Blazecock related iPad overflow

January 29, 2010 10:25 AM

Blazecock Pileon's relentless browbeating of anyone who is not a cheerleader for Apple and general bad behaviour whenever Microsoft is mentioned in the iPad thread and others is becoming increasingly tiresome.

We sort of got into a discussion of this inthread, which was rightly deleted, but it's coming up again with other users. It seems better that we take any fights here instead.

posted by Artw to Etiquette/Policy at 10:25 AM (173 comments total)

Mac/PC/Linux threads are what I would imagine political threads would look like if there were more Republicans here.
posted by smackfu at 10:29 AM on January 29, 2010 [25 favorites]

Hey, no fair, viable third party!
posted by Artw at 10:30 AM on January 29, 2010 [6 favorites]

Can we get your deleted comments in here, Artw?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:31 AM on January 29, 2010

Just for everyone's benefit.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:31 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I missed the deleted comments, but I'm not sure this post is necessary. As someone who had my say about BP's position in that thread, I think things were going reasonably well. BP was not the only person who was either stridently supporting the iPad, or doing the opposite.

I wish he would cool out a bit because I think his argument suffers when he gets his back up, but I think this MeTa seems a bit punitive.
posted by OmieWise at 10:32 AM on January 29, 2010

It's always been surprising to me that nominal anti-corporate-control-of-the-public-sphere liberals love Apple so much. FOSS is really the only coherent position for them to take. But my attempt at broaching that topic on dkos once was....disappointing.
posted by DU at 10:32 AM on January 29, 2010

Maybe you kids should take it to memail.


Just for everyone's benefit.
posted by found missing at 10:33 AM on January 29, 2010 [9 favorites]

I generally like BP but I guess I'd say that BP, you don;t have to rebut everyone and you make really disingenuous statements and rhetorical questions instead of just being straightforward. I get where you're coming from (sometimes) but other times it just seems like you're griefing. People are irrational and hypocritical. Why you feel compelled to correct humanity in Apple-related threads is an odd choice and no more likely to succeed than in any other forum.

Also, in fairness, I posted waaaaaaaaay too much in that thread. So if this is the pot lecturing the kettle, so be it.
posted by GuyZero at 10:33 AM on January 29, 2010

Sorry, I mispoke there. BP, you sometimes make disingenuous statements. It's a small minority of the comments you make but they seem out of character to me, in so far as I really have no idea anything about you.
posted by GuyZero at 10:35 AM on January 29, 2010

I think this MeTa seems a bit punitive.

So that we're clear, Artw called me a "dick", I asked him to stay classy, and he then called someone else a dick, as well, for reasons unspecified. Then Cortex thankfully deleted our comments. That was about the extent of our exchange, to my knowledge.

I'm not sure what else Artw wants to call me, but we're here in Metatalk, I guess?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:35 AM on January 29, 2010

I didn't post in that thread because it looked as if I'd get shouted down. Sometimes, it's just not worth the argument to participate around here.
posted by zarq at 10:35 AM on January 29, 2010 [7 favorites]

I think I called you a dick then apologized for it. So, yay me.
posted by GuyZero at 10:36 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I hate it when spouses fight.
posted by The Whelk at 10:37 AM on January 29, 2010 [11 favorites]

That was nice of you, GuyZero. I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge it there.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:37 AM on January 29, 2010

Linux... pftt Sure Throw your vote away

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posted by French Fry at 10:38 AM on January 29, 2010 [4 favorites]

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posted by French Fry at 10:38 AM on January 29, 2010

This is what it sounds like when doves cry:


Coo-hoo! Coo-hoo!
posted by Mister_A at 10:39 AM on January 29, 2010 [19 favorites]

Oh yeah, that's just what we need, you and me spitting at each other, then making up, then starting again... some sort of goddamn nerd mating ritual.
posted by GuyZero at 10:39 AM on January 29, 2010

I missed the deleted comments, but I'm not sure this post is necessary.

I'd be perfectly happy to see this post stand empty in start testament to it's unnecessary nature if the Blazecock Vs People-Who-Don't-Love-Apple-Enough stuff dies out in that thread. If we could not have any frothing at the mouth anytime someone mentions Microsoft in other posts that would be cool too, but I wouldn't really be expecting that.
posted by Artw at 10:40 AM on January 29, 2010

aw man. not sure about this meta. I mean, yeah the cheerleading on either side gets out of hand whenever we have one of these threads, but I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done about it.
posted by shmegegge at 10:40 AM on January 29, 2010

FOSS is really the only coherent position for them to take.

What does FOSS mean?
posted by OmieWise at 10:40 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

That whole thread has kind of sucked for needless arguing. Worst of the techie/platform/brand/etc argumentativeness. Nothing insane, but not great metafilter either.

The exchange between BP and Artw that I nixed was dumb, and Artw, you really should not go down the calling-someone-a-prick road in the first place, but both of you are responsible for it going past that first comment being flagged and otherwise ignored, and BP, I'm getting really tired of having to clean up pointless snipe-fests between you and whoever you can't just FIAMO on any given day. You both need to work on that shit.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what we're doing here. Does this need to stay open? Is there something people actually want or need to discuss?
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:41 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

It's always been surprising to me that nominal anti-corporate-control-of-the-public-sphere liberals love Apple so much. FOSS is really the only coherent position for them to take.

It's not a dichotomy: There's a spectrum between total corporate control of the public sphere, and a public sphere that feels like a Linux app. You can be anti-corporate-control and still not want the dissolution of corporations and the profit motive.
posted by bonaldi at 10:42 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

No one's asked about my children lately.
posted by GuyZero at 10:42 AM on January 29, 2010 [4 favorites]

Yeah, BP was pretty far from the most relentless Applestasi in that thread, at least the 400 and some comments I made it through before deciding I had better things to do (like work, ahem). On the other hand, Apple sucks.

Also, wtf is a "freetard"?
posted by adamdschneider at 10:42 AM on January 29, 2010

What does FOSS mean?

Free Open Source Software. wikipedia on the specifics.
posted by shmegegge at 10:42 AM on January 29, 2010

I've always been somewhat mystified by BP's "passion" for Apple and how they can do no wrong but being a hardcore fan isn't really wrong, is it?

BP's made the choice to reply to every criticism to Apple made here but I'm not sure why other people are making the choice to answer each and every of his rebuttals knowing that he's never going to change his mind.
posted by Memo at 10:43 AM on January 29, 2010

I posted in that thread for a bit and then it just became tiresome to read. I don't mind having a discussion with a user about the usability/viability of a particular feature in a particular operating system, but when it turns out that the user had never even used the operating system and was just talking out of his ass I just gave up.

As far as responding to anything that Blazecock, Artw or Rory Marinich in that thread, that's just a zero sum game laden with frustration and swift keyboard-to-head-plant moments. Why even bother?
posted by eyeballkid at 10:44 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Is there something people actually want or need to discuss?

Our feelings about Caprica?
posted by The Whelk at 10:44 AM on January 29, 2010 [7 favorites]

I wonder if the Elysian is properly outfitted with a 20' high cyclone fence cage.
posted by nickjadlowe at 10:44 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'm not sure why other people are making the choice to answer each and every of his rebuttals knowing that he's never going to change his mind.

BECAUSE HE MUST BE FORCED TO BE MORE EASYGOING LIKE THE REST OF US
posted by GuyZero at 10:45 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Our feelings about Caprica?

The pilot was promising. Hope the show holds up.
posted by eyeballkid at 10:45 AM on January 29, 2010

Our feelings about Caprica?

The effects were good, but the story is a little disappointing.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:46 AM on January 29, 2010

It bored the ass off of me for 20 minutes and then i turned it off. It's all the bad bits of Galactica, with added teenagers and VR Rave.
posted by Artw at 10:46 AM on January 29, 2010

It's no Space: 1999, that's for sure.
posted by Mister_A at 10:49 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

How's the kids, GuyZero?
posted by rtha at 10:50 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

As Physics is to Space:1999 Computer Science is to BSG and spin-offs.
posted by Artw at 10:50 AM on January 29, 2010

Is this the right thread to say how ridiculous I thought it was that Denzel Washington had a working pre-touch iPod after 30+ years of living in the wasteland? Cause that was ridiculous.
posted by adamdschneider at 10:51 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

As Physics is to Space:1999 Computer Science is to BSG and spin-offs.

The colon in this analogy really made me confused when I tried to parse it.
posted by OmieWise at 10:52 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

s this the right thread to say how ridiculous I thought it was that Denzel Washington had a working pre-touch iPod after 30+ years of living in the wasteland? Cause that was ridiculous.

just want to pre-emptively ask that people avoid spoilers for that movie, as it's on my to-see list, but I haven't seen it yet.
posted by shmegegge at 10:52 AM on January 29, 2010

Denzel takes care of his equipment. He's very meticulous!
posted by Mister_A at 10:52 AM on January 29, 2010

Space-offers they can't space-refuse. I'm only sticking around for more "My Daughter The Unstoppable Killing Machine."
posted by The Whelk at 10:53 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

How's the kids, GuyZero?

They're OK, need more salt. I'd go with the veal instead.

*rimshot*

I'm here all week.
posted by GuyZero at 10:53 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Our feelings about Caprica?

Didn't watch it. Has anyone watched Spartacus: Blood and Sand?

It looks like Legend of the Seeker with more nudity, which sounds awesome to me.
posted by Think_Long at 10:53 AM on January 29, 2010

Wait I meant fastidious!
posted by Mister_A at 10:53 AM on January 29, 2010

Folks might want to drink bottled water around MeFiLand until the EPA can get in here to check on what got into the wells.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:53 AM on January 29, 2010

I was looking forward to seeing BP's comments in the knob thread, and was really disappointed when he didn't show up.

Do you think that warrants a seperate call out, or can I call him out for it here?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 10:54 AM on January 29, 2010

I'll pretty much take anything with more nudity, except The Biggest Loser.
posted by Mister_A at 10:54 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'm posting this using a punchcard-based OS. What is this Macintosh we're debating?
posted by Salvor Hardin at 10:54 AM on January 29, 2010

The only thing I know about Spatacus: Blood & Sand is that it apparently has lots of gay gladiator sex.

Which is, really, the only thing I need to know about it.
posted by The Whelk at 10:54 AM on January 29, 2010

And the situation room
posted by Think_Long at 10:55 AM on January 29, 2010

Space-offers they can't space-refuse.

this reminds me. I was watching one of my favorite Futurama events last night, the one with the planet of only 15 foot tall amazon women. And the amazons are ruled by a "Femputer." which, spoilers aside, is a female computer. And in classic Futurama fashion, she stuck with the port-manteau all episode.

THAT DOES NOT FEMPUTE!
posted by shmegegge at 10:55 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Spartacus was like 300 with fewer production values, poorer acting, and less plot.
posted by JeffK at 10:55 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

DERAIL ACCOMPLISHED
posted by Think_Long at 10:56 AM on January 29, 2010 [5 favorites]

Also, it needed more gay elf sex.
posted by JeffK at 10:58 AM on January 29, 2010

I just want to know how to get my brain into one of those sexy cylon bodies. So I'll keep watching.
posted by greekphilosophy at 10:58 AM on January 29, 2010

What is this Macintosh we're debating?

Apples. They're comparing Apples and SNORANGES, amirite?
posted by Sys Rq at 10:58 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I was looking forward to seeing BP's comments in the knob thread, and was really disappointed when he didn't show up.

How the hell did I miss that? Peter, come here and kiss me, you devil.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:58 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

omg that is so ridiculous
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:00 AM on January 29, 2010

kitty bus!

cortex reflects my sentiments pretty well. The flagging. The moving on. They help. Use them.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:00 AM on January 29, 2010

It's not gay if it's with an elf.
posted by The Whelk at 11:01 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Blazecock Pileon's relentless browbeating of anyone who is not a cheerleader for Apple and general bad behaviour whenever Microsoft is mentioned in the iPad thread and others is becoming increasingly tiresome.

I find it hilarious and entertaining as does is any MS is guilty rubbish and forces you to do this and that.
posted by juiceCake at 11:02 AM on January 29, 2010

You're all nerds. It's ok. How about a topic change?

*pulls card randomly from the deck*

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Second Edition.
posted by loquacious at 11:09 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

just want to pre-emptively ask that people avoid spoilers for that movie, as it's on my to-see list, but I haven't seen it yet.

Oh, man, I'm sorry. :-/ I didn't even consider that tidbit as a possible spoiler.

I guess I won't tell you about the part where he finds the Statue of Liberty.
posted by adamdschneider at 11:10 AM on January 29, 2010

jessamyn: cortex reflects my sentiments pretty well. The flagging. The moving on. They help. Use them

Didn't someone redo the British-PSA-poster thing with the "FLAG and MOVE ON" sentiment? Anyone have linkage to that?
posted by MikeHarris at 11:10 AM on January 29, 2010

I repeat my previous comment.
posted by The Whelk at 11:11 AM on January 29, 2010

Wait a minute, you've got an Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Ed2 in playing card format?

You are a real TableTop Hacker.
posted by Think_Long at 11:11 AM on January 29, 2010

A Dog Ate A Egg
posted by Damn That Television at 11:11 AM on January 29, 2010

Anytime I see ANYONE who is responding to just about anything and browbeating his/her point rather than allowing others who may also share their views to contribute to the discussion, I just mark it in my mind as "oh, they are too invested in Being Right". It's one of the best lessons I've learned here on MetaFilter, actually. Because making sure that you're Being Right is not always the same thing as having a quality discussion, and in a text medium, it's not necessary to repeat one's point, because it hasn't just evaporated into the ether. That realization has also affected my own posting patterns quite a bit, I think.
posted by hippybear at 11:14 AM on January 29, 2010 [12 favorites]

cortex reflects my sentiments pretty well. The flagging. The moving on. They help. Use them.

Shrugs. If the existence of this thread keeps that other thread relatively less stupid I stand by it. If a miracle occurs and we don't get Blazecock doing naked cartwheels and jumping up shouting "M$ SUX!" next time Silverlight is mentioned then doubly so (not holding out much hope).

And I'm sorry, but the attack on another user that Blazecock championed was particularly vile, which makes me less inclined to let his usual routine pass than usual.
posted by Artw at 11:14 AM on January 29, 2010

*pulls card randomly from the deck*

Oh! Oh! oh! Can we totally get a Metafilter Blank White Cards game going? Have a group blog people can submit cards too? Think of the meetup Ice-breaker potential!
posted by The Whelk at 11:14 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I didn't even consider that tidbit as a possible spoiler.

it wasn't, if you're talking about the ipod thing. I was asking in pre-emption because I was concerned that maybe someone would then chime in like "I know, right! and what about when it turned out the Book of Eli was actually a psychic dog!" and then I'd be upset.
posted by shmegegge at 11:19 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Also I should add the standard disclaimer that on most other subjects I think BP is fairly reasonable, would happily have drinks with, blah blah blah.
posted by Artw at 11:20 AM on January 29, 2010

the attack on another user that Blazecock championed was particularly vile

So start a post about that, instead of calling me a dick and starting a Metatalk thread, because you're upset about your comments being deleted.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:20 AM on January 29, 2010

Our feelings about Caprica?

Awful? BSG for emo teens? I didn't care for it but those that did, enjoy.
posted by juiceCake at 11:21 AM on January 29, 2010

when it turned out the Book of Eli was actually a psychic dog!

so you have seen it??
posted by French Fry at 11:22 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Spartacus was like 300 with fewer production values, poorer acting, and less plot.

I blame Kirk Douglas.
posted by shakespeherian at 11:25 AM on January 29, 2010

children.

it's a bunch of consumer electronics, FFS. how people get worked up about this stuff is beyond me.
posted by modernnomad at 11:28 AM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

We are all using these consumer electronics at this very moment!
posted by smackfu at 11:30 AM on January 29, 2010

I hate it when spouses fight.

please won't someone think of the children?
posted by Lutoslawski at 11:31 AM on January 29, 2010

So start a post about that, instead of calling me a dick and starting a Metatalk thread, because you're upset about your comments being deleted.

Jesus christ. He didn't just create the meta about his comments getting deleted. he created it about comments like these:

That would be the only explanation for a comment so laughably ignorant and stuck in the 1980s.
but keep being smug about being ignorant.
Or you can stop whining like a baby and go like something else!
You will have a legitimate right to behave like the smarmy jerk you are when Apple does begin to have and wield that power, though.

now, people were being as rude if not worse to you, true. but two wrongs don't make a right, etc...

on the other hand, ArtW, cortex already mentioned the kind of poor taste involved in calling people dicks in the first place, so this meta is kinda... meh.

seriously, you guys should give some serious consideration to chilling out. and not like "I should give a calmer demeanor and passive aggressively insult the people I disagree with" chilling out. more like "I should stop taking shit so personally in the first place and stop wanting to call people names in the first place" chilling out.
posted by shmegegge at 11:33 AM on January 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

So, can the iPad use Silverlight? That'd be pretty slick.
posted by Loto at 11:34 AM on January 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

Sorry shmegegge, it's all about genre TV and gay gladiators now.
posted by The Whelk at 11:35 AM on January 29, 2010

The continuous misrepresentation would be another factor, yes.
posted by Artw at 11:35 AM on January 29, 2010

There was an iPad thread?
posted by Obscure Reference at 11:36 AM on January 29, 2010

I put my iPad in my coffee. It tastes like burning.*

* please note, I do not have an iPad, and I don't drink coffee.
posted by blue_beetle at 11:38 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

now, people were being as rude if not worse to you, true

Okay, fair enough.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:39 AM on January 29, 2010

"Son, no one gives a shit about all the things your cell phone does. You didn't invent it, you just bought it. Anybody can do that."
posted by electroboy at 11:39 AM on January 29, 2010 [9 favorites]

Just in case there are people on the earth who have not seen this.
posted by The Whelk at 11:40 AM on January 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

Spartacus was like 300 with fewer production values, poorer acting, and less plot.

Exactly. But Xena fans may be pleased that Lucy Lawless takes her kit off (NSFW).
posted by homunculus at 11:42 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

smackfu >Mac/PC/Linux threads are what I would imagine political threads would look like if there were more Republicans here.

I disagree, but I'm not sure why anymore.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:43 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Vera Wang.
posted by nickmark at 11:50 AM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Oh, wait - crap.
posted by nickmark at 11:50 AM on January 29, 2010

MikeHarris: jessamyn: cortex reflects my sentiments pretty well. The flagging. The moving on. They help. Use them

Didn't someone redo the British-PSA-poster thing with the "FLAG and MOVE ON" sentiment? Anyone have linkage to that?

( ... seriously, the top link is to a Flickr private page, and the Google Images, they do nothing! ... )
posted by MikeHarris at 11:51 AM on January 29, 2010

> I'm posting this using a punchcard-based OS. What is this Macintosh we're debating?
> posted by Salvor Hardin at 1:54 PM on January 29 [+] [!]

I use that sweet little OS that Doom loaded when it overwrote DOS.
posted by jfuller at 11:52 AM on January 29, 2010

This interchange between Artw and GuyZero is the least edifying thing I've read all day.
posted by Jaltcoh at 11:53 AM on January 29, 2010

From here, MikeHarris. That lead flickr link works for me, if it's private there's not much to do for it I guess.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:55 AM on January 29, 2010

Man, and I got straght A's in Edification in school too.
posted by GuyZero at 11:55 AM on January 29, 2010

Has anybody been seen wearing an iPad around their neck like Flavor Flav and that clock? Cause that'd be neat.
posted by jonmc at 12:04 PM on January 29, 2010 [17 favorites]

Please dispose of this thread using the receptacle provided.
posted by gman at 12:11 PM on January 29, 2010

cortex: From here, MikeHarris. That lead flickr link works for me, if it's private there's not much to do for it I guess

Yup, no go here. I'll see if matthewdidthat will unprivatize it ...
posted by MikeHarris at 12:11 PM on January 29, 2010

Hey, dortmunder just called me a prick as well, but you don't see me getting all prissy about it.

That's because I was being a prick.
posted by yhbc at 12:14 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I was able to view the jawn.
posted by Mister_A at 12:24 PM on January 29, 2010

It would be nice if people could just put some extra effort into (a) not being pricks and (b) not calling each other pricks, basically.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:29 PM on January 29, 2010 [5 favorites]

I use that sweet little OS that Doom loaded when it overwrote DOS.

DOS4GW repraZENT!
posted by shmegegge at 12:34 PM on January 29, 2010

You can prick your friends, but you can't friend your prick.

Wait ...
posted by Bookhouse at 12:39 PM on January 29, 2010

The only reason I like the iPad is because it's reminds me of the data pads from Star Trek, and I'm a horrible, terrible nerd. If you bought an iPad and tricked it out with a Starfleet theme? SWEEEET.

I have no opinion on the fighty-ness. New gadget posts, especially Cult of Apple ones, bring out a lot of cock waving and peeing in the corners by all the dicks on site.
posted by FunkyHelix at 12:40 PM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

if BP edited a Wikipedia article to read "Wikipedia sucks" and then Artw edited the Apple article to read "Macs are for dumb babbys" the universe would swallow itself
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:41 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Never a rose without the prick.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:41 PM on January 29, 2010

but you can't friend your prick.

I've been trying for years now.
posted by The Whelk at 12:41 PM on January 29, 2010

Has anybody been seen wearing an iPad around their neck like Flavor Flav and that clock? Cause that'd be neat.

With a slideshow of different clocks, ties, cleavage, chest hair...and it'd be like Kindle for graphic T-shirts. You'd never have to buy a hard copy again.
posted by sageleaf at 12:47 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I like the iPad is because it's reminds me of the data pads from Star Trek

THIS

People running the LCARS app is going to be a part of every TNG-era trek costume now.
posted by nomisxid at 12:47 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

the LCARS app

*singletear* Oh. That... that's just beautiful.
posted by FunkyHelix at 12:50 PM on January 29, 2010

Has anybody been seen wearing an iPad around their neck like Flavor Flav and that clock? Cause that'd be neat.

I have now.
posted by gman at 12:51 PM on January 29, 2010

Has anybody been seen wearing an iPad around their neck like Flavor Flav and that clock?

Which should obviously running that 7-hour train ride video.
posted by hippybear at 12:56 PM on January 29, 2010

I have now.

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posted by hippybear at 12:58 PM on January 29, 2010

Also since this is a thread about BP I would like to ask BP to re-enable his MeFi mail so we can talk about stuff, u know, just chill and whatnot
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:58 PM on January 29, 2010

I have now.

AccessDeniedRequest has

Shit. Try this.
posted by gman at 1:00 PM on January 29, 2010

To sum up MeTa recently.
posted by shakespeherian at 1:03 PM on January 29, 2010 [5 favorites]

cortex: "Worst of the techie/platform/brand/etc argumentativeness... not great metafilter"

I agree with the first part. I disagree with the second part.
posted by Joe Beese at 1:04 PM on January 29, 2010

I don't get why people who hate any/all Apple products on spec even bother tramping all over a thread that's by definition all about a new Apple product. Same could be applied to a new MS announcement or a new Linux device or whatever.

I don't go into threads about bands I hate and make fun of them, you know?
posted by rokusan at 1:21 PM on January 29, 2010

Because someone eventually says "you'd have to be an idiot to not want to buy this". And that leads where you would think.
posted by smackfu at 1:23 PM on January 29, 2010

To sum up MeTa recently.

It would be better if the photo used Crab 2.0™.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:24 PM on January 29, 2010

I don't get why people who hate any/all Apple products on spec even bother tramping all over a thread that's by definition all about a new Apple product.

There weren't really Apple haters in there. I suspect everyone who was critical of apple, even when overly so, were people who own ipods/iphones/mac computers. I think there's a point where you sort of degrade into sterner talk than you originally intended because you're faced with a level of denial that frustrates you. so something like "I'm not fond of apple's policy regarding 3rd party apps in the app store" becomes "apple is mussolini-esque in their fascist control of the app delivery pipeline." it's not rational, but it's understandable.
posted by shmegegge at 1:25 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

also:
I don't go into threads about bands I hate and make fun of them, you know?

I see what you did, there.
posted by shmegegge at 1:26 PM on January 29, 2010

becomes "apple is mussolini-esque in their fascist control of the app delivery pipeline."

It's like when Scott Roeder equated his murder victim Dr. Tiller with Joseph Stalin, which requires a fairly ridiculous kind of thought process.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:32 PM on January 29, 2010

There weren't really Apple haters in there.

Well, you can kind of see where this comes from in the Flash question in AskMe. Lots of ok answers, and then someone says "Since all your previous responses here are drinking the Apple Kool-Aid" and now someone added a response to that. Now, this is AskMe, so the derail will probably be deleted, but all it takes is that little thing to spiral out of control.
posted by smackfu at 1:32 PM on January 29, 2010

rokusan, a lot of the people complaining about the iPad in that thread actually like Apple products.
posted by me & my monkey at 1:41 PM on January 29, 2010

For the record, making a comparison between folks who make overblown arguments about consumer electronics design decisions and a guy who murdered someone in church is also less-than-stellar argumentation.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:41 PM on January 29, 2010 [5 favorites]

becomes "apple is mussolini-esque in their fascist control of the app delivery pipeline."

All I said was something about trains running on time. Sheesh.
posted by GuyZero at 1:43 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

*counts out correct change, buys all the mods an RC Cola*
posted by nola at 1:45 PM on January 29, 2010

just one?
posted by The Whelk at 1:45 PM on January 29, 2010

We're in A RECESSION, WELK!

I'm sorry for shouting . . . we're in a recession.
posted by nola at 1:48 PM on January 29, 2010

and we can't afford H's!
posted by The Whelk at 1:52 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

less-than-stellar argumentation

Less-than-stellar argumentation is making an analogy that Steve Jobs had his hand in killing millions of people, which seems an obviously ridiculous analogy to make. But that's just me, I guess.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:53 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

WE can't afford H's
posted by Elmore at 1:53 PM on January 29, 2010

and we can't afford H's!


We used to could but tat was beore I pawned a ew keys rom my keyboard.
posted by nola at 1:56 PM on January 29, 2010

Anyway, my unreserved apologies to all for bringing Dr. Tiller's tragic murder into this thread. I've been reading about his defense today and the Stalin aspect of it brought out the GRAR in me. That kind of rhetoric we can all do without. Apologies.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:58 PM on January 29, 2010

s/his/Roeder/
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:59 PM on January 29, 2010

I like Pink Ladies, but I also like Granny Smiths.
posted by Elmore at 2:06 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Has anybody been seen wearing an iPad around their neck like Flavor Flav and that clock? Cause that'd be neat.

I have now.

Good man. The next step is for somebody to have one implanted in their belly screen out, like a fucking Teletubby.
posted by jonmc at 2:08 PM on January 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

Look, comparisons to fascism and totalitarian in technology goes a long, ironic way back.
posted by pwnguin at 2:13 PM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Not to doubt Flava Flav's horology skills, but wouldn't his clock be easier for him to read if it were the other way up?

So my favouriet response to the iTab so far has to be on the io9 futurology link, where one of the comments basically says "Well if you don't like this tablet why don't you build your own one?"
posted by Artw at 2:14 PM on January 29, 2010

The next step is for somebody to have one implanted in their belly screen out, like a fucking Teletubby.

Touch my screen.


lower
posted by The Whelk at 2:14 PM on January 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

Guess who here has previously refered to Stalin in the context of Google and of Diebold?
posted by Artw at 2:21 PM on January 29, 2010

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Second Edition.

Original boxed set, plus Greyhawk & Blackmoor.
posted by scalefree at 2:22 PM on January 29, 2010

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Second Edition.
Original boxed set, plus Greyhawk & Blackmoor.

Original Traveller. With fully random chargen, including chance of death.
posted by feckless at 2:26 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I don't get why people who hate any/all Apple products on spec even bother tramping all over a thread that's by definition all about a new Apple product. Same could be applied to a new MS announcement or a new Linux device or whatever.

I don't go into threads about bands I hate and make fun of them, you know?

It kind of seems like every time linux is mentioned on here things quickly just turn into OMGLINUXISSOUSERUNFRIENDLY, so it's not as if it's just apple.

People nerds are passionate about computery brandy things, is all.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 2:28 PM on January 29, 2010

Guess who here has previously refered to Stalin in the context of Google and of Diebold?

If that's me, and as you keep trying to steer this thread back to taking potshots in my direction, I would hope you would stop being a passive-aggressive twit, Artw, and provide some links to comments.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:28 PM on January 29, 2010

computery brandy

This is what, silicon distilled into a tasty aperitif?

(seriously, the adding 'y' to things, please make it stop)
posted by jonmc at 2:30 PM on January 29, 2010

Look, comparisons to fascism and totalitarian in technology goes a long, ironic way back.

God, the irony!

We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory thoughts. Our Unification of Thought is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people. With one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!

posted by smackfu at 2:30 PM on January 29, 2010 [4 favorites]

I thought it was quite endearing of BP to pop up in the iPad thread... He kind of reminded me of the animated paperclip helper from Windows XP.
posted by KokuRyu at 2:30 PM on January 29, 2010 [4 favorites]

Yeah, Artw. It does kind of appear that you keep trying to get a rise out of BP long after the discussion has moved past the pointing fingers stage. Maybe you should give it a rest for now.
posted by Atom Eyes at 2:35 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

BP - you know quite well how to search your own comments.
posted by Artw at 2:36 PM on January 29, 2010

This is what, silicon distilled into a tasty aperitif?

Yes. It's delicious.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 2:37 PM on January 29, 2010

Feel free to look up other historically infamous dictators while your doing it. I can't be arse - it's not my petard, it's yours.
posted by Artw at 2:37 PM on January 29, 2010

Garnished with a wedge of floppy disk, natch.
posted by jonmc at 2:38 PM on January 29, 2010

Your passive-aggressivity is duly noted, Artw.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:39 PM on January 29, 2010

I'm not sure you know what passive aggressive means.
posted by Artw at 2:40 PM on January 29, 2010

Artw, this thread did not go the way you hoped. Maybe you should give it a rest.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:42 PM on January 29, 2010

heh, I guess you do know what it means.
posted by Artw at 2:43 PM on January 29, 2010

Everyone STOP!


Hammertime.
posted by vapidave at 2:43 PM on January 29, 2010 [7 favorites]

Get a room, you two.
posted by electroboy at 2:44 PM on January 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

People also need to see this video cause awesome.
posted by The Whelk at 2:45 PM on January 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

heh, I guess you do know what it means.

I'm reading it right now.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:45 PM on January 29, 2010

Just to be clear on this: Blazecock will happily throw "Stalin" around when it suits him, it's just that if it happens to be in relation to the company he is in love with then he gets pretend upset.
posted by Artw at 2:49 PM on January 29, 2010

People also need to see this video cause awesome.

Is it weird that I recognize that song from a Burt Ward (as Robin)/Frank Zappa collaboration?
posted by Sys Rq at 2:50 PM on January 29, 2010

So, mods, how about that Ignore User pony request?
posted by Artw at 2:50 PM on January 29, 2010

shmegegge: "...I think there's a point where you sort of degrade into sterner talk than you originally intended because you're faced with a level of denial that frustrates you. so something like "I'm not fond of apple's policy regarding 3rd party apps in the app store" becomes "apple is mussolini-esque in their fascist control of the app delivery pipeline." it's not rational, but it's understandable."

It's the nature of the Internet as a medium for conversation. In the real world we can't build discussions like they're physical objects, or come back to an argument days later and pick up at the point where we left off, but on the Internet we can. There's only so much that can be said about any topic, and in a long thread the original subject will eventually become exhausted - but people still want to contribute because they're enjoying themselves, they need to clarify something, they want to be part of this long thready thing on the screen, or whatever, so they take a position on the only thing that's still left to talk about - other people's opinions. And the thread becomes adversarial.

I think any discussion becomes adversarial if it goes on long enough, and in other net communities the time from initial topic to fighting over positions can be really short, especially when the people involved know each well enough to push the right buttons. Imo, Metafilter does pretty darn well in this respect. In the Apple thread there's still new discussion going on well after 1000 posts, which is long after most communities would have taken to bickering, then got tired of the subject and moved on.
posted by Kevin Street at 2:51 PM on January 29, 2010

Just to be clear on this: Artw was upset about my comments in an unrelated thread and was also upset about his comments being deleted from the iPad thread. Despite my having moved on, he decided to start this thread to try to push people's buttons. He is currently upset because this thread did not turn out the way he had hoped.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:53 PM on January 29, 2010

Well, that and because you went off on one on how mentioning Stalin was so unacceptable, and have a big thing for double standards.
posted by Artw at 2:55 PM on January 29, 2010

And yes, the search-user-comments trick is a total jerk trick, but when in rome...
posted by Artw at 2:55 PM on January 29, 2010

So, mods, how about that Ignore User pony request?

There's third party scripts available for those incapable of exercising basic self-control.

I don't see this going anywhere great and I'm tired of checking in on it. Go enjoy your friday evenings or something.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:56 PM on January 29, 2010 [21 favorites]