How do we feel in 2024 about single-link FPP food/recipe posts? February 26, 2024 8:25 AM   Subscribe

What is your opinion about FPPs about recipes? Is a single-link FPP where the single link is a recipe too thin? (Discussion of the same question in February 2013.) Does the much-lamented rise of the "recipe" that's actually a 1,000-2,000 word essay wrapped around a recipe change the calculus for you?

Last week I ate a dish I'd never had before (mapo tofu). My interested & mixed reaction to it led me to poke around on the internet. Turns out, there's longstanding Mapo Tofu Discourse, tied to a range of not-unpredictable issues: translation of the name, "authenticity," Szechuan vs. Chinese-American, and appropriation by white people. Were I to make a post about it at this point, I would (a) include enough links that it likely wouldn't qualify as "thin," and (b) do some framing work to explain my interest and, hopefully, avoid the post descending into critiques of white fetishization of Asian things, as mapo tofu is apparently considered by some an almost paradigmatic example of this.

Thinking about it did, however, raise the question for me of whether SLRecipePosts are OK. I've wondered that before, as it doesn't seem like something we usually do. My question about long posts wrapped around essays is part of why I'm asking. I've occasionally seen an interesting recipe/essay post and thought to post it, but didn't do it. From my quick trawl through mapo tofu links, I might have posted either of these as single-link FPPs (including a heads-up about the Substack link):

Example 1: a Substack post about mapo tofu and memory

Example 2: a standard-looking-to-me recipe page that has various photos, directions, food lore, and a little FAQ

I don't know that either is exactly the thing I would have posted, but I am generally trying these days to post interesting things and not worry so much about finding "perfect" links to post. Sometimes it seems to me like the best discussion stems from decidedly imperfect links, or links with obvious coverage gaps that provide a nice space for conversation. That said, I don't want to post things that MeFites generally don't want as FPPs.

Thanks for your thoughts.
posted by cupcakeninja to Etiquette/Policy at 8:25 AM (61 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

I'm a big fan of the single-link post! I think either of your two examples would be interesting to me as a standalone link because they have more info than just 'here are the ingredients in mapo tofu'. There's plenty to discuss. I tend to think a more sparse recipe link like All Recipes probably wouldn't be enough for an FPP.

(Also, now I am craving some mapo tofu. Why did the really great Sichuan place down the street have to close?)
posted by capricorn at 8:38 AM on February 26 [5 favorites]


I commend to you the Wordshore Method - if you are concerned about a food-themed post being too thin, simply add more links until replete with goodness.
posted by zamboni at 9:49 AM on February 26 [11 favorites]


Recipes or whatever: IMO a single-link FPP is almost always too thin. At a minimum, some aspect of your post should be a Wikipedia link, for something not universally known.
posted by Rash at 10:18 AM on February 26


I have no issues with one-link posts, especially if they're to personal essays and are something the poster came across in the course of their non-Mefi life; I think those are some of the best posts. Even if it is unfamiliar, I may well come away with something new to research - I don't think there should be an expectation that every post include a link to the Wikipedia article for the topic, if only because it adds one more piece of mental friction to posting when we're trying to avoid that.
posted by sagc at 10:39 AM on February 26 [4 favorites]


I would find a one-link recipe post to be slightly odd unless the framing of the post made it clear why that particular recipe for that particular food was interesting. In an example like you've given of Mapo Tofu, I would wonder why you chose a given recipe instead of any of the other zillions of them out there, especially given the volume of discussion about it that exists on the internet.

That said, I am a fan of recipes and recipe discussion and I think if someone started doing posts in that vein, I would grow to like them. In my Chowhound days, we used to have a Dish of the Month where they would decide on a dish and people would go out and eat that dish or make that dish and report back on what they thought about, which versions they liked, etc. If there was a way to frame posts on MeFi so they could turn it into that kind of discussion, I would be 100% down.
posted by jacquilynne at 10:44 AM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Just post the damn recipe.
posted by sammyo at 11:08 AM on February 26 [15 favorites]


A single link post is much better than a post that was inspired by a single thing but then was stuffed with barely relevant stuff to make it look better for the peanut gallery that will inevitably complain anyway.
posted by simmering octagon at 11:08 AM on February 26 [28 favorites]


A single-link post is often better than no post at all.

If, upon viewing a post, a reader thinks that a single link will not meet their preferred quality standards, they can ignore the post and move on to the next.
posted by niicholas at 11:10 AM on February 26 [8 favorites]


PRO single-link post (example of one that resulted in great discussion), but ditto capricorn's comment above.
posted by rubatan at 11:28 AM on February 26


I prefer single link posts, usually.
MeFi to me is "hey, look at this cool thing", not "this is something I've been thinking about, here are twenty-five links with some vague relation".
posted by signal at 11:28 AM on February 26 [16 favorites]


I am in favor of just about anything a member of the community wants to post, and I am especially in favor of doing what you have the energy and time to do.

Also, this:

I am generally trying these days to post interesting things and not worry so much about finding "perfect" links to post

... I heartily support that.

Bring on the single-link recipe posts!
posted by kristi at 11:32 AM on February 26 [17 favorites]


There are so many SLYT posts these days, which I tend to really dislike--"hey go watch an hour of YouTube" is not my understanding of why we're here, but maybe that's just me--so it seems like an SL to recipe should be fine. At least it is a link to something that people love to discuss, which is to say, food.

BUT. Looking forward to your longer post as well! And would probably take that with a slight preference over the SL version, personally.
posted by kensington314 at 12:03 PM on February 26 [14 favorites]


Also, just overall whatever lowers the barrier to posting in an era of fewer engaged users and generally too-hot temperatures around here is probably good!
posted by kensington314 at 12:04 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


I approve this because I can't wait to start fucking up the comments.

★☆☆☆☆
My kids won't eat tofu so I subbed the tofu for their favorite chicken nuggets. We don't like spicy food so I used ketchup for the sauce. Served over angel hair pasta as that's what I had on hand. This recipe was terrible, please consider changing the spices!!!
posted by phunniemee at 12:11 PM on February 26 [24 favorites]


admittedly, a mystery meat one-link post which is also a recipe would be pretty meta
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 1:19 PM on February 26


grillt cheese
posted by clavdivs at 1:40 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I like single-link posts and I like recipe posts, so I'm guessing I'm gonna like a single-link recipe post. Post on!
posted by HotToddy at 1:42 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


+1 for single-link posts. The comments are much better when people have actually read (OK, glanced at briefly) the same thing.
posted by Klipspringer at 1:56 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Single link posts are great! I also like it when there's some additional context in the first comment from the poster. Like, if you posted the link to the recipe, and then immediately posted that below-the-fold paragraph that accompanied this post, that's almost perfect metafilter for me.
posted by curious nu at 2:25 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Sure, post whatever tbh. It helps keep this place from feeling like a ghost town.

There's hardly much competition for attention on FPPs, so by all means post a sentence about a recipe you think looks delicious, a video the YT algo was right about you fancying, or a social media post that made you laugh.

Don't be intimidated that it literally needs to be the "best of the web" or require some immense effort to share. I'll at least take a look at that shit, and I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that way.
posted by otsebyatina at 2:48 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Tired: single link youtube post
Wired: single link obscure single-interest Old Web post
Inspired: single link mystery meat post
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 3:01 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Ya know what would be a ghuge gr-eat addition to this place, MetaFood. Mefoo(d) would have text only, succinct, indexted, and then commented on recipes. From personal index card files, added by metacooks, metachefs, all metafolk that survived their cooking efforts. Or MetaRecipe. Mebe MetaChowDown?

Long running threads added to by mCooks that try out suggested recipes and add suggestions and chopping tips.

Has this been discussed before?
posted by sammyo at 3:17 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


I think any single-link post needs to be about something we can actually discuss.

Simply posting a recipe just because - in cupcakeninja's example - you had never tried it before doesn't seem very discussion-inducing, unless there's a story or history or something (again, such as the aforementioned authenticity/appropriation/etc. issues) associated with it to give it some context.

On the other hand, I see no problem with posting a recipe in a Free Thread comment (disclosure: I've done that).

A MetaFood subsite like sammyo proposes might be fun, but there are an awful lot of more pressing issues that need to be dealt with before dedicating time and effort to set it up...
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:38 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Any sort of recipe or food subsite would obviously be called EatMe.
posted by Diskeater at 3:58 PM on February 26 [14 favorites]


I credit Mefites with a skill for coming up with interesting things to say regardless of how the post itself or the article sets up the discussion. Never can be sure where the comments will lead, so I suspect a simple prompt of a recipe link would indeed be enough context more often than not.

I can't speak to the free thread's suitability as I never read those. "No, that's too freewheeling." :)
posted by otsebyatina at 4:00 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Single-link food-related posts are great!

(As long as they're not to a one-hour YouTube video - I'm very tired of seeing those posted every single day.)

But bring on the food posts, especially fun regional/local dishes!
posted by Umami Dearest at 5:08 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Ten years ago on February 26, there were 36 FPPs. Five years ago, 21. Today there are 12.

Post what you want--it really doesn't matter anymore.
posted by betweenthebars at 6:10 PM on February 26 [19 favorites]


So FanFare for food? FoodFare?
posted by Ideefixe at 6:19 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


betweenthebars makes a fair point.
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:21 PM on February 26


Diskeater: "Any sort of recipe or food subsite would obviously be called EatMe."

A subsubsite for carnivores would obviously be MeatMe.
posted by signal at 6:40 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


MeataFilter
posted by capricorn at 6:55 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Yeah, make a post any way that you want to make it. If you have the time and/or inclination you can point out what was interesting to you in the "more inside" first post.

Either way, I think that we should all choose to post what we want to post and if there's something wrong with it then it'll get flagged, maybe deleted and life goes on because it's just a post, not the holy grail and then we get a chance to redo the post in a different way.

cupcakeninja, I want to see your single link post about mapo tofu, and for maybe the first time ever (not including Serious Eats recipes), I'll be happy to read the 2000 words that are usually blocking me from getting to the recipe and that also sometimes break my ipad browser because the page is 10 gb's in size.
posted by ashbury at 8:57 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Make the post you want to see.

I post all kinds of things all the time, and I don't understand the attitude against single link posts because I make those all the time. And they might be better than multi-link posts, because then at least everyone knows what they're discussing when they talk about "that link in the post".

A separate discussion would be about whether recipes are a "worthy" subject for a post. And if that's a worry, then let's get RecipeFilter up and running alongside Fanfare and whatever. People want to talk about recipes and food. Why not have a forum here for that?
posted by hippybear at 9:20 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I'd rather have a series of posts (food week?) where people shared their regional delicacies. A single recipe post doesn't interest me unless there's more context.

Also, a single link recipe post these days goes to a site that won't last...covered in ads and videos and spam. Not great for preservation reasons.
posted by tiny frying pan at 4:37 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


(But I agree we need more posts)
posted by tiny frying pan at 4:44 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Be the post you want to see in the world.
posted by signal at 5:28 AM on February 27 [3 favorites]


I fucking LOVE mapo tofu. Post the recipe. I am partial to this one.



You'll never please everyone here. After all these years one would hope that people had given up on "good enough for the front page" as a concept, but this is a community filled with people who love to lord their intellectual and moral superioirty over everyone, so EVERY post is "not good enough for the front page" in someone's eyes. But nobody is compelled to read anything they don't like, and FIAMO is still a thing for people whose tender sensibilities are bruised by such pedestrian fare.. So if you want to make a single-link post to a recipe, go right ahead.
posted by briank at 6:41 AM on February 27 [9 favorites]


I've made single-link FPP thinner than this before. Not everything has to be a link salad and anyone who thinks something was left out can chime in with additional links in comments.
posted by AndrewStephens at 7:22 AM on February 27 [3 favorites]


Think of any single link post as a polished jewel that can stand on its own, or a kind of stone soup where we can all bring something to help make it awesome. For example, I'm ready to add "The point here is not to rag on the CIA ..." as a comment to any mapo dofu single-link post you make. (That's from Chinese Cooking Demystified on YT: a more straightforward recipe video from them is here.)
posted by maudlin at 9:06 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Post the recipe.
We hunger.
posted by corb at 10:25 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Well, I just ate, but y'all go on ahead.
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:52 AM on February 27


> I'd rather have a series of posts (food week?) where people shared their regional delicacies. A single recipe post doesn't interest me unless there's more context.

This is not an either/or situation. If you want to see that on the front page then post that to the front page (or AskMe).

> Also, a single link recipe post these days goes to a site that won't last...covered in ads and videos and spam. Not great for preservation reasons.

Preservation is a lost cause - I'll bet 90% of the links posted to Metafilter on any given day 20 years ago are dead. If the link is interesting today then we will enjoy it today.
posted by AndrewStephens at 10:52 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Nope, it's not. But I was sharing my point of view on it, like everyone else. My cue to leave this thread!
posted by tiny frying pan at 10:58 AM on February 27


(WAY less than 90% of old links are dead...and even if so, the discussion is what really counts. I don't see much discussion happening on a single recipe post most people will not have made. But who cares, I didn't say NOT to post a single link recipe post.)
posted by tiny frying pan at 10:59 AM on February 27


For me, recipes are pieces of writing and you could theoretically respond to them like any other published written work. I could see a post about this recipe turning into a discussion/debate about the dish and its context.

I landed at that site because this post prompted me to look through a couple of Anthony Bourdain's cookbooks for essay-like recipes, and I found some that I might be tempted to make posts about, but a quick search didn't find any for free online. The link is to the recipe section of the Parts Unknown website.

Some foods invite more debate or searching discussion than others, mapo tofu being an example, and there is a debate currently about butter chicken, although that is mostly about who owns it. I guess if someone posted a single recipe link, I'd be interested to know what it was about it that would make for an interesting discussion. But I mostly trust people here not to just post random stuff.
posted by BibiRose at 11:21 AM on February 27


I think single link posts, whatever the subject is, are fine and would encourage people to post anything they find fun, informative, weird, or what have you.

I'd also encourage folks to consider that it's not an either/or thing with single link posts vs a huge post of links. Two or three link posts are ok too! Whatever interests you or floats your boat that you want to share, go for it!

Finally, as a mod, I'd encourage folks to flag the hell out of comments that start off thread by questioning why a post was made or how distasteful they find the subject. Let people enjoy the things they want. If you don't care for it, just move and/or make a post about a subject you do like!
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 11:29 AM on February 27 [8 favorites]


As somebody who can't resist dressing even the simplest SLYT up with a few supplementary background links, I appreciate your regular long video posts, hippybear. They're easy to throw into a playlist to browse later while eating in front of the TV, or even to let play in the background or in another tab while doing other work (it's how I finished the last Folding Ideas essay). And ofc your personal spin on what's worth sharing is often more interesting than whatever the YouTube algorithm turns up.

Hour-plus, single-topic videos might not be everybody's cup of tea, but you're not obligated to engage with every post, and simply skipping over one you dislike or find annoying is infinitely better than gratuitously shitting on the people who do enjoy it (and the person who cared enough to share it).
posted by Rhaomi at 11:45 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Since making the above comment, I went and made a front page based on my interests. I just looked through my Google News feed, noticed a couple of interesting angles, cobbled together a sentence and clicked POST.

Making that post also reminded me that I personally like to make posts that are just a sentence or three. I've done huge multi link posts in the past and may do so again, but for now I'm just like "oh this is neat, look at this," so a few sentences works for that in my book (or ereader)!
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 11:49 AM on February 27 [7 favorites]


I just looked through my Google News feed, noticed a couple of interesting angles, cobbled together a sentence and clicked POST.

Thanks, I hate it.

(Kidding!! Neat post! Though I take a hard stance against eating smoked salmon and maple cookies at the same time...)
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:04 PM on February 27


Thank you, folks, really appreciate the observations. A lot of what y'all had to say really resonated for me. On balance, it sounds like SLRecipePosts aren't going to be the end of the world.

Oh, for the people who wondered about whether a RecipeFilter had been proposed previously: here is a 2008 MeTa, and the idea has come up over the years since. Looks like there was an "EatMe" on a wiki at some point?
posted by cupcakeninja at 4:14 PM on February 27


How about a subsite called "NotToBeConfusedWithCanIEatThisFilter"?
posted by Greg_Ace at 4:49 PM on February 27




Just wipe it of with a damp cloth, it'll be fine.
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:28 PM on February 27 [4 favorites]


or off, even...
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:38 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Ya know what would be a ghuge gr-eat addition to this place, MetaFood. ... Or MetaRecipe. Mebe MetaChowDown?
Has this been discussed before?

We've chewed the idea over a few times, yes.
posted by dg at 7:26 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]


But it apparently hasn't reached al dente status yet.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:21 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]


cupcakeninja: Looks like there was an "EatMe" on a wiki at some point?

It's still on the MeFi wiki. The wiki moved to mefiwiki.com in 2013, so that old page can now be found at EatMe.
posted by RichardP at 3:37 AM on February 28 [3 favorites]


Cupcakeninja - You started a whole theme of food posts!! Unexpected and excellent outcome :)
posted by Vatnesine at 3:43 PM on February 29 [5 favorites]


Truly! Had not anticipated this at all, so glad to see it. :-D
posted by cupcakeninja at 4:40 PM on February 29 [1 favorite]


Cupcakeninja - You started a whole theme of food posts!! Unexpected and excellent outcome :)

Yes! Thank you cupcakeninja! And, seeing so many high quality food posts so quickly, I sincerely hope we can get a food subsite.
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 7:32 AM on March 1 [1 favorite]


well I am definitely enjoying the food posts that have been spawned by this discussion.

I have been on MF for a while now, with a woefully thin FPP history. this is in part because of my own internalized voice that makes me feel that I must craft the perfect, multi-link, esoteric deep-dive FPP of all time. I have managed to shut that voice up occasionally but I think I'm in the camp that more FPPs are better. if you are not interested, just move along (or post your own thing).
posted by supermedusa at 11:11 AM on March 2 [2 favorites]


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