Personal Vendetta Filter

November 5, 2005 6:25 PM

Personal Vendetta Filter: dhoyt links to a comment amberglow made yesterday on Metachat. In doing so, dhoyt continues to insist on taking shots at members on his shit list in threads where they have made no comment whatsoever. This penchant for personal attacks is getting sick. All too often, he uses this place as a sort of personal emotional toxic waste dump where he can vent some jealousy, spite and malice at whoever is on his shit list du jour. This particular time his little chickenshit cheapshot was just a little too obsessive-compulsive over-the-top.
posted by y2karl to Etiquette/Policy at 6:25 PM (72 comments total)

amberglow is either enroute to Paris or there already. Linking to a comment in this thread to make amberglow look bad, when amberglow can make no remark or response to dhoyt's passive-aggressive sliming, is taking cheap shots to a whole new level. This is just wrong.
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It adds nothing but more ill will--and dhoyt is already way over his quota when it comes to expressing ill will towards people personally here.
posted by y2karl at 6:40 PM on November 5, 2005

PITCHFORKS!!!

READY 'ARMS!

HUT HUT HUT!
posted by Mr T at 6:45 PM on November 5, 2005

maybe he'll use one of his sockpuppets to kick your ass, too, karl
posted by matteo at 6:47 PM on November 5, 2005

Up, up with people! You meet people wherever you go!
Up, up with people! They're the best kind of folks we know
If more people were for people
All people everywhere
There'd be a lot less people to worry about
And a lot more people who'd care.
can't we all just get along?
posted by carsonb at 6:48 PM on November 5, 2005

2Lt: Sir, Sir, there's confusion in the ranks!
Col: What seems to be the problem son?
2Lt: Sir, some of the men thought they were under attack..
Col: And?!
2LT: Well... it looks like Seargent Abmerglow might have been hit by f... fre... freindly-...
Col: Fragged was he.
2Lt:[pauses] yes sir.
Col: [long pause] Serves him right, the twit.
posted by Mr T at 6:59 PM on November 5, 2005

Wow, this is the third metatalk thread spawned from that one fucking thread.
posted by smackfu at 7:07 PM on November 5, 2005

Forget amberglow. This is about dhoyt constantly taking shots at people who are not commenting in a thread where said shot is made--and worse, here tonight, getting a lick in on someone who can not be notified, who is unlilely to see said uncalled for personal attack and, therefore, who can not respond. This is a new low.
posted by y2karl at 7:10 PM on November 5, 2005

The absence/notification bit is a judgement call, I personally wouldn't care, but how is it a personal attack if all he did is relate amberglow's stated intention?
posted by Krrrlson at 7:14 PM on November 5, 2005

And didn't even mention who it was, in the MeFi thread.
posted by smackfu at 7:15 PM on November 5, 2005

Yeah, recently I've been irked by someone taking cheap shots at me in every other thread where I comment. But crapping on someone in a thread where they haven't even shown, and going cross-site to do it, is l a m e . Time to step away, foo.
posted by scarabic at 7:16 PM on November 5, 2005

scarabic, what is the difference between dhoyt's comment and this coment by yourself, where you choose to take a potshot at me before I show up in the thread?

"New low?" I beg to differ.
posted by Krrrlson at 7:24 PM on November 5, 2005

(Nor is it a "low" at all, I don't see what the big deal is.)
posted by Krrrlson at 7:25 PM on November 5, 2005

you guys are a bunch of drama queens.
posted by keswick at 7:28 PM on November 5, 2005

THIS IS WEIRD.. ahem... damn caps lock MeCha'd ?!?.
posted by Mr T at 7:29 PM on November 5, 2005

I like dhoyt, but in the past have felt him hoyt. He can also be a bit of a hoyt head. Not an idioyt, but still a bit of a jerk.

(slaps self out of making oyt' puns)
But I do like him, as much as I like amberglow. Both are good people. I think dhoyt's temper is of a harmless but bristly Al Bundy heat. Just let him bitch about selling shoes and it's all fine. Or at least that's always been my impression.
posted by Peter H at 7:30 PM on November 5, 2005

Wow, calm down Y2, it's not really a 'shot', Amberglow did actualy state that he'd be chearing on the rioters...
posted by delmoi at 7:47 PM on November 5, 2005

Scarabic made that comment in June 11, 2004, Krrrlson. That is nearly a year and a half ago. Can you link to any recent comments which scarabic has made about you, Krrrlson ? Is there a pattern where he keeps taking shots at you ? There is a difference between an ongoing grudge and something someone said about you a year and a half ago.
posted by y2karl at 7:50 PM on November 5, 2005

Yeah, Krrrlson, that may have been time to step away, too. I'm not saying I only ever point out someone's mistake when it's one I've never made myself. I know, that's a shocking admission on MetaFilter, where we're all perfect and all of our arguments are all supposed to be internally consistent with each other and collectively unassailable forever.

But in the particular case you link, part of it was that I took in the linked content with a grimace of disgust but knew you would articulate why better than I, because I've seen you take down anti-Jew foolios before, with sometimes arguable but increasingly good judgment over time (earlier this week, for example) whereas I do better with racist foolios from the Zionist side of the fence.

I'm disappointed you saw it as a swipe when it was intended as something of an homage. People are often "paged" to threads which touch on a subject where they have shown interest or facility in the past. It's a pretty well-established practice.
posted by scarabic at 7:51 PM on November 5, 2005

So all of this brings up the side issue:

Why isn't amberglow's trip to Paris listed in MeFiProjects?
posted by R. Mutt at 8:00 PM on November 5, 2005

Why isn't amberglow's trip to Paris listed in MeFiProjects?

dood, it's not up yet. But there are just af ew database issues, and it'll be delayed (at least) a day or so.
posted by delmoi at 8:05 PM on November 5, 2005

dhoyt, you probably won't listen to karl, but listen to me: I have to admit that what you did was dirty pool. Let it go, man.
posted by jonmc at 8:05 PM on November 5, 2005

MefiProjects? Where is the link for that?
posted by snsranch at 8:05 PM on November 5, 2005

I'm sorry can someone explain to me what's going on here (as an outside observer). We have in a thread about the Parisian riots the following comment:

By the by: Two of our most popular MeFites are in Paris right now cheering on the rioters. Wish 'em luck.
posted by dhoyt at 6:07 PM CST on November 5 [!]

Then that links to a comment in the metachat thread:

a week

mmm...cuisine de freedom ; >

(i think i'll cheer them on if they come downtown, actually)
posted by amberglow 04 November | 00:28

Okay so what's the deal? It doesn't sound ultra-inflammatory. No one seriously thinks amberglow is going to go cheer on rioters, right? Maybe I don't know amberglow well enough (he rarely calls anymore) but an American cheering on Muslim protesters in Paris is just plain silly, an obviously sarcastic comment.

Then we have the dhoyt link, again I don't follow them enough to know if they hate each other, but he makes another sarcastic comment. This wasn't inflammatory or hate-filled. What does amberglow have to defend? "I wasn't cheering on protests," duh. He's a guest in the country.

What's the deal here, there has to be a multitude of more vitrolic, inflammatory comments to chose. What's the purpose fo this thread? I may be totally clueless, so someone fill me in.
posted by geoff. at 8:06 PM on November 5, 2005

(Welcome back jonmc.)
posted by bardic at 8:08 PM on November 5, 2005

You know who's rockin' at Interlochen?
posted by Mid at 8:08 PM on November 5, 2005

bonjour mon cheres!!!

no biggie--i have laptop access, and am used to getting called out. I have sympathy for the downtrodden--that's no surprise to anyone at all i dont think.

meanwhile i'm in Paris, and dhoyt's not!! ; p


try not to call me out too much while i'm away- i have better things to do this week. : >
posted by amberglow at 8:24 PM on November 5, 2005

fandGO_MATT:::: YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE!!!
posted by Mr T at 8:25 PM on November 5, 2005

Yeah, Krrrlson, that may have been time to step away, too.

Why? I didn't mean it as an example of a particularly egregious comment, nor do I think dhoyt's recent one is. I don't think either merits a callout. "Someone mentioned me in a thread I never participated in! My webputation is tarnished! I can't even show my face at the country club anymore!!!" Come on, it's just not that serious.


Can you link to any recent comments which scarabic has made about you, Krrrlson ? Is there a pattern where he keeps taking shots at you ?

I only picked that comment because I knew it was an example of what you brought up and I didn't care enough to waste time looking for recent comments. As for patterns of taking shots at given members, do you really think there is a shortage of that here? Why, I bet there is a comment by someone with known patterns of abuse IN THIS VERY THREAD! ZOMG! See if you can find it!
posted by Krrrlson at 8:44 PM on November 5, 2005

and worse, here tonight, getting a lick in on someone who can not be notified, who is unlilely to see said uncalled for personal attack and, therefore, who can not respond. This is a new low.
posted by y2karl

Oh please. As someone called a "fucker" in a metachat thread (I've been there once, saw the comment months later) it's hard to feel sorry for amberglow. You reap what you sow.

I have sympathy for the downtrodden--that's no surprise to anyone at all i dont think.

Ever the martyr (as long as they agree with you).
posted by justgary at 9:05 PM on November 5, 2005

Is this a spanking or no spanking thread? I'm totally looking to get me some nice, lemony-fresh spankin'.

See? I'm not even wearing any pants. I came prepared.
posted by loquacious at 9:07 PM on November 5, 2005

However, I do think keeping metachat and metafilter drama separate would be a good idea. However, with some that will never happen.
posted by justgary at 9:07 PM on November 5, 2005

Uh, just arriving here after a night out.

The comment was made about two seconds after I noticed the MeCha comment which I thought was definitely notable because a MeFite (two actually) were in Paris during the events, 'cheering it on' -- tongue in cheek obviously. So why is this controversial again? There was no personal attack in anything I wrote. If there's a vendetta at work here, I believe I'm on the receiving end of it, having had karl obsess over everything I've done or said for 5 years now.

It's totally strange, karl: you've got this problem with comments made about people not involved in threads and yet IN YOUR VERY OWN FUGGIN' THREAD here, dios is called out and you're totally silent on the matter. Can't imagine why that would be.

Paging dios, urgent torture defense required in aisle 46390.
posted by rxrfrx at 7:25 AM EST on November 4 [!]

I assume you emailed rxrfrx to lambaste him for it -- right?

I find it strange that your advice so often to other MeFites is to "get a life", yet you started this waste of bandwidth known as "Pointless MeTa Thread #10467".

maybe he'll use one of his sockpuppets to kick your ass, too, karl --matteo


I have sock puppets? Why am I always the last to know?

The absence/notification bit is a judgement call, I personally wouldn't care, but how is it a personal attack if all he did is relate amberglow's stated intention?

I don't get it either. Karl is overheated tonight.
And perhaps bored.

Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
we ourselves flash and yearn,
and moreover my mother told me as a boy
(repeatedly) 'Ever to confess you're bored
means you have no

Inner Resources.' I conclude now I have no
inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
posted by dhoyt at 9:53 PM on November 5, 2005

By the by: Two of our most popular MeFites are in Paris right now cheering on the rioters. Wish 'em luck.

Huh? -- homonculus

"Wish 'em luck", homonculus, basically means, "Let's hope they don't find themselves in a burning car". AKA, stay out of trouble, keep your head down, good luck steering clear of the chaos, and so forth..
posted by dhoyt at 9:56 PM on November 5, 2005

Contrary to all the news reports, Paris is not burning-- it's the equivalent of shit happening in White Plains and Yonkers, or Hempstead and Great Neck-- it's outside the city itself. Who else is here this week?
posted by amberglow at 10:32 PM on November 5, 2005

Did someone post an animated gif of a person typing themselves to death in a thread around here? I thought it was really funny, and wanted to share it with a friend. But I can't find it now.

If someone could give me a URL, much apreciatetion

/very tired ATM. zzzzz.
posted by delmoi at 10:55 PM on November 5, 2005

how many times do I have to say it?

dhoyt is a douchebag.
posted by puke & cry at 11:03 PM on November 5, 2005

If someone could give me a URL, much apreciatetion

Good heavens delmoi, they deleted it. Here it is, just for you:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/815/blogging0dc.gif
posted by Krrrlson at 11:09 PM on November 5, 2005

Just wanted say that 'dhoyt' is a prick. Not a bad kind, just the supercilious kind.

delmoi: here you go
posted by gsb at 11:22 PM on November 5, 2005

calling dhoyt names isn't going to help anything. How about we all just cool down a tad.
posted by jonmc at 12:21 AM on November 6, 2005

I agree with jonmc.
posted by Rothko at 12:46 AM on November 6, 2005

I have sock puppets? Why am I always the last to know?

so, you're saying you're not highsignal?
this could be fun, then.
posted by matteo at 1:13 AM on November 6, 2005

i want a shoutout from the plane window when you fly over , i'll have a telescope and stuff.
posted by sgt.serenity at 1:33 AM on November 6, 2005

I'm really glad jonmc and Rothko have reached a consensus, is that a first?
posted by gsb at 2:41 AM on November 6, 2005

posted by Rothko at 2:59 AM on November 6, 2005

His hair looks fake there. I thought the hair was always real.
posted by Mid at 7:26 AM on November 6, 2005

I'm really glad jonmc and Rothko have reached a consensus, is that a first?

Don't use the word "consensus," it still makes me twitch.
posted by jonmc at 7:44 AM on November 6, 2005

Admit it: I ain't the only damn curmudgeon around here. Although scarabic can only progress as far as "wanker".
posted by davy at 8:21 AM on November 6, 2005

Admit it: I ain't the only damn curmudgeon around here.

Get offa my lawn, you!
posted by jonmc at 8:23 AM on November 6, 2005

scarabic can only progress as far as "wanker".

See what I mean about this douchbag? I noted in this very thread that Davy is like dog shit on the sole of my shoe, mkaing tracks wherever I go. Even so he walks right into it, true to form, with another absolutely hollow cheap shot. This does something for his ego, I gather, which I must have wounded at some point. Sigh. Carry on, davy. I notice, but I don't really give a shit.
posted by scarabic at 10:07 AM on November 6, 2005

scarabic says "this piece of monkeyshit called me a piece of monkeyshit."
posted by jfuller at 11:43 AM on November 6, 2005

I say he took an empty potshot out of nowhere, comically on cue, in a thread about personal vendettas. It's either sublime humor or intense stupidity.
posted by scarabic at 12:07 PM on November 6, 2005

"this piece of monkeyshit called me a piece of monkeyshit."

I think this get to the real crux of the issue. Someone needs to stop the vitriol at a time when they are not necessarily ahead, for it to start subsiding. Where are pot and kettle when you need them?
posted by jessamyn at 12:10 PM on November 6, 2005

Someone needs to stop the vitriol at a time when they are not necessarily ahead, for it to start subsiding.

What's the incentive here, really? It seems like people who personally attack each other garner more attention and (if you're on the right side) adoring praise.

As far as I see it, people here are obsessed with being "celebrities" and well-known, for obviously ego-driven reasons. They'll get that attention any way they can earn it, positive or negative. And since negative attention is doubly reinforced around here (in-thread and a corresponding circle-jerk MeTa), it's not too surprising that we have so many "personalities" here.

I miss the days when people wanted jessamyn's job as admin. More and more people are interested in creating noise, instead of cleaning it up.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 12:55 PM on November 6, 2005

Well, this was my take on highsignal in highsignal's callout of Matteo on behalf of jenleigh..

Now, upon reflection, I am wondering if either Jennifer Tidwell aka Jennifer Hoyt is jenleigh--or just plain dhoyt.

So, highsignal makes 5 commentsand dhoyt makes 13--all concerning matteo-- to highsignal/dhoyt's post . That is so weird if it is true--dhoyt makes a call out post about matteo via a sockpuppet account over something matteo said about a personal acquaintance/friend/girlfriend/significant other/wife /sister/or just plain sockpuppet self and then makes 18 total comments between sockpuppet and self.

Besides the flat out dishonesty of the post--Newbie etiquette question, my ass--it is just plain creepy. And talk about having time on one's hands. That is a vendetta so beyond incestuous that it's downright extra-dimensional. The mind reels.

Here's an oldbie etiquette question: What The Fuck, dhoyt ?
posted by y2karl at 1:21 PM on November 6, 2005

SeizeTheDay writes "people here are obsessed with being 'celebrities' and well-known, for obviously ego-driven reasons. They'll get that attention any way they can earn it, positive or negative."

I disagree, you just notice the "celebrities". Lots of us post with out any goal of fame and most of us are just part of the background. Conversely some , like Todd, are celebrities with out even trying.
posted by Mitheral at 1:40 PM on November 6, 2005

If you pay close attention, you'll notice that most people's comments are posted in white letters. My own comments, however, are actually made with miniature crushed diamonds (your monitor should sparkle slightly if you move your head while reading my posts. If it doesn't, you should take your monitor in for repairs).

This, of course, is because I am a wealthy celebrity who can afford embedding real diamonds in html code.
posted by Bugbread at 2:06 PM on November 6, 2005

Y2Karl: Are you sure that DHoyt, Jenleigh and Highsignal aren't all just sockpuppets for the trilateral commission? Or that maybe Highsignal is someone who just happens to know either one of them in real life? Or that Darren and Jennifer are pretty common names?
Of course, I'm sure that by mentioning that, I'll be drawn in as another level of Darren's mighty web... (Or maybe I'm Loquax's sockpuppet!)
posted by klangklangston at 2:11 PM on November 6, 2005

Someone needs to stop the vitriol...

Oh, oh I know! We could have an apology thread, where everyone who has been a dick can go to apologize and clean the slate. That's it!

Or maybe that wouldn't work.
posted by LarryC at 2:32 PM on November 6, 2005

Someone needs to stop the vitriol

Well, I'm not saying I'm on the high road here, but you will notice that when I mentioned noticing this pattern the first time, I didn't name any names.
posted by scarabic at 3:14 PM on November 6, 2005

"Y2Karl: Are you sure that DHoyt, Jenleigh and Highsignal aren't all just sockpuppets for the trilateral commission?"

No, that would be scarabic, who can't let a thread about "personal vendettas" go by without alluding to our mutual dislike, in this case dragging it into this thread first with the cutely disingenuous expedient of not insulting me by name. Of course that wanker wannabe was talking about me: who else around here is silly enough to waste time on that idiot?
posted by davy at 3:26 PM on November 6, 2005

why do we have to hate dhoyt for this? can't we just hate him for all those other times he's been a dildo?
posted by shmegegge at 3:30 PM on November 6, 2005

I am fairly certain that dhoyt is behind the Zionist doctor-assassin conspiracy.
posted by Krrrlson at 3:37 PM on November 6, 2005

Pretty common names and the same zip code, klangklangston ? Apart from that, bardic is linked to by both highsignal and dhoyt--not to mention coughDarrencough hall of robots. Perhaps bardic could enlighten us all as to which Darren is which. And did I mention that dhoyt wrote to me from highsignal's email recently ?

Isn't it in Lesson number 1 of The Idiots Guide To Kidnappers and Blackmailers For Dummies, where we are told never to use out real names or initials in out aliases ?
posted by y2karl at 3:57 PM on November 6, 2005

More time wastin'
posted by Bugbread at 3:59 PM on November 6, 2005

People around here are just too damn paranoid.

IMO, crap in one thread needs to stay in that thread.
posted by delmoi at 3:59 PM on November 6, 2005

y2: it seems to me that if I owned a sockpuppet I would not give it the same zipcode as myself...
posted by delmoi at 4:00 PM on November 6, 2005

Concensus and cooperation are over rated.
posted by Balisong at 5:03 PM on November 6, 2005

Actually, I did not get an email from dhoyt from highsignal's email. I did get one from dhoyt signed Darren, however.

Since I just got one from a Jennifer Leigh , I thought it would be interesting to forward that one and any I got from any Darren who might happen to write to me to a non-member friend of mine who knows about stuff like reverse DNS, IP tracing and such. And guess what--Darren just now wrote me.

I have no idea if Jennifer Tidwell and Jennifer Leigh are the same person but I am inclined to think that dhoyt and highsignal are. But only they, Matt and Jessamyn know for sure and know whether highsignal's callout of Matteo was made by a Darren other than Hoyt. If it was a sockpuppet callout, well, that is one for the books.

dhoyt is not Karl Potente. I suspect he is highsignal.

My name is on my profile. That is my real name. If you Google my real name and the city where I live, you find me. (I have a 4th cousin from Buffalo with the same first name who has it for a domain name)I listed my real name when I joined. In fact, I would have chosen Karl as my real name but--ironically--dhoyt owned that name at the time. I sometimes regret using my real name and can understand why some people choose to be anonymous.

So, I told a lie just now to draw out dhoyt. Call me a liar and hypocrite for doing so.

But, bottom line, there is one very real difference between dhoyt and I:

I am who I say I am.

I have used no aliases nor have I made any phony ass sock puppet callouts of someone with whom I have had a long running feud. There will always be that difference between us.
posted by y2karl at 5:03 PM on November 6, 2005

Karl, the only name I see on your profile is that of Yoshido Kenko, the 13th century Japanese monk-poet.
posted by LarryC at 5:19 PM on November 6, 2005

I like how you're trying to make a personal relationship you have with dhoyt everyone's business, y2karl.

Sadly, it seems that contrary to your beliefs that everyone here would suddenly lynch dhoyt, you've only uncovered an utter apathy most people have regarding this subject. Kudos at accomplishing nothing, except that perhaps you have a little too much time on your hands and showing people here, again, that you hold grudges for a lifetime.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 5:37 PM on November 6, 2005

*fap* *fap* *fap*
posted by graventy at 5:58 PM on November 6, 2005

y2karl, just drop it. I've been told that dhoyt's account has been hacked, and is now locked. So it could have been one of several people that posted about amberglow originally. update: actually, it doesn't seem like a hack after all, sorry y2karl.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:15 PM on November 6, 2005