Self-Link Callout January 4, 2005 1:06 PM   Subscribe

I know someone has posted a self-link as a FPP and hasn't identified it as such (he has also done it in comments). I think it is because he wants to keep his anonymity. I don't want to out him, but at the same time I think it isn't right to post a link to a site that is your own (esp. without disclosure). Should I just email him to let him know I know? Should I email Matt directly about it? Thoughts on how best to handle?
posted by evening to Etiquette/Policy at 1:06 PM (62 comments total)

Email Matt so he can oil up the ban-hammer.
posted by bshort at 1:08 PM on January 4, 2005


I would have emailed Matt before posting to MetaTalk about it.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 1:08 PM on January 4, 2005


Oh, my God. I just knew that rocket_skates was Fred Phelps!

(kidding)

Seriously, email Matt. That's just nasty. Self-link in comments is okay if it's relevant (like "If you want to see more pics of bunnies with pancakes on their heads, I've got 432 of them at my site here") but self-link FPPs are THE UNPARDONABLE SIN!
posted by Sidhedevil at 1:12 PM on January 4, 2005


sorry - wasn't sure what would be appropriate (went back and forth on it).

feel free to delete, then
posted by evening at 1:12 PM on January 4, 2005


Sidhedevil,

where can you find these...pancakes. I have this...uh...friend that likes bunnie pancakes




with LOTS of syrup
posted by Hands of Manos at 1:14 PM on January 4, 2005


I think you should tell us so we can mock mercilessly. It's what we do.

Also, someone who wants to keep their anonymity shouldn't post links to their own website. I'd suggest that's actually an attempt to garner traffic; it's certainly not a very safe way of remaining anonymouse, at any rate.
posted by The God Complex at 1:23 PM on January 4, 2005


anonymouse?

*vaporizes*
posted by The God Complex at 1:23 PM on January 4, 2005


TGC: Anonymouse?
posted by me3dia at 1:35 PM on January 4, 2005


No, fuck that!

Hand 'em over so we can LYNCH 'EM PROPER!!
posted by Jeremy at 1:39 PM on January 4, 2005


*sets up pitchforks-for-sale stand*
posted by dabitch at 1:40 PM on January 4, 2005


Agree's with TGC, drag them into the public square and mock them mercilessly and we can watch while eating pancakes with lots of syrup on them served up by tiny rabbits wearing cumberbunds.

on preview: see the natives are restless and the mob is gathering ;)
posted by squeak at 1:42 PM on January 4, 2005


I'll take three pitchforks, please.
posted by sciurus at 1:45 PM on January 4, 2005


*sets up Torches-R-Us stand immediately next to dabitch's pitchforks-for-sale stand*
posted by iconomy at 1:45 PM on January 4, 2005


Stockades. I'll make the stockades. I like woodwork.

"It's just my job..."
-various and sundry Nazi officers.
posted by Shane at 1:49 PM on January 4, 2005


Got any "war paint" or anything to create menacing tribal decorations with?
posted by Witty at 1:52 PM on January 4, 2005


I have a feeling there are a bunch of self-links lately... it's hard to track them down, but not that hard. Although it can be impossible.

I say, let us know what it is, so we aren't standing around like fools.
posted by chaz at 1:54 PM on January 4, 2005


We aren't standing around like fools, chaz, we're on the march! Let's go!!!

Hi iconomy! Two torches, please, and a gallon of kerosene.
posted by soyjoy at 2:02 PM on January 4, 2005


Blackmail. You should be able to get $5 out of him, anyway.
posted by pardonyou? at 2:14 PM on January 4, 2005


Is this yet another "guess-who-the-secret-poster-is-and-win-a-cookie" thread?
posted by chicobangs at 2:15 PM on January 4, 2005


Excuse me. Are you all the MetaFilter People's Front?
posted by terrapin at 2:17 PM on January 4, 2005


Splitters!
posted by Sidhedevil at 2:17 PM on January 4, 2005


*rematerializes*

*runs to the front of the lynch mob, gesturing wildly and ranting about the mercurial characteristics of this mysterious, unnamed interloper*
posted by The God Complex at 2:24 PM on January 4, 2005


I love the smell of a lynch mob in the morning!
posted by zpousman at 2:26 PM on January 4, 2005


The WWW was a lot more fun back in 1994 before all these bullshit rules came along.

I'm glad the "narc out your neighbor" spirit of East Germany is alive and well at MeFi.
posted by keswick at 2:29 PM on January 4, 2005


Oooh! Oooh! I know!!

I figured it out!!!

(Must... go... home... now. Things are too slow around here after "The Holidays.")
posted by Floydd at 2:37 PM on January 4, 2005


Call me an ignorant n00b, but what exactly is the problem with this if the content being posted is genuinely interesting?
posted by pookzilla at 2:38 PM on January 4, 2005


Fuck it keswick... WAKE THE FUCK UP man. This is fucking horseshit and we're ready to crack skulls. So either find a spot or get the hell out of the way before you get your ass stomped.

The night is black, without a moon.
The air thick and still.

The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torchlit hill.


p.s. Don't start pookzilla
posted by Witty at 2:39 PM on January 4, 2005


MetaFilter: Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
posted by Wolfdog at 2:44 PM on January 4, 2005


so about these bunny pancakes...
posted by Hands of Manos at 2:45 PM on January 4, 2005


Is quoting Rush songs bannable?
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:45 PM on January 4, 2005


I think it's a fair question. I accept that the behavior is more than a bit smarmy, but the best of the web is still the best of the web no matter its source, right?
posted by pookzilla at 2:46 PM on January 4, 2005


WTF? Why was my comment deleted while other offtopic ones were not? All I said was:
*sets up first-aid tent next to iconomy and dabitch*

How is that offensive?
posted by me3dia at 2:47 PM on January 4, 2005


EB... you know you wanna, Go on. Hook us up. 'Lil Passage To Bangkok maybe?
posted by Witty at 2:49 PM on January 4, 2005


I haven't gotten any email about this, btw.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:50 PM on January 4, 2005


Me3dia, I saw your post and two others and when I refreshed they were all gone.

Some hiccup or other...
posted by Jeremy at 2:55 PM on January 4, 2005


Maybe mathowie elbowed the delete key on accident...
posted by me3dia at 3:00 PM on January 4, 2005


what exactly is the problem with this if the content being posted is genuinely interesting?

Everyone thinks their own content is interesting. You wouldn't write about things (at least on your own time) you didn't find interesting, would you? The problem is that I'm not a good judge of whether something I wrote would be geniunely interesting to MeFites at large.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:14 PM on January 4, 2005


"EB... you know you wanna, Go on. Hook us up. 'Lil Passage To Bangkok1 maybe?"—Witty

I prefer the lyrics to YYZ and La Villa Strangiato. Really, those are two of my favorite songs evAr!2

Buenas Nochas, Mein Froinds!

1) So, what, you think I'm a stoner?
2) I'm not kidding. And I can play both of them, too. (I'm a drummer.)
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:19 PM on January 4, 2005


The problem is that I'm not a good judge of whether something I wrote would be geniunely interesting to MeFites at large.

Perhaps not, but consensus would determine that wouldn't it? If you post crap then people will complain no matter where the crap is hosted.

And for the record I think the content I come up with is the very definition of uninteresting so I'm not asking these questions for the sake of some hypothetical future post. :) It just doesn't seem that terrible an offense to me.
posted by pookzilla at 3:28 PM on January 4, 2005


I believe the offending post may be this one: LINK, about Kid Rock.

Both the site linked, and the poster's own site have something to do with patriotism, and are both hosted on the same machine with IP address: 69.10.137.75

The problem with self-linking is that even if you are linking to interesting content, you are (in this case at least) also sending people to an ad-supported site and thus making money off of the basically non-profit MeFi, which I think one of the reasons why self-linking is against the rules.

Furthermore, there are tons of mainstream news outlets reporting the story in perhaps greater depth.
posted by chaz at 3:35 PM on January 4, 2005


It's just the rule pookzilla. Resistance is futile.
posted by Witty at 3:35 PM on January 4, 2005


Rush and ST:TNG. Witty's going for the trifecta. Is quoting Torvalds next? (I keed.)
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:38 PM on January 4, 2005


Hey... Don't mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns.
posted by Witty at 3:43 PM on January 4, 2005


...also sending people to an ad-supported site and thus making money off of the basically non-profit MeFi...

Ok, I'll buy that. Sorry for the fuss. :)
posted by pookzilla at 3:46 PM on January 4, 2005


Inappropriate use of a self-link.
posted by sciurus at 3:47 PM on January 4, 2005


I hope not chaz, because I really liked nathanrudy when his name was nofundy.
posted by trharlan at 3:47 PM on January 4, 2005


Self-link. (Suck it, MeFi Stasi.)
posted by keswick at 4:06 PM on January 4, 2005


(I'm a drummer.)

Aha!
*makes six dozen drummer jokes, laughs maniacally after each*

So, evening, have you e-mailed Matt yet?
posted by languagehat at 4:46 PM on January 4, 2005


me3dia, I'll have a couple of aspirins and a roll of gauze please.
posted by dabitch at 5:02 PM on January 4, 2005


yes I emailed Matt, right after I posted my comment. [grr]

I just resent it, maybe it'll get through this time.
posted by evening at 5:07 PM on January 4, 2005


Actually, I can certify that nathan's not nofundy. I've known him for quite some time in the real world. In fact, I may have been the person who originally pointed him to metafilter.
posted by Karmakaze at 5:38 PM on January 4, 2005


fuck off. metafilter people's front. we're the people's front of metafilter. cawk.
posted by dorian at 5:57 PM on January 4, 2005


Yes, definitely OK to self link. I mean there's not much else going on out there.
posted by doogyrev at 6:43 PM on January 4, 2005


Actually, I can certify that nathan's not nofundy. I've known him for quite some time in the real world. In fact, I may have been the person who originally pointed him to metafilter.

So you admit to aiding the self-linker in his verboten activities, do you?
posted by Danelope at 7:13 PM on January 4, 2005


I admit nothing, pawn of the Inquisition!
posted by Karmakaze at 7:21 PM on January 4, 2005


Ahh - keswick is back with his brief, almost pointless comments and his omnipresent obsenities. You'd think he might have learned something from a recent MetaTalk callout, deleted or not, but self-reflection seems sadly lacking.
posted by WestCoaster at 9:08 PM on January 4, 2005


No one gets pancakes until we get justice!

By justice, I of course mean banhammerin'.
posted by graventy at 9:26 PM on January 4, 2005


Ban him and decapitate his daughter!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:39 PM on January 4, 2005


Yeah, obviously Matt felt the callout was warranted since he deleted it. PS: It's spelled obscenity, fuckwit. fuckity fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
posted by keswick at 9:52 PM on January 4, 2005


how dare you accuse me of being Fred Phelps!
posted by rocket_skates at 11:26 PM on January 4, 2005


Burn him!
posted by punkbitch at 3:43 PM on January 5, 2005


pookzilla -
It does state that self-linking is a no-no pretty clearly in the posting guidelines. And it's regularly mentioned in one thread or another that self-linking is bad. Even when it's not particularly bad, one could infer that it's frowed upon by people posting their self-links with "warning: self-link".

If self-linking were encouraged, everyone would self-link in order to drive traffic to their site and to try and boost their google ratings, etc. It's tacky.
posted by raedyn at 2:37 PM on January 6, 2005


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