Trolling AskMe August 21, 2004 4:42 PM   Subscribe

Trolling Ask Metafilter is not very useful.
posted by cmonkey to Etiquette/Policy at 4:42 PM (63 comments total)

Agree. Both "questions" should be deleted.

[Insert rants about fascistic deletions from the usual suspects.]
posted by languagehat at 5:12 PM on August 21, 2004


I have mixed feelings about the AskMe trolls; they seem to have taken attention away from my "sourdough bread" question, but at least nobody's posting answers saying how stupid my question is.

But is it abortive for a contrarian to vegetate?
posted by wendell at 5:17 PM on August 21, 2004


And is it unusually suspect to delete fascistic rants?
posted by wendell at 5:18 PM on August 21, 2004


thats what happens when you leave a potato in the microwave.
posted by bob sarabia at 5:18 PM on August 21, 2004


You guys sure are paranoid. Not everything has to do with you, you know.

Seriously. You're like those 'rebel' kids who think that their parents get a minivan just to make their lives that little bit worse.
posted by Jairus at 5:29 PM on August 21, 2004


I think the vegan abortion question is a good one. I'd never considered the implications before. But then, most of my brain cells were killed in the great alcohol flood of '03.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:36 PM on August 21, 2004


I'll take it one step further; trolling Metafilter, Metatalk and Ask Metafilter isn't very helpful.
posted by Quartermass at 5:51 PM on August 21, 2004


Good god.

I hate the pedantry and pettiness we have going on these last few months. If it isn't some idiot whinging on about some petty pissant little thing that grates him and only him, it's some fucktard trolling the blue or the green or the gray.

Come on, people. We're trying to have a community here.
posted by five fresh fish at 5:55 PM on August 21, 2004


isn't that what happens in communities, fff? think of them as that old man with rope for a belt that lives in the doorway by the liquor store, muttering and cursing everyone else.
posted by amberglow at 6:00 PM on August 21, 2004


How are you doing?
posted by Pretty_Generic at 6:09 PM on August 21, 2004


that old man is right, you know, amberglow.
posted by quonsar at 6:10 PM on August 21, 2004


think of them as that old man with rope for a belt that lives in the doorway by the liquor store, muttering and cursing everyone else.

That's how I think of fff, only naked - so it's funny.
posted by eyeballkid at 6:11 PM on August 21, 2004


Perhaps a warning is in order on the question-posting page of AskMe, like the warning that is currently there on the answer posting page that reminds us that snarky comments aren't helpful. I know that many times, I've been tempted to post a a really fine, snarky comment in reply to an AskMe question, and been bought up short by that notice. Something to the effect that "Think before you post. Is this a troll? Could it be mistaken for a troll?"
posted by Faze at 6:23 PM on August 21, 2004


I know q. (you're that old man for me) : >
posted by amberglow at 6:29 PM on August 21, 2004



Pack your bags.
posted by wendell at 6:42 PM on August 21, 2004


Yes, please, delete a legitimate question - it may offend subtle sensibilities that have taken so long to engender.
posted by the fire you left me at 6:58 PM on August 21, 2004


i don't think you were trolling, fire, but that jairus q was totally weird and shouldn't have been there.
posted by amberglow at 7:01 PM on August 21, 2004


Sorry fire, sometimes a question is a bit too goofy to keep around. Jairus' was just a dumb stunt. I removed the "anyone want to have a drink with me" because it's almost a craigslist missed connections forum.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:23 PM on August 21, 2004


aww, that guys going to be lonely now, and its all mathowies fault.
posted by bob sarabia at 7:51 PM on August 21, 2004


If the abortion question was asked with "I am confused about the ethical stance on abortion," yada yada yada, I'd have believed it was more than a snotty troll attempt.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:57 PM on August 21, 2004


I dislike posts that are thinly-veiled attacks on the community masking as a generic question. It smacks of cowardice.

PS: Jairus, I'm not talking about such posts in general. Nothing to do with you. ;)
posted by vacapinta at 8:03 PM on August 21, 2004


you're not talking about posts in general? ; >
posted by amberglow at 8:09 PM on August 21, 2004


"vegan abortion?"

Can someone fill me in on what that was? Curious.
posted by scarabic at 8:09 PM on August 21, 2004


He asked, simply, "can vegans have abortions?" Because, you know, he thought it was clever. There was no explanation and no additional contributions to the thread. Just that.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:14 PM on August 21, 2004


From the user who made the FPP, I mean.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:19 PM on August 21, 2004


You're like those 'rebel' kids who think that their parents get a minivan just to make their lives that little bit worse.

But what if it happens to be TRUE? Jeebus, a 1975 box-like YELLOW van. My 9 y/o psyche was crushed. And wouldja believe they rubbed salt in the wound two years later, when my father bought - I kid you not - an AMC Pacer, and my mother was driving a Gremlin.

It's a miracle I survived to adulthood.
posted by davidmsc at 8:21 PM on August 21, 2004


No lofi/askmefi? : (

I saw both posts, but to prevent future "wha?".
posted by Feisty at 8:32 PM on August 21, 2004


Ha, when I was a kid I thought Gremlins were the coolest cars. Especially if they had the gremlin on the hood or the top, LOL, like my Hotwheels Gremlin. Check out this obsessed fan, and note classic adverts like "If you can afford a car, you can afford two Gremlins." Note also the 1973 Gremlin with Levis interior. That's right, Levis-covered door panels and seats -- how '70s can you get? 2,000 bucks back in the day, haha.
posted by Shane at 8:41 PM on August 21, 2004


amberglow: that's what happens in dysfunctional communities, yes. I was hoping we could kind of maintain a utopian sort of atmosphere around here.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:15 PM on August 21, 2004


My mom had a Pacer. I still think it was way cool.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:23 PM on August 21, 2004


How is asking if vegans can have abortions a troll or a stunt? Because it hints that the questioner may believe that there are inconsistencies in ethical veganism? It's no more a troll than asking what Catholics with a gluten allergy do for communion represents some kind of anti-Catholic bigotry.
posted by transona5 at 9:33 PM on August 21, 2004


Utopian isn't possible to have anywhere, fff--that's why it's utopian (all communities are dysfunctional in one way or another, like families).

And i'm with you transona--i thought it was asked in good faith.

and--my mom had a Torino, and thus, no embarrassment : P
posted by amberglow at 9:39 PM on August 21, 2004


Try to stay on topic, transona. We're talking about cars here. Geez.
posted by Shane at 9:51 PM on August 21, 2004


Pacers were cool-- very futuristic at the time, and like the bubble cars in that Woody Allen movie.
posted by amberglow at 9:55 PM on August 21, 2004


and we really should bring back "kicky" (from Shane's Gremlin ad).
"I belong to Metafilter--it's a really kicky place"
posted by amberglow at 10:01 PM on August 21, 2004


It's no more a troll than asking what Catholics with a gluten allergy do for communion represents some kind of
anti-Catholic bigotry.


I totally agree with the premise, excpet for half of AskMeFi is the asking of the question. No offense against fire but I don't recall his question as being well stated. It would have been more reasonable to state why a vegan abortion would be at morally defunct.
posted by jmd82 at 10:38 PM on August 21, 2004


You're like those 'rebel' kids who think that their parents get a minivan just to make their lives that little bit worse.

But I don't want to Turtlewax the van! [/Azrael Abyss, Prince of Sorrow]
posted by scody at 10:45 PM on August 21, 2004


Just out of curiosity, why is it that when an AskMe thread is deleted, it's gone for all time, but when a MeFi thread is deleted, it simply is removed from the main page & archives and has a nice reason attached?
posted by armage at 5:31 AM on August 22, 2004


What was the second question, for those of us coming in late?


(also, I don't understand the vegan question at all.)
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:47 AM on August 22, 2004


I second bringing back kicky, and nominate bringing back snazzy as well.
posted by iconomy at 6:28 AM on August 22, 2004


And keen.
posted by CunningLinguist at 6:29 AM on August 22, 2004


It's so spiffy, it's ace! It's nifty enough to be boffo!
It's the bee's knees in the cat's pyjamas, man! Truly a punk time!
posted by Smart Dalek at 7:52 AM on August 22, 2004


Okay, but let's just leave "swell" at home - it reminds of a lymphatic disorder or something.

Regarding the questions in question, I wouldn't have really minded either of them, if they had been more straightforward.
posted by taz at 8:38 AM on August 22, 2004


Pissing and moaning about this stuff doesn't help. Either answer the fucking question in good faith, or skip it. If you think it's a troll, fine, then you're doing your part by not feeding it.

Just because quonsar gets away with leaving his turds in Ask doesn't mean the whole lot of you should follow his example.
posted by majick at 9:41 AM on August 22, 2004


Q-turds are kind of like rabbit raisins: small, dry, easy to sweep up. Some specific others leave voluminous liqui-shits that flood over a thread, sinking everyone up to their neck in a sloppy, festering, cesspool of troll.

If only we could toilet train them.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:52 AM on August 22, 2004


Kicky is the type of word used in second-tier fashion magazines like Mademoiselle: The NEW fall skirt is oh so kicky and just a bit flirty!

I say bring back "Boss"-- the cool kids' version of "Groovey."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 10:26 AM on August 22, 2004


That's supposed to be "Groovy", Gravy, not "Groovey". Here in L.A., where "Boss Radio" was born in the '60s, the KHJ DJ's hosted two TV dance shows: "Boss City" and "Groovy" (exact spelling), and nobody questions The Real Don Steele (exact spelling).

As for "kicky", it reminds me too much of the otherwise-forgotten Petula Clark wannabe who sang the obviously-not-very-romantic duet with Elton John "Don't Go Breaking My Heart". Let's not revive "kicky".

"Boffo" is the title character of a very lame newspaper comic, and "keen" just reminds me of Keanu Reeves or Keenen Ivory Wayans, sometimes both at once, which really hurts my head.

I'm good with "snazzy" and "spiffy", although they don't quite feel right unless you say them while striking that pose where you're poiting with both hands. "Nifty" is a good term for describing something like when Pat Boone went Heavy Metal.

But taz, I'm disappointed you have come out as Anti-Swell, considering one MeFite's longtime connection to One Swell Foop.
posted by wendell at 11:43 AM on August 22, 2004


And I just realized that "pose" I referred to has now been christened a Lynndie.

Sigh.
posted by wendell at 12:51 PM on August 22, 2004


you're still a kicky guy in my book, wendell : >

the lynndie pose on the other hand--definitely not kicky.
posted by amberglow at 12:55 PM on August 22, 2004


You're comparing me to Kiki Dee?

Them's fighting words, amberfrey.
posted by wendell at 5:20 PM on August 22, 2004


You're comparing me to Kiki Dee?
I couldn't if I tried.
Honey if I get restless,
Baby you're not that kind....
ooooh, ooooh! ; >
posted by amberglow at 5:41 PM on August 22, 2004


ALERT! ALERT!
Virulent Earworm Released on MetaTalk!
Must take drastic measures...
We been spending most our lives
Living in an Amish paradise
I've churned butter once or twice
Living in an Amish paradise
It's hard work and sacrifice
Living in an Amish paradise
We sell quilts at a discount price
Living in an Amish paradise

posted by wendell at 6:19 PM on August 22, 2004


aw, wendell

we had joy,
we had fun,
we had seasons in the sun
posted by amberglow at 7:00 PM on August 22, 2004


But....but.....what about "sassy"? (as said by Phil Hartman)
posted by thatothrgirl at 12:38 PM on August 23, 2004


Gremlins will always hold a special place in my heart being the first car I drove whose quirky handling characteristics almost killed me.
posted by Mitheral at 1:00 PM on August 23, 2004


"Gremlins" will always hold a special place in my heart being the first movie I saw whose quirky handling characteristics almost killed me.

Sassy's good.

As for you, amberdextrous, don't make me go all "PiƱa Colada Song" on your ass... (Have I ever told you about the song Rupert Holmes wrote to the tune of "the Star Spangled Banner"? I explain it in here, halfway down the page.)

Now, where was I? Oh, yeah... "Far out!"
posted by wendell at 1:39 PM on August 23, 2004


ginchy! fantabulous! sas-sy!

wendell: (you win with that craptacular Rupert Holmes stuff, but....)
My name is Michael,
I got a nickel,
I got a nickel shiny and new,
I'm gonna buy me,
all kinds of candy,
that's what i'm gonna do. ; >
posted by amberglow at 3:26 PM on August 23, 2004


Clint Holmes vs. Rupert Holmes?

Time to bring out THE BIG GUNS.

You ask me if I love you
And I choke on my reply
I'd rather hurt you honestly
Than mislead you with a lie
For who am I to judge you
In what you say or do
I'm only just beginning
To see the real you
And sometimes when we touch
The honesty's too much
And I have to close my eyes
And hide
I wanna hold you till I die
Till we both break down and cry
I wanna hold you till the fear in me subsides
Romance's honest strategy
Leaves me grappling with my pride
But through the years of maturity
Some tenderness survives
I'm just another writer
Still trapped within my truth
A hesitant prize-fighter
Still trapped within my youth
At times I'd like to break you
And drive you to your knees
At times I'd like to break through
And hold you endlessly
At times I understand you
And I know how hard you try
I've watched whil love commands you
And I've watched love pass you by
At times I think we're drifters
Still searching for a friend
A brother or a sister
But then the passion flares again....
And sometimes when we touch
The honesty's too much
And I have to close my eyes
And hide
I wanna hold you till I die
Till we both break down and cry

(cue the Gecko...)
posted by wendell at 5:23 PM on August 23, 2004


aw, i like that song.

and for you:
Don't give up on us, Baby
We're still worth one more try
I know we put a last one by
Just for a rainy evening
When maybe stars are few
Don't give up on us, I know
We can still come through
posted by amberglow at 7:12 PM on August 23, 2004


Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
trying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
trying to forget my feelings of love.
Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it.
I wish I've never met you, girl; you'll never come again.
Feelings, wo-wo-wo feelings,
wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms.
Feelings, feelings like I've never lost you
and feelings like I've never have you again in my heart.
Feelings, wo-wo-wo feelings, wo-wo-wo, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings, wo-wo-wo feelings, wo-wo-wo, feelings...

Top that, ambergrease...
posted by wendell at 7:31 PM on August 23, 2004


easy!

You know I can't smile without you
I can't smile without you
I can't laugh and I can't sing
I'm finding it hard to do anything.
You see I feel sad when you're sad,
I feel glad when you're glad ,
if you only knew what I'm going through ,
I just can't smile without you.

You came along, just like a song,
and brightened my day.
who would've believed that you were part of a dream,
now it all seems, light years away
posted by amberglow at 8:55 PM on August 23, 2004


did i win? did barry manilow make your head explode?
posted by amberglow at 3:59 PM on August 24, 2004


I think ASCAP and BMI won, myself.


Considering that the thread fell off the page before I could see your Manilow, let me just say:

I made it through the rain
I kept my world protected
I made it throught the rain
I kept my point of view
I made it through the rain
And found myself respected
By the others who
Got rained on too
And made it through

Worst.
Manilow.
Lyric.
Ever.
posted by wendell at 4:22 PM on August 24, 2004


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