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I love the café
finalmenté!
¡Viva Fidel!
Will international characters work now?
finalmenté!
¡Viva Fidel!
Will international characters work now?
Zippity-Bop!®
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:29 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:29 PM on July 24, 2002
Kewl. Feeling your oats today, Matt?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:29 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:29 PM on July 24, 2002
Fui à mercearia mas não têm açúcar.*
That's "I went to the grocer's but they haven't any sugar" and it contains every single accent used in Portuguese:
ê
ã
ç
à
á
This is the euro sign: €
This is the pound sign: £
And this is an umlaut: ü
Although, to be honest, I don't really care about the umlaut.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:02 PM on July 24, 2002
That's "I went to the grocer's but they haven't any sugar" and it contains every single accent used in Portuguese:
ê
ã
ç
à
á
This is the euro sign: €
This is the pound sign: £
And this is an umlaut: ü
Although, to be honest, I don't really care about the umlaut.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:02 PM on July 24, 2002
€€€€€€€
Euros are now worth more than dollars!
Nya nya nya nya nya na!
€€€€€€
€>$
I just knew you'd messup the Euro sign, Matt! You really do hate us Europeans, dontcha? :)
[IE 6, W 2K Pro]
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:05 PM on July 24, 2002
Euros are now worth more than dollars!
Nya nya nya nya nya na!
€€€€€€
€>$
I just knew you'd messup the Euro sign, Matt! You really do hate us Europeans, dontcha? :)
[IE 6, W 2K Pro]
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:05 PM on July 24, 2002
¿Que?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:08 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:08 PM on July 24, 2002
Welche Käsesorten haben Sie? Der Schafskäse? Igitt! Können Sie das Gebiß reparieren? Nein?...
Möchte Sie heute abend mit mir ausgehen, toller Kerl? Ja wohl? Ja wohl!
Ich liebe dich, mein Haughey!
posted by evanizer at 7:19 PM on July 24, 2002
Möchte Sie heute abend mit mir ausgehen, toller Kerl? Ja wohl? Ja wohl!
Ich liebe dich, mein Haughey!
posted by evanizer at 7:19 PM on July 24, 2002
I don't think it's working - that comment by evaniser doesn't make any sense at all ;-)
posted by dg at 7:22 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by dg at 7:22 PM on July 24, 2002
*swoon*
How did you do that, riffola? When I press the Euro sign on my keyboard - €€€€€€€ - all I get is what you see. Oh look it's working now!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:27 PM on July 24, 2002
How did you do that, riffola? When I press the Euro sign on my keyboard - €€€€€€€ - all I get is what you see. Oh look it's working now!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:27 PM on July 24, 2002
No it isn't - only on preview. Not that there's much occasion for the bloody thing round here.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:27 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:27 PM on July 24, 2002
Mais, quand d'un passé ancien rien ne subsiste, après la mort des êtres, après la destruction des choses, seules, plus frêles mais plus vivaces, plus immatérielles, plus persistantes, plus fidèles, l'odeur et la saveur restent encore longtemps, comme des âmes, à se rappeler, à attendre, à espérer, sur la ruine de tout le reste, à porter sans fléchir, sur leur gouttelette presque impalpable, l'édifice immense du souvenir.
posted by evanizer at 7:40 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by evanizer at 7:40 PM on July 24, 2002
Miguel- I think riffola used the name code for the Euro ISO entity, which is:
& euro ;
remove the spaces, and you get:
€
You can also use name codes to get other crappy ISO character entities, like:
♠
but, since those can only be used for evil, we'll forget I said that, won't we?
posted by evanizer at 7:45 PM on July 24, 2002
& euro ;
remove the spaces, and you get:
€
You can also use name codes to get other crappy ISO character entities, like:
♠
but, since those can only be used for evil, we'll forget I said that, won't we?
posted by evanizer at 7:45 PM on July 24, 2002
the euro isn't going to be around long, no reason to worry about it
;) <---
posted by Mick at 7:48 PM on July 24, 2002
;) <---
posted by Mick at 7:48 PM on July 24, 2002
Matt, I dunno why on Earth you put so much time and energy into improving our little disfunctional family, but, man, we sure do appreciate it.
posted by Shadowkeeper at 7:50 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by Shadowkeeper at 7:50 PM on July 24, 2002
€. Thanks, Evan - though it's far too much work. Now about those evil signs...
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:52 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:52 PM on July 24, 2002
No, still doesn't work. I give up. I never use it anyway. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:53 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:53 PM on July 24, 2002
After Fred opened the East hand with a strong no-trump, South drove his side to 3?, having shown a good hand with a long suit. Fred’s partner George Mittelman (Fred and George probably have the most euphonious surnames in Bridge!) led the 2♦ as they play third and fifth leads, this card promised an odd number of diamonds, so Fred put in the Q♦ as a sort of discovery play, since declarer was known to have two or more diamonds. South took his K&dias; and played the K?. Mittelman took the ?A and sensibly shifted to the ?2.
posted by eyeballkid at 7:55 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by eyeballkid at 7:55 PM on July 24, 2002
that looked so much better in preview.
posted by eyeballkid at 7:56 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by eyeballkid at 7:56 PM on July 24, 2002
Yeah, it seems that, on preview, certain character entities are displayed, but then turned to ? upon post.
Like if I type
?
it displays as a heart on the previewed comment, but in the actual comment box, the ampersand-hearts-semicolon is converted into a question mark. If I then erase the ? and retype ampersand-hearts-semicolon in the preview comment box, then hit post, all is well:
♥
So the conversion that happens in preview wipes the ISO entity out upon post. Hmm...
posted by evanizer at 8:02 PM on July 24, 2002
Like if I type
?
it displays as a heart on the previewed comment, but in the actual comment box, the ampersand-hearts-semicolon is converted into a question mark. If I then erase the ? and retype ampersand-hearts-semicolon in the preview comment box, then hit post, all is well:
♥
So the conversion that happens in preview wipes the ISO entity out upon post. Hmm...
posted by evanizer at 8:02 PM on July 24, 2002
Oops that was € which turns into € which turns into €
posted by riffola at 8:24 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by riffola at 8:24 PM on July 24, 2002
? € ?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:40 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:40 PM on July 24, 2002
Hmmm. Disappointing for bridge fans. Better to post a screenshot of the preview? ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:41 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:41 PM on July 24, 2002
Stop showing off Evanizer!
That actually came out as €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ in preview but I hacked each little square individually to get this important message across.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:02 PM on July 24, 2002
That actually came out as €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ in preview but I hacked each little square individually to get this important message across.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:02 PM on July 24, 2002
€ <= £
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:10 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:10 PM on July 24, 2002
Korean :
??? ??? ?? ?????? ??, ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? 2007??? ????? 1?8???? ???? ??.???? 25? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????...
(and no, I don't know what that says.)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:24 PM on July 24, 2002
??? ??? ?? ?????? ??, ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? 2007??? ????? 1?8???? ???? ??.???? 25? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????...
(and no, I don't know what that says.)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:24 PM on July 24, 2002
Worked in preview, though. Ah well.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:26 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:26 PM on July 24, 2002
Yeah, it seems that, on preview, certain character entities are displayed, but then turned to ? upon post.
riffola (paraphrased): Miguel, use &euro; which turns into € on preview
Riffola's right to some extent -- that workaround works for certain browsers, but only the first time you preview it. The next time you preview it, it displays the character again. Then the next time it would show the question mark (not knowing what to do with the actual character).
We had the same problem when developing a web-based content management system for our website at work.
We came to a similar conclusion as riffola: our CMS replaces € with &euro; in the preview screen every time it re-displays the textarea. The main problem with that brilliant workaround (if you were to try to use it for mefi) is the differing behavior among browsers (and even the "same" browser on different platforms). [but what else is new?]
As demonstrated, frustratingly, IE 5.5 and 6 and their ilk on Windows render the character entity in the textarea when the content is refreshed (as on preview). When you submit the already interpreted character entity (e.g. €) to the database, it tries to interpret that character and fails, spitting out a question mark.
In contrast, IE 5 and others on the Mac show the character entity code again (i.e. €) on preview. It shows exactly what you submitted the first time.
If you were to simply implement the workaround without detecting the browser, you'd have what happened to me once when I telecommuted using my Mac: "&" becomes "&amp;" on preview, which becomes "&amp;amp;" on another preview, etc.
So if you really wanted to prevent the problem, but not break the comments for Mac users, you'd have to implement a browser detect script. This would assume you'd have tested all the browsers MeFi users usually use (or you could just use a platform detect script and get it generally right). I think NS 6 and Mozilla on Windows act like IE 5 on the Mac, though I'm not sure.
We didn't actually test all the browsers because we're lazy and it's an internal application. We can just say "use IE 5 or 6 on Windows" (not that I'm in favor of that approach, but there's lots else to do and I'm leaving that job anyway).
So, Matt, if you want to implement this, go for it.... :)
[Could this be the world's longest and most pedantic MeTa post?]
posted by gohlkus at 9:44 PM on July 24, 2002
riffola (paraphrased): Miguel, use &euro; which turns into € on preview
Riffola's right to some extent -- that workaround works for certain browsers, but only the first time you preview it. The next time you preview it, it displays the character again. Then the next time it would show the question mark (not knowing what to do with the actual character).
We had the same problem when developing a web-based content management system for our website at work.
We came to a similar conclusion as riffola: our CMS replaces € with &euro; in the preview screen every time it re-displays the textarea. The main problem with that brilliant workaround (if you were to try to use it for mefi) is the differing behavior among browsers (and even the "same" browser on different platforms). [but what else is new?]
As demonstrated, frustratingly, IE 5.5 and 6 and their ilk on Windows render the character entity in the textarea when the content is refreshed (as on preview). When you submit the already interpreted character entity (e.g. €) to the database, it tries to interpret that character and fails, spitting out a question mark.
In contrast, IE 5 and others on the Mac show the character entity code again (i.e. €) on preview. It shows exactly what you submitted the first time.
If you were to simply implement the workaround without detecting the browser, you'd have what happened to me once when I telecommuted using my Mac: "&" becomes "&amp;" on preview, which becomes "&amp;amp;" on another preview, etc.
So if you really wanted to prevent the problem, but not break the comments for Mac users, you'd have to implement a browser detect script. This would assume you'd have tested all the browsers MeFi users usually use (or you could just use a platform detect script and get it generally right). I think NS 6 and Mozilla on Windows act like IE 5 on the Mac, though I'm not sure.
We didn't actually test all the browsers because we're lazy and it's an internal application. We can just say "use IE 5 or 6 on Windows" (not that I'm in favor of that approach, but there's lots else to do and I'm leaving that job anyway).
So, Matt, if you want to implement this, go for it.... :)
[Could this be the world's longest and most pedantic MeTa post?]
posted by gohlkus at 9:44 PM on July 24, 2002
Uh, that was supposed to be kanji and kana, and it was perfect in the preview. Unicode.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 10:10 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by Slithy_Tove at 10:10 PM on July 24, 2002
Yes, I think we've all established that it works perfect in preview, but not in publish. If you re-type it back into the preview post from scratch, it publishes okay, but not if you just leave the preview alone.
posted by Neale at 10:23 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by Neale at 10:23 PM on July 24, 2002
OK, Miguel, just for you I have created a page called: Teaching Miguel Cardoso How To Create the Mighty €. Hope you find it informative.
posted by evanizer at 10:26 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by evanizer at 10:26 PM on July 24, 2002
What did we establish again?
Oh, right.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:34 PM on July 24, 2002
Oh, right.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:34 PM on July 24, 2002
Odd. My sarcasm worked fine in preview.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:35 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:35 PM on July 24, 2002
evanizer, i love you.
posted by pikachulolita at 10:56 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by pikachulolita at 10:56 PM on July 24, 2002
if things are working in preview, that's interesting. I'm setting all the data as utf-8 as it goes into the database, but I'll check and see how I can allow full unicode.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:03 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:03 PM on July 24, 2002
stavrosthewonderchicken, your sarcasm worked fine in my browser as well (IE6, WinXP) ;-)
posted by dg at 11:14 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by dg at 11:14 PM on July 24, 2002
Tëstïng…
?????
???
?????
? ? ??? ???
????-????? ? ?????? ?????????? WWW-????????.
??????:
???????3% NGO???1????
???????????????????????NGO(?????)???????????(??=?????????·JIFF)????????????????????1????????????
??µpt? 25 ??????? 2002 - 05:46 ('O?a ???d????)
?p?s??p?s? t?? e???pa???? ??p??
posted by southisup at 11:36 PM on July 24, 2002
?????
???
?????
? ? ??? ???
????-????? ? ?????? ?????????? WWW-????????.
??????:
???????3% NGO???1????
???????????????????????NGO(?????)???????????(??=?????????·JIFF)????????????????????1????????????
??µpt? 25 ??????? 2002 - 05:46 ('O?a ???d????)
?p?s??p?s? t?? e???pa???? ??p??
posted by southisup at 11:36 PM on July 24, 2002
hmmmm
so all of that worked in preview, and stayed the same in the preview box, but the actual post failed…
posted by southisup at 11:39 PM on July 24, 2002
so all of that worked in preview, and stayed the same in the preview box, but the actual post failed…
posted by southisup at 11:39 PM on July 24, 2002
"evanizer, i love you."
Ah, screw this hetero stuff. I think I do, too. That was brilliant.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:50 PM on July 24, 2002
Ah, screw this hetero stuff. I think I do, too. That was brilliant.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:50 PM on July 24, 2002
€
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:51 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:51 PM on July 24, 2002
And it works, too!
Evan Izer is my hero. Let his name ring out throughout the land!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:52 PM on July 24, 2002
Evan Izer is my hero. Let his name ring out throughout the land!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:52 PM on July 24, 2002
&euro
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:55 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:55 PM on July 24, 2002
€
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:58 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:58 PM on July 24, 2002
Have another drink, Miguel. Heh.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:59 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:59 PM on July 24, 2002
I love, love, love you, €vaniz€r!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:59 PM on July 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:59 PM on July 24, 2002
??
That should be in Japanese - I think it says "Google", or the equivalent.
posted by dg at 12:05 AM on July 25, 2002
That should be in Japanese - I think it says "Google", or the equivalent.
posted by dg at 12:05 AM on July 25, 2002
<Charlton Heston>
You did it, you finally did it! Damn you all to hell!
</Charlton Heston>
*blush* Aww, shucks, I love each and every one of you too. Some of you in that special way...
Now, go forth and use this powerful knowledge to serve the forces of good.
posted by evanizer at 12:06 AM on July 25, 2002
You did it, you finally did it! Damn you all to hell!
</Charlton Heston>
*blush* Aww, shucks, I love each and every one of you too. Some of you in that special way...
Now, go forth and use this powerful knowledge to serve the forces of good.
posted by evanizer at 12:06 AM on July 25, 2002
??
That should be in Japanese - I think it says "Google", or the equivalent
Oh yeah? Prove it, dg! Who's to know you didn't just type in two question marks, like this:
??
And then claimed they spelled "MetaFilter" in Sanskrit? ;)
Oh and another thing: €
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:11 AM on July 25, 2002
That should be in Japanese - I think it says "Google", or the equivalent
Oh yeah? Prove it, dg! Who's to know you didn't just type in two question marks, like this:
??
And then claimed they spelled "MetaFilter" in Sanskrit? ;)
Oh and another thing: €
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:11 AM on July 25, 2002
nd don't forget that the Miguel Cardoso Method for Creating the Mighty € can be used to create all the other ISO entities as well:
I ♥ my Brussels Griffon
I ♣ my baby harp seal
A complete list of these entities can be found here. But, don't forget, they're evil, so I'd advise against going there...
posted by evanizer at 12:14 AM on July 25, 2002
I ♥ my Brussels Griffon
I ♣ my baby harp seal
A complete list of these entities can be found here. But, don't forget, they're evil, so I'd advise against going there...
posted by evanizer at 12:14 AM on July 25, 2002
nd don't forget that the Miguel Cardoso Method for Creating the Mighty ?
Uhh, It's not 100% fool-proof yet... Uh, but, uh, it usually works...
Administrator! Hope me!
*runs away, dropping dozens of € behind him*
posted by evanizer at 12:17 AM on July 25, 2002
Uhh, It's not 100% fool-proof yet... Uh, but, uh, it usually works...
Administrator! Hope me!
*runs away, dropping dozens of € behind him*
posted by evanizer at 12:17 AM on July 25, 2002
I ♠ Bob Barker.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:18 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:18 AM on July 25, 2002
I'm gonna ♥ you until you love me!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:35 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:35 AM on July 25, 2002
So can I bring back the Omar Sharif Bridge night?
posted by eyeballkid at 1:47 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by eyeballkid at 1:47 AM on July 25, 2002
And... nope.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 2:23 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by Slithy_Tove at 2:23 AM on July 25, 2002
?? ?????? ????????? ????
????? ??, ??? ??????? ????,
? ????? ??????. ???? ??? ??????
???? ???????; ?????? ????
?? ??? ????????? ???????.
?? ???????, ?????? ???????
??????? ???? ????? ? ???,
????? ??????? ???????;
? ???, ????????? ?????
? ?????? ??????????? ??????,
?????? ?????.
posted by Nothing at 2:27 AM on July 25, 2002
????? ??, ??? ??????? ????,
? ????? ??????. ???? ??? ??????
???? ???????; ?????? ????
?? ??? ????????? ???????.
?? ???????, ?????? ???????
??????? ???? ????? ? ???,
????? ??????? ???????;
? ???, ????????? ?????
? ?????? ??????????? ??????,
?????? ?????.
posted by Nothing at 2:27 AM on July 25, 2002
Hmmmm. How about:
Russian:
?? ?????? ????????? ????
Greek:
?? ???ssa µ?? ?d?sa? e???????
German:
Sîne klâwen durh die wolken sint geslagen
Middle English:
Uppen Sevarne staþe, sel þar him þuhte,
Euro:
€ €
It all works in preview.
And I so wanted to post in Greek.
posted by Nothing at 2:33 AM on July 25, 2002
Russian:
?? ?????? ????????? ????
Greek:
?? ???ssa µ?? ?d?sa? e???????
German:
Sîne klâwen durh die wolken sint geslagen
Middle English:
Uppen Sevarne staþe, sel þar him þuhte,
Euro:
€ €
It all works in preview.
And I so wanted to post in Greek.
posted by Nothing at 2:33 AM on July 25, 2002
Taken beyond a certain °, this may cease to be ´ expression and could cause ÷. We may end up @ &dagger's drawn, which is < ideal. maybe we need a ^ to promote better ¢'s that's what i have a ¥ for! perhaps this is not as ` as i thought...&lsaquo in fact, it's gonna be £ µ ñ¡ &rsaquobr>
posted by dash_slot- at 7:53 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by dash_slot- at 7:53 AM on July 25, 2002
Ooops! Self-fulfilling prophesy, anyone?
posted by dash_slot- at 7:54 AM on July 25, 2002
posted by dash_slot- at 7:54 AM on July 25, 2002
Actually, Miguel, MetaFilter in Sanskrit would look like this:
???
Have a look here for Google's Japanese site or here if your computer cannot display Japanese characters.
posted by dg at 9:02 PM on July 25, 2002
???
Have a look here for Google's Japanese site or here if your computer cannot display Japanese characters.
posted by dg at 9:02 PM on July 25, 2002
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I love the café
finalmenté!
¡Viva Fidel!
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:11 PM on July 24, 2002