Is somebody feeling cranky? June 22, 2004 1:33 PM   Subscribe

Is somebody feeling cranky?. I recently handled a personal attack poorly, so this time I'll do the civilized thing and bring it in here.
posted by jonmc to Etiquette/Policy at 1:33 PM (77 comments total)

Wait, wait, let me get this now: Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, we get a new MeTa thread?
posted by soyjoy at 1:38 PM on June 22, 2004


Wait, I get it. Just an altruistic attempt to push quonsar's crazy-coded screed further down so we don't have a MeTa front page full of italics. Carry on.
posted by soyjoy at 1:42 PM on June 22, 2004


No, I just think nofundy was way out of line and rather than wrestle in the mud with him, I think he deserves a call-out for his little tantrum.
posted by jonmc at 1:46 PM on June 22, 2004


jesus christ, jon...
posted by matteo at 1:49 PM on June 22, 2004


Eh?
posted by DrJohnEvans at 1:54 PM on June 22, 2004


Please. Don't play dumb. People have been called out for a lot less. And nofundy's been polluting this place for years with his badly written infantile rhetoric for years, which does a disservice to sane liberals (like myself) by making us all look like paranoid fanatics. I get a zinger off at him and he loses his mind threatens to fuck my horse and claims I have no right to my opinion.

What's the shock?
posted by jonmc at 1:57 PM on June 22, 2004


What's the shock?

that you have a horse. who knew?!
posted by Stynxno at 1:59 PM on June 22, 2004


What do I have to do to get a callout? I want to be that edgy. Use more obscenities? I can try that.

threatens to fuck my horse

That might not be a threat. Ask the horse if s/he's cool with it and post the photos.
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:00 PM on June 22, 2004


I kinda think that the boring nature of the attack is punishment enough in the eyes of many, but I have no problem with the fundamentalist nofundy being called out for his fundamentally unsound attacks!
posted by The God Complex at 2:01 PM on June 22, 2004


I see that I must continue with my pointless MeTalk posts, because some of you clearly are not getting it. ;-P
posted by mischief at 2:15 PM on June 22, 2004


Ask the horse if s/he's cool with it and post the photos.

I just deleted some horse-sex-related spam you would have found quite interesting, then
posted by matteo at 2:15 PM on June 22, 2004


Your horse had better not drop the soap
posted by dodgygeezer at 2:16 PM on June 22, 2004


Jon, does your landlord know you have a horse?

Horses, especially pimped-out rides, can be leasebreakers unless you have a proper provision for same in the lease itself.

Just looking out for you here, buddy.


And nofundy must have some long-ass legs to be able to fuck a high horse. Or maybe a stepladder is involved. Either way, I'm impressed.
posted by chicobangs at 2:20 PM on June 22, 2004


It's a stupid, ineffective and infantile attack, but I can see why he got mad; Jon wandered back into the thread for the sole purpose (it seems) of "zing-ing" nofundy and assuming a regal "voice of metafilter" pose.

if you can pose as a voice, that is.

which you can't.

so - uh, where does that leave us?
posted by Marquis at 2:29 PM on June 22, 2004


This just in: nofundy is a total nutjob!

Next week expect the following stories:

M- quonsar, it is believed, sometimes posts under the influence!
T- Keyser Soze may lack judgment!
W- Seth allegedly dislikes NewsFilter!
R- WolfDaddy and/or amberglow rumored to be GAY!
F- Ethereal Bligh seen making lengthy post!
posted by trharlan at 2:34 PM on June 22, 2004


I figured he was kinda joking, since he mentioned fucking your horse. Just kinda, though.
posted by MrMoonPie at 2:37 PM on June 22, 2004


People should stop with the "fuck you" shit already. I'm tired of it, and the horse-fucking, and if I have to pull this car over you're going to GET something to cry about, you hear me back there?!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:49 PM on June 22, 2004


Yeah I see it as 'jonmc comes in, takes shot at nofundy, then acts all shocked that nofundy replied with a bad word.'

Why did I click on this link again? To see how great a guy jonmc is for not replying again, but instead coming to metatalk to show off how civil he is?
posted by Space Coyote at 2:50 PM on June 22, 2004


Everyone's focusing on the horse-fucking. What I want to know is why jonmc has soooo little right to diss ANYONE. Doesn't he have the same rights as the rest of us? In fact, as the possessor of a rare two-digit username number, isn't he fucking allowed to diss whomever he wants?

And shouldn't it be "dis"?
posted by timeistight at 3:00 PM on June 22, 2004


I would just like to express my gratitude to nofundy for not asking jonmc to grab nofundy's penis with his strong farmboy hands. Assuming nofundy has a penis. And jonmc has strong farmboy hands. Perhaps he has soft equestrian hands.

Anyway, about the horse. Purple? Long, white flowing mane? Spiral horn jutting out of forehead? hmmm. OK, I'd hit it.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 3:07 PM on June 22, 2004


And shouldn't it be "dis"?

Actually, if you ever worked on a Burroughs minicomputer circa 1976, it would be "ds".
posted by WolfDaddy at 3:21 PM on June 22, 2004


The thing is that Nofundy is into the animals. He thinks Jon is a horse, and thus wants to fuck him. He also thinks Jon's girlfriend is the horse he rode in on, and so wants her as well. Every horse in the world is not enough for fundy.

As for the last part, horses have no right to diss. They are property (or lovers if you are a twisty).

Nofundy will not show up in MeTa, as he is probably hanging out by the stables, or doodling the word "Horses" in a spiral notebook.

The end. Thank you for your time.
posted by thirteen at 3:24 PM on June 22, 2004


Everybody has a schtick, and this has been nofundy's for quite some time. I'm rather surprised to to find nofundy in favor of equestrian lust, but nobody can really claim surprise that this little spat happened.

jonmc, I think you're right for calling this out, but I also think you kinda started it with that pay-phone wise-crack. Paranoid fanaticism is his schtick and his belief, and seriously, is this any different from calling out PP for almost everything he types? If'n I was you, I'd calmy ask as to why you don't have the same commenting rights as the rest of us, and bat your pretty eyelashes while doin' it.

And for the record, if you're gonna call someone out in MeTa, its only polite and proper to let them know they've been targeted, don't you think?
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:32 PM on June 22, 2004


Nofundy accusing someone of being up on a high horse. I'm going through irony meters like crazy this week.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 3:40 PM on June 22, 2004


I have to admire anyone who can inspire that kind of passion in a thread about Connecticut state politics. " 'Fuck' said on Metafilter; not many dead."
posted by coelecanth at 4:01 PM on June 22, 2004


Or you could just ignore personal attacks.

Sheesh.
posted by xmutex at 4:16 PM on June 22, 2004


If this were one of those really cool-looking? and kickass? UBB forums or something? you know, where everybody's really cool and funny? we could have animated gifs as avatars and everything? and then, like, you know, when somebody calls you a horsefucker, you could pay like 5 dollars? and change their avatar to a picture of Hitler fucking a donkey? and you get all popular because it was totally funny? That'd be so cool.

[/teenager]
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:25 PM on June 22, 2004


Paranoid fanaticism is his schtick and his belief, and seriously, is this any different from calling out PP for almost everything he types?

That's kind of what I'm getting at. PP has been rightly pilloried numerous times for his bullshit.

There are plenty of people who I've had heated political arguments with (like skallas, jpoulous, and even foldy) but they back up their arguments with facts and links. nofundy basically spouts cliched rhetoric, much like PP. My zinger was meant to highlight this and caused him to lose his shit.

I brought him into MeTa not so much to see him punished or censured but just to show off his buffoonery.
posted by jonmc at 4:58 PM on June 22, 2004


T- Keyser Soze may lack judgment!

Don't make me come over there and fuck your horse.
posted by Keyser Soze at 5:06 PM on June 22, 2004


I'd add that when someone is reduced to ineffectively shouting 'fuck you!' in the course of a dispute, it makes them look like the doofus, rather than the target of their ire. Not that I haven't done it a few times myself, of course, but I knew how stupid and inarticulate it made me look. After the fact, at least.

Whatever Jon's reason for posting the thread might be, I think that pointing and laughing at nofundy is called for, in that it might restrain others from such unproductive, uncivil and plain dumb outbursts in the future. I always like to think we the few, the proud and the snarky are above stuff like that.

I know, I'm a dreamer.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:11 PM on June 22, 2004


R- WolfDaddy and/or amberglow rumored to be GAY!

R? rumoured? and/or?
Don't make me come over there and fuck your other horse (you know, the gay one). ; >
posted by amberglow at 5:12 PM on June 22, 2004


For the record: I'm not gay.

But the horse I like to fuck? Now he's gay.
posted by chicobangs at 5:22 PM on June 22, 2004


Remind me never to take any of you guys out to Aqueduct, by the way.
posted by jonmc at 5:24 PM on June 22, 2004


mmm...Aqueduct
posted by amberglow at 5:25 PM on June 22, 2004


gives playing the ponies a whole new meaning, huh?
posted by amberglow at 5:26 PM on June 22, 2004


yes, and I'm told that pimps have quite a stable to satisfy you, but enough horsing around....
posted by jonmc at 5:29 PM on June 22, 2004


geez, doesn't anyone just eat horse anymore.
posted by clavdivs at 5:30 PM on June 22, 2004


Okey doke guys, the summer of 1976

from left:
Fernando (matteo), jonmc, clav, stavs.

background: amberglow
posted by clavdivs at 5:34 PM on June 22, 2004


clav, of course was the photographer.
posted by jonmc at 5:35 PM on June 22, 2004


No, I just think nofundy was way out of line

He was.

And so were you.

Methinks people shouldn't attempt to display the buffoonery of others while their own buffoon is dangling out so prominently....
posted by rushmc at 5:36 PM on June 22, 2004


I've got a solution: from here on out, everytime nofundy posts we can all making neighing sounds, the simulate orgasm.

It'll be fun.

On preview: making fun of a posters well-known tendencies (especially when it's screwing up a perfectly good thread) is long way from telling someone to fuck themselves and that they have no right to their opinion. And his reaction tells me that I struck a nerve.
posted by jonmc at 5:39 PM on June 22, 2004


I have to agree that nofundy's humorless nature and simple-minded idea of debate should be their own punishment, and that jonmc didn't really need to start another MetaTalk thread about him. BUT! That having been said, this thread is teh funny! and justifies its own existence. That and pushing quonsar's blort further down the page. So thanks, jonmc, and don't spare the horses.
posted by languagehat at 5:48 PM on June 22, 2004


Anyway, about the horse. Purple? Long, white flowing mane? Spiral horn jutting out of forehead? hmmm. OK, I'd hit it.

Comment of the day to a suitably reformed SSF!
posted by dash_slot- at 5:56 PM on June 22, 2004


As I was driving to work the other day, the radio station I listen to was polling people on which animal they thought would be the best to have sex with. Men overwhelmingly voted for collies and afghans (the silky, long hair) and women, for dolphins, which are supposedly very well-endowed. I had no idea that the information would come in handy so soon, though.
posted by iconomy at 6:05 PM on June 22, 2004


geez, someone here is waay too emotional and invested in this site for his own self-esteem. That's the real problem, jonmc has always played up the 'personal' card and I think that's his failing and not the sites.

If you're that sensitive please dont walk into threads and just pick on someone. They will retaliate.
posted by skallas at 6:08 PM on June 22, 2004


Wait, wait, let me get this now: Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, we get a new MeTa thread?

No wonder the server's been so slow recently.
posted by Johnny Assay at 6:11 PM on June 22, 2004


women, for dolphins, which are supposedly very well-endowed....

This fella (NSFW, especially if you work as a marine biologist) might make them reconsider.

On preview: I was attacking his argument style, which is fair game.
posted by jonmc at 6:11 PM on June 22, 2004


jonmc has always played up the 'personal' card

Well thank God we got an objective voice in here.
posted by yerfatma at 6:32 PM on June 22, 2004


Eh.

Again it's not about "my feelings getting hurt." I could honectly care less what nofundy thinks of me. But I do care about the quality of this site and the discourse therein.

Nofundy walked into a fairly civil thread, spewed some vague general anti-GOP rhetoric that didn't link to anything or provide backup for his opinions. I called him on it, and used some humor and he goes ballistic. So who's being sensitive?

And skallas, when I mentioned your name above I was using you as a counterexample, even when I disagree with you you use facts links and logic to make your case, and you added advantage being able to construct coherent sentences and paragraphs.
posted by jonmc at 6:38 PM on June 22, 2004


missing conjuctions in that last sentence about coherency. oh, the irony.
posted by jonmc at 6:39 PM on June 22, 2004


jonmc: It's perfectly safe for work, unless your employer doesn't want you looking at whale sharks with bits of intestine hanging out (snopes to the rescue).
posted by fvw at 6:57 PM on June 22, 2004


...doesn't want you looking at whale sharks with bits of intestine hanging out (snopes to the rescue).
damn, you beat me to it!
posted by bob sarabia at 7:08 PM on June 22, 2004


My horse and I resent the hell out of the title of this post.
posted by LittleMissCranky at 8:30 PM on June 22, 2004


As to that Snopes page, I don't know if it's completely dispassionate and objective - look at how it's signed.

I'm just sayin'.
posted by soyjoy at 8:59 PM on June 22, 2004


I can't believe that, apparently, many people would rather fuck a horse than a man that's hung like one. Talk about conflicted.
posted by WolfDaddy at 9:01 PM on June 22, 2004


making fun of a posters well-known tendencies (especially when it's screwing up a perfectly good thread) is long way from telling someone to fuck themselves and that they have no right to their opinion. And his reaction tells me that I struck a nerve.
posted by jonmc


Are you sure about that jon? Isn't the act of making fun of him a sort of "fuck you"? Especially when you've gone on record as not really caring for the poster and the way he says his opinions? I'm pretty sure that your comment and callout is very much a "fuck you", just not in so many (few?) words.

That said, your comment did get a laugh out of me.

/DevilsAdvocate

Wouldn't horses be really roomy?
posted by ashbury at 9:09 PM on June 22, 2004


For you, maybe.
posted by soyjoy at 9:51 PM on June 22, 2004


Silence: oft misinterprted; never misquoted.

The horses have it nailed in this respect.
posted by nthdegx at 1:10 AM on June 23, 2004


So can we look in the mouths of these horses?
posted by Dagobert at 1:26 AM on June 23, 2004


It is obvious that Matt must, NEVER, grant Fundy a Pony.
posted by thirteen at 6:36 AM on June 23, 2004


Soyjoy wins.
posted by tr33hggr at 7:04 AM on June 23, 2004


"Mommy, nofundy hit me back!"
posted by callmejay at 7:15 AM on June 23, 2004


I like the policy on Sportsfilter that personal and etiquette should be discussed via email only. I know the site is a whole different entity, but seems like that would be usefull for the blue/grey.
posted by corpse at 8:09 AM on June 23, 2004


I'm feeling cranky. I woke up with an upset stomach and then I went into my studio to find that my cat had taken a big liquidy dump in the middle of the floor. I wiped up as much as I could and took the lid off the febreze and just poured it over the spot but it still smells really bad in here. DAAAH!
posted by mcsweetie at 8:30 AM on June 23, 2004


skallas: "That's the real problem, jonmc has always played up the 'personal' card and I think that's his failing and not the sites."

Good point, skallas. On a totally unreleated topic, has anyone seen insomnyuk lately?
posted by pardonyou? at 9:24 AM on June 23, 2004


damn, that sucks mcsweetie.

you know what you have to do right?

go take a big dump in your cat's favorite sleeping spot.












(i'm kidding)
posted by Stynxno at 10:20 AM on June 23, 2004


On a totally unreleated topic, has anyone seen insomnyuk lately?

BURN! </kelso>
posted by WolfDaddy at 10:48 AM on June 23, 2004


you know what you have to do right?

go take a big dump in your cat's favorite sleeping spot.


and then make sure to create an askme thread about it. you know, instead of calling the vet.
posted by t r a c y at 3:07 PM on June 23, 2004


jonmc - I know you eat deep fried Mars bars.

"Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, we get a new MeTa thread?....." (soyjoy)

That depends on the intensity of the passions involved.

All one can say about that is :
The opposite of both Hatred and Love is Indifference.

In a similar equation, existence is bipolar.

In opposition to both Good and Evil is Annoyance.
posted by troutfishing at 8:55 PM on June 23, 2004


Don't mind me, I'm just noting a few of the many classic comments for future reference. Wotta great fiasco!

Ah's glad ah rides a alligator.
posted by jfuller at 3:56 PM PST on June 22

~~~
threatens to fuck my horse

That might not be a threat. Ask the horse if s/he's cool with it and post the photos.
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:00 PM PST on June 22

~~~
Next week expect the following stories:

M- quonsar, it is believed, sometimes posts under the influence!
T- Keyser Soze may lack judgment!
W- Seth allegedly dislikes NewsFilter!
R- WolfDaddy and/or amberglow rumored to be GAY!
F- Ethereal Bligh seen making lengthy post!
posted by trharlan at 2:34 PM PST on June 22


(Note to self: add
S- jonmc pisses someone off!
...to the list.)
~~~
People should stop with the "fuck you" shit already. I'm tired of it, and the horse-fucking, and if I have to pull this car over you're going to GET something to cry about, you hear me back there?!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:49 PM PST on June 22


(Note to self: Stop with the fuck yous, go back to calling people asshats.
~~~
"Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, we get a new MeTa thread?....." (soyjoy)

Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, a little meta-faerie loses its wings.
posted by Shane at 6:31 AM on June 24, 2004


But I do care about the quality of this site and the discourse therein.

Hint: Making fun of people you don't like/don't agree with doesn't improve the quality of either. Quite the contrary.
posted by rushmc at 8:51 AM on June 24, 2004


Well, rush, people engage in verbal thrust & parry around here a lot, and humor and jabs at quirks are relatively common. Mine was relatively harmless and meant to be somewhat instructive.

nofundy's response revealed an inability to discourse beyond facile sloganeering and a complete lack of a sense of humor. And was far more antithetical to the site's purpose by implying (saying flat-out actually) that I had no right to my opinion.
posted by jonmc at 9:00 AM on June 24, 2004


Each and every time one MeFi member says "fuck you" to another, a little meta-faerie loses its wings.

So that's what happened to them...i've been looking all over--it's Pride week ya know.
posted by amberglow at 9:08 AM on June 24, 2004


is that as good as fleet week ?
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:38 AM on June 24, 2004


I dunno sarge, but I imagine there's a lot of crossover.
posted by jonmc at 10:55 AM on June 24, 2004


Well, rush, people engage in verbal thrust & parry around here a lot, and humor and jabs at quirks are relatively common. Mine was relatively harmless and meant to be somewhat instructive.

Oh, enough with the "I didn't do anything why am I being persecuted?" disingenuity. You went after nofundy without even addressing the topic at hand, and he reacted in the way that you should have expected, had you been paying attention. Either that, or you've been paying attention, and you provoked him so that you could call him out here. Your hands aren't all that clean here, and the fact that someone else's hands are dirtier isn't a great reason for MeTa whinging.
posted by anapestic at 12:12 PM on June 24, 2004


Mine was relatively harmless

I get that you believe that. Some of us disagree. I think you should think about what you said and just accept that it wasn't accepted as a friendly poke in the ribs and that one needn't be excessively sensitive to find it aggressive, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

...and then let it go, cuz it ain't worth kicking up any more dust over.
posted by rushmc at 5:23 PM on June 24, 2004


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