example of everything not to do in an AskMe thread March 15, 2005 7:09 AM   Subscribe

Fanboy chatfilter in AskMe + snarky derail + fanboy calling derailer an "azzhole" = example of everything not to do in an AskMe thread.
posted by casu marzu to Etiquette/Policy at 7:09 AM (114 comments total)

So, what are "the chances of this thread going somewhere productive"? ;-P
posted by mischief at 7:13 AM on March 15, 2005


I'm sure it's flagged to hell. But when there's only one admin and he's at SXSW, you don't get quick response times 24/7.
posted by smackfu at 7:15 AM on March 15, 2005


someone help me out here, which have I heard most in my short (by galactic standards) life...

1. "Chatfilter"
2. "Mom, make him move, he's on my side...mooooommmm!"
posted by HuronBob at 7:16 AM on March 15, 2005


Oh, boy, we're arguing about Star Wars. The internet sure has come a long way....
posted by jonmc at 7:16 AM on March 15, 2005


Azzhole. How... quaint.
posted by DaShiv at 7:30 AM on March 15, 2005


But when there's only one admin and he's at SXSW, you don't get quick response times 24/7.

*Makes "BRING BACK JESSAMYN" picket sign, martches back and forth in front of computer*
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:39 AM on March 15, 2005


jessamyn isn't an admin anymore? what, did you jerks complain it away or something?
posted by mcsweetie at 7:46 AM on March 15, 2005


Apparently the chances of the thread going somewhere productive are better than the the chances of the movie being good.

keep it tight shouldn't get all high and mighty, under normal conditions that thread would've been removed in less than twelve parsecs.
posted by Arch Stanton at 7:46 AM on March 15, 2005


rolls eyes - "parsecs is a distance, doofus" - makes swooshing noise and waves scale model of the millenium falcon
posted by andrew cooke at 7:51 AM on March 15, 2005


A surely come up with in hindsight explanation of that whole twelve parsecs thing.
posted by Cyrano at 7:56 AM on March 15, 2005


rats. i guess not getting the joke at least means i'm not a fanboy, right?
posted by andrew cooke at 8:01 AM on March 15, 2005


there's only one admin and he's at SXSW

i once was told about something called 'network', which supposedly would allow one to perform tasks from distant locations. i think something like that for web sites would be a real breakthrough, but then, i'm not a web dork by trade.
posted by quonsar at 8:04 AM on March 15, 2005


keep it tight shouldn't get all high and mighty, under normal conditions that thread would've been removed in less than twelve parsecs.

You folks sure are inconsistent: I was expecting a pile-on for his flagrant abuse of the site.
posted by AlexReynolds at 8:14 AM on March 15, 2005


I always thought that the twelve parsecs was a shortening of a longer phrase, in the same way that I've heard people refer to clicks, rather than kilometres per hour, when talking about speed.
posted by veedubya at 8:24 AM on March 15, 2005


Said mcsweetie jessamyn isn't an admin anymore? what, did you jerks complain it away or something?

People were demanding all sorts of new features and complained Matt was taking too long building and installing them, so Matt made Jessamyn an admin to offset some of the work. Then people complained Jessamyn was deleting threads without Matt's authorization, and when Matt tried to run SuicideGirls ads, a massive Complain-A-Thon was launched to prevent Matt from generating revenue--you see, complaining is all they have. If MetaFilter generated income for Matt and had every feature they wanted, about what would they have to complain? They'd be drifting aimlessly, like a piece of toilet paper circling in the bowl.
posted by fandango_matt at 8:25 AM on March 15, 2005


Cyrano, that seems like a really stupid explanation. But what should we expect? Didn't those librarians lose a whole solar system? Effing Jedi wankers.
posted by coelecanth at 8:34 AM on March 15, 2005


Now I know there are some people who are morally opposed to chatfilter. I think they are few, actually, because I know damn well that just about everyone here has their own topic that they'd chat more or less forever about, given the chance.

Those of us who're against unhelpful shitting in threads have a much clearer majority and case. In other words: whether you think it's chatty or not, please make it to the bathroom (aka MetaTalk) before you take that shit.

You know better, monju.
posted by scarabic at 8:45 AM on March 15, 2005


We didn't lose a solar system. It was checked out by another patron. We placed a hold on it when you asked and will inform you when it is returned. We can't be bending library rules for you, regardless of how majestic your beard looks.

And please stop talking so loudly. There are portly apprentices trying to read.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:47 AM on March 15, 2005


Then people complained Jessamyn was deleting threads without Matt's authorization

People were complaining loudly that I was pruning chatfilter/off-topic AskMe stuff too much without a clear set of guidelines explaining what would or would not be pruned -- with no "undo" or "lofi" feature in AskMe -- so Matt told me to lay off the deleting [about the same time as I offered to lay off] and see if things calmed down some. The flag system is sort of a time-saving replacement instead of another admin and it works pretty well most of the time.
posted by jessamyn at 8:51 AM on March 15, 2005


*sticks tongue out a scarabic*
posted by monju_bosatsu at 9:03 AM on March 15, 2005


I'm so looking forward to this next Star Wars episode. The sounds of nerd-whinge accross teh intarwebs is just an added bonus.

Next up: The chick who plays the robot-woman on Star Trek to get a sex change.
Pizza delivery to be outlawed.
All website coding to be performed via Dreamweaver on pain of death.
Star Trek (all versions) cancelled.
posted by i_cola at 9:13 AM on March 15, 2005


You folks sure are inconsistent: I was expecting a pile-on for his flagrant abuse of the site.

If there must be callouts for bad AskMe questions, the place to do it is here, not over there. Not piling on in AskMe is one of the cardinal rules. How hard is that to understand?
posted by anapestic at 9:17 AM on March 15, 2005


accross=across

You folks sure are inconsistent...

With over 1,000 active members from all parts of the (Englishish-speaking) globe you're not likely to get consistency of thought. No matter what some might try & say...
posted by i_cola at 9:21 AM on March 15, 2005


2. "Mom, make him move, he's on my side...mooooommmm!"

errr..."mommy, the boy in the car next to us was calling his sister names."
Let those posters sort it out, why we have our e-mails in our profile page. Biggest problem here you have dragged us all into it. Think about it, as it shows your skin way too thin, toughen up a bit. Yes, it is a self policing site, yet you want yourself thought of as a rent-a-cop?
posted by thomcatspike at 9:26 AM on March 15, 2005


jezzamyn, hope uz!
posted by matteo at 9:26 AM on March 15, 2005


Uhg, didn't catch your thoughts on this thread first link. Maybe you may have directed the poster to the thread containing the move’s trailer. Also pointing out a better discussion may ensue as it would have a wider audience being seen in MF than askmF.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:34 AM on March 15, 2005



posted by breezeway at 9:37 AM on March 15, 2005




I invoke JarJar on this thread, that should close it.
posted by sebas at 9:37 AM on March 15, 2005


I always thought that the twelve parsecs was a shortening of a longer phrase

Yeah, "parallax of one arc-second"
posted by Plutor at 10:01 AM on March 15, 2005


Generally I hate what I am about to do, but....

Metafilter: You folks sure are inconsistent...


Sorry sorry.
posted by edgeways at 10:39 AM on March 15, 2005


Someone delete it already. A mote in the eye of metafilter.
posted by ori at 11:13 AM on March 15, 2005


ori, Matt's out of town. It'll have to wait.
posted by Specklet at 11:24 AM on March 15, 2005


This isn't the thread that you're looking for.
posted by bardic at 11:37 AM on March 15, 2005


*Head explodes*









No, really.

posted by Shane at 12:06 PM on March 15, 2005


Said mcsweetie jessamyn isn't an admin anymore? what, did you jerks complain it away or something?

People were demanding all sorts of new features and complained Matt was taking too long building and installing them, so Matt made Jessamyn an admin to offset some of the work. Then people complained Jessamyn was deleting threads without Matt's authorization, and when Matt tried to run SuicideGirls ads, a massive Complain-A-Thon was launched to prevent Matt from generating revenue--you see, complaining is all they have. If MetaFilter generated income for Matt and had every feature they wanted, about what would they have to complain? They'd be drifting aimlessly, like a piece of toilet paper circling in the bowl.


Fandango_Matt, I've been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to come up with a nice way to say this, but words have failed me so I'm just going to go with my initial reaction: bull-fucking-shit.

I'm going to abandon any pretense of politeness and launch into a full-out rant because I am sick and tired of people who disagreed with Matt being misrepresented. Here goes: what many of us were 'complaining' about had nothing to do with Jessamyn, at all, ever. It was the comment/thread deletion/closure on MetaTalk that Matt was responsible for and not the mostly-deserved deletions on AskMe that caused many of us to speak up. Somehow Matt interpreted this as meaning he should ask Jessamyn to lay off, when the message at the time coming from those of us upset at the way things were going was pretty overwhelmingly that he should lay off. It took a few more threads before he agreed to do so himself.

Many of us had no problem with Jessamyn's moderation of AskMetafilter - which is a forum with strictly defined rules, but did have a problem with Matt's moderation of MetaTalk, where regardless of original intent the community years ago appropriated for the purpose of voicing their opinions on all sorts of subjects related to Metafilter. Conflating these two is not only wildly inaccurate, it is outrageously insulting.
posted by Ryvar at 12:18 PM on March 15, 2005


Dawn of the Dead, now that's a quality film, Shane. But I still don't think people should be posting "OMG! D00dz d0 j00 7h1nk teh n3xx7 R0m3r0 m0v13 w1ll b3 teh suxx0rs?!!1!!!" in AskMe.

They can do that here. And they can go here to speculate on the next Star Wars film. That's not what AskMe is for.
posted by casu marzu at 12:27 PM on March 15, 2005


On reflection, I apologize if that was a bit too strident. I am just really tired of people pointing a finger and shouting "WHINERS!" because some of us had the audacity to question Matt's decisions. The world is more nuanced than that, and there is no black and white, but varying degrees of gray (no pun intended) in which individuals perform individual actions. I wish that some people would recognize that fact.
posted by Ryvar at 12:28 PM on March 15, 2005


So sayeth Ryvar, Official Mefi Head Complainer.
posted by eyeballkid at 12:34 PM on March 15, 2005


I don't speak for everyone, or claim to, ebk - and I haven't taken an official survey of why everyone who spoke up was speaking up, but that was overwhelmingly the impression I got.
posted by Ryvar at 12:38 PM on March 15, 2005


Ryvar: You're really outrageously offended at a deletion on a web site?

I mean, are you mind-bendingly baffled too? What about jaw-droppingly shocked or perhaps simply completely blown away?
posted by xmutex at 12:41 PM on March 15, 2005


Um, Ryvar, I believe Fandango_Matt was using sarcasm.

However, I could be wrong.

( Note: The previous sentence will NEVER be a MeFi tagline. ;-P )
posted by mischief at 12:41 PM on March 15, 2005


So sayeth Ryvar, Official Mefi Head Complainer.

Ryvar's Official Mefi Head Complainer now?

Who's gonna break it to BlueTrain?
posted by jonmc at 12:43 PM on March 15, 2005


Many of us had no problem with Jessamyn's moderation of AskMetafilter

I am just really tired of people pointing a finger and shouting "WHINERS!" because some of us had the audacity to question Matt's decisions.

I don't speak for everyone, or claim to, ebk
posted by eyeballkid at 12:44 PM on March 15, 2005


MetaFilter: However, I could be wr-

*head explodes*
posted by DaShiv at 12:48 PM on March 15, 2005


I don't speak for everyone, or claim to, ebk

Clearer that way?
posted by Ryvar at 12:53 PM on March 15, 2005


Forget exploding heads.

Metafilter:

posted by breezeway at 12:54 PM on March 15, 2005 [1 favorite]


Here goes: what many of us were 'complaining' about had nothing to do with Jessamyn, at all, ever.

Many people were also complaining about question and comment deletions on Askme. This is fact and it is part of why Jessamyn no longer does deletions if I understand correctly.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:59 PM on March 15, 2005


Fandango_Matt, I've been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to come up with a nice way to say this, but words have failed me so I'm just going to go with my initial reaction: bull-fucking-shit.

I'm going to abandon any pretense of politeness and launch into a full-out rant


Ryvar, if you step back for a moment, can you understand perhaps why some of us might roll our eyes at someone who takes what happens here so very seriously? None of us is sitting at the keyboard and saying "that fucking Ryvar is responsible for the mess we have here now."

Also, while you personally may not have minded Jessamyn's handling of AskMe, and while I certainly didn't mind it, there was an incredible amount of whining about her during the time she was editing the green. It very likely was unfair scapegoating, but it certainly happened.
posted by anapestic at 1:07 PM on March 15, 2005


I suppose something like an explanation is in order - Jessamyn is a great person, and a very good friend that I enjoy talking to. I did a fair fraction of the posting (by volume of text, if nothing else) in the anti-deletion debacle. I was absolutely crushed when she decided to/was told to back down, because I thought she'd been doing a great job in AskMe.

It seemed, to me, that while, yes, some people had a problem with the way things were going over in AskMe (there was one I thought gratuitous), the majority were upset about stuff like the thread closures in MeTa and the time Matt deleted a ton of jokes so that his response would be at the top of a thread he then closed. Maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I didn't see nearly as many complaints about what Jessamyn was doing in AskMe.

Given that she is a good friend, when people insinuate that it was the fault of the 'WHINERS OMG' that she is no longer directly moderating AskMe, I tend to take that personally specifically because I was pretty actively a part of that whole situation, not to mention that it directly conflicts with my memory of what happened. I hope that in some way explains why I keep reacting this way to people lumping everybody together during the course of the ongoing inevitable backlash. Justifiably or not, I feel enough guilt that she no longer has that role, and these accusations that seem to lump me in with those who did want her removed only serve to exacerbate that feeling, hence the severity of my reaction.
posted by Ryvar at 1:08 PM on March 15, 2005


Ryvar, if you step back for a moment, can you understand perhaps why some of us might roll our eyes at someone who takes what happens here so very seriously? None of us is sitting at the keyboard and saying "that fucking Ryvar is responsible for the mess we have here now."

I can understand that, sure, but what you're talking about is a matter of perspective. For those of us who have no social life outside of Metafilter whatsoever (*cough*) it is possible that these things take on a certain . . . inflated sense of significance. I appreciate you trying to keep me grounded in reality, though.
posted by Ryvar at 1:15 PM on March 15, 2005


...and the time Matt deleted a ton of jokes so that his response would be at the top of a thread he then closed.

Bwahaaahaaa! 'Cause, omg, that's like, so Matt!
posted by Specklet at 1:20 PM on March 15, 2005


Er, Specklet . . . this is one of those circumstances where sarcasm tags would be useful, but I'm going to go with my gut and assume you think I'm making that up.

Here is the thread, here is the resulting protestation, and here is Matt's response within the latter.
posted by Ryvar at 1:29 PM on March 15, 2005


ori, Matt's out of town. It'll have to wait.

it's a downright shame they don't have internet out of town.
posted by quonsar at 1:36 PM on March 15, 2005


Official Mefi Head Complainer

Who would complain about head?
posted by uncleozzy at 1:38 PM on March 15, 2005


Sorry Ryvar, I commented before I knew the whole story. (I can see why people would be bummed that the joking banter was deleted, although personally, I don't care.)

The way I read your above referenced comment, it sounded like the only reason Matt deleted the comments was because of an ego trip.
posted by Specklet at 1:41 PM on March 15, 2005


Who would complain about head?

Her boyfriend?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:42 PM on March 15, 2005


Sorry Ryvar, I commented before I knew the whole story.

It's cool. [sarcasm] Although I do not speak for everyone, many of us have been jumping the gun today [/sarcasm]
posted by Ryvar at 1:46 PM on March 15, 2005


If it's chatfilter, which it is, tag the thread and ignore it.

On the other hand, quit covering up your fucking swear words. Azzhole? That's weak. Might as well call'm buttface or poopyhead.
posted by graventy at 1:56 PM on March 15, 2005


On the other hand, quit covering up your fucking swear words. Azzhole? That's weak.

Whatever you do, don't use asterisks around this place.

Holy fuck, will you ever catch some shit for that.
posted by AlexReynolds at 2:06 PM on March 15, 2005


People should just chill. Nobody wants to be the Bunny In The Back.


posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:07 PM on March 15, 2005


And Demon Haughey gets another five bucks.
posted by Official Mefi Head Complainer at 2:15 PM on March 15, 2005


Alex is right. Woe unto he who says "wh*te trash".
posted by Specklet at 2:20 PM on March 15, 2005


it's a downright shame they don't have internet out of town

I think that "out of town" probably implies that he's doing things other than sitting at his computer monitoring the goings on around here, but, hey, maybe you should make that tired point another ten times since you obviously don't have anything better to do.
posted by anapestic at 2:30 PM on March 15, 2005


It's deleted now folks, nothing to see here. Move along. /disappointed fangirl

Oh, and thanks, breezeway. I'd always wanted to know what a clusterfuck looked like.
posted by deborah at 2:55 PM on March 15, 2005


I think that "out of town" probably implies that he's doing things other than sitting at his computer monitoring the goings on around here

yes, web dorking is hard work.
posted by quonsar at 2:59 PM on March 15, 2005


Wow. Matt leaves for a week and the place just goes to hell.
posted by BrodieShadeTree at 3:14 PM on March 15, 2005


Can I state for the record that "snark" is a ridiculous word that cheapens the poem "Jabberwocky" and tries to add completely unnecessary hipness to the word "sarcasm?" It should die in agony.
posted by inksyndicate at 3:28 PM on March 15, 2005


yes, web dorking is hard work.

As opposed to what? Do you dig ditches or supervise a chain gang, perhaps? You've been implying that it's somehow negligent of him to actually take a few days to do something else. Do you think he should have to spend all his time here babysitting you while you abuse him?
posted by anapestic at 3:37 PM on March 15, 2005


robocop, you need to mow the lawn.
cute bunnies though!
posted by matteo at 3:59 PM on March 15, 2005


Wow. Matt leaves for a week and the place just goes to hell.

Umm, when did it go to hell? It is just not as cleaned up is all. This is the norm.
posted by Quartermass at 4:03 PM on March 15, 2005


Whatever you do, don't use asterisks around this place.

Oh, shut the f*** up, already.
posted by jonmc at 4:09 PM on March 15, 2005


The real tragedy here is that the now-deleted AskMe Star Wars question would have been right at home in this open thread, posted not 12 hours earlier.
posted by obloquy at 4:57 PM on March 15, 2005


God damnit the post was deleted.

Not that it shouldn't have been deleted but I'm really curious what the 'snarky derail' involved.
posted by delmoi at 4:59 PM on March 15, 2005


...or this one, although it is older. Still open and on the front page, though.
posted by obloquy at 5:02 PM on March 15, 2005


delmoi: monju pointed out in sassy fashion that the thread was doomed, which helped to doom it all the more.
posted by cortex at 5:32 PM on March 15, 2005


But when there's only one admin and he's at SXSW, you don't get quick response times 24/7.

Eventually leading to...

yes, web dorking is hard work.

quonsar, try substituting "he's at SXSW" with "he's spending time with his newborn child" and try to realize what a petty dickhead you're going to sound like one of these days.
posted by Cyrano at 7:40 PM on March 15, 2005


Do you think he should have to spend all his time here babysitting you while you abuse him?

you're so cute when you're sycophantic!
posted by quonsar at 7:41 PM on March 15, 2005


what a petty dickhead you're going to sound like one of these days.

wrong tense.
posted by quonsar at 7:42 PM on March 15, 2005


quonsar, try substituting "he's at SXSW" with "he's spending time with his newborn child"

I, for one, am fully prepared to "hate the baby"1 when that time comes. Quick, if Philip means "lover of horses" somebody work out the Latin for "killer of ponies" - that would be a great name for Junior.

1I have no idea who coined this phrase, but it wasn't me.
posted by Ryvar at 8:18 PM on March 15, 2005


Do you think he should have to spend all his time here babysitting you while you abuse him?

Look at it as simulator training in preparation for the real thing.
posted by mischief at 8:23 PM on March 15, 2005


wrong tense.

Right observation.
posted by squirrel at 8:43 PM on March 15, 2005


Don't hate the baby.
posted by mathowie's baby at 9:00 PM on March 15, 2005


You know, quonsar, you have a habit of showing up only to feed on the medicore and ignorant. As a huge Blort fan, I am compelled to note: you are what you eat, chum. What do you get out of this place except a morbid release? Yes. I'm talking about peeing on the dead.
posted by scarabic at 9:38 PM on March 15, 2005


*checks pulse*

Hey! I'm not dead!
posted by Cyrano at 9:45 PM on March 15, 2005


(I am pretty mediocre and fairly ignorant, though...)
posted by Cyrano at 9:47 PM on March 15, 2005


Said Ryvar: "I, for one, am fully prepared to "hate the baby"(1) when that time comes. Quick, if Philip means "lover of horses" somebody work out the Latin for "killer of ponies" - that would be a great name for Junior.

(1)I have no idea who coined this phrase, but it wasn't me."


You and I did.
posted by fandango_matt at 10:20 PM on March 15, 2005


Actually, oddly enough, Matt himself coined it, fandango:

I give it two weeks until we hear someone say "I hate that baby and what it's done to Matt and this site."
posted by mathowie at 10:13 AM PST on December 14 [!]

posted by Ryvar at 10:28 PM on March 15, 2005


Aw that's just poignant. I can't imagine hating the baby.

Now if the gad-danged wife doesn't fulfill her role, by gad, and take doggone care of that dad-gummit swaddling little jumble o' timesuck then, gol durn it, I-don't-know-what. That's a whole 'nother thing, I say, I say.
posted by scarabic at 11:13 PM on March 15, 2005


Cyrano: You're not foolin' anyone. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
posted by scarabic at 11:17 PM on March 15, 2005



Area man finds quasi-consumptive bathrobe-clad fruitloop rearranging his spice racks upon returning home. Dramatic footage of the Cumin/Caraway standoff at Eleven.

posted by trondant at 11:25 PM on March 15, 2005


MetaFilter: A dad-gummit swaddlin' little jumble o' timesuck.
posted by fandango_matt at 11:35 PM on March 15, 2005


you're so cute when you're sycophantic!

Whereas you're never cute at all.

I think it's fair to say that I tend to be more vocal at times when I agree with number one, or disagree with people taking shots at him, and that I tend not to mention it when he does things I don't agree with. To me, that's just being polite, but if people want to see it as sycophancy, so be it.

Nonetheless, calling me a sycophant is not responsive to my criticism of your boorish behavior, nor does it make it appropriate for you to shit all over the site at every opportunity.
posted by anapestic at 4:49 AM on March 16, 2005


I don't understand why you're trying to reason with the quonsar. You do realize that making serious gestures towards him means he's going to throw his bananas and feces at you even more, don't you?
posted by dflemingdotorg at 5:33 AM on March 16, 2005


If nothing else, a logical response serves to highlight an illogical one. I wouldn't really say that I'm trying to reason with him. I have no expectation that his behavior will change, and I remain unaffected by the bananas and feces.
posted by anapestic at 6:15 AM on March 16, 2005


Agreed that Q's endless Matt-baiting is boring and not funny at all. It's more sad, really: "look at me, look at me! Delete me! I'm sorry everyone, let me back in! No, delete me now! Now let me back in, I'm really sorry!"

And then, of course, comes Q's ingenious protection mechanism: "Of course I'm a jerk, what did you expect?" This too has become tedious.
posted by Mid at 6:51 AM on March 16, 2005


I'm an azzhole (he's an azzhole,what an azzhole)
I'm an azzhole (he's the world's biggest azzhole)

posted by monju_bosatsu at 7:12 AM on March 16, 2005


teh howie has studiously avoided, for years, certain questions regarding common codebase, inconsistent deletion, guidelines and much, much more, and i have habitually commented, often in a sidelong manner, on such. after the recent influx of new members, it seemed to me, and was widely noted by others, that teh howie had taken to behaving in a manner quite unlike himself. it is also well known that i personally despise, for instance, deletions of any sort, always have, and will likely continue to needle him about it, as well as items which clearly qualify for deletion based on his past statements and actions which then go undeleted. i frankly do not, as you have correctly observed, give a damn what those who fawn before his illustrious personage think about that. this is the 4th or 5th year he's gone off to be regaled as the innovative founder of a community  website, he's known he was going to go for months, and so i note with some sarcasm when n00bs remark about the site "going to hell" the irony inherent in a website unable to be moderated due to the moderator being in a different location. it's not meant to be funny or entertaining or to relieve tedium. so, with all due respect: bite me.
posted by quonsar at 8:18 AM on March 16, 2005


Jesus Christ, quonsar, get over yourself. That you've never been permanently banned is a better testament to Matt's committment to making this a true community site (ie, where even the biggest of assholes may participate) than any direct praise I could give him.
posted by daveadams at 8:53 AM on March 16, 2005


Let quonsar be quonsar. There can be only one quonsar.
posted by beth at 8:55 AM on March 16, 2005


Btw, you all realize this place will be sold to the highest bidder once the baby comes, don't you?
posted by beth at 8:55 AM on March 16, 2005


People are really just not doing exciting stuff on the web anymore? I mean when is Jason Kottkes next bowel movement? That is the Web & I Get It!

:>
posted by Dreamghost at 9:05 AM on March 16, 2005


When my financing comes through, all of you fuckers are gonna be banned.
posted by graventy at 9:20 AM on March 16, 2005


Btw, you all realize this place will be sold to the highest bidder once the baby comes, don't you?

That would hardly qualify as a tragedy, but I find it hard to imagine that anyone would pay a significant amount for the site. Perhaps those of you who are so disenchanted with the current management should pool your resources and offer to buy it and turn it into the utopia that it would no doubt become under your more enlightened guidance.
posted by anapestic at 9:28 AM on March 16, 2005


ARGH YE MATEY!
posted by Dreamghost at 9:43 AM on March 16, 2005


I mean when is Jason Kottkes next bowel movement?

Check his webcam.
posted by Mid at 9:43 AM on March 16, 2005


Check his webcam.

FECESBLOGGING! KOTTKES DONE IT AGAIN!
posted by Dreamghost at 9:51 AM on March 16, 2005


the utopia that it would no doubt become under your more enlightened guidance

1. Make quonsar supreme ruler of metafilter.

2. Close membership indefinitely.

3. Charge members $50 each to stay.

4. Profit.
posted by beth at 10:39 AM on March 16, 2005


Seconded.
posted by CunningLinguist at 10:50 AM on March 16, 2005


Can I state for the record that "snark" is a ridiculous word that cheapens the poem "Jabberwocky" and tries to add completely unnecessary hipness to the word "sarcasm?" It should die in agony.

Sorry, inksyndicate, but there's no mention of snark in "Jabberwocky". I think you mean the rather longer poem "The Hunting of the Snark".
posted by emmling at 11:25 AM on March 16, 2005


I think it's fair to say that I tend to be more vocal at times when I agree with number one, or disagree with people taking shots at him, and that I tend not to mention it when he does things I don't agree with. To me, that's just being polite, but if people want to see it as sycophancy, so be it.

It's also fair to say that you're a tool. I've always despised cowardice dolled up as patriotism, prudence or politesse. Inconsistent honesty is the essence of sycopancy! You brownie hounds have nothing on quonsar.
posted by squirrel at 6:47 PM on March 16, 2005


It's also fair to say that you're a tool.

I'll let others judge whether it's fair. I don't think it's accurate. You people on here who keep harping on consistency are ridiculous. If I say something's good and then later say it's bad, I'm being inconsistent. If I don't choose to comment on everything I see, that's not inconsistent, it's just having a life. I'm tired of hearing all the whining about "how could you delete this thread when you didn't delete that thread or that one?" It's as if because you have nothing better to do than come to MetaFilter all day long you expect the owner to read every word and make the same decision on every similar matter. If someone creates something that rocks and has some small problems, what's the point of harping on the small problems? You're probably the kind of person who hears someone perform something terrific and goes up to them afterwards and says, "Hey, you missed that one note." That's not avoiding sycophancy, it's just being an asswipe.
posted by anapestic at 5:17 AM on March 17, 2005


If I don't choose to comment on everything I see, that's not inconsistent, it's just having a life.

I have a life, too. Yet I also comment both on things that I like and don't like. Commenting only on things you like is polite at best, cowardly at worst, and certainly no indication of whether or not you have a life.

It's as if because you have nothing better to do than come to MetaFilter all day long...

and so forth. Ad hominem nonsense.

You're probably the kind of person who hears someone perform something terrific and goes up to them afterwards and says, "Hey, you missed that one note."

Not really; and I don't think you believe it, either. I actually give a lot of positive feedback around here, but I also speak up when I don't like something. That's a difference between us. Perhaps we ought to try to respect our differences, as apparently opposed as they make us.
posted by squirrel at 6:25 AM on March 17, 2005


I had thought that by saying "you people" I was making it clear that I wasn't addressing you personally, squirrel. There is clearly a contingent around here who seem to have nothing else to do with themselves besides hang out here. Some of them very clearly have no outside lives; some of them just have awful jobs, I suppose. Some of them are very polite about it, and others aren't. And I do believe many of those people are just the sort to find the few faults among the many positives. And at least a few of them are asswipes.

If something happened here that I disagreed with strongly, I would say so. Most of the few things that Matt does that I dislike barely register with me. If he were to, say, make quonsar an administrator, I'd yelp or perhaps just leave. And I think I have said that I wish he'd delete more, but I don't see the point of harping on it.

If you want to try to respecting people's differences, you might begin by not calling them tools or cowards. Or, if that's what you really think, you might not expect them to want to respect your opinion. I don't expect quonsar to respect mine, and I don't respect his.
posted by anapestic at 7:14 AM on March 17, 2005


You make some good points, anapestic, particularly about respect. Calling you a tool was foolish. I try to avoid ad hominem, but once in a while certain topics can switch me into adolescent mode. I don't agree with some of your perspectives, but I can learn from you. Thanks.
posted by squirrel at 2:34 AM on March 18, 2005


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