What ever happened to quite rational discussion? February 6, 2003 4:15 PM   Subscribe

I'm slightly disturbed by the vitriol suddenly on display here. What ever happened to quite, rational discussion? [more]
posted by feelinglistless to Etiquette/Policy at 4:15 PM (103 comments total)

Perhaps it's a British thing. I don't think it's the bad language, or that what was a slightly amusing discussion about the identity of an actress suddenly became something of a flame war. Or have I in fact missed something again and it's all in good fun? Does this stuff go on a lot more than I've noticed?
posted by feelinglistless at 4:20 PM on February 6, 2003


hincandenza was being ironic, Midas missed the irony but got the chance to tout his resume, er, alleged resume.
posted by y2karl at 4:47 PM on February 6, 2003


Upon re-reading, I withdraw my iniital assessment of irony--now I am confused.
posted by y2karl at 4:57 PM on February 6, 2003


Which is why I'm posting here ...

It's at times like this I wish that this text on screen thing could be more expressive. There just isn't a substitute for tone of voice and body language. And no :) or ;) don't really do the trick ...
posted by feelinglistless at 4:59 PM on February 6, 2003


hinc was making a point of irony. Midas's only post 'til that point was "Damn beatnik808 ... that was funny ...", so hinc's rant was otherwise groundless, thus ironic. Man, you guys sure have thin skins around here.
posted by mischief at 5:07 PM on February 6, 2003


Back in the bbs days, my friends and I thought about using the ~ to indicate sarcasm. It's small, unobtrusive, and I'm still not sure if it has an official use outside of programming languages. Sadly, it never caught on.

So what we're left with is the smiley emoticon (which can easily be confused with "ha ha, I burned you good") or [/sarcasm] which is really just too much typing and too easily gives away the joke.
posted by Gary at 5:07 PM on February 6, 2003


Well I missed it and usually I'm pretty astute about these things. Maybe it's because I seem to remember Hinc attacking people like Midas in the past. The thing is you'd think a major Wall Street player wouldn't have time to respond to such attacks, but you'd be wrong.

Anyway if I missed it, then sorry. I think people are just a little tense right now because war is about to break out. Imagine how the people who are actually within the danger zone must be feeling.
posted by cell divide at 5:14 PM on February 6, 2003


It's quite possible to be ironic without using intolerably filthy and insulting language like:

"Janeane Garofalo is a stupid bitch cunt "

"shut yer fucking trap. "

"white trash mo'fo!"

"So what do you have to offer? Zip, zilch, zero, nada. Pipe down, li'l one."

Is MetaFilter the place for this?
posted by hama7 at 5:23 PM on February 6, 2003


It seems to be the place for tea drinking pinkie extended baiting and taunting and patronizing sneers, so why not?
posted by y2karl at 5:28 PM on February 6, 2003


It's possible to be ironic without using the word "the", as well.
posted by mischief at 5:30 PM on February 6, 2003


The thing is you'd think a major Wall Street player wouldn't have time to respond to such attacks, but you'd be wrong.

You are touching the tip of an iceberg of mystery there, my friend.
posted by y2karl at 5:36 PM on February 6, 2003


hama7 - I think that language made it pretty obvious that he was engaging the irony drive.

To address this thread's question, I think that a lot of people are very passionate about their opinions regarding the possibly-upcoming war. A lot of people are very on-edge about it, too. I like to take eruptions like this like I'd take a spirited argument about the same topic, among friends out at a bar or something. You yell, you call the other guy an idiot, and then calm down and order another round and talk about what to do over the weekend. No big deal.
posted by GriffX at 5:36 PM on February 6, 2003


extended baiting

That's priceless coming from the master baiter.
posted by hama7 at 5:37 PM on February 6, 2003


You yell, you call the other guy an idiot, and then calm down and order another round and talk about what to do over the weekend.

Just don't start turnin' the tables over, puttin' yer dukes up and shoutin' Take me on, mothafucka, c'mon!

Upon review: good one, hama7! But that's pinkie extended, Mr. PotKettle.
posted by y2karl at 5:42 PM on February 6, 2003


hincandenza has been consistently abusive and foul throughout his long stay here. But, judging by the current tenor of the site, he should have begun to feel quite at home. I'm going to go do some serious sighing now.
posted by sir walsingham at 5:42 PM on February 6, 2003


I think that a lot of people are very passionate about their opinions regarding the possibly-upcoming war. A lot of people are very on-edge about it, too.

Seriously, GriffX, I've decided to tone it down myself for the same reasons. These are scary times.
posted by y2karl at 5:57 PM on February 6, 2003


Touche', hincandenza. And dontcha worry, now. Some of these "senior Wall Street players" may not have much of a sense of irony or humor. But they have thick skin. They do.

~wink~

Wank on, wanker
posted by hama7 at 5:04 AM PST on August 22, 2002

It's quite possible to be ironic without using intolerably filthy and insulting language like blah blah blah.
Is MetaFilter the place for this?
posted by hama7 at 5:23 PM PST on February 6, 2003


wank·er Pronunciation Key (wngkr)
n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang

1. A person who masturbates.
2. A detestable person.

The hypocrisy of a certain segment here on MetaFilter (and in America) NEVER fails to amuse.

~chuckle~
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 5:58 PM on February 6, 2003


Get a grip on yourself.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 6:09 PM on February 6, 2003


fold, you're right in this case, but are you really helping? I'm seriously asking, 'cause I want to know. If you're not, why bother? What do you hope to gain? I'd really like to know.
posted by Wulfgar! at 6:13 PM on February 6, 2003


That was in response to a comment by JollyWanker.

~chuckle~
posted by hama7 at 6:20 PM on February 6, 2003


Well I missed it and usually I'm pretty astute about these things. Maybe it's because I seem to remember Hinc attacking people like Midas in the past. The thing is you'd think a major Wall Street player wouldn't have time to respond to such attacks, but you'd be wrong.

Just as you'd think most Hollywood actors and actresses would be too busy to do deep enough political analysis to think believe their opinions mattered.

That said ... my time's my own. Some days I just fiddle around all day, and waste time on all manner of things. Like MeFi. Of course there's also weeks at a time when I work 18 hour days, and don't visit MeFi at all.

It is hard to convey tone in text, but the likes of hinc and foldy rarely do anything but give me great amusement. hinc wasn't being merely attempting to be "ironic", he was attempting to be clever, at the same time as taking a really cheap, crude shot at me. Not exactly a new behavior. As was mentioned, all I did was say I enjoyed the FPP. It's really quite amazing what that comment invoked.

However, Wall Street folks do have thick skin - and neither childish attacks, nor subtle digs do anything other than to give me a big smile, and cause me to respond in a manner boils the blood of the writers (like touting my resume - as its quite clear that anyone that is proud of their own accomplishments - especially in the business world - is commiting some sort of sin in these circles).

But it's all in fun, isn't it? Much ado about nothing? No?
posted by MidasMulligan at 6:20 PM on February 6, 2003


Newsflash 1: hama7 has used bad language!

Newsflash 2: When he uses bad language, please start a MetaTalk thread about it, and when you do, he promises promise never to look back through your posting history in order to call you a hypocrite.

That's just the kind of guy he is.

posted by hama6 at 6:22 PM on February 6
posted by hama7 at 6:28 PM on February 6, 2003


Ah, f_and_m has swooped down from his aerie, taking a break from the thankless task of presiding over the font of all knowledge to identify and condemn the blatant "hypocricy" in our midst. Isn't it reassuring that there's someone who's never been wrong, and who never takes positions that are even marginally contradictory?

And with a ~chuckle~ and a ~wink~, he's gone again. Godspeed, f_and_m. Godspeed.*

~gag reflex~

*If appropriate, "Genericdeityspeed" or "Absenceofgodspeed" may be used instead.
posted by pardonyou? at 6:45 PM on February 6, 2003


With threads like these, who needs television?
posted by adampsyche at 6:45 PM on February 6, 2003


I made my point over here, exactly where I wasn't supposed to. Bad malph.

I'll summarize here, ironic or not, hincadenza picked the wrong target. He could have make them same point by talking about the author.

That said, the post was crap anyway, so no great loss.
posted by malphigian at 6:47 PM on February 6, 2003


The insufferability of a certain segment here on MetaFilter (and in America) NEVER fails to amuse.
posted by eddydamascene at 6:49 PM on February 6, 2003


Ah, but Midas, you do have a thin skin, as you feel it incumbent to respond to every perceived, alleged attack where one would think a person of your alleged importance might feel it beneath him to respond.

As to touting your resume, c'mon, if the bulk of the rest of your alleged heavy hitters say you here, kicking sand in the face of the first graders, they would be amused--but not to your favor. As for writing in a tone as to make the blood boil, as I addressed here, you do this from the git go. And your near constant patronizing tone does not reflect well upon your character.

We're all guilty of lapses here, but we all cut each other slack from time to time--we're all human. You insist on presenting yourself as superhuman, above it all but the length of your responses, the sneering tone, the constant drumbeat of how important you are--this is not the speech of a man proud of his accomplishments.

I don't know, it's a mystery: you say one thing but the way you say it says another.
posted by y2karl at 7:08 PM on February 6, 2003


Oddly, my firm is beginning an engagement with a department under the current administration. And in past roles, I've actually done business with 2 other administrations. But don't let me interrupt your tirade with facts.

Actually, I'm probably in a much higher tax bracket. Very few actors or actresses are even in the same league as senior Wall Street players - and she's definately a minor, B-list twit.

...(though I'll bet I have traveled considerably more extensively in the middle-east than she has, do attend World Economic Forum and CFR events, and know at least a few of the players personally).


jonson, we got fodder for your list, m'man.
posted by Shane at 7:36 PM on February 6, 2003


you say one thing but the way you say it says another

Not many people here have to contend with aspersions being cast on the truth of their comments about their lives the way MM does, nearly everyone else's statements, no matter how unlikely or unusual, are taken at face value. The fact that he feels a need to defend himself is likely evidence more of the fact that people here like to bait him by implying that he's lying about himself, than anything else. If you don't agree with his politics or comments, by all means argue against them, but making snide remarks implying that he's some kind of pathological liar just isn't cricket, in my humble opinion. How do you expect him to defend himself against that? Any answer he gives will be wrong. And what's the point of it anyway (other than to be mean)? How is it relevant? If his comments about his life bug you, and you just can't ignore them for some reason, why not at very least address them head-on?
posted by biscotti at 7:39 PM on February 6, 2003


I was not baiting him, I was not calling him a liar and I stand by the sentence you highlighted. It doesn't make sense.
posted by y2karl at 7:42 PM on February 6, 2003


I don't think you people understand Midas. I am a captain of industry, I've traveled quite extensively, I've been to the best schools, and I can state categorically that I know more than the rest of you. When I married my beloved wife, Kaysee Nicole, the wedding was attended by the formost dignitaries. It wasn't until I recieved all the Intel about Iraq's obvious possesion of cobalt bombs that my friend in the White House asked that I educate you plebs in MetaFilter with our extensive knowledge of world events and fine glassware. I knew, from my extensive experience of digging up Piltdown man, and selling certain bridges, that you folks here wouldn't be able to survive without the wisdom I could impart. After all, running the 5 largest megacorps in the world leaves me so much more time to review national affairs than the average writer (Vonnegut) or entertainer (Limbaugh) possess, I thought you all could appreciate the facts I deem worthy to share.


(Midas, for all any of us know, you're a fucking sophomore at ego-high in Ekalaka Montana. Your resume means shit. I don't agree with the way he did it, but f_and_m was right to call you on your hypocrisy. I, for one, don't give a fuck if you find it amusing. But I do find it very annoying that you think you know more than myself, or well established writers, or actors, or any American, or world citizen who actually bothers to participate and educate themselves. I'm so glad that folk here amuse you. Though I've found your comments reasonably well thought out in the past, please don't take offense if I just think you an arrogant ass from here on out. That's what you've just claimed to be, and I'll take you at your word, 'cause after all I'm a captain of industry and far more important to world economics than you will ever be, right?)
posted by Wulfgar! at 7:43 PM on February 6, 2003


And y2karl, yes, I am baiting him. Precisely because it doesn't matter if he's liar or not, he can't support his positions except to rely on his extensive resume (*cough hack bullshit*).
posted by Wulfgar! at 7:49 PM on February 6, 2003


MidasMulligan works on Wall Street?
posted by konolia at 8:06 PM on February 6, 2003


I'm slightly disturbed by the vitriol suddenly on display here. What ever happened to quite, rational discussion?
posted by sad_otter at 8:11 PM on February 6, 2003


I, for one, don't give a fuck if you find it amusing.

Isn't this

~ironic~.

The very offensive vulgarity-laced crude personal attack that inspired this thread has now appeared again in leotards!
posted by hama7 at 8:14 PM on February 6, 2003


MidasMulligan works on Wall Street?

Sure, why not? I have a theater named after me in Branson. What a country!

happy 3000th thread, metatalk! may you live long and prosper.
posted by PrinceValium at 8:14 PM on February 6, 2003


I'm slightly disturbed by the vitriol suddenly on display here. What ever happened to quite, rational discussion?

Fallacy ripped the guts from quiet discussion as it lay peacefully under the sun in a field of daffodils. Fallacy snarled as it gnashed its awful fangs and sucked deeply from the shitty tripe of its fresh kill. Fallacy roared to the sky with its blood stained teeth all bared for the gods to see its potency and power.

Or maybe its just that some people think they're better than the rest of us, and the rest of us take issue with that. I don't know, do you?
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:22 PM on February 6, 2003


The very offensive vulgarity-laced crude personal attack that inspired this thread has now appeared again in leotards!

You're abosolutely right, Hama7. Dirty filthy language shouldn't be used when pointing out the arrogance of our superiors. (Talk about Irony...)

And the leotard thing ... was that supposed to make sense? It really didn't for me.
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:29 PM on February 6, 2003


OK, give me the car keys, Wulfgar, if you want any more mead.
I'm having one of the rhinemaidens drive you home.
posted by y2karl at 8:29 PM on February 6, 2003


whew, timed that right--or was it synchronicity?
posted by y2karl at 8:31 PM on February 6, 2003


Never drink a pot of strong coffee and surf the 'Filter. It leads to irony and horned eyeballs.
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:32 PM on February 6, 2003


For a while there Wulfgar, you were blowing my mind... and I liked it.
posted by Hildago at 8:42 PM on February 6, 2003


By the way, hama, I just clicked on the Brandon Vedas thread

--shitty? pussified?

*faints at the sheer vulgarity of it all*
posted by y2karl at 8:49 PM on February 6, 2003


Hey hama7. Suck it.
posted by The Jesse Helms at 8:55 PM on February 6, 2003


*faints at the sheer vulgarity of it all*

Kinda covered that already, pinkie-extender-baiter.
posted by hama7 at 9:12 PM on February 6, 2003


To some of us, that's a friendly and welcome invitation, The Jesse Helms. I suppose str8 liberals consider it some sort of insult these days.
posted by sir walsingham at 9:13 PM on February 6, 2003


Newsflash 3:When someone posts about Emmett Till, start a MetaTalk thread about how it's about hama7.

You forgot that one.
posted by y2karl at 9:20 PM on February 6, 2003


Does anyone here like coffee? With cream and sugar?
posted by konolia at 9:23 PM on February 6, 2003


Anyway, I'm done for the evening. Say, goodnight, Itchy.
posted by y2karl at 9:25 PM on February 6, 2003


y'know, MeFi is full of some really interesting, articulate, passionate, educated, and witty folks. I'm sure lots of people here have accomplished impressive things. But, lots of people here don't parade them around to lord over other members. (Granted, hincandenza was being rude...but it's really easy for me to view anyone who refers to themselves as a "major Wall Street player" with presumably a straight face as supercilious and arrogant and not generally worth my time.)
posted by Vidiot at 9:26 PM on February 6, 2003


MetaTalk: Won't someone please think of the children?
posted by blue_beetle at 9:30 PM on February 6, 2003


Midas, the avatar you present is a simple, thinly-drawn character from a John Grisham novel. Not once has it ever offered an insight into capitalism (and its attendant philosophies) which could not easily have issued from a bumpkinly, Google-challenged, ex gym teacher, and its occasional suspender-snapping self-reveries do nothing to mitigate the suspicion surrounding its oft-proclaimed credential.

Whether MeFiMulligan is a true reflection of its creator is of no consequence to me; I am merely pointing out that your avatar does nothing to confirm your Masters of the Universe delegacy. To be fair, this may result from conscious choice - perhaps even agenda - your avatar's glaring omission of insider insight and real-world savvy may be the result of a calculated decision to use this forum to distribute bite-sized chunks of ADM agitprop, rather than to educate our pallets to some of capitalism's more exotic delicacies - which is fine, of course, if a bit disingenuous...I mean, who among us hasn't been guilty of that at one time or another?

I guess I just want to point out that I know a couple of faithful, active, involved capitalists, and they are depressingly savvy, alert, and extrospective - often self-deprecating - and capable of wickedly perceptive appraisals of circumstance and motive, which, to my constant annoyance, invariably include a lot of nudging, winking, hoodwinking, and encrypted insider barcode - none of which ever manages to peek through your avatar's prosaic prose.
posted by Opus Dark at 9:54 PM on February 6, 2003


I guess I just want to point out that I know a couple of faithful, active, involved capitalists, and they are depressingly savvy, alert, and extrospective - often self-deprecating - and capable of wickedly perceptive appraisals of circumstance and motive, which, to my constant annoyance, invariably include a lot of nudging, winking, hoodwinking, and encrypted insider barcode - none of which ever manages to peek through your avatar's prosaic prose.

If Midas works with Wall Street, he's working a weak ass line for Merrill Lynch in New Jersey. A Wall Street shark would not troll around Metafilter.

I'm late for my Payne Webber coffee break, 15 minutes, brb.
posted by The Jesse Helms at 10:10 PM on February 6, 2003


An effective way to deal with predators is to taste terrible.
posted by Mack Twain at 10:35 PM on February 6, 2003


pardonyou, I'd like to buy you a beer.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 10:39 PM on February 6, 2003


Well, I'm still up, so another two bits.

Jesse Helms, Opus Dark--exactly. You would think the person as he describes himself as being would not use the language, vocabulary or tone he does--or talk down to people the way he does. My contact with the rich and powerful has been very limited but to a person they were gracious and impeccably mannered and treated me as if I were a person who mattered, no matter how they may have really felt about me. That's how members of that class behave, even the upstarts, the self-made new money. Members of that class would treat him with ten times the contempt with which he treats us if they saw the tone and sneering of what he wrote here. If he is who he says he is--he has some serious issues.
posted by y2karl at 10:46 PM on February 6, 2003


Actually, now that I think about it, if he isn't who he says he is, he has serious issues.
posted by y2karl at 10:53 PM on February 6, 2003


MetaFilter is the new Pinkerton's Detective Agency.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:14 PM on February 6, 2003


I bet you're not really Portuguese.
posted by timeistight at 11:38 PM on February 6, 2003


Yeah, Miguel - say something indisputably Portuguesey.
posted by Opus Dark at 11:43 PM on February 6, 2003


well, MeTa's the right place for it. *good-natured snark*
posted by Vidiot at 11:44 PM on February 6, 2003


OK, OpusDark:

Aposto que o faltadetempo não pisca nada do trombone.

[I bet timeistight can't play the trombone for toffee.]

P.S. And that's my chat quota for the week exhausted, before Matt hauls the arrow-ravaged, martyred figure of MeFi's "ailing server" before me. :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:51 PM on February 6, 2003


You sure about that, Miguel? Machine translation puts it as:

Eu apostei que o timeistight não pode jogar o trombone para o toffee.

(MeFi Ugly Rumour of the Week: since his protracted absence, Miguel is no longer Portugese.)
posted by Vidiot at 11:59 PM on February 6, 2003


I feel like an idiot for having engaged the Midas avatar on its terms. Need to take that $49.95 Digital Literacy video course endorsed by Opus Dark. Tell 'um Micheal Joyce sent ya.
posted by raaka at 3:58 AM on February 7, 2003


Reapeating the same dumb English Lit in-joke on a website over several months ought to give raaka bot readers a real sense of Turing reality. Or that it's reference material hasn't been updated in awhile.
posted by raaka at 4:36 AM on February 7, 2003


Jesse Helms, Opus Dark--exactly. You would think the person as he describes himself as being would not use the language, vocabulary or tone he does

Allow me to recommend Michael Lewis' Liar's Poker to you. Who should he talk like, Mr. Burns? It's awesome that people are free to be whomever they wish to and free to make any wild claims they want here as long as they think the right way.

Who fucking cares? Midas' extended resume review went a bit too far, but it did start as a legitimate response to the poorly chosen snark directed at him. The amount of attention paid to it says more about the insecurities of the respondents than it does about him.

Case A: He is who he claims to be and lives a more-than-comfortable life.

Case B: He's not who he claims to be. Quality of life unknown.

Which case makes a real difference to you? If you can derive pleasure from either case being true, you should shut off your computer.
posted by yerfatma at 4:54 AM on February 7, 2003


So when did this thread switch from discussing the appropriateness of hinc's comment to piling on MidasMulligan?
posted by rocketman at 5:11 AM on February 7, 2003


hincandenza writes a lengthy comment stating that dismissing someone's opinion because of who they are (instead of responding to their argument) is wrong, and then he ends his comment by dismissing someone's opinion because of who they are, and people didn't get the irony?
posted by turaho at 5:30 AM on February 7, 2003


Metafilter: People didn't get the irony.
posted by PrinceValium at 6:27 AM on February 7, 2003


pardonyou, I'd like to buy you a beer.

Sounds great -- anytime! But let's invite foldy so we can be sure to have some good ~chuckle~s.
posted by pardonyou? at 6:46 AM on February 7, 2003


Oh thank you Metafilter. This is why I love you so...

And thank you to all the MeFites who beautifully fail to spot irony.

As adampsyche said, better than the telly.
posted by i_cola at 6:53 AM on February 7, 2003


I don't think the irony is at issue. I think it's the chosen target.
posted by yerfatma at 6:57 AM on February 7, 2003


I always just dewrinkle in the dryer, myself.
posted by konolia at 7:05 AM on February 7, 2003


hey opus, why don't you try talking DOWN to people since your REAL famous like...tell us your causes. what makes you wake from bad dreams.

MetaFilter is the new Pinkerton's Detective Agency.

see, oppy, you twit, that statement is boarder line genius, why?, well big guns, why don't you tell us with that big word list you use....why is migs comment funny beyond what i have read on this slate of ego drippings. Hincande...is a disaffected fuck stick with Foldy as his pogo stick apprentice.
posted by clavdivs at 7:48 AM on February 7, 2003


So when did this thread switch from discussing the appropriateness of hinc's comment to piling on MidasMulligan?

I was sorta wondering that myself. This is what hinc said:

On preview: hey Midas- shut yer fucking trap. You aren't an "expert", you don't work in the current administration- therefore your opinion is unimportant. You have even less right to speak than Janeane- bet you aren't even in her tax bracket, white trash mo'fo! You are neither expert, nor Fox News talk show host, nor convicted Reagan- era felon with a cabinet post. So what do you have to offer? Zip, zilch, zero, nada. Pipe down, li'l one.

It was an ugly, crude response to a single sentence of mine in which I did nothing more than say I enjoyed the FPP. Yet it's being touted as some brilliant piece of "irony", and when I responded to the post, point by point (and not with gutter language), it is my response that is called into question. Interesting.

I'm so glad that folk here amuse you. Though I've found your comments reasonably well thought out in the past, please don't take offense if I just think you an arrogant ass from here on out.

You are worth responding to Wulfgar!. If you find my comments often dismissive and sometimes condescending, well, that is often a subtext inserted on purpose ... because I do represent what is a minority viewpoint on MeFi, and I reflect back attitudes I perceive. I find many comments from foldy, and hinc, and others tremendously arrogant, dismissive, condescending, and hypocritical. Their prose is full of opinion stated as fact, they say they stand for "peace" but initiate attacks quite often with language full of violent emotion (talk about "hypocritical"); they are "liberal", and believe everyone's voice should be heard and acknowledged as having value ... unless it disagrees with their viewpoint ... in which case any repsonse is justified, including extremely personal attacks. If you'd care to look at those threads in which you think I'm arrogant and condescending ... and put yourself in the place of someone that disagrees with the common MeFi perspective, you might find that the only difference between them and me is that I'm overt about it, and aware of being arrogant. They are not (and they also respond with tremendous vigor when their behavior is reflected back on them).

However, what also happens on MeFi is a good number of interesting discussions ... and much of the time I am not "touting my resume", nor being "condescending", but really do try to contribute carefully written perspectives from a viewpoint that is not the majority one. And there are a number of people here who also really think about what they are writing - and you, Wulfgar, are definately one of them (Ty is another). While I rarely agree with your perspective, I do very much appreciate reading it. You never feel the need to get viscous, or use cheap shots and gutter language to make your point.

The hincs and foldys are simply petty little boys that its fun to joust with, but aren't really capable of anything other than cliches ... but you, Wolfgar ... construct well-reasoned arguments in an intelligent tone, and have at times raised points that were new to me. You may certainly dismiss me as an ass if you wish, but I'll continue to read, and enjoy your contributions to MeFi.
posted by MidasMulligan at 7:50 AM on February 7, 2003


Aaaargh... dammit f&m, you haven't earned Midas' approval yet! Don't jump, man! You have so much to live for!
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:01 AM on February 7, 2003


"My contact with the rich and powerful has been very limited but to a person they were gracious and impeccably mannered and treated me as if I were a person who mattered, no matter how they may have really felt about me. "

I work in an investment bank in Midtown, and I can say with absolute certainty that you're off-base. From my cubicle (I'm not a "major player"), I can currently see four grade-A assholes. Hell, this place is crawling with them.
posted by Samsonov14 at 8:16 AM on February 7, 2003


Geez. Who the hell cares how fat MMulligan's paycheck is or isn't? It doesn't make the damnedest bit of difference on MetaFilter; here, he's just another shmoe like the rest of us. Going to such pains to try and debunk his identity is even more pointless than his puffing himself up in the first place.

Also, Midas, it takes all kinds, but surely in your time in New York you've learned the virtue of not taking oneself quite so seriously. Hincandenza's apparent attempt at irony was poor indeed but deliberately responding with an earnest self defense? Oh, please -- no.
posted by mattpfeff at 8:29 AM on February 7, 2003


In my experience there is the same proportional distribution of high and low quality human beings at every income level. When I was at an investment bank there were partners and vps who were just great people and some who were awful. I've found the same thing with people who work for non-profits.

Also, the statement that a real wall street pro would never spend time posting on mefi shows a lack of understanding of just how much procrastination and/or real downtime there can be on wall street. Also, how much people sometimes need an outlet - some way of getting their minds off the job. Unless he's on a trading desk, there's nothing odd about posting to mefi.
posted by fluffy1984 at 9:15 AM on February 7, 2003


This is insane.
How many tax brackets do you people think there are?
posted by goneill at 9:21 AM on February 7, 2003


1,000,009?
posted by i_cola at 9:28 AM on February 7, 2003


6.

And anyone who has over approx. $300,000 in taxable income is in the highest (Federal) bracket.
posted by pitchblende at 9:44 AM on February 7, 2003


Thanks pitchblende.

I also find that when people are in that highest tax bracket they know it.
posted by goneill at 9:52 AM on February 7, 2003


I work in an investment bank in Midtown, and I can say with absolute certainty that you're off-base

Ah, well, I suppose I was speaking of members of the upper class and not their hirelings.

If you find my comments often dismissive and sometimes condescending, well, that is often a subtext inserted on purpose ...

Ah, Midas, there is an aphorism by La Rochefoucauld to the effect that--

The proof that we are aware of our own faults is in the self-flattering words with which we choose to describe and disguise them.

As I said elsewhere, if we could hook a generator to your spin--on yourself alone--we would never be dependent on Mideast oil again.

Far fewer of your comments are carefully written perspectives from a viewpoint that is not the majority one than you claim--if one were to do a word count, the bulk of your commentary here would fall into the categories of touting your superiority, denigrating others and the self flattering reinterpretation of your own previous remarks. A great deal of your subject matter here is yourself and that, I think, is not without design.

I cross swords with a few people here, hama7, for instance, but between he and I, for all the rancor, there is more respect and common ground. than between you and I.

Your incredible sensitivity, your inability to treat people here as equals, your compulsion to condescend, your gratuitous sneers and your megalomaniac self-portraits--these will always be your Achilles heel.

One aphorism of La Rochefoucauld I do remember is

Our enemies come nearer the truth in the
opinions they form of us than we do in our opinion of ourselves.


You reveal far more of yourself here than you realize or care to admit.
posted by y2karl at 11:15 AM on February 7, 2003


I'd like to interrupt this ridiculous gang-up to ask Miguel to translate more usernames into Portuguese.

If memberships were still open, I'd start over as faltadetempo.
posted by timeistight at 12:00 PM on February 7, 2003


Your incredible sensitivity...

Paging Doktor Freud!

...your inability to treat people here as equals, your compulsion to condescend, your gratuitous sneers and your megalomaniac self-portraits--these will always be your Achilles heel.

Talking about yourself again, or are you referring to perhaps fold_and_mutilate, hincandenza et al?

Really, you've had a weird bias against Midas for some time, and frankly it's getting creepy. Unfortunately it's not just your obsessive fixations. I don't think i've seen a member get so regularly personally insulted and called a liar in all the time I've been visiting here as I have Midas. If you have nothing to add to a conversation, or no reasonable and topical criticism to put forth to another member, then I suggest you quietly shut down your computer and take a walk, or perhaps listen to a soothing string quartet.
posted by sir walsingham at 12:00 PM on February 7, 2003


I don't think i've seen a member get so regularly personally insulted and called a liar in all the time I've been visiting here as I have Midas.

You just named one: fold_and_mutilate. I'd aver he's drawn far more fire.
posted by y2karl at 12:10 PM on February 7, 2003


Hmm, since it would seem to be a case of whose ox is getting gored, ideologically speaking, this sounds like a job for tannim, now that I think about it. Or some other impartial workerof equivalent repute.
posted by y2karl at 12:15 PM on February 7, 2003


I don't think the irony is at issue.

I wasn't sure if it was an issue either. Hence the post. I'm still not sure. I feel like UN waverer after hearing Colin 'pronounced Colin' Powell's evidence.
posted by feelinglistless at 12:22 PM on February 7, 2003


I'd like to interrupt this ridiculous gang-up to ask Miguel to translate more usernames into Portuguese.

Yeah, do mine.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 12:30 PM on February 7, 2003


Dead thread, I'm sure, but what in the hell is this? I'm thinking Hama7 posted that right? The diction and content doesn't seem to be of Hama's style, am I missing the irony? I checked the source and he just typed in the html to make it look like that right? But why?
posted by wtf? at 12:26 PST on February 7
posted by elwoodwiles at 12:31 PM on February 7, 2003


See here.
posted by y2karl at 12:39 PM on February 7, 2003


...tune in tomorrow for another episode of As the MeFi Turns...
posted by me3dia at 2:48 PM on February 7, 2003


y2karl, thanks. It's one of those html tricks so obvious I'd never thought of it.
posted by at 3:21 PM PST on February 7


To make this visually effective, however, one needs to make two comments in order to cover up. Hama7 could've fooled me if he'd just made space and put up a counter comment. I won't do this in threads in the future, as it'll inevitably annoy our host, but when I see "posted by" shaded the wrong way it'll tip me off.
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:31 PM on February 7, 2003


when I see "posted by" shaded the wrong way it'll tip me off.

This, I believe, is our host's way of tipping us off--you used to be able to go into Source and copy the colors and font for the 'posted by', timestamp and date line--example. That is no longer possible, hence one can no longer spoof or invent a username effectively. *sniff*
posted by y2karl at 3:51 PM on February 7, 2003


...tell us your causes. what makes you wake from bad dreams.

[For more information about the Preternatural Reification of Opus Dark (PROD) see: Tuesday, Ruby]

why is migs comment funny beyond what i have read on this slate of ego drippings.

"They have built this vast labyrinth which they can lose themselves in for ever. I realise, to my surprise, that after months in the Emin, I can talk for minutes about the hidden significances of any meaningless object. Even the cup on my desk now has a shape, a name, a colour which can all be woven into this wild jungle of Emin semiology. It's blue, which would denote nurturing, creating. The cup is round which indicates—obviously—'containment', which is an Emin concept relating again to nurturing, but the shape also forms a zero, or the letter 'O', both of which might produce other meanings. The word cup can be broken down to c-up. Upwards? What does 'c' stand for? Why is the handle yellow? What does the handle's shape signify? And so on, and on, and on." --William shaw

Yours truly,
Big Guns, AKA Bigguns, AKA Sheen Malaise
posted by Opus Dark at 7:40 PM on February 7, 2003


go back to three line quips opy. they are easier to read and your becoming more inchoate then I.
posted by clavdivs at 8:37 AM on February 8, 2003


Dancing babies
played air guitar,
and Pynchon's dog was howling.
The infinite jester,
sticky wih glue,
hung schlock wallpaper,
scowling.
posted by Opus Dark at 12:29 PM on February 8, 2003


last word
posted by clavdivs at 8:04 AM on February 10, 2003


no way
posted by matteo at 5:45 PM on February 10, 2003


first post!
posted by clavdivs at 1:20 AM PST on February 11

no way
posted by eddydamascene at 1:21 AM on February 11, 2003


I'm invisible.
posted by Opus Dark at 1:27 AM on February 11, 2003


Crap, forgot a second line break. Again.


And I'm invisible!
posted by eddydamascene at 1:42 AM on February 11, 2003


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