Enthusiam is great, but this is just one lame post. April 22, 2003 2:51 PM   Subscribe

If you're going to pee all over a thread, considering taking it to MeTa first. Okay, I'll bite. As VulcanMike points out, this really isn't WhiteStripesFilter. Enthusiam is great, but this is just one lame post.
posted by Wulfgar! to Etiquette/Policy at 2:51 PM (61 comments total)

I thought four straight appearances on Conan was interesting news, that not everyone had heard about yet, and that's why I made the post.

If I had not already known about this, I would have certainly wanted someone here to bring it to my attention.
posted by Beholder at 2:57 PM on April 22, 2003


First, I like the White Stripes. Second, because I like the White Stripes, I've known about this for at least a week. Third, The links are dreadfully inadequate, given the previous White Stripes posts on Mefi. Fourth, Are we in the business of promotion now for those bands, movies, items et al that the cool people are supposed to like? Fifth , I agree that pissing on the thread is innapropriate, and Sixth (this will probably get this post deleted) I thought another post to MeTa could use a break by scroll down. I'm sure someone else has had enough fun for one day.
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:58 PM on April 22, 2003


I thought another post to MeTa could use a break by scroll down.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
posted by timeistight at 3:03 PM on April 22, 2003


So you want WhiteStripes; WhiteStriped
posted by thomcatspike at 3:07 PM on April 22, 2003


Well I had thought about adding links to various reviews of their new album, but other than that, there really wasn't any need to fatten up the post.

It's just a simple FYI post concerning a unique (four in a row) television appearance.

I'm don't regret making the post, and it seems a few readers are happy that I did, so that's good enough for me.
posted by Beholder at 3:15 PM on April 22, 2003


I cannot defend the thread... but I do love the stripes.
posted by dash_slot- at 3:16 PM on April 22, 2003


oh calm down everyone. skip the post if you want.

sheesh.
posted by xmutex at 3:16 PM on April 22, 2003


The problem I see is 'taking it to MeTa' still leaves the post. We can agree in MeTa that the post really, really sucks, but posters who seldom venture out of the blue could easily mistake it as a 'good' post'.

And then they post similar poo.

Doesn't self policing benefit by public shaming?
posted by DBAPaul at 3:21 PM on April 22, 2003


Wulfgar!: Its not like you didn't take all the chances you could get to chime in... you dick.

Anyway... I'm sure some of the fans were glad you posted, true. But I agree that the post still doesn't fit the guidelines for a acceptable post.
posted by Witty at 3:23 PM on April 22, 2003


We should really track down Beholder, beat him with a spiked baseball bat, capture the whole thing on film, and then make a post about it as a warning to all who might follow a similar path.

Oh, they'd learn.
posted by xmutex at 3:25 PM on April 22, 2003


So when the new Radiohead album comes out, are we going to have six threads for that too?
posted by ed at 3:26 PM on April 22, 2003


So when the new Radiohead album comes out, are we going to have six threads for that too?

Probably. That, X-Men 2, Matrix sequels, ROTK, whenever the next Star Wars comes out....
posted by Ufez Jones at 3:31 PM on April 22, 2003


How about the Drunk Stuntmen?
posted by Witty at 3:34 PM on April 22, 2003


Reading the post in an RSS newsreader, without knowing who posted it, made me think that a publicist for either the band or the show had posted this. Which is exactly why the post is wrong, wrong, wrong.

"Don't forget to watch The West Wing tonight!"

"You'll never guess who's guest-starring on tonight's episode of The Simpsons [more inside]"

Imagine a MetaFilter where posts are made solely to drum up shows' ratings.

Besides, the links are just to the home pages of the band and the show. If you're going to post on a TV show or someone's appearance thereon (or an upcoming movie, or a product release, or anything that would clearly benefit from the publicity), at least find an interesting angle. Hint: liking the band is not an interesting angle. Appearing all week is not interesting enough, unless you've got an interesting link to back it up. Which this post doesn't.

Adding reviews wouldn't have made it any better either, because they wouldn't have made the story any more interesting.

Any post where the subject benefits from the publicity more than we benefit from reading about it is questionable on its face.
posted by mcwetboy at 3:38 PM on April 22, 2003


you dick

Charming.
You kiss your mother with that mouth? You eat with that mouth? Garbage mouth.
posted by dash_slot- at 3:40 PM on April 22, 2003


The Stripes thread was no worse than hearing about Radiohead a couple days back. Personally, I'd rather not see either post. They both have the stench of advertisement all over them.
posted by Galvatron at 3:46 PM on April 22, 2003


We should really track down Beholder, beat him with a spiked baseball bat, capture the whole thing on film, and then make a post about it as a warning to all who might follow a similar path.

I wonder if I should send your email address to the police.

Last time I checked, it was a crime to threaten someone with violence.

You're probably just joking, but these days it pays to be careful.
posted by Beholder at 3:48 PM on April 22, 2003



you dick

Charming.
You kiss your mother with that mouth? You eat with that mouth? Garbage mouth.


Yeah, you stupid, stupid garbage mouth! Why don't you eat some garbage with that mouth! Coz that's what's in your mouth already! Garbage!

Oh, maybe your mother is made out of garbage! So it's ok to kiss her! Yeah! Why don't you go and kiss your ol' garbagey mother! Garbagey Mouth! Garbage Man! Mr. Garbage!! Who likes garbage! In his mouth!
posted by sonofsamiam at 3:58 PM on April 22, 2003


Jesus, Beholder, of course xmutex was joking. And it was funny.

Oh, they'd learn.

Hee!
posted by cortex at 4:05 PM on April 22, 2003


I much prefer Garbage to the White Stripes.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 4:05 PM on April 22, 2003


I thought another post to MeTa could use a break by scroll down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!


Think I just scrolled the wrong way...
posted by thomcatspike at 4:08 PM on April 22, 2003


what in the hell are you kids on about?
posted by crunchland at 4:14 PM on April 22, 2003


Apparently Whitesnake are up against Conan the Barbarian in a four-game series. My money's on Conan, but watch that Coverdale bloke, he's vicious with those hair-curlers.
posted by squealy at 4:25 PM on April 22, 2003


The problem I see is 'taking it to MeTa' still leaves the post.

If the post is that bad, then Matt will delete it. Its his prerogative and privilege and attempting to ruin the thread is very unlikely to change his mind.

If you complain in the thread or complain in MeTa, then the result is the same. Besides, Matt is more likely to notice the "bad post" call in MeTa than in the thread itself.

I mean, really, was the post so bad that its very presence offended you?
posted by bshort at 4:36 PM on April 22, 2003


I would now officially like to be known as Dick, Dick Garbagemouth, of the Boston Garbagemouths.
posted by Wulfgar! at 4:48 PM on April 22, 2003


The overarching concern here is that a thread that isn't about anything in particular, that fails to address one facet of an artist or a movie or what have you, is allowed to exist. This thread is about Evelyn Waugh, but it is more than that. It works because questions were raised and people followed up with their own interpretations (while offering their own firebolts of passion). Perfectly acceptable in my book.

But anything less than that is CelebrityFilter. You may as well have a FPP that reads: "Dude! I checked out the White Stripes show last night. Aren't they cool? More inside."
posted by ed at 4:50 PM on April 22, 2003


I agree, crappy post. No news, nothing interesting, no new cool web site that we are all dying to see. Can't we just say "crappy post" and move on? Personally, I also don't think that The Michael The was "pissing all over the post." I think he did it in a quite normal way, but quoting the 'rules.' He could have been a lot nastier-as a lot of people in this have shown they can be.

BTW Beholder, you should easily realize that xmutex was just joking. Methinks perhaps you are a little touchy because this is about your post.

Personally, I don't care about the White Stripes. But that adds nothing to this discussion...
posted by aacheson at 5:10 PM on April 22, 2003


Feeling compelled to add to this thread, as my name is in the post, I'll point out the following:

Beholder said:
I thought four straight appearances on Conan was interesting news, that not everyone had heard about yet, and that's why I made the post.

If I had not already known about this, I would have certainly wanted someone here to bring it to my attention.


Reading this, it's clear that Beholder did not understand the posting guidelines. As The Michael The quoted, MetaFilter is not for posting random news or facts.

The posting guidelines include the qualifier "most people haven't seen it before" -- but "it" does not refer to the content of the post itself, but rather the page to which the post links.

Regardless of whether this is a WhiteStripesFilter post, the links should have at least provided some interesting content or information.

On top of that, MeFi is being used as a sort of lazyfilter for information that certain segments of the community find useful.

Post about the White Stripes existing, and link to reputable and insightful reviews and articles. Post about their breakthrough video and link to that video. After that, unless they're doing something exceptionally notable for which there's a content-rich destination link, leave it up to the fans to join mailing lists or check White Stripes fan pages.

If we use MetaFilter as an information crutch, we are not only hurting the community, but we're also hurting the Web, as we're not using its non-meta resources properly.
posted by VulcanMike at 5:13 PM on April 22, 2003


I wonder whats gonna happen when Jimmy Kimmel's show starts catching on... A new guest host every week... for the whole week!

Goddam that Mike Tyson is funny.
posted by 10sball at 5:52 PM on April 22, 2003


you know guys , since i've been coming here , i'm finding it harder to be a gentleman every day.
posted by sgt.serenity at 6:08 PM on April 22, 2003


Oh my God, people on Metafilter buy things, and listen to music, and watch TV, and ... Ow! *must ... reject ... commercial ... culture ... urgghhhh*
posted by monju_bosatsu at 6:13 PM on April 22, 2003


The overarching concern here is that a thread that isn't about anything in particular, that fails to address one facet of an artist or a movie or what have you, is allowed to exist. This thread is about Evelyn Waugh...

Who is obviously shilling her new book.

Waughfilter.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 6:19 PM on April 22, 2003


I've never heard of the White Stripes.

And oddly enough I didn't feel any compulsion to click the link either. *yawn*
posted by konolia at 6:27 PM on April 22, 2003


My teeth have never been whiter. I love these Crest Whitestrips™.

Huh? White Stripes? Oh, I don't have an opinion on them. That's why I skipped that post.
posted by UrbanFigaro at 6:49 PM on April 22, 2003


This thread is about Evelyn Waugh...

Who is obviously shilling her new book.


Too funny.
posted by timeistight at 6:51 PM on April 22, 2003


sgt. serenity: you know guys , since i've been coming here , i'm finding it harder to be a gentleman every day.

Im female btw : )

Not that a woman can't be a gentleman, but usually men are gentlemen . . . So, which is it? Are you a gentleman or a gentlelady? Not that a bad post isn't worth mentioning, but it won't keep me awake at night (usually). Your gender, however, now THAT might keep me thinking far into the night.
posted by ashbury at 7:22 PM on April 22, 2003


"it's clear that Beholder did not understand the posting guidelines"

Why would anyone bother to understand the guidelines? No one follows them. And what if they did? Most of the posts today can be spun using contrived logic to fit the guidelines. We're actually debating what the meaning of "it" is.

MetaFilter posts are, almost without exception, breaking news, op-ed pieces, product placements, or history channel digests. So what if we add TV listings? MetaFilter is the new CNN. No matter how unalterably stupid a post is, some dipspork will chime in with, "Well I hadn't seen it before and I want to thank you for the post."

The "haven't seen before" thing is naive. Most of the people here have seen most of the stuff that gets posted.

Guidelines shmidelines. We have the same amount of focus here as you'd find in a Sunday news paper. Beating people up over it used to make sense. I don't see what the point is now.

And Beholder, I think xmutex clearly means to murder you and you should be very afraid, This is indeed very illegal and very serious. I suggest you call the FBI and explain to them that xmutex is after you.
posted by y6y6y6 at 8:03 PM on April 22, 2003


ashbury, if we were allowed to link to the collage of photos of #mefi regulars, you would be shown without doubt that sgt.serenity is no lady. Nor is he female. I have strong doubts about his gentlemanly nature as well, but no photographic proof of this.
posted by dg at 8:05 PM on April 22, 2003


BTW on a similar subject ... Bowie Rocks Jonathon Ross!

What do you mean you don't get BBC One? It's Bowie!
posted by DaRiLo at 8:08 PM on April 22, 2003


I think sgt. serenity means that I'm Finding It Harder To Be A Gentleman.
posted by dogwalker at 8:13 PM on April 22, 2003


Sgt. Serenity used to have manners, but they are slowing dying away.
posted by dhacker at 8:21 PM on April 22, 2003


DaRiLo: Actually, that _would_ be mefi worthy. That was great, especially the sublime performance of "Everyone says Hi", even better than the album version. Have recordings of that been published? I'd love to get those on CD/Mp3/Vinyl/Tape/Whatever.

What do you mean, I'm derailing the thread?
posted by fvw at 8:23 PM on April 22, 2003


MetaTalk: Home of Dick Garbagemouth, of the Boston Garbagemouths
posted by billsaysthis at 8:55 PM on April 22, 2003


Jesus, Beholder, of course xmutex was joking. And it was funny.

Man, you are so right. It would be hilarious if we beat him, and then he looked like this, this, this, this, or this. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

Don't click.
posted by j.edwards at 11:02 PM on April 22, 2003


Why is it that I'm much less concerned about a poster who was obviously using hyperbole than I am of someone who just spent likely a decent amount of time searching for and posting photos like that?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 11:28 PM on April 22, 2003


Google image search is my time-saving friend... I confess.
I thought he was joking too, I was more concerned that someone found that idea funny.
posted by j.edwards at 11:38 PM on April 22, 2003


"Witty" (sic): Quit while you're behind. Please.
posted by adamgreenfield at 2:37 AM on April 23, 2003


how many bands are on Conan/Letterman/Whatever every week? Do we need a FPP about them, every single time they're on the air? Why the White Stripes, then (maybe because they sent actual LP's to reviewers insted of cd's, omigodthey'resocool!?)
And why not *shudder* Dido?
The FPP was basically linkless, therefore supremely uninteresting, since this should not be alt.fan.whatever
As pointed out already, it was a linkless, FYI post. I'm surprised it's still up, actually.
posted by matteo at 2:55 AM on April 23, 2003


oh calm down xmutex. skip the metatalk post if you want.

sheesh.
posted by walrus at 4:19 AM on April 23, 2003


It's too late, dg. I've already had a horrible nite's sleep. At 4 a.m. I sat bolt upright from a dead sleep and muttered to myself, "Man or woman? Man or woman? What is it? What? WHAT!?" I didn't get back to sleep until 5 a.m.

j.edwards, I'm fairly sure you didn't have to go that far to make your point. I realize that you were simply reinforcing somebody's perhaps thoughtless choice of words and bringing to us the reality of what they meant, but I don't think it was that necessary in this case.
posted by ashbury at 5:27 AM on April 23, 2003


well , i can say that in my brief career as a woman , i gave a man a sleepless night.
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:50 AM on April 23, 2003


I'm surprised it's still up, actually.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:55 AM on April 23, 2003


I thought four straight appearances on Conan was interesting news, that not everyone had heard about yet, and that's why I made the post.

Jonathan Richman sang the first song on the first show of Late Night with Conan O'Brien and has appeared there more times than any other music guest. Not everyone has heard that and that's why I made this comment.
posted by y2karl at 8:55 AM on April 23, 2003


[that is good]
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:08 AM on April 23, 2003


Going faster miles an hour
Gonna ride by the Stop-n-Shop
With the radio on
I'm in love with the modern world
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:11 AM on April 23, 2003


This was pointed out earlier, but no one raised any hell over this post, which was made just a few days ago.
posted by Beholder at 12:15 PM on April 23, 2003


Can I clarify for the record that my suggestion of a baseball bat beating complete with a video taping followed by a public post to MetaFilter documenting said beating was in jest, and that anyone who pursues such an endeavor is guilty of not only wrong doing but also gut-wrenching stupidty?

Nothing but love, baby.
posted by xmutex at 1:17 PM on April 23, 2003


Miguel has cleared the way, and Beholder is following the path. It is hard to blame him when some are rewarded for similar behavior. Lower your expectations yesterday, cause we are going down fast.
posted by thirteen at 2:30 PM on April 23, 2003


j.edwards, I didn't mean to imply that beating the shit out of someone is funny. What was funny was the ridiculously biting sarcasm of xmutex's statement. Absurdity is funny shit, yo. Recap: violent beatings = bad; mocking violent jackasses = funny.

Goes to show, once again, that text is a sub-par medium for emotionally nuanced conversation.
posted by cortex at 3:25 PM on April 23, 2003


I like bunny rabbits, satan, cheese & milk.
posted by ZachsMind at 3:35 PM on April 23, 2003


Absurdity is funny shit, yo.

Not always... not always. I'm learning.
posted by Witty at 5:17 PM on April 23, 2003


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