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Since I was accused of "announcing" a flag reason in the thread, I guess MeTa must be the place to object to pure advertising.
I'm pretty sure massive media corporations can "get the word out" on their own without help from supposed communities of human beings.
I'm pretty sure massive media corporations can "get the word out" on their own without help from supposed communities of human beings.
Single links to trailers are generally not that awesome, but this seemed to be sustaining its own discussion and we figured we'd leave it. If you flag, you should also move on. Sometimes that moving on relocates you to MetaTalk, but the general idea is to keep folks from crapping in a thread that other people are enjoying.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:42 PM on August 24, 2010 [11 favorites]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:42 PM on August 24, 2010 [11 favorites]
Zombies gonna zomb.
posted by Kirk Grim at 2:43 PM on August 24, 2010 [45 favorites]
posted by Kirk Grim at 2:43 PM on August 24, 2010 [45 favorites]
I'm sick of zombies like I'm sick of skinny jeans and Pabst Blue Ribbon, can't we start some sort of werewolf trend instead? Or Satanic mer-men...
posted by KokuRyu at 5:40 PM on August 24
Not so fast. Before we can retire zombies to the genre dustbin of history, we need a show like Zombie High School, where zombie violence is merely the backdrop against which main character Jesse, Twee, and rgN!rrhhrggnn navigate the cliques and stresses of a southern california prep school.
posted by Pastabagel at 2:46 PM on August 24, 2010 [18 favorites]
posted by KokuRyu at 5:40 PM on August 24
Not so fast. Before we can retire zombies to the genre dustbin of history, we need a show like Zombie High School, where zombie violence is merely the backdrop against which main character Jesse, Twee, and rgN!rrhhrggnn navigate the cliques and stresses of a southern california prep school.
posted by Pastabagel at 2:46 PM on August 24, 2010 [18 favorites]
jessamyn: Single links to trailers are generally not that awesome, but this seemed to be sustaining its own discussion and we figured we'd leave it.
Isn't that the exact opposite of the normal policy? Good discussion or no, if it's a bad post it's a bad post is the rule as I understand it.
I'm thankful for the post, because I'd like to see the show, but as it stands I think it is a bad FPP.
posted by paisley henosis at 2:49 PM on August 24, 2010 [5 favorites]
Isn't that the exact opposite of the normal policy? Good discussion or no, if it's a bad post it's a bad post is the rule as I understand it.
I'm thankful for the post, because I'd like to see the show, but as it stands I think it is a bad FPP.
posted by paisley henosis at 2:49 PM on August 24, 2010 [5 favorites]
Maybe you guys don't remember when Watchmen was coming out and we had a FPP every time Zack Snyder doodled on the back of a placemat.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:53 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
posted by shakespeherian at 2:53 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
If something's good or interesting, I don't care if it's from a "massive media corporation."
I don't have an opinion about the FPP in question, I just feel the need to express my opposition to the theme of this MeTa post.
posted by mullacc at 2:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
I don't have an opinion about the FPP in question, I just feel the need to express my opposition to the theme of this MeTa post.
posted by mullacc at 2:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
Not so fast. Before we can retire zombies to the genre dustbin of history, we need a show like Zombie High School, where zombie violence is merely the backdrop against which main character Jesse, Twee, and rgN!rrhhrggnn navigate the cliques and stresses of a southern california prep school.
It will be called Zamgrhville, it will be on the CW and it will run for fucking ever...
posted by Artw at 3:00 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
It will be called Zamgrhville, it will be on the CW and it will run for fucking ever...
posted by Artw at 3:00 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
Isn't that the exact opposite of the normal policy? Good discussion or no, if it's a bad post it's a bad post is the rule as I understand it.
No, it's more that the official policy is that "but the discussion was good" is not an automatic save on a post. It's more of a "yes, we did delete your thread" response to "but the discussion was good!" complaints, not a self-contained black-and-white statement about how every thread will be either deleted or not.
Generally speaking:
- thinner posts have a better chance of getting deleted
- but that doesn't mean they'll all get deleted every time
- and we might take into account how the thread is going if we're on the fence about one
- and in any case flag and move on, don't get fighty in the thread as well
- because metatalk is here if what you want is a public meta-discussion of the thread.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
No, it's more that the official policy is that "but the discussion was good" is not an automatic save on a post. It's more of a "yes, we did delete your thread" response to "but the discussion was good!" complaints, not a self-contained black-and-white statement about how every thread will be either deleted or not.
Generally speaking:
- thinner posts have a better chance of getting deleted
- but that doesn't mean they'll all get deleted every time
- and we might take into account how the thread is going if we're on the fence about one
- and in any case flag and move on, don't get fighty in the thread as well
- because metatalk is here if what you want is a public meta-discussion of the thread.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
Isn't that the exact opposite of the normal policy?
See this is what happens when people think there is a policy.
posted by smackfu at 3:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [12 favorites]
See this is what happens when people think there is a policy.
posted by smackfu at 3:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [12 favorites]
I do have to admit, I like the "flagged for awesomeness" kind of announcements... but a lot of the "flagged for [negative reason]" comments sound a lot like someone playing back the tape recorder in their head of some occasion in the commenter's past where they were lectured by a parent or teacher about something they did.
posted by hippybear at 3:05 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by hippybear at 3:05 PM on August 24, 2010
so - no threads about music, movies, tv shows, newspapers/magazines, or radio shows? because to make that post would be helping the massive media corporations?
personally, i listen, watch, and read things and i assume the people here do the same and sometimes the things they listen to, watch, or read are interesting enough that they want to share it. sometimes their excitement for the thing is so great that they want to share it before it even happens - i'm ok with this.
posted by nadawi at 3:07 PM on August 24, 2010 [8 favorites]
personally, i listen, watch, and read things and i assume the people here do the same and sometimes the things they listen to, watch, or read are interesting enough that they want to share it. sometimes their excitement for the thing is so great that they want to share it before it even happens - i'm ok with this.
posted by nadawi at 3:07 PM on August 24, 2010 [8 favorites]
also: i'm glad that we're discouraging flag and shit in the thread. if you announce your flag, you're doing it wrong.
posted by nadawi at 3:08 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by nadawi at 3:08 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
If something's good or interesting, I don't care if it's from a "massive media corporation."
Ditto this. Having said that, part of me that maybe prefers a hypothetical alternative to the current post which would have waited until the first episodes had aired and some reviews had come in.
posted by juv3nal at 3:09 PM on August 24, 2010
Ditto this. Having said that, part of me that maybe prefers a hypothetical alternative to the current post which would have waited until the first episodes had aired and some reviews had come in.
posted by juv3nal at 3:09 PM on August 24, 2010
oh...unless it turns out that Fizz is a sleeper AMC lackey (which seems pretty unlikely).
In which case, burn the witch.
posted by juv3nal at 3:12 PM on August 24, 2010
In which case, burn the witch.
posted by juv3nal at 3:12 PM on August 24, 2010
part of me that maybe prefers a hypothetical alternative to the current post which would have waited until the first episodes had aired and some reviews had come in.
Agreed with this totally. Fizz's previous link to his own post does look a little sketchy even though we have no reason to think he's a weird shill, we'd usually prefer posts to have a bit more THERE there before another post on the same topic. I'm happy people like the general topic, btu I could see a bunch of ways to make a better post about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:15 PM on August 24, 2010
Agreed with this totally. Fizz's previous link to his own post does look a little sketchy even though we have no reason to think he's a weird shill, we'd usually prefer posts to have a bit more THERE there before another post on the same topic. I'm happy people like the general topic, btu I could see a bunch of ways to make a better post about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:15 PM on August 24, 2010
I flagged it at first because it was a link to a video which can't be seen outside the U.S. (Flagged it as racist, by the way, was that too much?) But then a nice anonymous mefite memailed me a link to an illegal download of said video and now I'm happy the post stays because the discussion is pretty interesting.
I appreciate that it's not possible to check if a video is available worldwide before posting but I think it should weigh against posts if they are U.S. only. Someone found a link to a version that can be seen by all and I think it would be nice if a mod were to replace the link in the post.
posted by sveskemus at 3:17 PM on August 24, 2010
I appreciate that it's not possible to check if a video is available worldwide before posting but I think it should weigh against posts if they are U.S. only. Someone found a link to a version that can be seen by all and I think it would be nice if a mod were to replace the link in the post.
posted by sveskemus at 3:17 PM on August 24, 2010
why did you put "announcing" in quotes. it's not alleged announcing or anything. it's both what you did and what you were accused of.
also, chill. the trailer was good stuff. it's all fun times in that thread.
posted by shmegegge at 3:18 PM on August 24, 2010
also, chill. the trailer was good stuff. it's all fun times in that thread.
posted by shmegegge at 3:18 PM on August 24, 2010
I think it should weigh against posts if they are U.S. only.
It absolutely does, though we also encourage people to find and share workarounds.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:24 PM on August 24, 2010
It absolutely does, though we also encourage people to find and share workarounds.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:24 PM on August 24, 2010
I'm sick of zombies like I'm sick of skinny jeans and Pabst Blue Ribbon, can't we start some sort of werewolf trend instead?
TEAM JACOB
posted by inigo2 at 3:26 PM on August 24, 2010 [5 favorites]
TEAM JACOB
posted by inigo2 at 3:26 PM on August 24, 2010 [5 favorites]
Thanks for posting this, I saw this a few weeks ago but forgot about how awesome it is going to be. I'd missed the fpp, so thanks for letting me know there was a thread posted here about it. I'm so buzzed up about this I just want to thank you for reminding me and everyone else about it yest again. Thanks. This is going to be so fucking good. I'm just advertising my thanks to you.
Thanks.
posted by Elmore at 3:31 PM on August 24, 2010
Thanks.
posted by Elmore at 3:31 PM on August 24, 2010
cortex: - thinner posts have a better chance of getting deleted
I don't really see how much thinner you can get than single-link-pepsi-tube with a previously, to be honest. I guess if it was *just* a promo-pepsi video with no previously that would be even thinner, but c'mon.
I'm not against banging the drum for what will, hopefully, be a great new show. But why not wait until October so the post will be open once the show airs? Or put a little bit of effort into an "upcoming fall shows" FPP (which I actually suggested).
I really see this as a parallel with the Calvin/Chewie t-shirt thread a few days ago. A super thin, single link ad FPP gets made, then nuked for being too damn thin, and a more rounded, fuller FPP gets made in its place to present the same material but built into the context of what an fpp is meant to be not just soundbite/ad-filter. That was a good decision and it worked out very well. This seems to be the exact opposite decision on the exact same premise, and I feel the exact opposite way about it.
posted by paisley henosis at 3:37 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
I don't really see how much thinner you can get than single-link-pepsi-tube with a previously, to be honest. I guess if it was *just* a promo-pepsi video with no previously that would be even thinner, but c'mon.
I'm not against banging the drum for what will, hopefully, be a great new show. But why not wait until October so the post will be open once the show airs? Or put a little bit of effort into an "upcoming fall shows" FPP (which I actually suggested).
I really see this as a parallel with the Calvin/Chewie t-shirt thread a few days ago. A super thin, single link ad FPP gets made, then nuked for being too damn thin, and a more rounded, fuller FPP gets made in its place to present the same material but built into the context of what an fpp is meant to be not just soundbite/ad-filter. That was a good decision and it worked out very well. This seems to be the exact opposite decision on the exact same premise, and I feel the exact opposite way about it.
posted by paisley henosis at 3:37 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
"upcoming fall shows"
Ugh or should that be Ughsians!?
Look the Cee Lo post was pure pure pure internet advertising, and it was great. Why the fuck can't I find out about a TV adaptation of a zombie comic that I have been following for years, and has that dude from Teachers in it to boot? What's up? Have your brains already been eaten? Is this a reverse-zombie conspiracy?
posted by Elmore at 3:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Ugh or should that be Ughsians!?
Look the Cee Lo post was pure pure pure internet advertising, and it was great. Why the fuck can't I find out about a TV adaptation of a zombie comic that I have been following for years, and has that dude from Teachers in it to boot? What's up? Have your brains already been eaten? Is this a reverse-zombie conspiracy?
posted by Elmore at 3:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I don't really see how much thinner you can get than single-link-pepsi-tube with a previously, to be honest.
I don't think it's a great post by any means, don't get me wrong. But, again, this is sort of results-may-vary, element-of-chance thing even all else aside based on how around we all are on any given day and so on. I'm super distracted by houseguests and family stuff right now or I might have taken a closer look at it earlier and decided to nix it. But, it lived.
I would be willing to take up the challenge of naming something thinner—ready examples include e.g. linking to a single image, gurging up yet another Onion link, linking an ephemeral ebay auction, etc—but I'm not really in any serious disagreement with you on the general notion of the post being thin and hardly a role model for impressionable young posts to look up to.
There's never, ever going to be a codified, everything-is-logically-consistent application of the guidelines and our moderation sensibilities. It's not practical, I doubt it'd be possible, and I know it'd be a disaster if we tried in any case. The result of that is sometimes posts some folks like get deleted, and other times posts people don't like live, and now and then our response to that is going to be little more satisfying than a sympathetic shrug. There's no grand defense to put on in defense of this one, it's just a thin post that we didn't end up deleting.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:48 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
I don't think it's a great post by any means, don't get me wrong. But, again, this is sort of results-may-vary, element-of-chance thing even all else aside based on how around we all are on any given day and so on. I'm super distracted by houseguests and family stuff right now or I might have taken a closer look at it earlier and decided to nix it. But, it lived.
I would be willing to take up the challenge of naming something thinner—ready examples include e.g. linking to a single image, gurging up yet another Onion link, linking an ephemeral ebay auction, etc—but I'm not really in any serious disagreement with you on the general notion of the post being thin and hardly a role model for impressionable young posts to look up to.
There's never, ever going to be a codified, everything-is-logically-consistent application of the guidelines and our moderation sensibilities. It's not practical, I doubt it'd be possible, and I know it'd be a disaster if we tried in any case. The result of that is sometimes posts some folks like get deleted, and other times posts people don't like live, and now and then our response to that is going to be little more satisfying than a sympathetic shrug. There's no grand defense to put on in defense of this one, it's just a thin post that we didn't end up deleting.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:48 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
Some south american chick has been trying to tell me there a zombie in my closet and that I should open it up and set her free.
Or maybe I'm just hearing the song wrong.
posted by GuyZero at 3:53 PM on August 24, 2010
Or maybe I'm just hearing the song wrong.
posted by GuyZero at 3:53 PM on August 24, 2010
True Brains.
posted by zinfandel at 3:55 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by zinfandel at 3:55 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
Also, I have the Zombie Food Pyramid on my refrigerator, right next to the vegetarian one.
posted by zinfandel at 3:57 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by zinfandel at 3:57 PM on August 24, 2010
I'm sick of zombies
Quicksand is gonna come back, big. You watch.
posted by everichon at 4:00 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
Quicksand is gonna come back, big. You watch.
posted by everichon at 4:00 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
Before we can retire zombies to the genre dustbin of history, we need a show like Zombie High School, where zombie violence is merely the backdrop against which main character Jesse, Twee, and rgN!rrhhrggnn navigate the cliques and stresses of a southern california prep school.
Zombie College, from ten years ago.
I think we can go ahead and close this up.
posted by namewithoutwords at 4:04 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Zombie College, from ten years ago.
I think we can go ahead and close this up.
posted by namewithoutwords at 4:04 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
My flag. Let me show you it.
posted by special-k at 4:39 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by special-k at 4:39 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
"upcoming fall shows"
Did everyone see that Shatner's gonna star in the weeknight sitcom adaptation of S#!t My Dad Says?
posted by carsonb at 4:45 PM on August 24, 2010
Did everyone see that Shatner's gonna star in the weeknight sitcom adaptation of S#!t My Dad Says?
posted by carsonb at 4:45 PM on August 24, 2010
I understand why some people are getting tired of zombies, but he shouldn't forget that not too long ago the genre was dead... and not in the good way. Enjoy it while it lasts. It sure beats vampires. Vampires are lame.
posted by brundlefly at 4:54 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by brundlefly at 4:54 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
...can't we start some sort of werewolf trend instead?
Previously says we already are (or were in 2009)?
posted by jeffamaphone at 4:55 PM on August 24, 2010
Previously says we already are (or were in 2009)?
posted by jeffamaphone at 4:55 PM on August 24, 2010
When people say the sentence "flag it and move on" I always assumed the important part was the moving on, and no one really cares if it's flagged or not.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by Solon and Thanks at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
seems like a cool trailer, thanks for pointing it out DU now I'll be sure to watch the show on AMC!
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
I thought it was a great post.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 5:06 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by monju_bosatsu at 5:06 PM on August 24, 2010
I liked those hopping vampires from that crazy Asian horror movie I saw years ago. I just want a hopping vampire show.
posted by turgid dahlia at 5:10 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by turgid dahlia at 5:10 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
What is it lately with the assumptions that "I flagged it and it's still there so it must be broken" of late? This isn't the first.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 5:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 5:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [3 favorites]
Also, I have the Zombie Food Pyramid on my refrigerator, right next to the vegetarian one.
I'm no zombie expert (and I'm sure that this will be my undoing), but:
- My understanding is that zombies turn people (and possible animals, YMMV) into zombies
- Zombies eat brains
Do zombies therefore not have brains? How can they function otherwise?
Because the alternative is that zombies, by increasing their population, are acting to deprive themselves of their very foodsource. Which means that they are essentially going to have to either a) keep and farm humans; b) develop alternative food sources; or c) develop inter-stellar travel to find new lifeforms on which to feast.
posted by djgh at 5:28 PM on August 24, 2010
I'm no zombie expert (and I'm sure that this will be my undoing), but:
- My understanding is that zombies turn people (and possible animals, YMMV) into zombies
- Zombies eat brains
Do zombies therefore not have brains? How can they function otherwise?
Because the alternative is that zombies, by increasing their population, are acting to deprive themselves of their very foodsource. Which means that they are essentially going to have to either a) keep and farm humans; b) develop alternative food sources; or c) develop inter-stellar travel to find new lifeforms on which to feast.
posted by djgh at 5:28 PM on August 24, 2010
Zombies are self-limiting, like yeast or campylobacter.
posted by kenko at 6:00 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by kenko at 6:00 PM on August 24, 2010
Did everyone see that Shatner's gonna star in the weeknight sitcom adaptation of S#!t My Dad Says?
That true?
/googles
Wow. The tweets are excellent, that it got a TV show highly annoys me, but damn that's some inspired casting.
posted by angrycat at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2010
That true?
/googles
Wow. The tweets are excellent, that it got a TV show highly annoys me, but damn that's some inspired casting.
posted by angrycat at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2010
I dunno. About a half-hour ago, I ran across a trailer for a movie I'm really interested in seeing. I could even make a meatier post than the thread in question, because the movie is based on a well-documented real-life story. But I wouldn't post it here because this is not Tumblr.
posted by desjardins at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by desjardins at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
Well, it's not like you could kill a thread about the undead.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 6:24 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 6:24 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
You could, by removing the head or destroying the brain.
posted by qvantamon at 6:27 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by qvantamon at 6:27 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Yeah, but it if has enough favorites, it'll just respawn.
posted by nomadicink at 6:39 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by nomadicink at 6:39 PM on August 24, 2010
If I had followed the link when it was first posted, before anyone had commented in the thread, I would have flagged the post. Knowing nothing about this project, I can only say that the clip didn't hold my interest longer than it took to come across as a remake or ripoff of 28 Days Later - and not one of any obvious cinematic interest. I then checked the (previously) - but it didn't provide me the missing information as to what was supposed to be FPP-worthy about this. I hope you'll agree that "comic book adapted into movie" is not, in and of itself, particularly newsworthy. Maybe the comments in the (previously) might have explained it. But I don't feel it's reasonable to expect a idle clicker-by to go that far out of their way to get the point. Nothing against the post maker or the movie. I hope everyone has a great time at it. But you have to admit that the post is thin stuff.
posted by Joe Beese at 6:42 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by Joe Beese at 6:42 PM on August 24, 2010
c) develop inter-stellar travel to find new lifeforms on which to feast
Astro Zombies.
posted by maqsarian at 6:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Astro Zombies.
posted by maqsarian at 6:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Good call DU. Why would someone just watch The Walking Dead on AMC when there are so many other amazing shows on that channel! Be it Rubicon, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, or the weekly red carpet interviews on AMC News, AMC is where story matters! I support this call out and think we should all turn off our internets and turn on some AMC. Nanny McPhee? More like Nanny McPhuckYeahLetsWatchThisMovieonAMCRightNow!
posted by ND¢ at 6:46 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by ND¢ at 6:46 PM on August 24, 2010
I, for one, think we should err on the side of never ever serving as "grassroots" marketing for a major motion picture.
Discussion or no, this is an open invitation to SEO sleazers & astroturfers.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 6:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
Discussion or no, this is an open invitation to SEO sleazers & astroturfers.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 6:59 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
Discussion or no, this is an open invitation to SEO sleazers & astroturfers.
no it's not...unless you have zero faith in the mods. personally, i think they do a pretty damn good job of kicking out the marketers.
posted by nadawi at 7:07 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
no it's not...unless you have zero faith in the mods. personally, i think they do a pretty damn good job of kicking out the marketers.
posted by nadawi at 7:07 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Zombie posts should all be deleted as a matter of course, but people should be allowed to continue to comment in them, flag and favorite.
posted by jamjam at 7:07 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by jamjam at 7:07 PM on August 24, 2010
Because the alternative is that zombies, by increasing their population, are acting to deprive themselves of their very foodsource. Which means that they are essentially going to have to either a) keep and farm humans; b) develop alternative food sources; or c) develop inter-stellar travel to find new lifeforms on which to feast.
I would watch the shit out of this movie. Think about it: the main protagonists are the zombies. The story takes place POST-post-apocalypse - almost all humans are already wiped out, and the few remaining humans are not even the focus. Instead, the movie completely upends the traditional zombie narrative by turning the zombies into the survivors - how will they make it through winter? Will they find more brains, will they compete with other zombies for precious resources? Will they try to find animal brains that are nourishing enough for them to survive and reproduce, ensuring the continued growth of a tenuous new species? Or will they all simply die out tragically, these pathetic zombies that we've grown to love and care about? Post-apocalyptic survival is a two-way street.
posted by naju at 7:12 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
I would watch the shit out of this movie. Think about it: the main protagonists are the zombies. The story takes place POST-post-apocalypse - almost all humans are already wiped out, and the few remaining humans are not even the focus. Instead, the movie completely upends the traditional zombie narrative by turning the zombies into the survivors - how will they make it through winter? Will they find more brains, will they compete with other zombies for precious resources? Will they try to find animal brains that are nourishing enough for them to survive and reproduce, ensuring the continued growth of a tenuous new species? Or will they all simply die out tragically, these pathetic zombies that we've grown to love and care about? Post-apocalyptic survival is a two-way street.
posted by naju at 7:12 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
I, for one, think we should err on the side of never ever serving as "grassroots" marketing for a major motion picture.
We are on the lookout for shills for marketers and SEO douchebags nearly constantly. Someone with zero site activity who was making the same post as Fizz would have it axed immediately. However we can't have any sort of a rule that says "don't link to promotional stuff" because it's unenforceable and there's no line you can draw that makes sense to people.
So right now the basic gist is: if we catch you self-promoting or being a sleazy astroturfer, we'll delete your post, redirect the link to example.com, go through all your old comments and delete ones that seem spammy and you can never interact with the site again, even if you try to sign up for a new account.
But if people like a movie, or a car advertisement, or a website that turns out to be some viral nonsense, we can't punish them for it and we can't reasonably delete all links to things that could be promoting things. And trust me, I am way further along the Bill Hicks continuum than most. I understand the problem.
So again, it was a thin post that we didn't wind up deleting. We'll likely delete most single-ad posts that aren't totally awesome, but that's about as far as we can go.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:12 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
We are on the lookout for shills for marketers and SEO douchebags nearly constantly. Someone with zero site activity who was making the same post as Fizz would have it axed immediately. However we can't have any sort of a rule that says "don't link to promotional stuff" because it's unenforceable and there's no line you can draw that makes sense to people.
So right now the basic gist is: if we catch you self-promoting or being a sleazy astroturfer, we'll delete your post, redirect the link to example.com, go through all your old comments and delete ones that seem spammy and you can never interact with the site again, even if you try to sign up for a new account.
But if people like a movie, or a car advertisement, or a website that turns out to be some viral nonsense, we can't punish them for it and we can't reasonably delete all links to things that could be promoting things. And trust me, I am way further along the Bill Hicks continuum than most. I understand the problem.
So again, it was a thin post that we didn't wind up deleting. We'll likely delete most single-ad posts that aren't totally awesome, but that's about as far as we can go.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:12 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Oh, I dunno. In the Mad Men episode 5 write up on time.com, they cited iamkimiam's comment from Megafiller.com.
I say we with roll with it.
posted by oneirodynia at 7:13 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I say we with roll with it.
posted by oneirodynia at 7:13 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I'm really new to MetaFilter, so I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but can you tell if your post has been flagged? I joined in February, but I've lurked since oh, 2003, so I think I have an idea as to what makes a good MetaFilter post. But I found myself quaking with fear when I made my first post last week. If it wasn't up to scratch, I'd really like to know!
posted by peripathetic at 7:22 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by peripathetic at 7:22 PM on August 24, 2010
Just because it's advertising, doesn't mean it isn't interesting, fun, or worth watching. I for one appreciate the link.
posted by blue_beetle at 7:25 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by blue_beetle at 7:25 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
no it's not...unless you have zero faith in the mods. personally, i think they do a pretty damn good job of kicking out the marketers.
For the record, I think our mods are awesome and they do a great job. What I mean is that if I'm an SEO dirtbag or an astroturfer, I see this slip through and I see future openings. I see a way to get my pilot or trailer or whatever it's called on Metafilter. I might not be able to sign up and post it myself out of the blue, but you're fooling yourself if you think these guys can't plan a slightly longer-term strategy than that.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:36 PM on August 24, 2010
For the record, I think our mods are awesome and they do a great job. What I mean is that if I'm an SEO dirtbag or an astroturfer, I see this slip through and I see future openings. I see a way to get my pilot or trailer or whatever it's called on Metafilter. I might not be able to sign up and post it myself out of the blue, but you're fooling yourself if you think these guys can't plan a slightly longer-term strategy than that.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:36 PM on August 24, 2010
peripathetic: no, you can't see the flags on your posts. They're only a tool for the mods, a way for us to tell them "this needs attention".
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 7:39 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 7:39 PM on August 24, 2010
Satanic mermen, eh?
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
CRUMPLE CRUMPLE CRUMPLE
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
Viola! I made a James Patterson novel!
posted by Mister_A at 7:47 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
CRUMPLE CRUMPLE CRUMPLE
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
*type type type type type DING*
Viola! I made a James Patterson novel!
posted by Mister_A at 7:47 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
oneirodynia: "Oh, I dunno. In the Mad Men episode 5 write up on time.com, they cited iamkimiam's comment from Megafiller.com.
I say we with roll with it."
Wow, I thought you were kidding. It really does say Megafiller. Time is ever irrelevant.
posted by octothorpe at 7:56 PM on August 24, 2010
I say we with roll with it."
Wow, I thought you were kidding. It really does say Megafiller. Time is ever irrelevant.
posted by octothorpe at 7:56 PM on August 24, 2010
"...can you tell if your post has been flagged?"
Only if you've joined MetafilterPlus. Then you get a nice handwritten card from a mod every time your post is flagged.
If you make it to 100 flags you get a personal visit from mathowie, and he brings freshly-baked chocolate-chip cookies.
At 1000 flags you get to personally ban someone.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 8:27 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Only if you've joined MetafilterPlus. Then you get a nice handwritten card from a mod every time your post is flagged.
If you make it to 100 flags you get a personal visit from mathowie, and he brings freshly-baked chocolate-chip cookies.
At 1000 flags you get to personally ban someone.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 8:27 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Those cookies are mighty tasty, by the way.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 8:29 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 8:29 PM on August 24, 2010 [6 favorites]
*Enters Thread*
Brains. Braaaaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnssss.
*Pauses*
*Looks Around*
*Exits Thread*
:-P
posted by 1000monkeys at 8:30 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Brains. Braaaaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnssss.
*Pauses*
*Looks Around*
*Exits Thread*
:-P
posted by 1000monkeys at 8:30 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Re: my earlier comment, the concept is intriguing me enough that I might do something with it. I call dibs!
posted by naju at 8:39 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by naju at 8:39 PM on August 24, 2010
naju, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to buy your movie tickets.
posted by zinfandel at 8:42 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by zinfandel at 8:42 PM on August 24, 2010
I suggest zombie Interactive Fiction, naju.
You are in the basement of what used to be a SuperMart^TM.
BRAINS
There appear to be no brains here.
BRAINSSSSSSS
You shamble around, searching, but there appear to be no brains in the area
etc etc.
posted by that girl at 8:56 PM on August 24, 2010
You are in the basement of what used to be a SuperMart^TM.
BRAINS
There appear to be no brains here.
BRAINSSSSSSS
You shamble around, searching, but there appear to be no brains in the area
etc etc.
posted by that girl at 8:56 PM on August 24, 2010
Viola! I made a James Patterson novel!
Satanic mermen novels - the gateway drug for talking to your instruments.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:57 PM on August 24, 2010
Satanic mermen novels - the gateway drug for talking to your instruments.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:57 PM on August 24, 2010
Megafiller.com is actually available. I suggest a redirect. Or a bizarro-world site. Yeah, that would be awesome. Blue text on a yellow background. Migraines for everyone!
posted by desjardins at 9:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by desjardins at 9:18 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
I scrolled down the whole thread waiting for the Astro Zombies to show up and they have not. This makes my evening less zombieriffic.
I personally think the next big fad will be jinn. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
posted by winna at 9:19 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I personally think the next big fad will be jinn. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
posted by winna at 9:19 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Also, Megafiller.com will only feature deleted posts and flameouts.
posted by special-k at 9:40 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by special-k at 9:40 PM on August 24, 2010
Before we can retire zombies to the genre dustbin of history, we need a show like Zombie High School
with the inevitable spin-offs, Zombie Middle School, Zombie Pre-School etc.
In other words, add me to the tired-of-Zombies club. It's never gotten better than Return of the Living Dead (warning: not suitable for humanity) and that was what? Twenty five years ago now.
Please, culture. Move on.
posted by philip-random at 9:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
with the inevitable spin-offs, Zombie Middle School, Zombie Pre-School etc.
In other words, add me to the tired-of-Zombies club. It's never gotten better than Return of the Living Dead (warning: not suitable for humanity) and that was what? Twenty five years ago now.
Please, culture. Move on.
posted by philip-random at 9:45 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I dunno, taking someone to megatalk sounds really exciting!
posted by Back to you, Jim. at 9:55 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
posted by Back to you, Jim. at 9:55 PM on August 24, 2010 [4 favorites]
Megafiller.com, if it had been registered, could've been a hillariously bad typo for whatever intern they have writing those Mad Men things.
I'm picturing white text on a pink background with a "goop" filter applied generously.
posted by codacorolla at 10:00 PM on August 24, 2010
I'm picturing white text on a pink background with a "goop" filter applied generously.
posted by codacorolla at 10:00 PM on August 24, 2010
If Fizz was an SEO, he'd be playing such a long game (2+ years, 300+ comments) that perhaps he would have earned his shill post. :)
I think the mods can tell, and honestly if an SEO is so invested they create a persona and engage the site like a regular member for years... well whatever.
posted by wildcrdj at 10:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
I think the mods can tell, and honestly if an SEO is so invested they create a persona and engage the site like a regular member for years... well whatever.
posted by wildcrdj at 10:01 PM on August 24, 2010 [1 favorite]
Lifeforce may have something to say about the zombie-limitation problem discussed in this thread
posted by jtron at 10:17 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by jtron at 10:17 PM on August 24, 2010
Funny thing is, I flagged that FPP.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:20 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:20 PM on August 24, 2010
Can someone put up the Scott Pilgrim trailer? I like that movie and think you all should too.
posted by drjimmy11 at 10:54 PM on August 24, 2010
posted by drjimmy11 at 10:54 PM on August 24, 2010
Did everyone see that Shatner's gonna star in the weeknight sitcom adaptation of S#!t My Dad Says?
Shatners gonna shat.
posted by davejay at 11:17 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
Shatners gonna shat.
posted by davejay at 11:17 PM on August 24, 2010 [2 favorites]
Hey you zombies, get off my lawn!
posted by SyntacticSugar at 3:40 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by SyntacticSugar at 3:40 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
Thank you, Me[Fi|Ta], for defying my expectations and actually discussing this and coming to basically my same conclusions: It looks like a neat show but this post was sub-par. I would have deleted it myself, but it sounds like it was just barely not deleted, so (some) human culture is not so under the mental thumb of mega-business as I feared during the time I kept away from this thread.
posted by DU at 4:10 AM on August 25, 2010
posted by DU at 4:10 AM on August 25, 2010
Errr...that was kind of a backhanded compliment. Not how I meant it.
posted by DU at 4:14 AM on August 25, 2010
posted by DU at 4:14 AM on August 25, 2010
I'd just like to say that jessamyn's "crapping in a thread" is just much more agreeable, you know, to read, than "shitting in a thread". So, can we go with that from now on? Wonderful!
Otherwise, I'd like to link to Fela's Zombie. That is all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:32 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
Otherwise, I'd like to link to Fela's Zombie. That is all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:32 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
Also, Megafiller.com will only feature deleted posts and flameouts.
So it's MetaTalk?
posted by shakespeherian at 4:53 AM on August 25, 2010
So it's MetaTalk?
posted by shakespeherian at 4:53 AM on August 25, 2010
We went down to the shore to drink some beers
Just like we been doin’ all these years
But Jolene and Earl and me, we’ll never be the same
‘Cause we made a new friend that fateful night
Even tho somethin’ bout ‘im just ain’t right
He’s a satanic fish man and Herman is his name
That’s right he’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
Just as friendly as he can be
Worships the devil and swims in the sea
Yes Herman, the Satanic Merman
He’s a psychopathic friend to you and me!
We were sippin’ brew around the fire
When he swam right up and said “Well hi there!
My name’s Herman, I’m so pleased to meet you guys!”
We tossed him a beer and he shared his gospel
About Satanic evil, but he wasn’t hostile
Even though he kept munchin’ on those baby’s eyes
Yes he’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
He needs the ocean, not just a tub
When he sacrifices virgins to Beelzebub
He’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
He promises he’ll never bleed dry you and me!
posted by waraw at 5:56 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
Just like we been doin’ all these years
But Jolene and Earl and me, we’ll never be the same
‘Cause we made a new friend that fateful night
Even tho somethin’ bout ‘im just ain’t right
He’s a satanic fish man and Herman is his name
That’s right he’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
Just as friendly as he can be
Worships the devil and swims in the sea
Yes Herman, the Satanic Merman
He’s a psychopathic friend to you and me!
We were sippin’ brew around the fire
When he swam right up and said “Well hi there!
My name’s Herman, I’m so pleased to meet you guys!”
We tossed him a beer and he shared his gospel
About Satanic evil, but he wasn’t hostile
Even though he kept munchin’ on those baby’s eyes
Yes he’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
He needs the ocean, not just a tub
When he sacrifices virgins to Beelzebub
He’s Herman, the Satanic Merman
He promises he’ll never bleed dry you and me!
posted by waraw at 5:56 AM on August 25, 2010 [1 favorite]
Zombielegocupcakebaconjohnstewartstephencolbertfilter?
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 6:26 AM on August 25, 2010
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 6:26 AM on August 25, 2010
I'm sick of vampires and zombies. When do frankensteins get a comeback?
posted by josher71 at 6:35 AM on August 25, 2010
posted by josher71 at 6:35 AM on August 25, 2010
I'm sick of zombies like I'm sick of skinny jeans and Pabst Blue Ribbon
Zombies? Yes. Skinny jeans? Yes. Ironic beards? Ninjas, pirates, cupcakes, bacon, porn 'staches, aviator glasses? Yes, I hate them all.
But you'll have to pry my PBR out of cold, dead, drunken, barely intelligible hands.
posted by slogger at 6:45 AM on August 25, 2010
Zombies? Yes. Skinny jeans? Yes. Ironic beards? Ninjas, pirates, cupcakes, bacon, porn 'staches, aviator glasses? Yes, I hate them all.
But you'll have to pry my PBR out of cold, dead, drunken, barely intelligible hands.
posted by slogger at 6:45 AM on August 25, 2010
I'd just like to say that jessamyn's "crapping in a thread" is just much more agreeable, you know, to read, than "shitting in a thread".
I prefer "biofueling the thread"
posted by nomadicink at 6:46 AM on August 25, 2010 [3 favorites]
I prefer "biofueling the thread"
posted by nomadicink at 6:46 AM on August 25, 2010 [3 favorites]
But you'll have to pry my PBR out of cold, dead, drunken, barely intelligible hands.
What's the appeal? Can't be the flavor.
posted by philip-random at 7:40 AM on August 25, 2010
What's the appeal? Can't be the flavor.
posted by philip-random at 7:40 AM on August 25, 2010
What's the appeal? Can't be the flavor.
Cheap. Tastes ok.
posted by josher71 at 7:45 AM on August 25, 2010
Cheap. Tastes ok.
posted by josher71 at 7:45 AM on August 25, 2010
Agreed with josher71. It's cheap and tastes pretty decent. Same with Schlitz, Beast and Tecate. Damn, I love Tecate.
posted by Loto at 11:12 AM on August 25, 2010
posted by Loto at 11:12 AM on August 25, 2010
Enjoy it while it lasts. It sure beats vampires. Vampires are lame.
Indeed. One might even go so far as to say that Vampires... Suck.
Vampires Suck, a Road Rebel, Regency Enterprises production distributed by 20th Century Fox Film Corporation. In theaters now.
Soundtrack on Lakeshore Records. Be sure to read the Dell paperback.
posted by Naberius at 11:49 AM on August 25, 2010
Indeed. One might even go so far as to say that Vampires... Suck.
Vampires Suck, a Road Rebel, Regency Enterprises production distributed by 20th Century Fox Film Corporation. In theaters now.
Soundtrack on Lakeshore Records. Be sure to read the Dell paperback.
posted by Naberius at 11:49 AM on August 25, 2010
Charles Manson
posted by Babblesort at 5:27 PM on August 26, 2010
posted by Babblesort at 5:27 PM on August 26, 2010
So pray tell what's wrong with Miller?
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 5:31 PM on August 26, 2010
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 5:31 PM on August 26, 2010
it's not cool?
posted by philip-random at 9:30 AM on August 27, 2010
posted by philip-random at 9:30 AM on August 27, 2010
PBR is cheaper, and thus intrinsically less impressive than MGD. Hipsters* cling to the worst and the tackiest in their ironic sort of way, not to the second-worst.
*Hipsters may or may not actually exist. In this example, the term is used to refer to unauthentic people who make adopt something that is deemed lesser as a way of mocking that thing.
posted by filthy light thief at 4:46 PM on August 27, 2010
*Hipsters may or may not actually exist. In this example, the term is used to refer to unauthentic people who make adopt something that is deemed lesser as a way of mocking that thing.
posted by filthy light thief at 4:46 PM on August 27, 2010
I'm sick of vampires and zombies. When do frankensteins get a comeback?
Dean Koontz (ahem) has reimagined the Frankenstein mythos in the latest series of books he's running, but that's as much as I can think of for the modern Prometheus. It's probably hard for teenagers to love a cobbled together monstrosity of corpse-parts.
posted by codacorolla at 6:59 PM on August 27, 2010
Dean Koontz (ahem) has reimagined the Frankenstein mythos in the latest series of books he's running, but that's as much as I can think of for the modern Prometheus. It's probably hard for teenagers to love a cobbled together monstrosity of corpse-parts.
posted by codacorolla at 6:59 PM on August 27, 2010
It's probably hard for teenagers to love a cobbled together monstrosity of corpse-parts.
Kid's today. *grumble grumble*
posted by josher71 at 8:52 PM on August 27, 2010
Kid's today. *grumble grumble*
posted by josher71 at 8:52 PM on August 27, 2010
I honestly, unironically enjoy the taste of Pabst Blue Ribbon. It is, in fact, the only lager I have ever tasted and enjoyed, out of a selection which includes leading American brands and some highly-praised Seattle microbrews. PBR also has the advantage of being significantly less expensive than the imported stouts I usually favour, but that doesn't change the fact that I actually like the way it tastes.
There, I've said it.
Of course, I'm wearing skinny jeans and would have a pencil-thin moustache if I were male, so apparently my opinion is inadmissible to the court?
posted by titus n. owl at 6:36 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
There, I've said it.
Of course, I'm wearing skinny jeans and would have a pencil-thin moustache if I were male, so apparently my opinion is inadmissible to the court?
posted by titus n. owl at 6:36 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
I like PBR well enough as macrobrew lager goes (drink it cold when you are hot or thirsty or drunk = success!) and have kvetched before about my right to buy cheap beer when out at bars where beer is by definition expensive, but for all that I find it essentially interchangable with the rest. I like lots of craft lagers far better, and find most German lager variants a lot more genuinely interesting than PBR et al, but it's kind of a the-beer-fits-the-situation thing.
I like beer far, far better than no-beer.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:16 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
I like beer far, far better than no-beer.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:16 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
I like beer far, far better than no-beer.
Reminds me of a Labatt's Blue (cheap shit Canadian macro beer) fake ad that a friend dreamed up once.
Two guys are picking through an insanely messy kitchen (think, the beginning of "Withnail and I"). In the middle of it all, shining in a spot of light is an untouched six pack of Labatt's Blue, sitting in a bucket of ice. But the guys are ignoring it, grabbing various nebulous bottles and jars of something-or-other (drain cleaner, wood alcohol, varnish, various things with skull and crossbones on them). They sniff what's inside, finally reject all options ... until the only thing left is the six pack of Labatt's, at which point the deep-voiced narrator speaks up:
"Labatt's Blue - when there's absolutely nothing else"
posted by philip-random at 8:57 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
Reminds me of a Labatt's Blue (cheap shit Canadian macro beer) fake ad that a friend dreamed up once.
Two guys are picking through an insanely messy kitchen (think, the beginning of "Withnail and I"). In the middle of it all, shining in a spot of light is an untouched six pack of Labatt's Blue, sitting in a bucket of ice. But the guys are ignoring it, grabbing various nebulous bottles and jars of something-or-other (drain cleaner, wood alcohol, varnish, various things with skull and crossbones on them). They sniff what's inside, finally reject all options ... until the only thing left is the six pack of Labatt's, at which point the deep-voiced narrator speaks up:
"Labatt's Blue - when there's absolutely nothing else"
posted by philip-random at 8:57 AM on August 30, 2010 [1 favorite]
Oh hell yes Labatt's. In central MA in college, we drank Labatt's because it's imported and shit and hence far classier than goddam Natty Ice.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:24 AM on August 30, 2010
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:24 AM on August 30, 2010
we drank Labatt's because it's imported and shit and hence far classier
Jesus H Shatner, this is just so wrong.
it's so bad that in Canada people don't even drink it for retro cred - there's 50 and O.V. and Export for that. It's. Just. Bad.
posted by GuyZero at 12:44 PM on August 30, 2010
Jesus H Shatner, this is just so wrong.
it's so bad that in Canada people don't even drink it for retro cred - there's 50 and O.V. and Export for that. It's. Just. Bad.
posted by GuyZero at 12:44 PM on August 30, 2010
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