Is this brilliant post appropriate for Metafilter? October 17, 2002 10:56 PM   Subscribe

Brilliant post that is thoughtful and worthy of discussion, but is it appropriate for Metafilter? The link rules in Metafilter, and the links are just regurgitations. It reeks of discussion board. Granted, others have gotten away with unworthy links just to talk about their soapbox issue in the past. Should this be an exception?

posted by Stan Chin to Etiquette/Policy at 10:56 PM (21 comments total)

I'd almost say leave it be, but given that it'll set a bad precedent, I'm going judge that its inappropriate. Guidelines state links we haven't seen before, and we have seen these before which is of course the entire point of the post. It's nice though, but I say delete.
posted by Stan Chin at 11:01 PM on October 17, 2002

Oh, and I'm resisting the urge to run in there like a crazy twoheaded chicken man at a bingo parlor and yell "double post! double post! double post! squaak B-7 G-25!"
posted by Stan Chin at 11:24 PM on October 17, 2002

i think stan chin likes to hear the sound of his own voice too much.
posted by jcterminal at 11:32 PM on October 17, 2002

yeah, it's a little unlike a regular post, and I don't know why it was posted today instead of sept. 10th, but I figured I'd let it stay to see where it went. It's very discussiony but doing borderline ok.

What's weird is I had the same discussion with friends a couple months ago, and it turned out at some point during the summer, each of us had surfed each others' sites looking at sept 10th, 2001 posts. We all concluded that for some reason on that day we all posted the most inane bullshit. I think I was babbling about getting my first gray hair, or something equally pointless.

Is there any way to see the NYTimes front page on December 6, 1941?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 12:44 AM on October 18, 2002

i think stan chin likes to hear the sound of his own voice too much.

Is that possible? Stan Chin is the masked hero of the MeFi meanderings. He's the king of the conversational. Some call him the Dalai Lama of discussion. Yet others refer to him, with reverence in their voices, as the sultan of situational.. I got nothing.

They're double links and the post is sort of gimmicky. I think it would make a better update in the sidebar than a thread, but that's just me.
posted by The God Complex at 12:44 AM on October 18, 2002

The link rules in Metafilter

If the 'link rules', then why does it set a bad precedent? What 'bad precedent' and why is it 'unworthy'? What is the 'soapbox issue' in this particular 'brilliant post'? Please, if you are going to complain about something, give us the courtesy of providing us some information to back your complaints. (Hell, we may even agree with you.)
posted by mischief at 12:46 AM on October 18, 2002

Bad precendent because they were all linked before and putting a whole bunch of double posts together doesn't make them less double-posty (double posty?!).

That's his point.
posted by The God Complex at 12:51 AM on October 18, 2002

Downside: We could have found all of those posts and more by ourselves by clicking on the "MeFi: 1 year ago" link on the sidebar on Sept 10. It's not something "found on the web", it's just a bunch of links, with the typical discussion/comment-garnering question asked inside instead of at the end of the front page post. Off with his head.

Upside: It led to all of those cute bunny with pancake on his head and on his tummy pictures. I'm a sucker (albeit a conflicted one) for that stuff. Intellectually I'm rolling my eyes, but at the same time I'm thinking, God that bunny is so freaking cute! More bunny pictures!

And the emoticon comment led me to this pearl of wisdom, a favorite of mine.
posted by iconomy at 4:10 AM on October 18, 2002

I'm a sucker (albeit a conflicted one) for that stuff. Intellectually I'm rolling my eyes, but at the same time I'm thinking, God that bunny is so freaking cute!

I, for one, call for an end to all intellectual eye-rolling over Oolong. Oolong can and should be appreciated sans irony as a touching example of the symbiotic relationship between man, animal, and batter. His owner deserves our simple and honest appreciation for making this world a happier place, not our mockery. Embrace the bunny! Find your inner pancake! C'mon! Who's with me!
Okay, but he is freaking cute.
posted by rory at 5:41 AM on October 18, 2002

If the 'link rules', then why does it set a bad precedent?

Because more people will start posts with weak links when they see the popularity of the thread.

What 'bad precedent' and why is it 'unworthy'?

Didn't you just ask that? From the guidelines a good link is something "most people haven't seen it before."

What is the 'soapbox issue' in this particular 'brilliant post'?

To talk about September 10th, 2001 on October 18th, 2002 for no apparent reason other than "it'd be a great thing to talk about."

These all seem like pretty obvious answers to questions that I thought I clarified in my post, or are you just being an ass?
posted by Stan Chin at 7:00 AM on October 18, 2002

it strikes me that the big undertaking here at mefi, the one nobody talks about but everybody talks about all the time, is to try to freeze something good in time, to find a recipe for the cessation of change, or take something changed back to it's 'pristine' state. what will win - skulls or brick wall?
posted by quonsar at 7:13 AM on October 18, 2002

One of the benefits of Metafilter's loose guidelines is that they leave room for truly great links that appear to break some of the rules. If you really think the post is "brilliant," Stan, it didn't deserve to be dragged into MetaTalk for a beating.
posted by rcade at 7:15 AM on October 18, 2002


Momo can kick Oolong's furry ass every day of the week

posted by matteo at 7:27 AM on October 18, 2002

Well, this was in a Nebraska newspaper on November 6, 1941, but I couldn't find any NYT for Dec 6...

Co. Mattress Program Starts

NOVEMBER 6, 1941 - The Saunders County mattress making program got under way this month. The mattress making center is located in the Fairmont Creamery Co., building south of the First National Bank in Wahoo.

Saunders County recently received 1300 pounds of baled cotton and 2400 yards of mattress ticking from the Surplus Commodity Corporation, to be made into cotton mattresses for low income rural families.

To receive one of the mattresses, the family must make an application with the County Agent. A charge is made at time of application of $1.50 per mattress.

The maximum number of mattresses allowed to a family is three. Upon approval of the application the family is notified when to come to the center and make their mattresses. Two adult members of the family, preferably man and wife, are asked to be present. A mattress can be completed by the family in one day. Several families will be asked in each day. They will work cooperatively on the mattresses under the direction of a supervisor and each family will take their mattress home with them.

Over 100 mattress applications have been received at the County Agent's office to date. There is enough cotton on hand to make 240 mattresses. Those interested in getting a mattress are urged to make their application soon. It is expected to complete the project early in December.

posted by Fabulon7 at 7:58 AM on October 18, 2002

20892 is an exceptionally chatty post, that should be on somebody's blog, but probably not on MetaFilter's frontpage. I've seen similar post to this one get deleted before, but because it has Oolong and refers to 9/11, I expect it'll get staid.
posted by piskycritter at 8:36 AM on October 18, 2002

Brilliant post that is thoughtful and worthy of discussion...

So why question it? I think you answered your own question in your own first paragraph. Do you really think it's going to end up deleted? If not, what's the point? Have we not had similar discussions on the link topic plenty of times?

Next topic...
posted by Shane at 11:35 AM on October 18, 2002

Gawd, I'm becoming the snark. Not cool...
posted by Shane at 12:31 PM on October 18, 2002

Not that I'd want to see it become more common, but I don't think this falls under the double post rule. oissubke grouped a bunch of posts unrelated in any way other than date to make a larger, fairly compelling point about a moment before life changed.

Secondly, I think you can divide these types of FPP into two broad categories: The discussion board post that quickly becomes polarized and mean spirited, and the discussion board post that posits an interesting thought, and by its very agnostic nature invites lots of response and reflection. It's still a discussion board post, but I'd like to think we have a bit of room for the later, if only in small doses.
posted by jalexei at 1:52 PM on October 18, 2002

i think stan chin likes to hear the sound of his own voice too much.

Personally, I love to hear the sound of my own voice. A lot of times, if I'm alone and not in a hurry, I'll read things out loud just to hear my own voice. I especially like to adopt a slight British accent when reading literature. Usually when I listen to my own voice, I try to sound sophisticated and very, very knowing, but sometimes I'll talk in a fierce, aggressive voice, as though whatever I was saying was very important in a way that no one else could ever understand. But no matter what accent, what cadence, what volume, what inflection, one thing remains constant: I love to hear the sound of my own voice.
posted by Hildago at 11:56 PM on October 18, 2002

I have no opinion on this issue, but I would like to add that I really hate the sound of my own voice when I hear it recorded; the recording just never gets it right.

and matteo is right about Momo.
posted by taz at 1:42 AM on October 19, 2002

I have a friend who works at a newspaper (and therefore has to record himself interviewing people a lot) who hates listening to the sound of his voice on tape. He says it sounds whiny; I remember trying convince him that he didn't sound that whiny in real life, but whatever.

I haven't been at mefi long, but I looked at the September 10th post, and thought, hey, what an interesting post.

Lastly: On December 6th, 1941, the rest of the world was already at war.
posted by SoftRain at 2:59 PM on October 20, 2002

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