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The Australian Election Thread
November 11, 2007 5:12 PM   Subscribe

Jimbob said "Yeah, keep this thread running. May it serve as an example to all the American politics nuts who insist on starting a new post every time Hillary takes a shit." And so that's just what we did. In an example of how I think Metafilter can do politics well, the Australian Politics thread, which started on October 14 (the date the election was called, which is not the first day of the campaign), ran for 30 days straight and (at time of writing) had amassed almost 600 comments. But as is the norm for an FPP after 30 days on the Blue, it's about to be closed so discussion has moved over to Thread #2, by wilful, to get us through to election day. An index of the first thread is inside, as well as kudos for those involved (because I think they deserve it).

It's a big thread, so to make it easy for everyone to navigate around it, here are some quick links to each day up until the thread was closed and what the major issues of the day were.

Day 1: The first day of the election proper saw the Governments promise huge tax cuts, which were the big issue for the day.
Day 2: The tax cuts were still the big issue.
Day 3: Still the tax cuts, but criticism of their potential effects on the economy were starting to surface.
Day 4: Still tax cuts, but analysis of election ads were also a big issue this day.
Day 5: The first Newspoll of the campaign and political reaction to The Chaser's 'Eulogy Song' were the big issues of the day.
Day 6: The Opposition released their tax plan late on Day 5, so Day 6 was focused largely on analysis of their tax policy.
Day 7: A pretty quiet day, but anticipation for the Leaders debate to be held that night was high.
Day 8: The leaders debate was itself debated, especially the furore surrounding the alleged censorship of The Worm.
Day 9: A new Newspoll that showed Labor surging ahead, but The Worm was still a big topic.
Day 10: Howard announces $4b worth of pork for seniors, and discussion turns once again to the tax cuts of Day 1.
Day 11: The release of the latest CPI figures revealed a forthcoming rates rise nightmare for the Government.
Day 12: The Government was still copping flack over the potential rate rise and a new Morgan poll showed surging support for Labor.
Day 13: Joe McDonald was expelled from the ALP, rates rises were still on the menu (but waning as an issue) and a new AC Nielsen poll echoed yesterday's Morgan.
Day 14: It was revealed Turnbull tried to get Cabinet to ratify Kyoto and that, along with the story of how the leak occurred, was making headlines this day.
Day 15: Interest rates made a small comeback, but environment issues were the focus of the day.
Day 16: Another Newspoll, this time with the Government gaining ground over Labor. The Treasurers debate happened; many people yawned.
Day 17: Tony Abbott's day from hell which saw him insult a dying man, turn up late for a national debate and caught swearing on camera.
Day 18: Another boring day, mostly focussed on Howard's $4b worth of bribes to seniors and how they'd vote for him because of it.
Day 19: At the halfway mark of the campaign, an e-mail suggests a conspiracy between the Government and the AFP against Dr. Haneef. Peter Garrett puts his foot in his mouth.
Day 20: The Government went into full attack mode over Peter Garrett's gaffe and Peter Andren MP, sadly, passed away.
Day 21: A second day of coverage on Garrett's gaffe, and the first time that Howard tried to paint an interest rate rise as a positive factor of his leadership.
Day 22: The Garrett gaffe had all but disappeared as voters and journos digested the latest Galaxy poll and Howard's change of heart on rates.
Day 23: The day of the Melbourne cup showed Howard closing the gap (by 1 point) in the latest Newspoll. FWIW, my horsie, Gallic, dropped out.
Day 24: As expected, this day saw the RBA raise interest rates, pushing mortgage rates to an 11-year high of 6.75 per cent.
Day 25: Interest rates, interest rates, interest rates, interest rates. Also, a debate about the environment. Did I mention interest rates?
Day 26: Interest rates again, lots of talk about Howard's non-apologetic apology, and former Labor leader Mark Latham returns from beyond the political grave.
Day 27: News came to light that half of all AWAs failed the Governments fairness test. Two new polls, with Morgan in particular giving Labor a massive lead.
Day 28: It was revealed that Julia Gillard had once been conned by a man she loved and the PM acknowledged that home repossessions were up since being re-elected in 2004.
Day 29: Today! The anniversary of the Whitlam Governments dismissal saw a new Newspoll with Labor gaining ground. The Liberals launched their campaign in Brisbane and spent up big.

A big shout out to UbuRovias, Jimbob and wilful, who were the biggest and most common contributors to the thread, but kudos to everyone who popped in for the thirty days the thread ran for to keep the thread alive and more importantly contribute, debate, discuss and dissect the happenings of the campaign so far. May it last for the rest of the campaign in the new thread! Come join us (Aussies in particular!). It's the future of your democracy, people!

And may these two threads serve as an example of how Metafilter can (I think) do politics well, especially when there is goodwill on all sides and a commitment from all participants to keep one thread on one political event alive, rather than starting a new thread every time a new development takes place.
posted by Effigy2000 to MetaFilter-Related at 5:12 PM (66 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite

Hillary took a shit?
posted by dhammond at 5:17 PM on November 11, 2007 [2 favorites]


Nice work, Effo.
posted by Wolof at 5:28 PM on November 11, 2007


You guys have elections down there? I thought Warden was a hereditary post.
posted by Plutor at 5:36 PM on November 11, 2007 [4 favorites]


I'm not sure what to think about this. My personal man-love for Metafilter has always been for the comments, not the links, mostly, but the discussion has always been supposed to be secondary to good links.

So, yay for good discussion, but new threads being created just to carry on an ongoing discussion... I don't know.

Sorry -- I don't mean to pee on any parades.

(Also, minor bug report -- Effigy2000's long summary is collapsed into a single block of text on preview.)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:48 PM on November 11, 2007


But stavros, we provide both good comments and good links. It's win win, man.

Thanks for the summary Effigy.
posted by wilful at 5:53 PM on November 11, 2007


Not complaining at all, wilful -- you latest post is a cracker. Just thinking out loud, I guess.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:56 PM on November 11, 2007


What is the physical sign of a kudos?
posted by liquorice at 5:59 PM on November 11, 2007


crumpling over clutching your nuts I think.
posted by wilful at 6:10 PM on November 11, 2007


What is the physical sign of a kudos?

I believe the literal, physical translation of kudos is accurately depicted by a delicious, yet ever shrinking, chocolate bar that to this day still blows my mind.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 6:15 PM on November 11, 2007 [2 favorites]


How on Earth did I miss that thread? It is pure awesome. Thanks for the heads up!
posted by cholly at 6:21 PM on November 11, 2007


[this was good]
posted by timeistight at 6:23 PM on November 11, 2007


> What is the physical sign of a kudos?

A dirty plate with no more beans.
posted by ardgedee at 6:32 PM on November 11, 2007 [1 favorite]


My favorite was that time the troll popped in and called it a literal wankfest, and Ubu invited him to be the soggy biscuit in the middle.
posted by web-goddess at 6:35 PM on November 11, 2007


(Literal? I meant "Labor." My brain thinks one thing and my fingers type another.)
posted by web-goddess at 6:36 PM on November 11, 2007


Uncanny came in and trolled late on Day 1 as well, and then we didn't see him until late on Day 26. I think his first entrance in the thread was pure trolling but his laater efforts were useful in that it did provide a strong alternate point of view to most of us in the thread.

I've been re-reading my summary of each day. It's interesting looking at the major events of the campaign in that light. It was tax cuts for the first week of the campaign, then the tax cuts were basically never heard from again as minor issues and eventually the interest rates rise took over.

You can almost see how the campaign turned against Howard.

Also; wilful. Your post today was awesome. I hadn't had the chance to say it yet but I think I should, because its cool. Are you going to do a daily update like I did or just go with the flow?
posted by Effigy2000 at 6:54 PM on November 11, 2007


dhammond: yes she did. And we covered it.
posted by flabdablet at 7:00 PM on November 11, 2007


I followed all the links from Effo's first post and bookmarked the ones I didn't already have. The thought that the thread might play out the way it did didn't even occur to me,so I pretty much left it there. Now I've favourited both of them and will make a point of dropping in for at least a read. Well done, all. (And both posts were pretty good in their own right too of course).
posted by GeckoDundee at 7:25 PM on November 11, 2007


You know, I don't want to pee in the pool either here, but I feel like as a one-time thing, this was a really nice effort but as a "this is what MetaFilter could be" example, it's really not where my personal heart lies. I don't think we do politics badly here, I mostly think we do American politics badly and this hasn't really done anything to change that. Ongoing topical areas that cover one particular topic are precisely what we say GYOB for. I'm in favor of telling people to update the thread with new information instead of posting UpdateFilter, but we have only moderate luck with that approach and certainly not enough to make it policy.

I also find it more than a little weird to call out your own thread for awesomeness in MeTa but maybe I'm just jealous that it's not summer here.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:36 PM on November 11, 2007


Maybe we Aussies should band together and e-mail Jess to ask for a sidebarrin'. Or maybe start a MeTa thread letting everyone know this thread is, after 9 days, still alive and kicking?
posted by Effigy2000 at 2:53 PM on October 23 [+] [!]

Are you really sure you want delmoi coming in here to write "Australia sucks"?
posted by Wolof at 3:02 PM on October 23 [2 favorites +] [!]

As an American, pretty much every other countries politics seems pretty banal, although Pakistan has been giving us a run for our money over the past few weeks.

Don't get the wrong Idea, I'm actually quite jealous.
posted by delmoi at 12:17 PM on November 12 [+] [!]
posted by UbuRoivas at 7:40 PM on November 11, 2007


Man sometimes Wolof is wise beyond all measure.
posted by gomichild at 7:43 PM on November 11, 2007


"I also find it more than a little weird to call out your own thread for awesomeness in MeTa but maybe I'm just jealous that it's not summer here."
posted by jessamyn at 1:36 PM on November 12

I don't consider it my thread. It belongs to everyone who joined in there and kept it alive for 30 days. I thought that that was awesome and the people involved deserved congratulations for their sustained 30 day effort.

Perhaps I'll agree with you though that it may be a bit of a stretch to say that the thread was an example of what Metafilter could be. Perhaps I'm just too much of an idealist to think political-update-filter could be a thing of the past if everyone decided to play from the same guidebook.
posted by Effigy2000 at 7:51 PM on November 11, 2007


Now I'm happily on the outer here, not giving too much of a bugger about what's happening on the political front. But this particular thread feels to me a bit like raising the finger at a lot of people of the dominant species on this forum, the majority of whom don't participate in the usual political threads.

That's not to say I haven't skimmed bits and pieces that I've noticed in the recent activity page and was thankful for having done so and also grateful to see some of you guys continuing the vigil. But if it had been me with so much invested in the continuation of the discussion, I think I would have emailed one of the Holy Trinity and asked for an extension on the 30 days and gone on my way.

It's not a competition. And well, I think you maybe overestimate the magnitude of potential interest among the rest of the people on this site. That's a lot of work you put in just hammering this thread together and I sort of wonder whether it's going to have been worth it after all. Oh well. Enjoy, I guess.
posted by peacay at 8:00 PM on November 11, 2007


I should note that, apart from Uncanny (who assures us hangs as far to the left as Fidel Castro's willy) that thread is a bit of a left-wing echo chamber. But shit, judging by the opinion polls, Australia is a bit of a left-voting echo chamber at the moment, so I guess we're representative.
posted by Jimbob at 8:01 PM on November 11, 2007


Hott 4 Hillary

Wake me up when Australia produces you tube videos extolling the virtues of various candidates in the most sexually suggestive manner possible.
posted by delmoi at 8:11 PM on November 11, 2007


effigy, i can't do daily updates (and besides, you've done a sterling job there), I'm still supposed to be studying for another fortnight.
posted by wilful at 8:19 PM on November 11, 2007


But shit, judging by the opinion polls, Australia is a bit of a left-voting echo chamber at the moment, so I guess we're representative.

This makes me happy, especially after what happened in Canada last time 'round. Australia's a very close second in my heart after the Great White North.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:21 PM on November 11, 2007


I salute you marvellous Australians from across the Tasman sea, and agree that this is a far better approach. I am so filled with loathing for the current American government that my blood could probably be refined and used as an anti-Republican vaccine, but I am heartily sick of the weak and frequent American politics posts.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 8:22 PM on November 11, 2007


Hillary took a shit?

No, her staff paid for it after the event with a check.
posted by geos at 8:24 PM on November 11, 2007 [1 favorite]


I don't consider it my thread. It belongs to everyone who joined in there and kept it alive for 30 days.

All but one of the links in your self-congratulatory MetaTalk post about a post that you made lead to comments you posted. If this really wasn't just an excuse to stroke yourself, why not link to good posts that other people made?
posted by cmonkey at 8:35 PM on November 11, 2007


Effigy was running that shit man - he's just linking to the daily summary posts he made at some ungodly hour of the morning each day.
posted by Jimbob at 8:37 PM on November 11, 2007


Don't worry cmonkey, we're all stroking him too. Now, somebody lash down UncannyH for some soggy biscuit.
posted by wilful at 9:14 PM on November 11, 2007


Hey, have you guys noticed that pachyderm eyeing the stereo?

The thread is only going that smoothly because nobody gives half a crap about Australian politics.

Now, what do I win?
posted by Reggie Digest at 10:12 PM on November 11, 2007


Now, what do I win?

I don't know. Do you like Sao biscuits?
posted by Wolof at 10:14 PM on November 11, 2007


The thread is only going that smoothly because nobody gives half a crap about Australian politics.

We've found delmoi's sockpuppet.
posted by Jimbob at 10:16 PM on November 11, 2007


I prefer Tim Tams.

Heyyyy, wait a minute.....
posted by Reggie Digest at 10:16 PM on November 11, 2007


delmoi's sockpuppet

Ew!!! Simple differentiation: I know how to spell words like college and to.
posted by Reggie Digest at 10:21 PM on November 11, 2007


Well we've found someone's sockpuppet.
posted by Effigy2000 at 10:41 PM on November 11, 2007


Effigy: Nope. It's actually me, Reggie Digest, being a wholly independent buttmunch. Anyway.

Scraping...shit...from...thread....


Way to go, Australia, on your awesome 600 comment internet discussion that didn't devolve into a fight to the death over the relative sizes of Captain Picard's and Captain Janeway's genitalia. You sure showed us.
posted by Reggie Digest at 11:04 PM on November 11, 2007


Highlighting a thread because it's useful is one thing, but do you have to be so smug about it.
posted by seanyboy at 11:50 PM on November 11, 2007


I agree with jessamyn.
posted by Kwine at 11:54 PM on November 11, 2007


i also agree with jessamyn.

(hey, when you see a conga line forming, what else would you do?)
posted by UbuRoivas at 12:06 AM on November 12, 2007


Become a suckhole?
posted by wilful at 12:58 AM on November 12, 2007


This thread is useless without links to actual psephological analysis from ABC.

Additionally, I agree with jessamyn.
posted by the cydonian at 1:11 AM on November 12, 2007


I agree with jessamyn as a matter of principle. But we've been waiting 11 years to shift these suckholes on; perhaps we could be indulged for confining it to two threads?
posted by Wolof at 1:16 AM on November 12, 2007


Metawank at its finest. I'd give you a gold star, but you might stick it up your arse and tell everybody it's the Sun...

wilful: you left out a suitable link.
posted by Pinback at 2:16 AM on November 12, 2007


I disagree with jessamyn; I think she secretly enjoyed peeing in the pool.
posted by Abiezer at 2:59 AM on November 12, 2007


peeing in the pool

I agree with Abiezer. It warms up the wetsuit and makes the butts soggy and hard to light.
posted by Wolof at 4:13 AM on November 12, 2007


But then there's those cunning bastards these days that put that chemical in that turns blue if you enjoy a little light relief. Er, so I've heard, that is.
posted by Abiezer at 4:32 AM on November 12, 2007


Reggie Digest: "Simple differentiation: I know how to spell words like college..."

What do you have against decoupage?

"Did you mean: delhi college". No, Google, I did not.
posted by Plutor at 5:31 AM on November 12, 2007


Since there seem to be some good 'nun jokes' around these parts, there gotta' be a few funny 'Australian jokes'. Right, mates?
posted by ericb at 11:21 AM on November 12, 2007


What did one Australian say to the other?

"G'day, fellow deported convict."

Tip your waitress!
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:10 PM on November 12, 2007


Is that something I'd have to be American to understand? (considering that the majority of us are descended from free migrants and refugees, especially post-WW2).

And we give our waitsheilas bewdy bonza tips, even though they actually make a decent base hourly rate.
posted by UbuRoivas at 1:55 PM on November 12, 2007


What did one American say to the other?

"Hail fellow puritan. You're looking distinctly non-Popist today"

Give your waitron minimum wage!
posted by wilful at 2:04 PM on November 12, 2007 [6 favorites]


Gah, and UbuRoivas wins it.
posted by wilful at 8:44 PM on November 13, 2007


no surprise there. i have the last say in more threads than perhaps anybody else here.

the secret is to keep commenting until COB aussie time. the septic tanks are all asleep by that stage.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:49 PM on November 13, 2007


Convict! Deportee!
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:26 PM on November 13, 2007


of course, the tweakers stay up all night week.
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:47 PM on November 13, 2007


We Aussies may 'all' be descendants of convicts and deportees but you Americans are 'all' descendants of genocidal maniacs.

You tell me which is worse.

;)
posted by Effigy2000 at 10:45 PM on November 13, 2007


By that account, I - as an American-Australian - am the worst.

THANKS.
posted by web-goddess at 3:45 AM on November 14, 2007


I have a criminal forebear who was landed in Oz in 1809.

Hide your jumbucks, Mefites, I like woolly jumpers and racks of lamb.
posted by Wolof at 4:19 AM on November 14, 2007


You tell me which is worse.

Well, I can tell you who'd win in a fight, anyway.

*sharpens lawnmower blades, buys black-pharma futures*
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:54 AM on November 14, 2007


By that account, I - as an American-Australian - am the worst.

THANKS.


Thanks?!?!??

I think the word you are looking for is actually "SORRY".

(for the Tasmanian Aboriginals, you know...)
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:05 PM on November 14, 2007


Guys, I can't help but feel that the lesson we tried to impart with the Aussie Politics Thread has been lost on all these writers strike FPPs.

Maybe it really was all in vain...

...



I mean, there's two alone today!
posted by Effigy2000 at 11:53 PM on November 15, 2007


I'd comment, but am holding out for a share of the digital revenues.
posted by Wolof at 2:08 AM on November 16, 2007


writers' strike?

fucking unions.
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:20 AM on November 16, 2007


For future reference and to wrap things up here, Howard lost.

HUZZAH!
posted by Effigy2000 at 12:26 AM on November 25, 2007


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