Language callout May 28, 2002 5:12 PM Subscribe
Or, more politely, shut the fuck right up.
Maybe you should tone down that language, it is uncalled for and i'm starting to think you might have a problem.
Maybe you should tone down that language, it is uncalled for and i'm starting to think you might have a problem.
What private message are you talking about? I posted a thread to Metatalk, you seem to be confused.
posted by Zool at 5:39 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by Zool at 5:39 PM on May 28, 2002
I think he was saying that proving a point via public humiliation isn't the best way to deal with it. If you have a problem with what he said, then e-mail him. If the problems are bad and keep repeating themselves, and he is not receptive then it is maybe time for metatalk.
posted by geoff. at 6:09 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by geoff. at 6:09 PM on May 28, 2002
To be fair, it looks like riviera doesn't list an email address in his/her profile.
posted by gluechunk at 6:15 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by gluechunk at 6:15 PM on May 28, 2002
Present link aside, I think riviera's really cleaned up his act of late.
I don't ever like "fuck you" BS, however. But if we're going to call out every instance, well, it's gonna get old. Let's all just lead by example, huh?
posted by Marquis at 6:20 PM on May 28, 2002
I don't ever like "fuck you" BS, however. But if we're going to call out every instance, well, it's gonna get old. Let's all just lead by example, huh?
posted by Marquis at 6:20 PM on May 28, 2002
Marquis: best idea ever.
posted by adampsyche at 6:24 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by adampsyche at 6:24 PM on May 28, 2002
and, to be fair, leading by example means stepping away from the keyboard when you're too aggro to add to the discussion. it's a better tactic than freaking on someone and offering heartfelt apologies later. riviera's got an okay track record as of late, this behavior seems to be an abberation from how he/she has been lately.
posted by jessamyn at 6:32 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by jessamyn at 6:32 PM on May 28, 2002
What I was saying was, essentially, this is not a conversation that needs to take place in full view of the community. Particularly worded as it is with the use of the second person pronoun and providing approximately no room for further discussion.
One person's opinion of one other person based on one sentence fragment doesn't seem to make a fine example of reasonable use of MetaTalk.
For what it's worth, I don't want to live in a world where the occasional emotional outburst or use of strong language for emphasis is looked on with a sense of scornful superiority. When I see a thread like this it appears, to me, that the community standard for discourse is broader than someone's mind.
posted by majick at 6:44 PM on May 28, 2002
One person's opinion of one other person based on one sentence fragment doesn't seem to make a fine example of reasonable use of MetaTalk.
For what it's worth, I don't want to live in a world where the occasional emotional outburst or use of strong language for emphasis is looked on with a sense of scornful superiority. When I see a thread like this it appears, to me, that the community standard for discourse is broader than someone's mind.
posted by majick at 6:44 PM on May 28, 2002
In an attempt to save the thread, should we go over obscenity in general?
Mind you, I'm not looking for an argument.
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 7:45 PM on May 28, 2002
Mind you, I'm not looking for an argument.
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 7:45 PM on May 28, 2002
And for what it's worth, the comment was directed to someone who's worried that MetaFilter is getting a little too PC, so...
posted by y2karl at 7:52 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by y2karl at 7:52 PM on May 28, 2002
Nevermind, yes I am. Zool, You've done this before, and it's not what MetaTalk is for.
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 7:52 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 7:52 PM on May 28, 2002
Riviera commented to owillis to shut the fuck right up.
My problem with that comment has nothing to do with the word fuck.
posted by Zool at 8:54 PM on May 28, 2002
My problem with that comment has nothing to do with the word fuck.
posted by Zool at 8:54 PM on May 28, 2002
I have to say here that while the word "fuck" may offend some people, it is a word with a long history of being used to deliberately express a certain feeling of shock, outrage and attention. It's a solid anglo-saxon word for which there really is no substitute for a certain level of emotive expression.
I think it could be assumed that this particular comment was R's way of stating how absurd he considered another comment. Non-PC, sure, but hardly a reason to call in the thought police. To be honest, I didn't even notice the "F-word" until I saw the Metatalk thread.
Now, to the history of "fuck", from the dictionary link above:
[Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered from gxddbov.]
Word History: The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500.
posted by dejah420 at 9:14 PM on May 28, 2002
I think it could be assumed that this particular comment was R's way of stating how absurd he considered another comment. Non-PC, sure, but hardly a reason to call in the thought police. To be honest, I didn't even notice the "F-word" until I saw the Metatalk thread.
Now, to the history of "fuck", from the dictionary link above:
[Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered from gxddbov.]
Word History: The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500.
posted by dejah420 at 9:14 PM on May 28, 2002
Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk.
I would love to use that in conversation some time, but the pronunciation will be a ahsbg.
posted by yhbc at 9:23 PM on May 28, 2002
I would love to use that in conversation some time, but the pronunciation will be a ahsbg.
posted by yhbc at 9:23 PM on May 28, 2002
My problem with the word is that it has no meaning in the context in which it is usually used. It is like space filler, or 'umm', or a meaningless substitute for an adjective. It usually connotes laziness on the part of the writer or utterer; instead of thinking of something to say, or selecting a descriptive adjective, they just utter 'fuck'. Fine, it's a good interjection, and can be effective in the correct context. But in the midst of a discussion, it's a dead end: no arguments, no reasoning, no brittle bon mots. Just the deading intonation of that word. It's sort of like anti-language, more a guttural sound than a vessel of meaning. In the context it was used, it just made riviera sound like a yob. I know he is capable of intelligent repartee, as I've engaged in it with him in the past, so I expect better.
posted by evanizer at 9:32 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by evanizer at 9:32 PM on May 28, 2002
Other than the fact that it uses a four-letter word, I don't see what's all so different between what riviera said and owillis's comment prompting it.
Jeez.
posted by ook at 9:39 PM on May 28, 2002
Jeez.
posted by ook at 9:39 PM on May 28, 2002
My problem with that comment has nothing to do with the word fuck.
maybe you could explain?
posted by rhyax at 10:41 PM on May 28, 2002
maybe you could explain?
posted by rhyax at 10:41 PM on May 28, 2002
My problem with the word is that it has no meaning in the context in which it is usually used. It is like space filler, or 'umm', or a meaningless substitute for an adjective.
It's called an "intensifier" and it has definite meaning. It's like an exclamation point, only not as cheesy.
One of my favorite college classes was an honors Linguistics course. We spent an entire class period talking about the grammatical functions of "fuck" and other profanity. Fun.
posted by kindall at 11:21 PM on May 28, 2002
It's called an "intensifier" and it has definite meaning. It's like an exclamation point, only not as cheesy.
One of my favorite college classes was an honors Linguistics course. We spent an entire class period talking about the grammatical functions of "fuck" and other profanity. Fun.
posted by kindall at 11:21 PM on May 28, 2002
I don't care what Roland Barthes or whoever thinks about 'fuck', I still think it is usually meaningless as a word, and clutters speech.
posted by evanizer at 11:34 PM on May 28, 2002
posted by evanizer at 11:34 PM on May 28, 2002
maybe you could explain?
Maybe i can, maybe you should just shut the fuck right up.
It's the shut up part i got a problem with not the word fuck. There is no reason to tell someone to shut up just because you don't agree with what they wrote. Have a little common courtesy towards each other and stop acting like children.
Riviera could have made his point without telling someone to shut up.
Maybe it's just me, but, if i meet you face to face and you at any time tell me to shut up, even without using the word fuck, i will shove your head up your arse so far, that you will be able to lick your own g-spot.
posted by Zool at 11:56 PM on May 28, 2002
Maybe i can, maybe you should just shut the fuck right up.
It's the shut up part i got a problem with not the word fuck. There is no reason to tell someone to shut up just because you don't agree with what they wrote. Have a little common courtesy towards each other and stop acting like children.
Riviera could have made his point without telling someone to shut up.
Maybe it's just me, but, if i meet you face to face and you at any time tell me to shut up, even without using the word fuck, i will shove your head up your arse so far, that you will be able to lick your own g-spot.
posted by Zool at 11:56 PM on May 28, 2002
Hmm rivera is a bit of the salty dog (cur?), kind of a poor man's Holgate, but welcomed nonetheless. I do see Zool's point, people shouldn't be told to shut up, but then again that wasn't all he said.
posted by chaz at 12:08 AM on May 29, 2002
posted by chaz at 12:08 AM on May 29, 2002
Hmm rivera is a bit of the salty dog (cur?), kind of a poor man's Holgate, but welcomed nonetheless
I also suspect if riviera was on the other end of the political spectrum and acted the way he sometimes does, he would have been torn to shreds in MeTa by now, not just politely spanked. Not that I'm advocating that sort of behavior, I just think a bit of a double standard is showing. He is a generally intelligent poster and, even though he occassionally crosses the line and even though his politics are pretty much the diametrical opposite of mine, I'd hate to see him go, or get raked over the serious coals constantly.
posted by evanizer at 1:11 AM on May 29, 2002
I also suspect if riviera was on the other end of the political spectrum and acted the way he sometimes does, he would have been torn to shreds in MeTa by now, not just politely spanked. Not that I'm advocating that sort of behavior, I just think a bit of a double standard is showing. He is a generally intelligent poster and, even though he occassionally crosses the line and even though his politics are pretty much the diametrical opposite of mine, I'd hate to see him go, or get raked over the serious coals constantly.
posted by evanizer at 1:11 AM on May 29, 2002
Or, more politely, shut the fuck right up.
Oh c'mon, it's just an emphatic exasperation, self-diffused by its jaunty (and quite uncommon) construction...Holmes might have said it to Watson...no Hark of Farkness happening here...
...still, I suppose any form of "Shut up" could be taken as a bit of a squelch. Somehow, though, I think everyone already knows this, including riviera himself, who probably never intended to make it a hallmark.
Ya think?
Lucky thing we MetaTalked it though, just to make sure...
posted by Opus Dark at 1:17 AM on May 29, 2002
Oh c'mon, it's just an emphatic exasperation, self-diffused by its jaunty (and quite uncommon) construction...Holmes might have said it to Watson...no Hark of Farkness happening here...
...still, I suppose any form of "Shut up" could be taken as a bit of a squelch. Somehow, though, I think everyone already knows this, including riviera himself, who probably never intended to make it a hallmark.
Ya think?
Lucky thing we MetaTalked it though, just to make sure...
posted by Opus Dark at 1:17 AM on May 29, 2002
Come on, people, it's a discussion community. Telling someone to shut up is pointless, laughable and only slightly ironic.
posted by yonderboy at 1:33 AM on May 29, 2002
posted by yonderboy at 1:33 AM on May 29, 2002
I don't care what Roland Barthes or whoever thinks about 'fuck', I still think it is usually meaningless as a word, and clutters speech.
Okay. Perhaps I think that it doesn't matter what Newton or whomever thinks, I can build a perpetual motion machine. Clutters speech is entirely possible, in contrast.
including riviera himself, who probably never intended to make it a hallmark.
I hope this is true, and it seems like it might be. Aside from the joke, if there was one, being lost, it's very much a mean thing to say. Maybe a consensus that telling someone to shut up on a messageboard, one that's not in real time, it rather futile? And saying a Bowling Word in the middle of it was no help at all.
posted by j.edwards at 2:08 AM on May 29, 2002
Okay. Perhaps I think that it doesn't matter what Newton or whomever thinks, I can build a perpetual motion machine. Clutters speech is entirely possible, in contrast.
including riviera himself, who probably never intended to make it a hallmark.
I hope this is true, and it seems like it might be. Aside from the joke, if there was one, being lost, it's very much a mean thing to say. Maybe a consensus that telling someone to shut up on a messageboard, one that's not in real time, it rather futile? And saying a Bowling Word in the middle of it was no help at all.
posted by j.edwards at 2:08 AM on May 29, 2002
Imminent demise of this thread devoutly wished. Or, more politely...
posted by y2karl at 2:52 AM on May 29, 2002
posted by y2karl at 2:52 AM on May 29, 2002
I also suspect if riviera was on the other end of the political spectrum and acted the way he sometimes does, he would have been torn to shreds in MeTa by now, not just politely spanked.
This is already riviera's second trip to the woodshed, evanizer. What more are you looking for?
posted by rcade at 6:04 AM on May 29, 2002
This is already riviera's second trip to the woodshed, evanizer. What more are you looking for?
posted by rcade at 6:04 AM on May 29, 2002
I also suspect if riviera was on the other end of the political spectrum and acted the way he sometimes does, he would have been torn to shreds in MeTa by now, not just politely spanked.
Oh, for Rumpelstiltskin's sake, stop perpetuating the meme without any substantiation. Put your money where your mouth is and show an example of a call-out where a right-wing poster was "torn to shreds" for an action such as this one. Otherwise, don't write things like that. Every time you do, you're in essence criticizing every left-of-centre MeTa visitor for being irresponsible in their policing, and I resent it.
I think the denizens of MeTa are pretty good at calling a rat a rat, regardless of political affiliation.
posted by Marquis at 6:04 AM on May 29, 2002
Oh, for Rumpelstiltskin's sake, stop perpetuating the meme without any substantiation. Put your money where your mouth is and show an example of a call-out where a right-wing poster was "torn to shreds" for an action such as this one. Otherwise, don't write things like that. Every time you do, you're in essence criticizing every left-of-centre MeTa visitor for being irresponsible in their policing, and I resent it.
I think the denizens of MeTa are pretty good at calling a rat a rat, regardless of political affiliation.
posted by Marquis at 6:04 AM on May 29, 2002
It has seemed to me in the short time I have been visiting here that the right is much more vocal and less tolerant than the left (such as it is). Could be wrong though, maybe it is just the way I percieve it.
posted by Fat Buddha at 6:08 AM on May 29, 2002
posted by Fat Buddha at 6:08 AM on May 29, 2002
Another Spanish inquisition? Bring out the cushions.
It was late, owillis spoilt the chance of a decent discussion - ffs, I was agreeing with MidasM! - by coming up with something I'm sick of hearing from Americans. The other posters answered better than me. End of story. Put your cushions away.
posted by riviera at 8:18 AM on May 29, 2002
It was late, owillis spoilt the chance of a decent discussion - ffs, I was agreeing with MidasM! - by coming up with something I'm sick of hearing from Americans. The other posters answered better than me. End of story. Put your cushions away.
posted by riviera at 8:18 AM on May 29, 2002
It has seemed to me in the short time I have been visiting here that the right is much more vocal and less tolerant than the left (such as it is).
Seems that way to me, too, and I've been here a while. Apparently, some people prefer to shout "conspiracy" when their ideas/arguments are rejected rather than to re-examine the tone and care with which they put them forth. But as this extends well beyond Metafilter into society, it's hardly surprising.
(Disclaimer: I don't self-identify with either direction.)
posted by rushmc at 11:01 AM on May 29, 2002
Seems that way to me, too, and I've been here a while. Apparently, some people prefer to shout "conspiracy" when their ideas/arguments are rejected rather than to re-examine the tone and care with which they put them forth. But as this extends well beyond Metafilter into society, it's hardly surprising.
(Disclaimer: I don't self-identify with either direction.)
posted by rushmc at 11:01 AM on May 29, 2002
show an example of a call-out where a right-wing poster was "torn to shreds" for an action such as this one.
It doesn't even have to be for an action such as this one. Post to the same thread too many times and you get dragged into the MeTa Star Chamber if you aren't in MeFi's majority. Although I'm noticing less of that in the past six months.
Seems that way to me, too, and I've been here a while. Apparently, some people prefer to shout "conspiracy" when their ideas/arguments are rejected rather than to re-examine the tone and care with which they put them forth. But as this extends well beyond Metafilter into society, it's hardly surprising.
Sheesh. Talk about rehashing a meme without substantiation. "Those darn right-wingers are such meanies!!!"
posted by ljromanoff at 1:32 PM on May 29, 2002
It doesn't even have to be for an action such as this one. Post to the same thread too many times and you get dragged into the MeTa Star Chamber if you aren't in MeFi's majority. Although I'm noticing less of that in the past six months.
Seems that way to me, too, and I've been here a while. Apparently, some people prefer to shout "conspiracy" when their ideas/arguments are rejected rather than to re-examine the tone and care with which they put them forth. But as this extends well beyond Metafilter into society, it's hardly surprising.
Sheesh. Talk about rehashing a meme without substantiation. "Those darn right-wingers are such meanies!!!"
posted by ljromanoff at 1:32 PM on May 29, 2002
Although I'm noticing less of that in the past six months.
You reserve the right to make statements based purely upon your own observations, yet refuse it to others? Smells like hypocrisy.
posted by rushmc at 1:38 PM on May 29, 2002
You reserve the right to make statements based purely upon your own observations, yet refuse it to others? Smells like hypocrisy.
posted by rushmc at 1:38 PM on May 29, 2002
You reserve the right to make statements based purely upon your own observations, yet refuse it to others? Smells like hypocrisy.
I'm not refusing anyone's rights, I'm disputing their conclusions.
posted by ljromanoff at 1:40 PM on May 29, 2002
I'm not refusing anyone's rights, I'm disputing their conclusions.
posted by ljromanoff at 1:40 PM on May 29, 2002
the right is much more vocal and less tolerant than the left
Which community weblog you been readin'?
posted by owillis at 5:07 PM on May 29, 2002
Which community weblog you been readin'?
posted by owillis at 5:07 PM on May 29, 2002
From a Briitish perspective, pretty much anything that goes in America is right-wing.
Owillis, it would be easiest if you were to apologise for your remark since it caused great offence to us Brits who have had to endure the IRA for the last 30 years.
posted by salmacis at 5:15 PM on May 29, 2002
Owillis, it would be easiest if you were to apologise for your remark since it caused great offence to us Brits who have had to endure the IRA for the last 30 years.
posted by salmacis at 5:15 PM on May 29, 2002
I have heard nary an apology for the heinously offensive statements a minority of Britons have said about the US deserving what it got, etc. etc. so I think we can excuse owillis for his minor statement.
posted by evanizer at 5:24 PM on May 29, 2002
posted by evanizer at 5:24 PM on May 29, 2002
ffs, I was agreeing with MidasM!
agreed...i was as shocked as anyone with this occurrence. Although I do think that riviera DOES get away with some over-the-top commentary, this was simply not the case here. owillis was simply being his patriotic self and riviera, being a brit, showed a little displeasure. Nothing wrong with a little name-calling.
As far as the reinvigorated conspiracy is concerned, this specific thread is not the time or place. First, our good friend aaron is missing, which would take out 1/3 of the Conservative Cabal, and second, the specific comment at hand has nothing to do with conspiracy. evanizer, keep your spirits up for another day...the light will eventually shine through.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:27 PM on May 29, 2002
agreed...i was as shocked as anyone with this occurrence. Although I do think that riviera DOES get away with some over-the-top commentary, this was simply not the case here. owillis was simply being his patriotic self and riviera, being a brit, showed a little displeasure. Nothing wrong with a little name-calling.
As far as the reinvigorated conspiracy is concerned, this specific thread is not the time or place. First, our good friend aaron is missing, which would take out 1/3 of the Conservative Cabal, and second, the specific comment at hand has nothing to do with conspiracy. evanizer, keep your spirits up for another day...the light will eventually shine through.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:27 PM on May 29, 2002
Actually, in light of MidasMulligan's response to a typical bit of foldy's bitter trolling, I perhaps better understand riviera's outburst at owillis. We get emotional when people deliberately poke tender subjects, and sometimes the only human response is 'shut the fuck up'. I wouldn't like to see this be a common occurrence here, for reasons I stated earlier in this thread, but I can see how it was provoked and even perhaps warranted on both occasions.
posted by evanizer at 11:04 PM on May 29, 2002
posted by evanizer at 11:04 PM on May 29, 2002
Again, it's a discussion community, so if the only human response is 'shut the fuck up', then don't. Get on a bike, go to the park, play with a dog or hey, here's a thought, do a crossword puzzle and expand your vocabulary.
posted by yonderboy at 1:09 AM on May 30, 2002
posted by yonderboy at 1:09 AM on May 30, 2002
evanizer
I have heard nary an apology for the heinously offensive statements a minority of Britons have said about the US deserving what it got, etc. etc. so I think we can excuse owillis for his minor statement.
So, by the actions of un-named, un-quoted, un-sourced Brits the rest of us "deserved what we got". Presumably you're prepared to take the same collective responsibility on behalf of any fellow Americans that happen to lack social graces in international relations? Following that logic you might even say that you deserved what you got, being told that you deserved what you got, and you deserve to get it again. As indeed does anybody that shares national citizenship with anyone that happens to be a prick. Phew, now my head hurts.
I'm not sure that incidentally that this sounds like an especially good way to run a community. For what its worth I openly and whole heartedly call "dickhead" on anyone, British or otherwise, dumb and insensitive enough to say what you describe in the way you describe. If you'd given any examples then I'd mightily exhort them to apologise unreservedly and forthwith. I'd prefer to see this as the start of an asshole non-proliferation treaty however, and can see absolutely no reason why any current, named examples of dickheadishness should be able to wave a get out of jail free card.
posted by bifter at 3:24 AM on May 30, 2002
I have heard nary an apology for the heinously offensive statements a minority of Britons have said about the US deserving what it got, etc. etc. so I think we can excuse owillis for his minor statement.
So, by the actions of un-named, un-quoted, un-sourced Brits the rest of us "deserved what we got". Presumably you're prepared to take the same collective responsibility on behalf of any fellow Americans that happen to lack social graces in international relations? Following that logic you might even say that you deserved what you got, being told that you deserved what you got, and you deserve to get it again. As indeed does anybody that shares national citizenship with anyone that happens to be a prick. Phew, now my head hurts.
I'm not sure that incidentally that this sounds like an especially good way to run a community. For what its worth I openly and whole heartedly call "dickhead" on anyone, British or otherwise, dumb and insensitive enough to say what you describe in the way you describe. If you'd given any examples then I'd mightily exhort them to apologise unreservedly and forthwith. I'd prefer to see this as the start of an asshole non-proliferation treaty however, and can see absolutely no reason why any current, named examples of dickheadishness should be able to wave a get out of jail free card.
posted by bifter at 3:24 AM on May 30, 2002
Actually, in light of MidasMulligan's response to a typical bit of foldy's bitter trolling, I perhaps better understand riviera's outburst at owillis. We get emotional when people deliberately poke tender subjects, and sometimes the only human response is 'shut the fuck up'. I wouldn't like to see this be a common occurrence here, for reasons I stated earlier in this thread, but I can see how it was provoked and even perhaps warranted on both occasions.
~laugh~
Oh, we got it now. Emotional outbursts and emotionally charged language may be warranted when your own particular tender subjects are poked. Yet if someone else be deeply offended by something like, oh, the slaughter of animals or the treatment of gays, they mustn't write in a passionate or provocative style. That style (really the ideas) that poke your own tender spots, is merely characterized whole-cloth as trolling.
One marvels at the doublethink necessary for some to get through the day.
Grow a few layers of skin, folks. When someone says "shut the fuck up", they've already lost control of themselves and the argument. It is a childish but human failing, but don't we all have a tender spot for children and humans?
~wink~
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 1:25 PM on May 30, 2002
~laugh~
Oh, we got it now. Emotional outbursts and emotionally charged language may be warranted when your own particular tender subjects are poked. Yet if someone else be deeply offended by something like, oh, the slaughter of animals or the treatment of gays, they mustn't write in a passionate or provocative style. That style (really the ideas) that poke your own tender spots, is merely characterized whole-cloth as trolling.
One marvels at the doublethink necessary for some to get through the day.
Grow a few layers of skin, folks. When someone says "shut the fuck up", they've already lost control of themselves and the argument. It is a childish but human failing, but don't we all have a tender spot for children and humans?
~wink~
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 1:25 PM on May 30, 2002
That's true, fold, but maybe you wouldn't be quite as thick-skinned if you were posting as a real person instead of someone using an entirely anonymous account. It's easy for you to take nothing personally, because you've offered so little of your real identity that we might as well be insulting a bot.
posted by rcade at 1:59 PM on May 30, 2002
posted by rcade at 1:59 PM on May 30, 2002
Poorly programmed, at that. (I'm reminded of the "Meet dirt!" exclamations of Unreal Tournament AI.)
~wink~
posted by Marquis at 2:16 PM on May 30, 2002
~wink~
posted by Marquis at 2:16 PM on May 30, 2002
Actually, rcade, that's not true. His personal information is here for everyone to see. His thick-skin, however, is not caused by his anonymity, but by his lack of tact or observance of etiquette.
This truly has become a waste of time, and bandwidth. In this thread, of his three comments, zero have content. Gee, tragedy sells. Brilliant. And laced with anti-corporate, anti-MeFite rhetoric, no less. Ha! I'm shocked and appalled at this behavior.
This specific incident, or poster, has nothing to do with thick-skin. Try inability to communicate without completely alienating his audience.
posted by BlueTrain at 2:17 PM on May 30, 2002
This truly has become a waste of time, and bandwidth. In this thread, of his three comments, zero have content. Gee, tragedy sells. Brilliant. And laced with anti-corporate, anti-MeFite rhetoric, no less. Ha! I'm shocked and appalled at this behavior.
This specific incident, or poster, has nothing to do with thick-skin. Try inability to communicate without completely alienating his audience.
posted by BlueTrain at 2:17 PM on May 30, 2002
I forgot about that -- I stand corrected. Fold has, to the best of my memory, set a new high-water mark for personal disclosure on MetaFilter. This changes my last message to the entirely unsatisfying, "That's true, fold."
posted by rcade at 2:27 PM on May 30, 2002
posted by rcade at 2:27 PM on May 30, 2002
Emotional outbursts and emotionally charged language may be warranted when your own particular tender subjects are poked.
Warranted then least of all, I should think.
posted by rushmc at 6:58 PM on May 30, 2002
Warranted then least of all, I should think.
posted by rushmc at 6:58 PM on May 30, 2002
Fold has, to the best of my memory, set a new high-water mark for personal disclosure on MetaFilter.
That's true, rcade--at least until we can get iconomy's picture to load.
posted by y2karl at 8:03 PM on May 30, 2002
That's true, rcade--at least until we can get iconomy's picture to load.
posted by y2karl at 8:03 PM on May 30, 2002
Hmmmm...we seem to have run the gamut from riviera thru MidasMulligan, owillis & onto ol' Foldy. A pretty decent spread of quality posters all with their own li'l foibles. Such is MetaLife...
Now, I may be new to posting 'round these here parts, but I do believe that there may be some light snacks available about now..?
posted by i_cola at 4:06 AM on May 31, 2002
Now, I may be new to posting 'round these here parts, but I do believe that there may be some light snacks available about now..?
posted by i_cola at 4:06 AM on May 31, 2002
no, jesus wants this thread to go on longer! more arguing!
posted by rhyax at 12:22 AM on June 1, 2002
posted by rhyax at 12:22 AM on June 1, 2002
Grow a few layers of skin, folks. When someone says "shut the fuck up", they've already lost control of themselves and the argument.
I used the phrase myself - in direct response to foldy. Contrary to the portrayal he attempts here, it was used with precision, deliberation, emotional control, and for a distinct, considered rhetorical point. It was, of course, in response to his line:
"One anticipates the business geniuses who came up with this Cantor Fitzgerald ad campaign contacting Israeli shopping malls about the possibility of hawking "blow-out sales." Loathsome and typical corporate behavior."
(Sheesh, talk about "losing control" - of both oneself, and of the agument).
In fact, I may use the word "fuck" 3 or 4 times a year - it is not a normal part of my language. However, as with any other word in the language, sometimes it is exactly appropriate.
It was almost immediately followed by "And fold - on second thought, please do go on ... the stark contrast between the intentions and actions of the Cantor leaders, and the sentiments arising out of your soul ought to be most illuminating."
And indeed, the contrast was quite illuminating.
posted by MidasMulligan at 12:36 AM on June 1, 2002
I used the phrase myself - in direct response to foldy. Contrary to the portrayal he attempts here, it was used with precision, deliberation, emotional control, and for a distinct, considered rhetorical point. It was, of course, in response to his line:
"One anticipates the business geniuses who came up with this Cantor Fitzgerald ad campaign contacting Israeli shopping malls about the possibility of hawking "blow-out sales." Loathsome and typical corporate behavior."
(Sheesh, talk about "losing control" - of both oneself, and of the agument).
In fact, I may use the word "fuck" 3 or 4 times a year - it is not a normal part of my language. However, as with any other word in the language, sometimes it is exactly appropriate.
It was almost immediately followed by "And fold - on second thought, please do go on ... the stark contrast between the intentions and actions of the Cantor leaders, and the sentiments arising out of your soul ought to be most illuminating."
And indeed, the contrast was quite illuminating.
posted by MidasMulligan at 12:36 AM on June 1, 2002
What fascinates me about MetaFilter is, no matter how flatteringly we try to present ourselves, how much more of ourselves, than we ever intend, we always reveal. I am having a tall double shot of irony this morning.
posted by y2karl at 6:41 AM on June 1, 2002
posted by y2karl at 6:41 AM on June 1, 2002
please recast. or at least re-punctuate. you've revealed too much about your too limited grasp of the english language.
posted by mlang at 7:36 AM on June 1, 2002
posted by mlang at 7:36 AM on June 1, 2002
what fascinates me about metafilter is: no matter how flatteringly we try to present ourselves, how much more of ourselves than we ever intend... we always reveal.
still awkward.
better: strike the ellipsis, changed 'we' to 'is', and make 'reveal' past tense.
but that's not good enough.
best: golly, metafilter sure is a fascinating place! in spite of our best efforts to present ourselves in the most flattering light possible, we always manage to reveal far more of our personalities than we ever intend — and with a counter-intuitive focus on our foibles, no less!
that effort includes an obvious overuse of exclamation points... but i think that's acceptable in an informal discussion such as this one. i am concerned about agreement between 'ourselves' and 'light' in the second sentence. i defend my usage with the assertion that, despite the individuality of 'our best efforts' and 'ourselves', the light in which we are all presented is truly collective.
am i revealing too much about myself?
posted by mlang at 7:55 AM on June 1, 2002
still awkward.
better: strike the ellipsis, changed 'we' to 'is', and make 'reveal' past tense.
but that's not good enough.
best: golly, metafilter sure is a fascinating place! in spite of our best efforts to present ourselves in the most flattering light possible, we always manage to reveal far more of our personalities than we ever intend — and with a counter-intuitive focus on our foibles, no less!
that effort includes an obvious overuse of exclamation points... but i think that's acceptable in an informal discussion such as this one. i am concerned about agreement between 'ourselves' and 'light' in the second sentence. i defend my usage with the assertion that, despite the individuality of 'our best efforts' and 'ourselves', the light in which we are all presented is truly collective.
am i revealing too much about myself?
posted by mlang at 7:55 AM on June 1, 2002
Pardon me: Yes. You expose a unlimited capacity for pettiness. But thanks for the tip. Your examples, however, suck.
posted by y2karl at 12:19 PM on June 1, 2002
posted by y2karl at 12:19 PM on June 1, 2002
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