 favorites]
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
posted by nathancaswell at 5:06 PM on November 15, 2011 [3 favorites]
Not only is hosting images a solved problem (as you mention), it's also what lawyers might call an "attractive nuisance."
"Here's a link to a picture of my kitty" is one thing. "Hi I have a kitty, here is his picture [picture of something horrible] HA HA HA" is quite another.
posted by ErikaB at 5:12 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
"Here's a link to a picture of my kitty" is one thing. "Hi I have a kitty, here is his picture [picture of something horrible] HA HA HA" is quite another.
posted by ErikaB at 5:12 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
RICKROLL'd by another Can I Eat This AskMe.
posted by 1000monkeys at 5:18 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by 1000monkeys at 5:18 PM on November 15, 2011
Dear AskMe, does this look like genital warts to you?
Not Googling for it, but we have seen something very very similar to that in AskMe.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:48 PM on November 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
There is almost no upside to creating an image hosting service
Almost no upside. It would be great for archival purposes. How many externally linked images from old AskMes are still functioning?
posted by qxntpqbbbqxl at 5:56 PM on November 15, 2011
Almost no upside. It would be great for archival purposes. How many externally linked images from old AskMes are still functioning?
posted by qxntpqbbbqxl at 5:56 PM on November 15, 2011
Pagination at first thought sounds nice, especially as election season approaches and with our new approach to MeTas that go on forever with zombie debates. However, I'm sure there is a downside which I am not aware of immediately in the moment.
posted by infini at 5:59 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by infini at 5:59 PM on November 15, 2011
I vote no for pagination (this is where we vote, right?), because it encourages the 'commenting without reading the whole thread' undesirable behaviour, although I can see some benefit on the mobile version because I've almost worn out the tip of my index finger scrolling down long threads. Even then, though, you can simply use the 'skip to menu' link to get to the bottom of the page, then scroll up a bit to the end of the thread.
posted by dg at 6:13 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by dg at 6:13 PM on November 15, 2011
When there is controversy, inaction is always the right course.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:41 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Meatbomb at 6:41 PM on November 15, 2011 [2 favorites]
Can I have a "dislike" button so I can vote both these proposals down.
posted by arcticseal at 6:46 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by arcticseal at 6:46 PM on November 15, 2011
Meatbomb, not choosing is also a choice.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 7:22 PM on November 15, 2011
posted by the man of twists and turns at 7:22 PM on November 15, 2011
"Not Googling for it, but we have seen something very very similar to that in AskMe."
My friend once had an incredibly awkward conversation in which his doctor told him that sometimes penises just get small bumps that aren't warts and usually go away in a month or two, no big deal. Even though that doctor told my friend that it was the most common question he got asked about dicks, my friend was indescribably relieved when the bumps did go away on their own.
posted by klangklangston at 12:33 AM on November 16, 2011
My friend once had an incredibly awkward conversation in which his doctor told him that sometimes penises just get small bumps that aren't warts and usually go away in a month or two, no big deal. Even though that doctor told my friend that it was the most common question he got asked about dicks, my friend was indescribably relieved when the bumps did go away on their own.
posted by klangklangston at 12:33 AM on November 16, 2011
Tumbolia.
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:21 AM on November 16, 2011
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:21 AM on November 16, 2011
Huh. There used to be a good Wikipedia article about Tumbolia, but I see it's been deleted. Which is sort of appropriate, actually.
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:22 AM on November 16, 2011
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:22 AM on November 16, 2011
Meatbomb, not choosing is also a choice.
Thanks a lot, now I have Geddy Lee's voice stuck in my head.
posted by kmz at 9:09 AM on November 16, 2011
Thanks a lot, now I have Geddy Lee's voice stuck in my head.
posted by kmz at 9:09 AM on November 16, 2011
Some of the dislike of these suggestions seems almost personal.
posted by hincandenza at 9:43 AM on November 16, 2011
posted by hincandenza at 9:43 AM on November 16, 2011
klangklangston:
My friend once had an incredibly awkward conversation in which his doctor told him that sometimes penises just get small bumps that aren't warts and usually go away in a month or two, no big deal. Even though that doctor told my friend that it was the most common question he got asked about dicks, my friend was indescribably relieved when the bumps did go away on their own.
A friend you say? Hrm.
posted by deborah at 2:04 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
My friend once had an incredibly awkward conversation in which his doctor told him that sometimes penises just get small bumps that aren't warts and usually go away in a month or two, no big deal. Even though that doctor told my friend that it was the most common question he got asked about dicks, my friend was indescribably relieved when the bumps did go away on their own.
A friend you say? Hrm.
posted by deborah at 2:04 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm noticing how long yesterday's Occupy thread is taking to load, and thinking, hmm, maybe there is something to be said for pagination to a limited extent ... maybe user controllable? Default at 1000 posts per page and let the user set it from there, store in a cookie? Because I totally get the Ctrl-F objection.
posted by zomg at 2:27 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by zomg at 2:27 PM on November 16, 2011 [1 favorite]
I vote yes for pagination, but would suggest that it be enabled only at moderator discretion on threads of their choice.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:09 AM on November 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:09 AM on November 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
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imgur is great for this, and even appears to support https. Not built into Metafilter, obviously, but no one should have to worry about losing his/her anonymity from image uploads these days.
posted by overeducated_alligator at 2:12 PM on November 15, 2011 [7 favorites]