That was a bad post. November 10, 2004 5:46 AM Subscribe
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/36862 is nothing but pure hate speech. And uninteresting boring hate speech at that.
It's not hate speech, but it is awfully stupid and we can do better.
posted by Ryvar at 6:09 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by Ryvar at 6:09 AM on November 10, 2004
I thought "hate speech" was something those PC lib'ruls whined about.
posted by matteo at 6:18 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by matteo at 6:18 AM on November 10, 2004
Aww konolia you ruined the whack the post trifecta. Now people will know it's already been deleted twice.
posted by Mitheral at 6:27 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by Mitheral at 6:27 AM on November 10, 2004
no, XHUDISAHDIUAS, hate speech affects us all. you think that hating the people that hate you makes everything ok somehow? did your mummy not tell you that too wrongs don't make a right? or are double standards and hypocrisy somehow ok when they're from annoyed gay democrats?
posted by andrew cooke at 6:48 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by andrew cooke at 6:48 AM on November 10, 2004
Actually to many here it's not hate speech, it's like a mantra they repeat to reassure themselves: "Disenfranchised ruralites are the cause of all the worlds problems. They oppress wealthy educated coast dwellers. I realize this makes no sense, but if I say it often enough it will be come true."
Maybe Hazelden could write a book of them.
Not that I let those in flyover country off the hook, but please. Even a slightly more sophisticated analysis would reveal the situation to be more complex.
As a wiser man than me put it...
posted by jonmc at 6:57 AM on November 10, 2004
Maybe Hazelden could write a book of them.
Not that I let those in flyover country off the hook, but please. Even a slightly more sophisticated analysis would reveal the situation to be more complex.
As a wiser man than me put it...
posted by jonmc at 6:57 AM on November 10, 2004
What America really looks like politically:
There is probably a thesis there about how a bunch of bigots are willing to go to civil war over an image of the United States that is horribly bad design.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 7:21 AM on November 10, 2004
There is probably a thesis there about how a bunch of bigots are willing to go to civil war over an image of the United States that is horribly bad design.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 7:21 AM on November 10, 2004
You're all a bunch of republiphobics.
posted by PrinceValium at 7:25 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by PrinceValium at 7:25 AM on November 10, 2004
Spacecadet, your bunny has a monster wang.
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:50 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:50 AM on November 10, 2004
Would someone please explain to me why this (from this post) is not hate speech, but the Fuck the South article is?
Did I miss Netcraft's confirmation of the death of wit, humor, irony, sarcasm and satire? (Not that both articles have all elements, but I found it hard to take either one of the articles seriously.)
posted by sequential at 8:58 AM on November 10, 2004
Did I miss Netcraft's confirmation of the death of wit, humor, irony, sarcasm and satire? (Not that both articles have all elements, but I found it hard to take either one of the articles seriously.)
posted by sequential at 8:58 AM on November 10, 2004
Mayor Curley, I have a Dr. Rorschach on line three for you.
posted by chicobangs at 9:02 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by chicobangs at 9:02 AM on November 10, 2004
I thought "hate speech" was something those PC lib'ruls whined about.
Ironically, it is.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:07 AM on November 10, 2004
Ironically, it is.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:07 AM on November 10, 2004
Also, deleting this post clearly won't help. You need to kill the original vampire site for it to stop popping up here.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:08 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by Krrrlson at 9:08 AM on November 10, 2004
But Florida IS a monster wang.
DISCLAIMER: The above may be scatalogical, political and insulting, it is NOT Hate Speech, due to my status as a Licenced Professional Satirist.
posted by wendell at 9:12 AM on November 10, 2004
DISCLAIMER: The above may be scatalogical, political and insulting, it is NOT Hate Speech, due to my status as a Licenced Professional Satirist.
posted by wendell at 9:12 AM on November 10, 2004
Would it make everyone feel better if we said we don't hate Southerners, we just hate the South?
posted by turaho at 9:15 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by turaho at 9:15 AM on November 10, 2004
Spacecadet, your bunny has a monster wang.
Oh. So the carrot wasn't pointed at its ass, then. Never mind.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:38 AM on November 10, 2004
Oh. So the carrot wasn't pointed at its ass, then. Never mind.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:38 AM on November 10, 2004
If it was interesting and exciting rather than uninteresting and boring, would it be worth leaving up?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:39 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:39 AM on November 10, 2004
This post was deleted for the following reason: I just woke up.
*guffaws*
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:12 AM on November 10, 2004
*guffaws*
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:12 AM on November 10, 2004
The pointless thread, which garnered a pointless number of pointless posts, and which is being pointlessly complained about in this MeTa thread, has been pointfully deleted. Hooray. I wish I could roll out of bed at 10:00 in the morning--late night, mr. haughey? ;)
posted by dhoyt at 10:13 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by dhoyt at 10:13 AM on November 10, 2004
Hate speech: ...speech that expresses animosity on the basis of race, national origin, ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.
It was offensive, but much less so than that racially-coded "comfort women" garbage, and much less of a threat to do violence than that one too.
posted by amberglow at 10:29 AM on November 10, 2004
It was offensive, but much less so than that racially-coded "comfort women" garbage, and much less of a threat to do violence than that one too.
posted by amberglow at 10:29 AM on November 10, 2004
speech that expresses animosity on the basis ... national origin
Now I know the South isn't a "COUNTRY" in the strictest sense, but it is a collection of States. I think railing against the region at large qualifies as animosity on the basis of national origin. Especially when you're arguing that it should be a separate country.
posted by scarabic at 10:31 AM on November 10, 2004
Now I know the South isn't a "COUNTRY" in the strictest sense, but it is a collection of States. I think railing against the region at large qualifies as animosity on the basis of national origin. Especially when you're arguing that it should be a separate country.
posted by scarabic at 10:31 AM on November 10, 2004
I wish I could roll out of bed at 10:00 in the morning--late night, mr. haughey? ;)
That's how he keeps his blood pressure low.
posted by timeistight at 10:37 AM on November 10, 2004
That's how he keeps his blood pressure low.
posted by timeistight at 10:37 AM on November 10, 2004
dhoyt, you're a fine one to talk about pointlessness.
posted by adamgreenfield at 10:38 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by adamgreenfield at 10:38 AM on November 10, 2004
If it was interesting and exciting rather than uninteresting and boring, would it be worth leaving up?
Yes. Then we could all have great fun arguing about it.
posted by konolia at 10:53 AM on November 10, 2004
Yes. Then we could all have great fun arguing about it.
posted by konolia at 10:53 AM on November 10, 2004
If it's pointful at all, I am responsible for the double post, and I am from the South. However, I relocated to the bunny's ass. I sincerely apologize to all the idiots who were offended by this post.
posted by swift at 10:57 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by swift at 10:57 AM on November 10, 2004
I thought we were fucking Zell Miller.
posted by languagehat at 11:34 AM on November 10, 2004
posted by languagehat at 11:34 AM on November 10, 2004
I thought we were fucking Zell Miller.
not even with a dueling sword, or pistols at dawn.
posted by amberglow at 11:38 AM on November 10, 2004
not even with a dueling sword, or pistols at dawn.
posted by amberglow at 11:38 AM on November 10, 2004
swift, thanks for your apology. It's not that we hate you, it's that we hate your sins.
posted by rajbot at 12:03 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by rajbot at 12:03 PM on November 10, 2004
Now I know the South isn't a "COUNTRY" in the strictest sense, but it is a collection of States. I think railing against the region at large qualifies as animosity on the basis of national origin. Especially when you're arguing that it should be a separate country.
It's animosity against a person or people because of those things, not against a region. For example, I have a very healthy dislike (I'm not not going to say hate) of Israel because of its egregious human rights violations. I don't hate people who live in Israel out of hand, however. That said, if I had the opportunity to read an op-ed by someone who lives in Israel and blindly support their policy, there is a good chance I would strongly dislike the person. I do not, however, assume this about all people of Israel.
Then the question would be whether this link professed hatred for the south as a collective of states with a bankrupt ideology, or whether this link professed a hatred for all people who live in the south. Frankly, I have no idea because I started to read the link when quonsar posted it as a comment a few days ago, and I thought it was poorly written, boring, and not funny. It was a trashy attempt at being clever, like a poor version of some of the (already not that good) stuff that's been posted from craigslist before.
In the end, it deserved being deleted because it's stupid, and that's good enough for me.
posted by The God Complex at 12:24 PM on November 10, 2004
It's animosity against a person or people because of those things, not against a region. For example, I have a very healthy dislike (I'm not not going to say hate) of Israel because of its egregious human rights violations. I don't hate people who live in Israel out of hand, however. That said, if I had the opportunity to read an op-ed by someone who lives in Israel and blindly support their policy, there is a good chance I would strongly dislike the person. I do not, however, assume this about all people of Israel.
Then the question would be whether this link professed hatred for the south as a collective of states with a bankrupt ideology, or whether this link professed a hatred for all people who live in the south. Frankly, I have no idea because I started to read the link when quonsar posted it as a comment a few days ago, and I thought it was poorly written, boring, and not funny. It was a trashy attempt at being clever, like a poor version of some of the (already not that good) stuff that's been posted from craigslist before.
In the end, it deserved being deleted because it's stupid, and that's good enough for me.
posted by The God Complex at 12:24 PM on November 10, 2004
Fuck hate speech.
Fuckin' fuckity fucksticks! Also, the south.
And Zell Miller.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:00 PM on November 10, 2004
Fuckin' fuckity fucksticks! Also, the south.
And Zell Miller.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:00 PM on November 10, 2004
We're already fucked, thanks.
posted by FunkyHelix at 2:08 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by FunkyHelix at 2:08 PM on November 10, 2004
That isn't hate speech. Calling for a Final Solution to the Southern Problem would be hate speech. I admit to hating pretty much everything about the South (I did anyway, long before this election), but killing them all isn't the way to fix the problem. Better education, maybe?
posted by Captain_Tenille at 2:27 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by Captain_Tenille at 2:27 PM on November 10, 2004
Better than Duke, Wake Forest, UNC-Chapel Hill? NC State?
posted by konolia at 2:57 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by konolia at 2:57 PM on November 10, 2004
Speaking of simplistic & presumptuous commentary on the South, here's a gem:
I was lucky (!) enough to attend the concert in question with an old UVa professor who blanched when Joan went into the "Alice" routine. Charlottesville is quite a liberal town, but some of the facial expressions from even her most enthusiastic fans were priceless upon hearing the blackspeak. (Thought about posting this to the frontpage for a microsecond, then didn't for obvious reasons). Any other Charlottesvillians catch the show? Cred points: -10
posted by dhoyt at 3:17 PM on November 10, 2004
However, the most remarkable and disturbing episode occurred halfway through the [Joan Baez] concert when Joan stopped singing and announced that she had "multiple personalities." One of her multiple personalities is that of a fifteen year old poor black girl named Alice from Turkey Scratch, Arkansas.
I was lucky (!) enough to attend the concert in question with an old UVa professor who blanched when Joan went into the "Alice" routine. Charlottesville is quite a liberal town, but some of the facial expressions from even her most enthusiastic fans were priceless upon hearing the blackspeak. (Thought about posting this to the frontpage for a microsecond, then didn't for obvious reasons). Any other Charlottesvillians catch the show? Cred points: -10
posted by dhoyt at 3:17 PM on November 10, 2004
This thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that irony, is in fact, not dead at all.
Hehe, hate speech.
posted by SweetJesus at 3:21 PM on November 10, 2004
Hehe, hate speech.
posted by SweetJesus at 3:21 PM on November 10, 2004
I thought we were fucking Zell Miller.
DONNA PESCOW! Christ you people are single-minded.
posted by WolfDaddy at 3:31 PM on November 10, 2004
DONNA PESCOW! Christ you people are single-minded.
posted by WolfDaddy at 3:31 PM on November 10, 2004
Better than Duke, Wake Forest, UNC-Chapel Hill? NC State?
Not higher education. The south has notoriously low standards for elementary and highschools and real issues with poverty, particularly in rural areas (and among rural blacks).
posted by The God Complex at 3:40 PM on November 10, 2004
Not higher education. The south has notoriously low standards for elementary and highschools and real issues with poverty, particularly in rural areas (and among rural blacks).
posted by The God Complex at 3:40 PM on November 10, 2004
Rural blacks voted for Kerry, mostly. Hello ... hello hello. Echo! ... echo, echo.
posted by raysmj at 6:31 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by raysmj at 6:31 PM on November 10, 2004
swift, thanks for your apology. It's not that we hate you, it's that we fuck you.
posted by soyjoy at 8:25 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by soyjoy at 8:25 PM on November 10, 2004
dhoyt, she once had a beautiful voice and I still enjoy a few of her early albums but I never could bear Joan Baez after she started preaching--for forty years she has creeped me out. One of my friends once referred to her as ten pounds of sincerity in a five pound bag. I would add fifty pounds of narcissistic ego to that as well. Nothing about that story surprises me. I can't stand to hear her yammering. But then I can't stand Michael Moore either and I hate Air America. It's so awful and such a stupid idea. Hate radio is hate radio--why add to the abomination ?
posted by y2karl at 10:20 PM on November 10, 2004
posted by y2karl at 10:20 PM on November 10, 2004
Yeah, I've always had a strange affinity for her voice. I only attended as a social thing, knowing it would have some goofy moments being just after the election. The minstrel thing certainly isn't hatespeech or anything it's just.....I dunno. Silly with a capital S. I can't imagine a whiter woman trying to inhabit the soul of a Southern black girl. Karl, I wish I'd gotten it on video. The fifty pounds of narcissim is/was in full effect!
posted by dhoyt at 8:07 AM on November 11, 2004
posted by dhoyt at 8:07 AM on November 11, 2004
"multiple personalities."
Silly ''blackspeak'' aside, I found that part most depressing. If it's lame schtick, that's one thing--otherwise she's become another Roseanne. I suppose she'll become a Kabbalist next. Then an Oprahtic talk show on PBS: Today, Lilith talks menstrual sponges with Robin Williams and Meg Ryan.
posted by y2karl at 9:06 AM on November 11, 2004
Silly ''blackspeak'' aside, I found that part most depressing. If it's lame schtick, that's one thing--otherwise she's become another Roseanne. I suppose she'll become a Kabbalist next. Then an Oprahtic talk show on PBS: Today, Lilith talks menstrual sponges with Robin Williams and Meg Ryan.
posted by y2karl at 9:06 AM on November 11, 2004
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This post was deleted for the following reason: Fuck this post. Fuck it.
Matt will delete the post when he wakes up.
posted by Stynxno at 5:52 AM on November 10, 2004