Is someone using Mefi as his own private soapbox? September 5, 2005 8:05 AM Subscribe
Is someone using Mefi as his own private soapbox?
He has his opinions and that's great (even though I strongly disagree with a lot of them), but I don't think providing a platform for the Gospel According To Cleardawn was what matt had in mind.
He has his opinions and that's great (even though I strongly disagree with a lot of them), but I don't think providing a platform for the Gospel According To Cleardawn was what matt had in mind.
Is everyone on Metafilter using Metafilter as their own private soapbox?
posted by fire&wings at 8:14 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by fire&wings at 8:14 AM on September 5, 2005
isn't he or she, like, allowed to have opinions? or he/she should just write shorter comments? (what about EB then?)
what's the point of this post, Giovanni?
posted by matteo at 8:16 AM on September 5, 2005
what's the point of this post, Giovanni?
posted by matteo at 8:16 AM on September 5, 2005
I don't get it either. What makes cleardawn's soapbox worthy of dragging into MeTa?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:18 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:18 AM on September 5, 2005
Huh, you mean there are people who don't use Metafilter as a 'private soapbox'!?
posted by delmoi at 8:19 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by delmoi at 8:19 AM on September 5, 2005
Happydaz, you're missing my point. There are several if not dozens of self-described Marxists here, but most of them can communicate their ideas without arrogant speechifying and condescension (graymouser and n9 come to mind). If he wants to promote his platform, that's his prerogative, but maybe he should get his own blog.
And although I'm sure his response will be to accuse me of being a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre, I'd find his speechifying and didacticness equally annoying if he were a Republican, Libertarian, Christian Fundamentalist or Amway rep.
posted by jonmc at 8:19 AM on September 5, 2005
And although I'm sure his response will be to accuse me of being a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre, I'd find his speechifying and didacticness equally annoying if he were a Republican, Libertarian, Christian Fundamentalist or Amway rep.
posted by jonmc at 8:19 AM on September 5, 2005
what's the point of this post, Giovanni?
That rather than engage in actual discussion, he's using this place as a party platform, every topic seems to be an excuse to tell us all of the glorious worker's paradise he will create. It's stultifying and annoying and it interferes with threads. YMMV.
I was under the impression that matt didn't like users using the site as a political promotion tool.
posted by jonmc at 8:22 AM on September 5, 2005
That rather than engage in actual discussion, he's using this place as a party platform, every topic seems to be an excuse to tell us all of the glorious worker's paradise he will create. It's stultifying and annoying and it interferes with threads. YMMV.
I was under the impression that matt didn't like users using the site as a political promotion tool.
posted by jonmc at 8:22 AM on September 5, 2005
Well he's not reached bevets high standard yet, but who knows, given enough time Comrade Cleardawn might surpass the master of the soapbox.
posted by dodgygeezer at 8:24 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by dodgygeezer at 8:24 AM on September 5, 2005
I have no problem with the content or manner. cleardawn hasn't been telling people off or wishing death on anyone. And I subscribe to a lot of the thinking anyway.
posted by peacay at 8:27 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by peacay at 8:27 AM on September 5, 2005
arrogant speechifying
if it's about manners, I'm surprised you're singling out cleardawn. so many others are much more arrogant and vitriolic, myself included. if your problem is cleardawn's alleged Marxism, instead, well, you can take comfort in the fact that you live in the least-Marxist nation evar, where the nanny-state doesn't exist and self-reliance works so beautifully.
and I don't think cleardawn's running for office, or if he/she is, he/she isn't placing ads all over MeFi. so, again, I don't see where the problem is. if we can take PeePee, I don't see where the problem with cleardawn is
posted by matteo at 8:28 AM on September 5, 2005
if it's about manners, I'm surprised you're singling out cleardawn. so many others are much more arrogant and vitriolic, myself included. if your problem is cleardawn's alleged Marxism, instead, well, you can take comfort in the fact that you live in the least-Marxist nation evar, where the nanny-state doesn't exist and self-reliance works so beautifully.
and I don't think cleardawn's running for office, or if he/she is, he/she isn't placing ads all over MeFi. so, again, I don't see where the problem is. if we can take PeePee, I don't see where the problem with cleardawn is
posted by matteo at 8:28 AM on September 5, 2005
if we can take PeePee, I don't see where the problem with cleardawn is
Maybe that's the point? Is this one of those things where you're going to shout "Aha!" after a few minutes? Because I do not want to be exposed to "Aha!".
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:31 AM on September 5, 2005
Maybe that's the point? Is this one of those things where you're going to shout "Aha!" after a few minutes? Because I do not want to be exposed to "Aha!".
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:31 AM on September 5, 2005
You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby...
posted by loquacious at 8:32 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by loquacious at 8:32 AM on September 5, 2005
Reading his posts on the coup in Myanmar, it seems like he's interesting in promoting his own somewhat... strident point of view and engaging others, sometimes rudely, on the subject. Based on these criteria, I think we would have to ban virtually every member of metafilter.
posted by selfnoise at 8:36 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by selfnoise at 8:36 AM on September 5, 2005
I'm no fan of our Franco-Jerseyan freind either as you well know. I just think that grandiose faux-indignance and smug preaching deman the site, and put me off my nice morning coffee.
posted by jonmc at 8:36 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 8:36 AM on September 5, 2005
Tea? I'm an American. I drink coffee. Or whiskey. or if possible napalm.
posted by jonmc at 8:47 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 8:47 AM on September 5, 2005
Is someone using Mefi as his own private soapbox?
Someone? Heh. Try everyone. You can't read any of the Katrina threads without tripping over stacks and stacks of soapboxes.
posted by crunchland at 8:57 AM on September 5, 2005
Someone? Heh. Try everyone. You can't read any of the Katrina threads without tripping over stacks and stacks of soapboxes.
posted by crunchland at 8:57 AM on September 5, 2005
"Libertarian Christian Fundamentalist Amway rep"
I think I've found my new calling.
] It's probably best if I make this decision AFTER I drink my coffee though [
posted by mischief at 9:02 AM on September 5, 2005
I think I've found my new calling.
] It's probably best if I make this decision AFTER I drink my coffee though [
posted by mischief at 9:02 AM on September 5, 2005
"Libertarian Christian Fundamentalist Amway rep"
I think I've found my new calling.
"Once Jesus removes Big Government, I shall do your colors and make you beautiful...."
posted by jonmc at 9:03 AM on September 5, 2005
I think I've found my new calling.
"Once Jesus removes Big Government, I shall do your colors and make you beautiful...."
posted by jonmc at 9:03 AM on September 5, 2005
"stacks and stacks of soapboxes"
Just trying to keep our heads above water, crunchy!
posted by mischief at 9:03 AM on September 5, 2005
Just trying to keep our heads above water, crunchy!
posted by mischief at 9:03 AM on September 5, 2005
What's the point of this callout again? Are the links the most controversial posts he's made? Pretty tame stuff.
posted by sic at 9:04 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by sic at 9:04 AM on September 5, 2005
I'm an American
no such thing, unless you're an Apache or something. you're Irish/Italian, Giovanni -- and we drink plenty of camomilla -- it calms your nerves and detoxifies your system. you should try it
posted by matteo at 9:07 AM on September 5, 2005
no such thing, unless you're an Apache or something. you're Irish/Italian, Giovanni -- and we drink plenty of camomilla -- it calms your nerves and detoxifies your system. you should try it
posted by matteo at 9:07 AM on September 5, 2005
to repeat myself, sic: speechifying to promote one's ideology is frowned upon here or so I thought. And pretty much all his comments are speechifying and scolding. There are plenty of politically opinionated people here, like matteo, y2karl, nofundy, foldy, etc, but they are also capable of giving it a rest once in a while and having a congenial conversation about sports, or music or movies or whatever. It shows me that they are humans, not rhetoric-bots. I'm still waiting for proof from this guy. Plus the aforementioned people all have senses of humor and are capable of realizing that not all people who disagree with them are evil fascist ogres.
posted by jonmc at 9:08 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 9:08 AM on September 5, 2005
no such thing, unless you're an Apache or something. you're Irish/Italian, Giovanni
my nonno (just turned 90 on thursday, never drank tea in his life, he loved his java). His father in law liked his coffee too, preferably with grappa in it
posted by jonmc at 9:10 AM on September 5, 2005
my nonno (just turned 90 on thursday, never drank tea in his life, he loved his java). His father in law liked his coffee too, preferably with grappa in it
posted by jonmc at 9:10 AM on September 5, 2005
"I just think that grandiose faux-indignance and smug preaching deman the site"
Are you new around here? Did you buy this account on eBay? Have you been asleep for the last couple years? Should we be worried about you?
posted by y6y6y6 at 9:13 AM on September 5, 2005
Are you new around here? Did you buy this account on eBay? Have you been asleep for the last couple years? Should we be worried about you?
posted by y6y6y6 at 9:13 AM on September 5, 2005
" I'm sure his response will be to accuse me of being a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre"
I think jonmc is a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre. Shouldn't he be banned? Is boasting about eating babies allowed on MeFi?
And, if, as alleged, my commentary has been at the level of ParisParamus or dios, then all I can say is, please shoot me now! I'll pay you $500!
(true, some of my comments in the Myanmar thread made me look even stupider than I normally am. I was tired and angry and should have been sleeping, not posting. I apologised in the thread. It wasn't my finest moment, and I hope I learned something from it).
posted by cleardawn at 9:13 AM on September 5, 2005
I think jonmc is a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre. Shouldn't he be banned? Is boasting about eating babies allowed on MeFi?
And, if, as alleged, my commentary has been at the level of ParisParamus or dios, then all I can say is, please shoot me now! I'll pay you $500!
(true, some of my comments in the Myanmar thread made me look even stupider than I normally am. I was tired and angry and should have been sleeping, not posting. I apologised in the thread. It wasn't my finest moment, and I hope I learned something from it).
posted by cleardawn at 9:13 AM on September 5, 2005
well, you' can't argue with grappa.
like matteo, y2karl, nofundy, foldy
do you realize how massively different these four user's political stances are, with the sole exception of "the Iraq War is a disaster" and "Bush is a very bad President"?
and, sorry to scare you, about Bush's ability and Iraq Attaq's success there is at this point a firm global consensus -- only in the USA these points are still considered debatable
posted by matteo at 9:15 AM on September 5, 2005
like matteo, y2karl, nofundy, foldy
do you realize how massively different these four user's political stances are, with the sole exception of "the Iraq War is a disaster" and "Bush is a very bad President"?
and, sorry to scare you, about Bush's ability and Iraq Attaq's success there is at this point a firm global consensus -- only in the USA these points are still considered debatable
posted by matteo at 9:15 AM on September 5, 2005
To repeat myself, sic: speechifying to promote one's ideology is frowned upon here or so I thought. And pretty much all his comments are speechifying and scolding.
With all due respect jon, the links you've provided are not much different than the way many others speechify on MetaFilter. And as far as scolding (and again, with all due respect), you are the House Nanny of this place.
I haven't read those threads, so I don't know if this guy (what's his name again?) has treated others like fascist ogres for disagreeing with him, but the original statements, the links you provided just don't jump out at me as anything special...
posted by sic at 9:16 AM on September 5, 2005
With all due respect jon, the links you've provided are not much different than the way many others speechify on MetaFilter. And as far as scolding (and again, with all due respect), you are the House Nanny of this place.
I haven't read those threads, so I don't know if this guy (what's his name again?) has treated others like fascist ogres for disagreeing with him, but the original statements, the links you provided just don't jump out at me as anything special...
posted by sic at 9:16 AM on September 5, 2005
(true, some of my comments in the Myanmar thread made me look even stupider than I normally am. I was tired and angry and should have been sleeping, not posting. I apologised in the thread. It wasn't my finest moment, and I hope I learned something from it).
posted by cleardawn at 9:13 AM PST on September 5 [!]
See? He's human!
posted by sic at 9:18 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by cleardawn at 9:13 AM PST on September 5 [!]
See? He's human!
posted by sic at 9:18 AM on September 5, 2005
and, sorry to scare you, about Bush's ability and Iraq Attaq's success there is at this point a firm global consensus -- only in the USA these points are still considered debatable
That dosen't scare me. In fact I agree with it, as you well know.
I don't know if this guy (what's his name again?) has treated others like fascist ogres for disagreeing with him,
His response to me here:Nor do the other folks (dios, parisparamus, etc etc) who share your adolescent rightwing worldview, and who, I'm sure, will be happy to join you in attacking me.
he assumes that I'm a dios/PP style republican for questioning him, which even a cursory glance at my posting history would prove that to be false. That's lazy thinking on his part.
posted by jonmc at 9:20 AM on September 5, 2005
That dosen't scare me. In fact I agree with it, as you well know.
I don't know if this guy (what's his name again?) has treated others like fascist ogres for disagreeing with him,
His response to me here:Nor do the other folks (dios, parisparamus, etc etc) who share your adolescent rightwing worldview, and who, I'm sure, will be happy to join you in attacking me.
he assumes that I'm a dios/PP style republican for questioning him, which even a cursory glance at my posting history would prove that to be false. That's lazy thinking on his part.
posted by jonmc at 9:20 AM on September 5, 2005
I'm sure if cleardawn was berating atheists about accepting Jesus Christ as the savior the response here would be very different.
posted by gyc at 9:20 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by gyc at 9:20 AM on September 5, 2005
I have no problem with cleardawn. He certainly is not even close to the only member who stands on a soapbox around here.
Let the workers UNITE!
posted by caddis at 9:21 AM on September 5, 2005
Let the workers UNITE!
posted by caddis at 9:21 AM on September 5, 2005
Ah, so he compared you to dios and pp. That is a low blow.
posted by sic at 9:25 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by sic at 9:25 AM on September 5, 2005
There are plenty of politically opinionated people here, like matteo, y2karl, nofundy, foldy, etc, but they are also capable of giving it a rest once in a while and having a congenial conversation about sports, or music or movies or whatever. It shows me that they are humans, not rhetoric-bots. I'm still waiting for proof from this guy. Plus the aforementioned people all have senses of humor
C'mon, cleardawn. No jokes? No comments on {insert a sports team here}? Try it now so that everyone can pile on and scream "Take it to MetaChat!"
Geeze.
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:25 AM on September 5, 2005
C'mon, cleardawn. No jokes? No comments on {insert a sports team here}? Try it now so that everyone can pile on and scream "Take it to MetaChat!"
Geeze.
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:25 AM on September 5, 2005
I think jonmc is a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre.
johnmc may be a baby-eating ogre, but he's not Bush-loving, nor Republican.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:26 AM on September 5, 2005
johnmc may be a baby-eating ogre, but he's not Bush-loving, nor Republican.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:26 AM on September 5, 2005
And although I'm sure his response will be to accuse me of being a Bush-loving fascist republican baby-eating ogre,
jonmc, of the thousands - possibly millions - of stupid things you've said on Metafilter, this is by far the most idiotic.
"I'M SURE HIS RESPONSE WILL BE . . ." Hey hotshot how about letting the man fucking speak for himself? How about not attempting to frame his response before he even shows up? How about not painting him into a corner ahead of time?
Are you getting it yet?
All hail our new lord and savior, the High Prophet jonmc.
You and I both, frequently, act like complete assholes on this site, but I can't recall a single incident where I - or prior to this thread you - ever said anything remotely as offensive in its sheer stupidity as that statement.
Wow. Just . . . wow.
posted by Ryvar at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc, of the thousands - possibly millions - of stupid things you've said on Metafilter, this is by far the most idiotic.
"I'M SURE HIS RESPONSE WILL BE . . ." Hey hotshot how about letting the man fucking speak for himself? How about not attempting to frame his response before he even shows up? How about not painting him into a corner ahead of time?
Are you getting it yet?
All hail our new lord and savior, the High Prophet jonmc.
You and I both, frequently, act like complete assholes on this site, but I can't recall a single incident where I - or prior to this thread you - ever said anything remotely as offensive in its sheer stupidity as that statement.
Wow. Just . . . wow.
posted by Ryvar at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc is a baby-eating ogre--Paul Westerberg f'in told me so...
posted by hototogisu at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by hototogisu at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
And just how are the baby-meat sandwiches at Katz's these days? I remember when they used to put little bits of tibia and skull in 'em. Now it's all processed baby feet.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:28 AM on September 5, 2005
It's like a massive soap warehouse with 20,000+ people bickering on the roof.
posted by fire&wings at 9:29 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by fire&wings at 9:29 AM on September 5, 2005
You and I both, frequently, act like complete assholes on this site, but I can't recall a single incident where I - or prior to this thread you - ever said anything remotely as offensive in its sheer stupidity as that statement.
and yet, somehow I was right. Intererpreting any criticism as an attempt to silence, seeing anyone who dosen't interpret the world his way as the enemy, these things are antithetical to true discussion and debate, and that is what I am objecting to.
posted by jonmc at 9:31 AM on September 5, 2005
and yet, somehow I was right. Intererpreting any criticism as an attempt to silence, seeing anyone who dosen't interpret the world his way as the enemy, these things are antithetical to true discussion and debate, and that is what I am objecting to.
posted by jonmc at 9:31 AM on September 5, 2005
sorry wrong link above. here's the correct one. which he posted after I posted this thread.
posted by jonmc at 9:32 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 9:32 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc, you do have a point in that last post. That was lazy thinking on my part.
Just because you claim to be friends with lots of Florida ex-Cubans, whose views you say you share, doesn't prove that you have a rightwing viewpoint.
On the other hand, it does STRONGLY SUGGEST that you have a right wing viewpoint. Perhaps I should have made more effort to find out about all the charity work you've done, poems you've written, little old ladies you've helped across the road, etc, before I respond to your posts.
Then again, perhaps I should carry on being lazy, and just respond to what you actually post?
posted by cleardawn at 9:38 AM on September 5, 2005
Just because you claim to be friends with lots of Florida ex-Cubans, whose views you say you share, doesn't prove that you have a rightwing viewpoint.
On the other hand, it does STRONGLY SUGGEST that you have a right wing viewpoint. Perhaps I should have made more effort to find out about all the charity work you've done, poems you've written, little old ladies you've helped across the road, etc, before I respond to your posts.
Then again, perhaps I should carry on being lazy, and just respond to what you actually post?
posted by cleardawn at 9:38 AM on September 5, 2005
Intererpreting any criticism as an attempt to silence
So what was the point of starting a MetaTalk thread about him? Did you email him directly first? If not, what are you hoping this thread accomplishes? I can understand why you found his comment to you obnoxious, I just can't understand what makes it, errr, unusually obnoxious.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:38 AM on September 5, 2005
So what was the point of starting a MetaTalk thread about him? Did you email him directly first? If not, what are you hoping this thread accomplishes? I can understand why you found his comment to you obnoxious, I just can't understand what makes it, errr, unusually obnoxious.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:38 AM on September 5, 2005
and yet, somehow I was right.
and yet, somehow, you completely missed my point. Whether or not your portrayl of him was accurate is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether you let people speak for themselves without telling other people what is going to be said about you ahead of time.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You aren't a prophet, you aren't a seer, and you shouldn't be speaking for those you're attempting to bring down before they've had a chance to defend themselves.
posted by Ryvar at 9:39 AM on September 5, 2005
and yet, somehow, you completely missed my point. Whether or not your portrayl of him was accurate is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether you let people speak for themselves without telling other people what is going to be said about you ahead of time.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You aren't a prophet, you aren't a seer, and you shouldn't be speaking for those you're attempting to bring down before they've had a chance to defend themselves.
posted by Ryvar at 9:39 AM on September 5, 2005
From the same thread:
Hurricane Ivan didn't even hit Cuba, you dolt. It grazed cuba's western tip. No wonder it didn't kill anybody. Compare it to Katrina, you stupid shitbox clown shoes.
posted by techgnollogic at 10:54 PM PST on September 4 [!]
Now that guy's a dick! Maybe you need to grow a thicker skin?
posted by sic at 9:42 AM on September 5, 2005
Hurricane Ivan didn't even hit Cuba, you dolt. It grazed cuba's western tip. No wonder it didn't kill anybody. Compare it to Katrina, you stupid shitbox clown shoes.
posted by techgnollogic at 10:54 PM PST on September 4 [!]
Now that guy's a dick! Maybe you need to grow a thicker skin?
posted by sic at 9:42 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc: kiss and make up?
I promise I won't call you an evil hitler baby-eater Bush voter fag, if you promise to stop trying to lecture me on what political posts I can and can't make?
posted by cleardawn at 9:44 AM on September 5, 2005
I promise I won't call you an evil hitler baby-eater Bush voter fag, if you promise to stop trying to lecture me on what political posts I can and can't make?
posted by cleardawn at 9:44 AM on September 5, 2005
(I rather like cleardawn.)
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:45 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:45 AM on September 5, 2005
I'm finishing my coffee and my temper is cooling down, so cleardawn, if you'll indulge me I'll try to explain what bugs me about the comments you've made and your attitude towards me.
Just because you claim to be friends with lots of Florida ex-Cubans, whose views you say you share, doesn't prove that you have a rightwing viewpoint.
Firstly, living in Dade County, it would be difficult not to make the acquaintance of a lot of ex-Cubans. And yeah, my friends told me their family stories, and I took them for what they were worth, that maybe not all anger at Castro's Cuba is simply right wing propoganda, that some of it may in fact, be legitimate and justified. And since these people have direct experience with the matter, I'm inclined to give their opinions a little more weight than someone who hasn't had the same experiences.
On the other hand, it does STRONGLY SUGGEST that you have a right wing viewpoint. Perhaps I should have made more effort to find out about all the charity work you've done, poems you've written, little old ladies you've helped across the road, etc, before I respond to your posts.
Then again, perhaps I should carry on being lazy, and just respond to what you actually post?
Or you could simply give people the benefit of the doubt and actually listen to them? Unwarranted assumptions like the one's you made have done more to turn me off from politics than just about anything.
posted by jonmc at 9:46 AM on September 5, 2005
Just because you claim to be friends with lots of Florida ex-Cubans, whose views you say you share, doesn't prove that you have a rightwing viewpoint.
Firstly, living in Dade County, it would be difficult not to make the acquaintance of a lot of ex-Cubans. And yeah, my friends told me their family stories, and I took them for what they were worth, that maybe not all anger at Castro's Cuba is simply right wing propoganda, that some of it may in fact, be legitimate and justified. And since these people have direct experience with the matter, I'm inclined to give their opinions a little more weight than someone who hasn't had the same experiences.
On the other hand, it does STRONGLY SUGGEST that you have a right wing viewpoint. Perhaps I should have made more effort to find out about all the charity work you've done, poems you've written, little old ladies you've helped across the road, etc, before I respond to your posts.
Then again, perhaps I should carry on being lazy, and just respond to what you actually post?
Or you could simply give people the benefit of the doubt and actually listen to them? Unwarranted assumptions like the one's you made have done more to turn me off from politics than just about anything.
posted by jonmc at 9:46 AM on September 5, 2005
sic, I agree technologic is being a dick and I said as much in the thread. and I'm not trying to tell you that some of the stuff you say is alienating people whose views arent as distant (although fundamentally different in other ways, since I am not a marxist. I don't believe Marxists are evil or anything, just wrong) from yours as you might imagine.
Take it for whatever it's worth.
posted by jonmc at 9:49 AM on September 5, 2005
Take it for whatever it's worth.
posted by jonmc at 9:49 AM on September 5, 2005
That techgnollogic post is causing me great angst because I've always thought he was a total dick without a single worthwhile comment to his name and yet "stupid shitbox clown shoes" is not only one of the most amusing things I've read here in a while, but if a Google search is any indication, genuinely original.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:49 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:49 AM on September 5, 2005
and I'm not trying to tell you that some of the stuff you say is alienating people whose views arent as distant
Dammit, I'm too hungover to type accuratelyy with these damned flippers. What I meant to say was : " I'm not trying to tell you what you can post, Im trying to tell you that some of the stuff you say is alienating people whose views arent as distant..." etc. etc.
posted by jonmc at 9:53 AM on September 5, 2005
Dammit, I'm too hungover to type accuratelyy with these damned flippers. What I meant to say was : " I'm not trying to tell you what you can post, Im trying to tell you that some of the stuff you say is alienating people whose views arent as distant..." etc. etc.
posted by jonmc at 9:53 AM on September 5, 2005
You know, cleardawn may not even like KISS. Ban 'im.
posted by Vidiot at 9:59 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Vidiot at 9:59 AM on September 5, 2005
Or you could simply give people the benefit of the doubt and actually listen to them?
I have spent the past three days working 8AM-10PM on this stupid move, so perhaps I'm not in the most stable of moods, but I literally just grabbed the sides of my head with both hands, tore it off my shoulders, and beat it against the wall several times.
I've been trying for five minutes now but I can't seem to figure out how to screw it back on, and there's all these paint smears all over it due to the walls still being wet. Somehow I'll still manage to blame you for my own actions, like a Republican would.
You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
posted by Ryvar at 10:00 AM on September 5, 2005
I have spent the past three days working 8AM-10PM on this stupid move, so perhaps I'm not in the most stable of moods, but I literally just grabbed the sides of my head with both hands, tore it off my shoulders, and beat it against the wall several times.
I've been trying for five minutes now but I can't seem to figure out how to screw it back on, and there's all these paint smears all over it due to the walls still being wet. Somehow I'll still manage to blame you for my own actions, like a Republican would.
You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
posted by Ryvar at 10:00 AM on September 5, 2005
Vidiot, I don't want him banned and you know that. I'm just trying to make a point about what makes for good debate and coversation. And this place was subtitled "Weblog as Converstion."
posted by jonmc at 10:01 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:01 AM on September 5, 2005
This is one of the best callouts ever. jonmc and cleardawn both are acting sanely and talking to one another.
MetaFilter: seems genuinely indignant
posted by blasdelf at 10:08 AM on September 5, 2005
MetaFilter: seems genuinely indignant
posted by blasdelf at 10:08 AM on September 5, 2005
jonme: I think you made your point. I just don't think it has a lot of support. We're all giving our opinions on these posts. We do have a few facts posted, but for the most part comments are "debate and conversation." If cleardawn keeps his comments civil and on topic, I can't see a need for a call out. Or did I miss where he called someone a fuckwit?
posted by ?! at 10:10 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by ?! at 10:10 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc: kiss and make up?
I promise I won't call you an evil hitler baby-eater Bush voter fag, if you promise to stop trying to lecture me on what political posts I can and can't make?
posted by cleardawn
Or did I miss where jonmc said, "Okay. Let's end this so we can get on with our hangovers in peace."
posted by leftcoastbob at 10:12 AM on September 5, 2005
I promise I won't call you an evil hitler baby-eater Bush voter fag, if you promise to stop trying to lecture me on what political posts I can and can't make?
posted by cleardawn
Or did I miss where jonmc said, "Okay. Let's end this so we can get on with our hangovers in peace."
posted by leftcoastbob at 10:12 AM on September 5, 2005
Well, he's offered his hand, kiss it and let's work on a good comeback for "stupid shitbox clown shoes"...!
posted by sic at 10:13 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by sic at 10:13 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc and cleardawn both are acting sanely and talking to one another.
Yes, isn't email wonderful?
posted by mediareport at 10:15 AM on September 5, 2005
Yes, isn't email wonderful?
posted by mediareport at 10:15 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc: Tea? I'm an American. I drink coffee. Or whiskey. or if possible napalm.
later...
to repeat myself, sic: speechifying to promote one's ideology is frowned upon here or so I thought.
Please, jonmc, you are putting me off my morning beer...
posted by Chuckles at 10:17 AM on September 5, 2005
later...
to repeat myself, sic: speechifying to promote one's ideology is frowned upon here or so I thought.
Please, jonmc, you are putting me off my morning beer...
posted by Chuckles at 10:17 AM on September 5, 2005
Well, he's offered his hand, kiss it ...
I'll shake it but I won't kiss it. I'm an american, dammit. (although i still doubt he's actually heard a word I said, but I'll just yell at the wall from here on out).
and let's work on a good comeback for "stupid shitbox clown shoes"
pissjar cowboy hat?
posted by jonmc at 10:18 AM on September 5, 2005
I'll shake it but I won't kiss it. I'm an american, dammit. (although i still doubt he's actually heard a word I said, but I'll just yell at the wall from here on out).
and let's work on a good comeback for "stupid shitbox clown shoes"
pissjar cowboy hat?
posted by jonmc at 10:18 AM on September 5, 2005
Nice one Jon , lets sort out the Marxists before we move on to the Deep Purple fans.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:24 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:24 AM on September 5, 2005
MetaFilter already is a left wing political blog. It happened some time ago, thousands of new members have joined with that assumption, and it is too late to do anything about it.
posted by LarryC at 10:29 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by LarryC at 10:29 AM on September 5, 2005
jonmc: "I'm too hungover..."
Damn, I was just about to ask if that was the case.
posted by mischief at 10:32 AM on September 5, 2005
Damn, I was just about to ask if that was the case.
posted by mischief at 10:32 AM on September 5, 2005
sarge: Would that be Deep Purple mk I, mk II, mk III, ...?
posted by mischief at 10:34 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by mischief at 10:34 AM on September 5, 2005
The Gillan-Blackmore configuration of the Purple is the only one that matters (although Tommy Bolin was not without his charms).
posted by jonmc at 10:36 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:36 AM on September 5, 2005
Everything after Hush was crap.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:43 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:43 AM on September 5, 2005
Please, Shanks. "Space Truckin," one of the finest stompers ever.
posted by jonmc at 10:44 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:44 AM on September 5, 2005
Fascist.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:45 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:45 AM on September 5, 2005
And Joe South's original version of "Hush," was better than the Purple's. But it wasn't as good as "Games People Play," which was....
*has geek meltdown, explodes*
posted by jonmc at 10:52 AM on September 5, 2005
*has geek meltdown, explodes*
posted by jonmc at 10:52 AM on September 5, 2005
(Has not recovered from shame of thinking Made In Japan version of Child In Time was, like, totally cathartic emotional experience at age 15.)
On preview: Stands behind Krrrlson and makes googly faces.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:54 AM on September 5, 2005
On preview: Stands behind Krrrlson and makes googly faces.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:54 AM on September 5, 2005
(Has not recovered from shame of thinking Made In Japan version of Child In Time was, like, totally cathartic emotional experience at age 15.)
(actually takes out Perfect Strangers, the mk. II mid-80's reunion album on occasion, matter of fact it's spinning on the turntable right now....)
Sweet Lucy was a dancer
But none of us would chance her
Because she was a samurai.....
posted by jonmc at 11:00 AM on September 5, 2005
(actually takes out Perfect Strangers, the mk. II mid-80's reunion album on occasion, matter of fact it's spinning on the turntable right now....)
Sweet Lucy was a dancer
But none of us would chance her
Because she was a samurai.....
posted by jonmc at 11:00 AM on September 5, 2005
It gets stronger as the river flowsposted by mischief at 11:21 AM on September 5, 2005
Deeper baby, heaven knows
Higher, as it goes
Do I love you, my oh my
River deep, mountain high
jonmc: Shut yer cheesehole you mock-rockin' turdburgler.
Can I have two soap boxes? I promise I'll just take 'em and quietly go away to argue with myself.
posted by loquacious at 11:22 AM on September 5, 2005
Can I have two soap boxes? I promise I'll just take 'em and quietly go away to argue with myself.
posted by loquacious at 11:22 AM on September 5, 2005
On preview: Stands behind Krrrlson and makes googly faces.
I can't see them cuz you're on my killfile.
posted by Krrrlson at 11:25 AM on September 5, 2005
I can't see them cuz you're on my killfile.
posted by Krrrlson at 11:25 AM on September 5, 2005
loquacious, I'm shocked.
"turdburglar," is spelled with an "a." Sheesh.
posted by jonmc at 11:26 AM on September 5, 2005
"turdburglar," is spelled with an "a." Sheesh.
posted by jonmc at 11:26 AM on September 5, 2005
Your mom is spelled with an "A".
HELLO, BURN WARD? INCOMING!
posted by loquacious at 11:32 AM on September 5, 2005
HELLO, BURN WARD? INCOMING!
posted by loquacious at 11:32 AM on September 5, 2005
Yeah, except that it's my brain that's burnt, burt to a crisp, and this place did it, among other things. I shoulda stuck to working in strip malls and living in the boondocks, I guess. I was probably a lot happier when I thought I was miserable.
posted by jonmc at 11:43 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 11:43 AM on September 5, 2005
I knew a Burt Crisp once. Cranky motherfucker, he was.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:49 AM on September 5, 2005
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:49 AM on September 5, 2005
Now I know jonmc doesn't wax his pubes, I don't want him to kiss me anyway.
Let's just shake hands, then, and agree to give each other a little more benefit of the doubt...
(shakes)
LarryC, I certainly don't agree that MeFi is a lefty blog. It would be a shame if that happened.
I've made some leftwing posts, certainly, and some non-political posts too - but many others make rightwing posts, and that's good. It permits debate. And I can learn from that, which, selfishly, is my main reason for being here.
And vidiot, while we're on the subject, you pull the trigger on my...
LOOVE GUUUN, LOOOOOOVE GUUUUUUN
posted by cleardawn at 11:51 AM on September 5, 2005
Let's just shake hands, then, and agree to give each other a little more benefit of the doubt...
(shakes)
LarryC, I certainly don't agree that MeFi is a lefty blog. It would be a shame if that happened.
I've made some leftwing posts, certainly, and some non-political posts too - but many others make rightwing posts, and that's good. It permits debate. And I can learn from that, which, selfishly, is my main reason for being here.
And vidiot, while we're on the subject, you pull the trigger on my...
LOOVE GUUUN, LOOOOOOVE GUUUUUUN
posted by cleardawn at 11:51 AM on September 5, 2005
fairnough, cleardawn. and if you're ever in Queens, I'll buy you a bottle of domestic beer. Anyone who likes Love Gun can't be all bad.
And I can learn from that, which, selfishly, is my main reason for being here.
Not selfish at all. That's kid of why I don't necessarily always get angry about right-wing comments here or in real life, especially when they come from people who seem to be fundamentally decent in most other ways. I wonder how they got there and why. I usually figure that there's some legitamite beef that got ignored or misirected. If I can learn what it is I can reach that person. Maybe that's pollyanna of me, but there you go.
posted by jonmc at 11:59 AM on September 5, 2005
And I can learn from that, which, selfishly, is my main reason for being here.
Not selfish at all. That's kid of why I don't necessarily always get angry about right-wing comments here or in real life, especially when they come from people who seem to be fundamentally decent in most other ways. I wonder how they got there and why. I usually figure that there's some legitamite beef that got ignored or misirected. If I can learn what it is I can reach that person. Maybe that's pollyanna of me, but there you go.
posted by jonmc at 11:59 AM on September 5, 2005
Group hug!
posted by languagehat at 12:04 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by languagehat at 12:04 PM on September 5, 2005
Wow. I'm ten minutes dumber for the five minutes I spent reading this thread.
posted by elwoodwiles at 12:08 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by elwoodwiles at 12:08 PM on September 5, 2005
Is this thread about jonmc or cleardawn? I'm gonna make me a grilled cheese sandwich, drink a Guinness and try to figure that out.
posted by sciurus at 12:10 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by sciurus at 12:10 PM on September 5, 2005
jonmc, in the future will you refrain from using Metatalk as your own private soapbox for airing minor personal disputes arising from political threads? We get enough of that from real idiots already. (Everyone should also realize I'm also talking to all y'all callout-happy "I should never be offended!" types even more; who d'ya think I mean by 'real idiots'?)
And jonmc, your "voice of moderation" pose is so cute! Which T-shirt should I picture you wearing?
posted by davy at 12:42 PM on September 5, 2005
And jonmc, your "voice of moderation" pose is so cute! Which T-shirt should I picture you wearing?
posted by davy at 12:42 PM on September 5, 2005
Is this thread about jonmc or cleardawn? I'm gonna make me a grilled cheese sandwich, drink a Guinness and try to figure that out.
posted by sciurus at 12:10 PM PST on September 5 [!]
I believe it was hangover therapy for jon.
Davy, I think jon should wear this t-shirt from now on when he posts to MetaTalk.
posted by sic at 12:50 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by sciurus at 12:10 PM PST on September 5 [!]
I believe it was hangover therapy for jon.
Davy, I think jon should wear this t-shirt from now on when he posts to MetaTalk.
posted by sic at 12:50 PM on September 5, 2005
jonmc, in the future will you refrain from using Metatalk as your own private soapbox for airing minor personal disputes arising from political threads?
If I confront someone in a thread, I'm "shitting on the thread," If I bring a beef here, I'm making a useless callout. No matter what you say or do, somebody's going to find a reason to object to it. Not worth bothering, ultimately, I guess.
posted by jonmc at 1:04 PM on September 5, 2005
If I confront someone in a thread, I'm "shitting on the thread," If I bring a beef here, I'm making a useless callout. No matter what you say or do, somebody's going to find a reason to object to it. Not worth bothering, ultimately, I guess.
posted by jonmc at 1:04 PM on September 5, 2005
MetaFilter: Not worth bothering, ultimately, I guess.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:42 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:42 PM on September 5, 2005
Metafilter: Will make you ten minutes dumber for each five you spend reading.
posted by OmieWise at 1:49 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by OmieWise at 1:49 PM on September 5, 2005
I still haven't reached a decision. More Guinness is called for.
posted by sciurus at 2:11 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by sciurus at 2:11 PM on September 5, 2005
Everything after Hush was crap.
For a minute there, I thought you were talking about Buffy episodes.
posted by bingo at 2:13 PM on September 5, 2005
i gots to steal loquacious' "burn ward" line. in fact, i'm going to use it on my friends later today.
posted by Hat Maui at 4:15 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by Hat Maui at 4:15 PM on September 5, 2005
The Gillan-Blackmore configuration of the Purple is the only one that matters (although Tommy Bolin was not without his charms).
seemed like elevator music to me ...
posted by pyramid termite at 4:17 PM on September 5, 2005
seemed like elevator music to me ...
posted by pyramid termite at 4:17 PM on September 5, 2005
OmieWise, you can't alter the quote in order to make a tagline, it has to remain intact.
As so:
Metafilter: I'm ten minutes dumber for the five minutes I spent reading this thread.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:30 PM on September 5, 2005
As so:
Metafilter: I'm ten minutes dumber for the five minutes I spent reading this thread.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:30 PM on September 5, 2005
bingo, there was once good episode after "Hush" - OMWF.
posted by jonson at 4:42 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonson at 4:42 PM on September 5, 2005
and pyramid termite: if you think Tommy Bolin was "elevator music, I'm going to have to assume you've never heard "Quadrant 4" that he did with Billy Cobham. Or that you're deaf.
posted by jonmc at 4:55 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by jonmc at 4:55 PM on September 5, 2005
Metafilter: you can't alter the quote in order to make a tagline, it has to remain intact.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:39 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by madamjujujive at 6:39 PM on September 5, 2005
"stupid shitbox clown shoes" is not only one of the most amusing things I've read here in a while, but if a Google search is any indication, genuinely original.
Stupid and shitbox are commonplace. Clownshoes is not only in the style of, but is one of the many noun+noun imaginary epithets popularized and spread far and wide by the SA Forums. We've had many irruptions of SAspeak here, often with breathless clapping of little hands in response. Same same. I like the epithets when they're clever, too, of course, but don't go ascribing more creative juice to techgnollogic than he deserves.
cf. shitmittens
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:11 PM on September 5, 2005
Stupid and shitbox are commonplace. Clownshoes is not only in the style of, but is one of the many noun+noun imaginary epithets popularized and spread far and wide by the SA Forums. We've had many irruptions of SAspeak here, often with breathless clapping of little hands in response. Same same. I like the epithets when they're clever, too, of course, but don't go ascribing more creative juice to techgnollogic than he deserves.
cf. shitmittens
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:11 PM on September 5, 2005
We've had many irruptions of SAspeak here, often with breathless clapping of little hands in response.
Ooh you bitch.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 7:24 PM on September 5, 2005
Ooh you bitch.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 7:24 PM on September 5, 2005
I didn't bother reading the first 95% of this thread, but I think jonmc has a point. He has one bent and he's obviously thrusting it on the thread, even comparing the right-wing to rapists. I recommend toning down the rhetoric to keep this site sane.
posted by geoff. at 7:25 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by geoff. at 7:25 PM on September 5, 2005
Agreeing with stav here. Clownshoes is a common SA epithet, but shitbox is a new one to me and I kinda like it. Lot's of good imagery potential there.
Your squalid trailer home? Shitbox.
Your Coke can-filled Honda Element? Shitbox.
Your freakishly cubic skull? Shitbox.
The latest Peter Molyneux game? Shitbox.
posted by Ryvar at 7:32 PM on September 5, 2005
Your squalid trailer home? Shitbox.
Your Coke can-filled Honda Element? Shitbox.
Your freakishly cubic skull? Shitbox.
The latest Peter Molyneux game? Shitbox.
posted by Ryvar at 7:32 PM on September 5, 2005
Lot's of good imagery potential there.
*sigh* Your dictionary? Shitbox.
posted by Ryvar at 7:33 PM on September 5, 2005
*sigh* Your dictionary? Shitbox.
posted by Ryvar at 7:33 PM on September 5, 2005
"bingo, there was once good episode after 'Hush' - OMWF"
The Body and Tabula Rasa were pretty good, too.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 7:51 PM on September 5, 2005
The Body and Tabula Rasa were pretty good, too.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 7:51 PM on September 5, 2005
What is "SAspeak"? Does 'is have sumfink to do wit' Südafrika?
It smells like turdfish to me.
posted by davy at 7:55 PM on September 5, 2005
It smells like turdfish to me.
posted by davy at 7:55 PM on September 5, 2005
"None of them contained enough Willow nudity."
There could not possibly be enough Willow nudity.
*sigh*
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 8:42 PM on September 5, 2005
There could not possibly be enough Willow nudity.
*sigh*
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 8:42 PM on September 5, 2005
I don't think providing a platform for the Gospel According To jonmc was what matt had in mind when he created MetaTalk...
...but you won't see me starting a MeTa thread about it. Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?
posted by clevershark at 8:57 PM on September 5, 2005
...but you won't see me starting a MeTa thread about it. Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?
posted by clevershark at 8:57 PM on September 5, 2005
It's occurred to me that jonmc is the new Miguel, posting fun MeTa threads in which he can carry on a conversation over the course of several dozen comments - the only difference being that instead of open-ended questions about MeFi culture they're always about the latest guy who looked at him sideways. I guess it's better than having no Miguel at all...
posted by soyjoy at 10:17 PM on September 5, 2005
posted by soyjoy at 10:17 PM on September 5, 2005
Wouldn't lots of people using it as their own private soapbox stop it from being private?
posted by fvw at 1:21 AM on September 6, 2005
posted by fvw at 1:21 AM on September 6, 2005
No.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:53 AM on September 6, 2005
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:53 AM on September 6, 2005
Jesus, you retards, "clown shoes" comes from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, and "shitbox" has been a black Southernism for YEARS!
posted by klangklangston at 6:55 AM on September 6, 2005
posted by klangklangston at 6:55 AM on September 6, 2005
If I confront someone in a thread, I'm "shitting on the thread," If I bring a beef here, I'm making a useless callout. No matter what you say or do, somebody's going to find a reason to object to it. Not worth bothering, ultimately, I guess.
Eh? I thought MeTa was to keep this stuff out of the threads. Mission Accomplished. Er, well, you know.
posted by dreamsign at 7:41 AM on September 6, 2005
Eh? I thought MeTa was to keep this stuff out of the threads. Mission Accomplished. Er, well, you know.
posted by dreamsign at 7:41 AM on September 6, 2005
MetaFilter: I didn't bother reading the first 95% of this thread, but ...
and
MetaFilter: Comparing the right wing to rapists
and
MetaFilter: Toning down the rhetoric to keep this site sane.
All from one post, that's fantastic!
Thanks for your support, Geoff!
posted by cleardawn at 12:01 PM on September 6, 2005
and
MetaFilter: Comparing the right wing to rapists
and
MetaFilter: Toning down the rhetoric to keep this site sane.
All from one post, that's fantastic!
Thanks for your support, Geoff!
posted by cleardawn at 12:01 PM on September 6, 2005
Jesus, you retards, "clown shoes" comes from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, and "shitbox" has been a black Southernism for YEARS!
It's not just the notes, it's the order they're played in.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 12:12 PM on September 6, 2005
It's not just the notes, it's the order they're played in.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 12:12 PM on September 6, 2005
This thread has successfully reminded me that I need to buy soap.
Seriously. It has.
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 1:44 PM on September 6, 2005
Seriously. It has.
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 1:44 PM on September 6, 2005
Jesus, you're still here?
*smacks thread upside the head and leaves (again)*
posted by sic at 4:26 PM on September 6, 2005
*smacks thread upside the head and leaves (again)*
posted by sic at 4:26 PM on September 6, 2005
Jesus, you retards, "clown shoes" comes from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
I stand firm that the true provenance was the SA Forums. More game developers than scriptwriters there, probably, but still.
Anyway, that does not militate against the idea that it also appeared in Jay and Silent Bob, asstractor.
*leans in for another smack*
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:42 PM on September 6, 2005
I stand firm that the true provenance was the SA Forums. More game developers than scriptwriters there, probably, but still.
Anyway, that does not militate against the idea that it also appeared in Jay and Silent Bob, asstractor.
*leans in for another smack*
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:42 PM on September 6, 2005
I love it when a thread ends in a clear, coherent consensus.
posted by cleardawn at 12:37 PM on September 13, 2005
posted by cleardawn at 12:37 PM on September 13, 2005
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commie!
how DARE he preach those Marxist ideals to us!
posted by Happydaz at 8:09 AM on September 5, 2005