Importance of private email exchanges? April 7, 2003 8:15 PM Subscribe
The e-mail undercurrent: how important are private exchanges between MeFi users in day-to-day posting and, indeed, in the running of MetaFilter ? [More inside]
If I have anything to say, I post it for all to read. That would include any response to email sent me, which I will quote as I see fit.
posted by mischief at 8:22 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by mischief at 8:22 PM on April 7, 2003
the only time I've ever gotten e-mail from mefiers was back when I told you to shut up a couple times!
posted by mcsweetie at 8:31 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by mcsweetie at 8:31 PM on April 7, 2003
....where users could leave private messages for each other - to be accessed, say, by their password?
hotmail.com. really, there is no reason why someone can't have even a MeFi-only emailbox if they wanted to. Some people just don't want to, and it's not the law of the land so they don't. People will derail threads even if they could email people. I almost never send or receive email regarding MeFi and that's okay by me. The last thing I feel like I need are more asynchronous communiques to check obsessively.
posted by jessamyn at 8:59 PM on April 7, 2003
hotmail.com. really, there is no reason why someone can't have even a MeFi-only emailbox if they wanted to. Some people just don't want to, and it's not the law of the land so they don't. People will derail threads even if they could email people. I almost never send or receive email regarding MeFi and that's okay by me. The last thing I feel like I need are more asynchronous communiques to check obsessively.
posted by jessamyn at 8:59 PM on April 7, 2003
True, jessamyn - but people would still have to go to the hotmail account to check. I was thinking more (admittedly in my dreams) along the lines of a "my messages" on the front page's dropdown menu, so that it would be integrated with the MetaFilter experience.
I'm sure more people would leave (and read) messages if they were in-site.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:20 PM on April 7, 2003
I'm sure more people would leave (and read) messages if they were in-site.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:20 PM on April 7, 2003
I just got one tonight. The entire contents:
What the fuck is your problem?
I was proud the question was in the singular. I guess the sender didn't want the answer published too widely -- as if the court records are sealed.
slightly ot: I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I would kill to see some people in this community go 1-1 without the overhead of an open thread. Kind of SidebarFilter or you know, JaneYouIgnorantSlutFilter where the thread is readonly except for the two engaged in it -- this used to be called the 'war-room' in oldtime bbs world -- but I guess trackbacks are the weblog world's answer to that.
posted by victors at 9:24 PM on April 7, 2003
What the fuck is your problem?
I was proud the question was in the singular. I guess the sender didn't want the answer published too widely -- as if the court records are sealed.
slightly ot: I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I would kill to see some people in this community go 1-1 without the overhead of an open thread. Kind of SidebarFilter or you know, JaneYouIgnorantSlutFilter where the thread is readonly except for the two engaged in it -- this used to be called the 'war-room' in oldtime bbs world -- but I guess trackbacks are the weblog world's answer to that.
posted by victors at 9:24 PM on April 7, 2003
I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed before!! Also, mcsweetie, while I don't go in for Miguel bashing (I'm a not too closeted Miguelista), your two "shut up" comments made me laugh out loud, as did Crunchland's follow up in the first link. Quality material!
posted by jonson at 9:26 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by jonson at 9:26 PM on April 7, 2003
I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed before!!
here, here and here from a very basic search.
posted by Mahogne at 9:33 PM on April 7, 2003
here, here and here from a very basic search.
posted by Mahogne at 9:33 PM on April 7, 2003
Mahogne: be fair, this wasn't a feature request; rather a question about the importance of private e-mail exchanges on MetaFilter - which hasn't, as far as I know, been the subject of a thread.
P.S. Thanks for your e-mail: duly replied! ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:40 PM on April 7, 2003
P.S. Thanks for your e-mail: duly replied! ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:40 PM on April 7, 2003
here, here and here from a very basic search.
(Could be wrong, but I think jonson was being facetious)
posted by Karl at 9:45 PM on April 7, 2003
(Could be wrong, but I think jonson was being facetious)
posted by Karl at 9:45 PM on April 7, 2003
Miguel, I fear that your suggestion would be more abused than properly used, though it seems that you're looking for a way to stop the incivility that often occurs in threads. Which is an admirable goal, but inevitably futile, I think.
Meanwhile, I'd like to seek your commments on a Portuguese restaurant with lovely salt cod in NYC called Alfama, on Hudson St. Not to [/derail].
posted by lackutrol at 9:47 PM on April 7, 2003
Meanwhile, I'd like to seek your commments on a Portuguese restaurant with lovely salt cod in NYC called Alfama, on Hudson St. Not to [/derail].
posted by lackutrol at 9:47 PM on April 7, 2003
In my experience, they're absolutely crucial. It's where delicate matters are broached; indelicate oversights pointed out; untenable differences accepted and understood; public misunderstandings explained and sometimes even ironed out.
Funny you should say that, Miguel. The one time I decided to take a beef with you to e-mail, rather than inflicting it on the denizens of MetaTalk, your only response was to tell me never to contact you again.
posted by rcade at 10:00 PM on April 7, 2003
Funny you should say that, Miguel. The one time I decided to take a beef with you to e-mail, rather than inflicting it on the denizens of MetaTalk, your only response was to tell me never to contact you again.
posted by rcade at 10:00 PM on April 7, 2003
Could be wrong, but I think jonson was being facetious
Thanks, Karl, you're not wrong! I wish I'd been tracking responses over the months here from those who can't recognize sarcasm without [/sarcasm] tags; I swear I must be in the dozens now. usually someone who's a little more astute (or a tad less knee jerk) comes along and explains it for the reactionaries. No insult intended, some of the best and brightest here have failed to recognize fairly obvious jokes.
posted by jonson at 10:02 PM on April 7, 2003
Thanks, Karl, you're not wrong! I wish I'd been tracking responses over the months here from those who can't recognize sarcasm without [/sarcasm] tags; I swear I must be in the dozens now. usually someone who's a little more astute (or a tad less knee jerk) comes along and explains it for the reactionaries. No insult intended, some of the best and brightest here have failed to recognize fairly obvious jokes.
posted by jonson at 10:02 PM on April 7, 2003
your only response was to tell me never to contact you again.
And don't think I didn't appreciate the fact that you didn't, rcade.
deflecting and absorbing a significant load of potential nastiness
You seem to have forgotten this part of my list of the advantages of e-mail, which is far more relevant to the case in question. Yours, btw, was the only e-mail, nasty or not, which I replied to in the way I did. If it's any consolation.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:11 PM on April 7, 2003
And don't think I didn't appreciate the fact that you didn't, rcade.
deflecting and absorbing a significant load of potential nastiness
You seem to have forgotten this part of my list of the advantages of e-mail, which is far more relevant to the case in question. Yours, btw, was the only e-mail, nasty or not, which I replied to in the way I did. If it's any consolation.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:11 PM on April 7, 2003
I've often thought a private messaging system on MeFi would be cool (hey, if it was my site, there would be gizmos and plug-ins everywhere), but on the other hand, sometimes it just creates more nastiness if the arguments and abuses take place in private. If user A wants to blast user B, let 'em do it in public. It will probably just reveal what a (insert regional euphemism here) user A really is.
posted by Jimbob at 10:22 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by Jimbob at 10:22 PM on April 7, 2003
A thread I posted on November 24th, 2000, asked about an instant messaging system.
posted by riffola at 10:30 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by riffola at 10:30 PM on April 7, 2003
A thread I posted on November 24th, 2000, asked about an instant messaging system.
I was testing it out last week, and all that's left to do is add ignore lists.
matt: instead of individually adding 17144 names to 17145 ignore lists, it may be faster to copy the entire 17145 entry list 17145 times, and just remove the entry for the user whose ignore list it is.
posted by eddydamascene at 10:49 PM on April 7, 2003
I was testing it out last week, and all that's left to do is add ignore lists.
matt: instead of individually adding 17144 names to 17145 ignore lists, it may be faster to copy the entire 17145 entry list 17145 times, and just remove the entry for the user whose ignore list it is.
posted by eddydamascene at 10:49 PM on April 7, 2003
Personally I think MeFi doesn't need an instant messaging system anymore. Anyone who wants to chat can go to #mefi, and anyone who wants to be emailed can list their emails in their profiles.
posted by riffola at 10:56 PM on April 7, 2003
posted by riffola at 10:56 PM on April 7, 2003
your only response was to tell me never to contact you again.
And don't think I didn't appreciate the fact that you didn't, rcade.
Yours, btw, was the only e-mail, nasty or not, which I replied to in the way I did. If it's any consolation.
Wow, that is so out of character for you, Miguel. It must have been the atomic bomb of hate mail.
posted by y2karl at 11:03 PM on April 7, 2003
And don't think I didn't appreciate the fact that you didn't, rcade.
Yours, btw, was the only e-mail, nasty or not, which I replied to in the way I did. If it's any consolation.
Wow, that is so out of character for you, Miguel. It must have been the atomic bomb of hate mail.
posted by y2karl at 11:03 PM on April 7, 2003
Not guaranteed to be successful anyway, as it depends on the integrity of the particular user.
eg, in these comments, S@Linwood accuses me of wishing for a ban on someone - which is such a tragically inaccurate reading of my comments as to suggest a deliberate misreading.
And no, he didn't respond to my two emails, asking for a retraction. Shame.
posted by dash_slot- at 12:03 AM on April 8, 2003
eg, in these comments, S@Linwood accuses me of wishing for a ban on someone - which is such a tragically inaccurate reading of my comments as to suggest a deliberate misreading.
And no, he didn't respond to my two emails, asking for a retraction. Shame.
posted by dash_slot- at 12:03 AM on April 8, 2003
I don't think it's right to go on about Steve@Linnwood in any context other than email now, dash_slot. If he won't answer your emails, he won't answer your emails. Get over it. He is young and has a very hard time admitting he's wrong. In the debate context, he slides around, introduces new topics, does anything but admit concede one point. In that , he is not alone here. As to his personal lapses, he never cops to them. He just walks.
It's self-centered and rude to make your beef with him noise in the threads. You're trying to win some concession or acknowledgement of error. It won't happen. Now stop it and stop annoying everyone else by bringing it up inappropriately. You're just making an ass of yourself.
posted by y2karl at 1:01 AM on April 8, 2003
It's self-centered and rude to make your beef with him noise in the threads. You're trying to win some concession or acknowledgement of error. It won't happen. Now stop it and stop annoying everyone else by bringing it up inappropriately. You're just making an ass of yourself.
posted by y2karl at 1:01 AM on April 8, 2003
I've just found a 100% guaranteed way to increase penis size and make cash fast which i wont bother with here but will email you all about in due course.
posted by sgt.serenity at 1:42 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by sgt.serenity at 1:42 AM on April 8, 2003
Oddly enough, I think adding an in-site message center / instant messaging service would detract from the overall site. What makes this place for me isn't necessarily the links, but the discussions of them. I'm entertained whether or not the posters agree on the topic, and sometimes the overly heated threads are a more satisfying read.
Making it easier for people to take the discussion to avenues I can't follow would, in my opinion, leave the site more bland- if not killing discussions out right. If I just came here for the links, I'd skim a link blog.
Of course, this is my opinion as I've first rolled out of bed sans sugar or anything. I'm thoroughly surprised I haven't typed out the lyrics to 'Old MacDonald.'
posted by FunkyHelix at 4:24 AM on April 8, 2003
Making it easier for people to take the discussion to avenues I can't follow would, in my opinion, leave the site more bland- if not killing discussions out right. If I just came here for the links, I'd skim a link blog.
Of course, this is my opinion as I've first rolled out of bed sans sugar or anything. I'm thoroughly surprised I haven't typed out the lyrics to 'Old MacDonald.'
posted by FunkyHelix at 4:24 AM on April 8, 2003
Anyone who wants to chat can go to #mefi
bah! #mefi is a rabid clicque where they shout you down using obscure in-joke references and everybody talks at once about different stuff. i'd stay clear myself except for occasional hinting i might get to be an op, in which case i'll kick-ban the lot of them, close down and password lock the channel. then i can put some serious moves on kassandra the bot, that little minx! w00t!
posted by quonsar at 5:22 AM on April 8, 2003
bah! #mefi is a rabid clicque where they shout you down using obscure in-joke references and everybody talks at once about different stuff. i'd stay clear myself except for occasional hinting i might get to be an op, in which case i'll kick-ban the lot of them, close down and password lock the channel. then i can put some serious moves on kassandra the bot, that little minx! w00t!
posted by quonsar at 5:22 AM on April 8, 2003
Have you tried decafe, quonsar? I hear it's just as good as the regular.
posted by FunkyHelix at 5:42 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by FunkyHelix at 5:42 AM on April 8, 2003
quonsar, there's always the choice of having private chats on #mefi.
I think that having private messages as part of metafilter is a bad idea. I think it would put a strain on already tight resources, give matt more unnecessary work and ultimately put more clutter in the threads as private conversations trickle into them. The 'Filter has been around for three years now and worked quite well without such a system, so why change it now?
posted by ashbury at 6:27 AM on April 8, 2003
I think that having private messages as part of metafilter is a bad idea. I think it would put a strain on already tight resources, give matt more unnecessary work and ultimately put more clutter in the threads as private conversations trickle into them. The 'Filter has been around for three years now and worked quite well without such a system, so why change it now?
posted by ashbury at 6:27 AM on April 8, 2003
I knew this had to be a Miguel question, even before I read who it was posted by...
If it matters, I think it was rcade who wrote me once to tell me to never contact him again. I could be wrong, I suppose...
posted by konolia at 6:43 AM on April 8, 2003
If it matters, I think it was rcade who wrote me once to tell me to never contact him again. I could be wrong, I suppose...
posted by konolia at 6:43 AM on April 8, 2003
You seem to have forgotten this part of my list of the advantages of e-mail, which is far more relevant to the case in question.
The only reason it deflected any nastiness is because I chose to let the matter drop, rather than following long-standing MetaTalk tradition and airing the beef publicly because no other means was available.
Now that you're celebrating the power of e-mail to defuse conflict, I only wish I could remember what the hell I was so hot and bothered about, so I could bring it back up again. Unfortunately, I'm terrible at holding a grudge.
Getting back on point, I would hate to see Matt implement a local e-mail system here, because I don't want to see anyone else suffer as I did. There's nothing more painful than to fire off a blistering and cathartic e-mail to an antagonist, only to get a curt "never contact me" in response.
posted by rcade at 6:56 AM on April 8, 2003
The only reason it deflected any nastiness is because I chose to let the matter drop, rather than following long-standing MetaTalk tradition and airing the beef publicly because no other means was available.
Now that you're celebrating the power of e-mail to defuse conflict, I only wish I could remember what the hell I was so hot and bothered about, so I could bring it back up again. Unfortunately, I'm terrible at holding a grudge.
Getting back on point, I would hate to see Matt implement a local e-mail system here, because I don't want to see anyone else suffer as I did. There's nothing more painful than to fire off a blistering and cathartic e-mail to an antagonist, only to get a curt "never contact me" in response.
posted by rcade at 6:56 AM on April 8, 2003
#mefi is a rabid clicque where they shout you down using obscure in-joke references and everybody talks at once about different stuff
And how exactly is this different than MetaFilter/MetaTalk?
posted by kirkaracha at 7:06 AM on April 8, 2003
quonsar, there's always the choice of having private chats on #mefi.
and there's always the choice to read my comment as though it were serious, but you should know better than to do that, ashbury!
posted by quonsar at 7:13 AM on April 8, 2003
and there's always the choice to read my comment as though it were serious, but you should know better than to do that, ashbury!
posted by quonsar at 7:13 AM on April 8, 2003
Have you tried decafe, quonsar? I hear it's just as good as the regular.
In a world where this site is "just as good" as mefi, perhaps.
posted by walrus at 7:15 AM on April 8, 2003
In a world where this site is "just as good" as mefi, perhaps.
posted by walrus at 7:15 AM on April 8, 2003
you should know better than to do that, ashbury!
I'm either dumb, or I had a shitty night's sleep because you're right, I do know better than that. It was a momentary lapse and it won't happen again. 'Kay, I'm outta here...gotta get me a double shot latte.
posted by ashbury at 7:19 AM on April 8, 2003
I'm either dumb, or I had a shitty night's sleep because you're right, I do know better than that. It was a momentary lapse and it won't happen again. 'Kay, I'm outta here...gotta get me a double shot latte.
posted by ashbury at 7:19 AM on April 8, 2003
Is this another self-indulgent excuse for a Miguel-spewed Meta post/discussion, or does Miguel actually have a benevolent ulterior motive: To move some of the petty bickering off Mefi and into private e-mail? Is this a silly question? Should I be getting some work done before I get fired?
posted by Shane at 7:52 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by Shane at 7:52 AM on April 8, 2003
I've gotten many emails from MeFi people in the past. I've found them all to be 100% worthless.
Back in the old days, when we were all still holding out hope Matt would ban Miguel, I got a couple emails from him which convinced me he was insane. So I ignored them.
I've gotten several emails from people showing support for some of the more idiotic things I've posted. Those always seem to be related to something I would take back if I could.
Sometimes I'll get emails which are little more than, "Boy, SomeUser sure is an idiot huh?"
1) We have email, which few people use. Why build another messaging system?
2) We've talked about this before. Several times. And Miguel knows it.
3) "In my experience, they're absolutely crucial. It's where delicate matters are broached; indelicate oversights pointed out; untenable differences accepted and understood; public misunderstandings explained and sometimes even ironed out." Huh? Where? When? Is this everyone's experience? Or is this only true on Miguel's homeworld?
In short, here we have another thread which only exists because Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?"
posted by y6y6y6 at 8:06 AM on April 8, 2003
Back in the old days, when we were all still holding out hope Matt would ban Miguel, I got a couple emails from him which convinced me he was insane. So I ignored them.
I've gotten several emails from people showing support for some of the more idiotic things I've posted. Those always seem to be related to something I would take back if I could.
Sometimes I'll get emails which are little more than, "Boy, SomeUser sure is an idiot huh?"
1) We have email, which few people use. Why build another messaging system?
2) We've talked about this before. Several times. And Miguel knows it.
3) "In my experience, they're absolutely crucial. It's where delicate matters are broached; indelicate oversights pointed out; untenable differences accepted and understood; public misunderstandings explained and sometimes even ironed out." Huh? Where? When? Is this everyone's experience? Or is this only true on Miguel's homeworld?
In short, here we have another thread which only exists because Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?"
posted by y6y6y6 at 8:06 AM on April 8, 2003
y6^3: and you do realize it is only by actually commenting to Mig's threads that you (or anyone for that matter) allow them to proliferate and adds to that chattiness you soooooooo despise?
posted by jmd82 at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by jmd82 at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2003
In short, here we have another thread which only exists because Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?
Thanks for jogging my memory of what my beef was about.
posted by rcade at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2003
Thanks for jogging my memory of what my beef was about.
posted by rcade at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2003
(Heck, on second thought, take up his own advice and e-mail him if you have a beef with him cause putting it on the gray certainly isn't going to solve anything as should know full well by now)
posted by jmd82 at 8:20 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by jmd82 at 8:20 AM on April 8, 2003
Have you tried decafe, quonsar? I hear it's just as good as the regular.
The Descendents said "Thou Shalt Not Partake of Decaf."
posted by adampsyche at 8:21 AM on April 8, 2003
The Descendents said "Thou Shalt Not Partake of Decaf."
posted by adampsyche at 8:21 AM on April 8, 2003
ugh, taking mefi arguments to email... how unpleasant that must be. i get tonnes of email from mefites but it's all friendly, off topic stuff. please leave the angry here on site! i use email to defuse my tendency towards the on site friendly-chatty that everyone is so allergic to, so what i've sent has all been totally inappropriate for posting (quonsar a valentine, dong_resin some fan mail, grrrarrggh00 an offer of free webhosting) but never angry. and putting a messaging system on mefi would be akin to turning this joint into an angsty teen ubb. uhm, no thanks.
on preview - whoa, and here i was all ready to fire off an email to you y6y6y6 after enjoying a visit to your website. so, uhm, nevermind :-D *hits delete*
posted by t r a c y at 8:32 AM on April 8, 2003
on preview - whoa, and here i was all ready to fire off an email to you y6y6y6 after enjoying a visit to your website. so, uhm, nevermind :-D *hits delete*
posted by t r a c y at 8:32 AM on April 8, 2003
After the MetaFilter/Time Is Tight merger is completed, displaying a valid, monitored e-mail address will be a requirement of continued MetaFilter membership.
posted by timeistight at 9:18 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by timeistight at 9:18 AM on April 8, 2003
If it matters, I think it was rcade who wrote me once to tell me to never contact him again. I could be wrong, I suppose...
It doesn't matter. Given your history here, it's hardly surprising that rcade wouldn't want you to contact him. I reckon that Miguel doesn't want rcade to contact him because it's clear that rcade's never going to drink Miguel's kool-aid. But you did a good job of sucking up to Miguel, and I'm sure he appreciates it.
posted by anapestic at 9:25 AM on April 8, 2003
It doesn't matter. Given your history here, it's hardly surprising that rcade wouldn't want you to contact him. I reckon that Miguel doesn't want rcade to contact him because it's clear that rcade's never going to drink Miguel's kool-aid. But you did a good job of sucking up to Miguel, and I'm sure he appreciates it.
posted by anapestic at 9:25 AM on April 8, 2003
I've gotten many emails from MeFi people in the past. I've found them all to be 100% worthless.
Every e-mail you've ever received from a Metafilter user has been worthless?
Why do you still participate here?
posted by PrinceValium at 10:02 AM on April 8, 2003
Every e-mail you've ever received from a Metafilter user has been worthless?
Why do you still participate here?
posted by PrinceValium at 10:02 AM on April 8, 2003
In short, here we have another thread which only exists because Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?"
Yeah. I'd ask Miguel what he was hoping to get out of these types of posts if I cared to read the answer. Instead, I'll just picture him insanely putting together his thesis on the GUT of MetaFilter, pacing around his dingy apartment muttering to himself about the "quonsar paradox".
posted by MarkAnd at 10:03 AM on April 8, 2003
Yeah. I'd ask Miguel what he was hoping to get out of these types of posts if I cared to read the answer. Instead, I'll just picture him insanely putting together his thesis on the GUT of MetaFilter, pacing around his dingy apartment muttering to himself about the "quonsar paradox".
posted by MarkAnd at 10:03 AM on April 8, 2003
*wonders whether MarkAnd is that weirdo neighbour across the street with the telescope and the headphones*
I can however lift the veil on my research just a little: the Quonsar Paradox is insoluble. I've given up on it. In fact, I've passed it along to Robert Ludlum.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:13 AM on April 8, 2003
I can however lift the veil on my research just a little: the Quonsar Paradox is insoluble. I've given up on it. In fact, I've passed it along to Robert Ludlum.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:13 AM on April 8, 2003
I've gotten many emails from MeFi people in the past. I've found them all to be 100% worthless.
as you find most other mefi members to be. what prince valium said.
my favorite emails are the frequent ones lauding me for pitching manure in the direction the resident compost heaps.
[drops pants, wiggles pale white ass in y6y6y6 general direction]
posted by quonsar at 10:36 AM on April 8, 2003
as you find most other mefi members to be. what prince valium said.
my favorite emails are the frequent ones lauding me for pitching manure in the direction the resident compost heaps.
[drops pants, wiggles pale white ass in y6y6y6 general direction]
posted by quonsar at 10:36 AM on April 8, 2003
"Why do you still participate here?"
I love the links to things I'd never find on my own. I love the opportunity to expose myself to viewpoints which are alien or contradictory to my own. I love the give and take, banter, in-jokes, and contrariness. I love the community. I love to watch the thing grow in an undirected fashion. I love being exposed to new things.
To get all of this from the real world I'd have to spend all my time reading, *and* hang out with people I don't like, *and* sift through a huge amount of junk.
In short, I still participate here because it's one of the best things on the web. Hands down.
What does that have to do with email?
"i was all ready to fire off an email to you y6y6y6 [...] so, uhm, nevermind"
Well, that's just me. I may be insane. I never answer the door, and rarely answer the phone. Email is an intrusion on my life more than it's a convenience. The last thing I need is another way for people to bug me.
"as you find most other mefi members to be"
I think that's stretching things a bit. I would estimate less than 15% of active users here are worthless.
[pats quonsar on the bum, draws on a smiley face in black marker]
posted by y6y6y6 at 10:51 AM on April 8, 2003
I love the links to things I'd never find on my own. I love the opportunity to expose myself to viewpoints which are alien or contradictory to my own. I love the give and take, banter, in-jokes, and contrariness. I love the community. I love to watch the thing grow in an undirected fashion. I love being exposed to new things.
To get all of this from the real world I'd have to spend all my time reading, *and* hang out with people I don't like, *and* sift through a huge amount of junk.
In short, I still participate here because it's one of the best things on the web. Hands down.
What does that have to do with email?
"i was all ready to fire off an email to you y6y6y6 [...] so, uhm, nevermind"
Well, that's just me. I may be insane. I never answer the door, and rarely answer the phone. Email is an intrusion on my life more than it's a convenience. The last thing I need is another way for people to bug me.
"as you find most other mefi members to be"
I think that's stretching things a bit. I would estimate less than 15% of active users here are worthless.
[pats quonsar on the bum, draws on a smiley face in black marker]
posted by y6y6y6 at 10:51 AM on April 8, 2003
*admires smiley face, runs into street to show it off*
posted by quonsar at 11:01 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by quonsar at 11:01 AM on April 8, 2003
*Forgive me, O Lord, for not being able to help myself picturing y6 in full nun's outfit, skirts hoisted way up to reveal his hairy legs, prancing about on a vast blue and grey landscape, followed by his little Von Trapp Mefites and singing at the top of his lungs:
"Links to those things I'd never find on my own;
Opportunities to expose myself to alien viewpoints;
The give and take and the banter and in-jokes;
Watching things grow in unexpected directions...
These are a few of my favourite things." ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:06 AM on April 8, 2003
"Links to those things I'd never find on my own;
Opportunities to expose myself to alien viewpoints;
The give and take and the banter and in-jokes;
Watching things grow in unexpected directions...
These are a few of my favourite things." ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:06 AM on April 8, 2003
my favorite emails are the frequent ones lauding me
"The lurkers support me in email." Heh.
... Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?"
Yes, Miguel is wired wrong, and he doesn't care about the site or the other users; he's content to piss all over it and ignore the complaints. Matt won't ban him (or at least, hasn't to date), so we're stuck with him. Likewise quonsar and the rest of the 100% noise brigade. I've given up on them, and find that it only takes a moment's contemplation of Miguel's smarmy glee over having infuriated everyone again to remind me simply to ignore them. I post this to suggest that other anti-Miguelistas try the same thing: ignore every post or comment he makes. If he gets no attention, the alien tapeworm in his brain will die and take him with it.
posted by sennoma at 11:08 AM on April 8, 2003
"The lurkers support me in email." Heh.
... Miguel needs to chat. "I haven't posted a MetaTalk thread in days!!! What can I post about? What *can* I post?"
Yes, Miguel is wired wrong, and he doesn't care about the site or the other users; he's content to piss all over it and ignore the complaints. Matt won't ban him (or at least, hasn't to date), so we're stuck with him. Likewise quonsar and the rest of the 100% noise brigade. I've given up on them, and find that it only takes a moment's contemplation of Miguel's smarmy glee over having infuriated everyone again to remind me simply to ignore them. I post this to suggest that other anti-Miguelistas try the same thing: ignore every post or comment he makes. If he gets no attention, the alien tapeworm in his brain will die and take him with it.
posted by sennoma at 11:08 AM on April 8, 2003
MiguelCardoso:
posted by timeistight at 11:15 AM on April 8, 2003
- is witty
- is almost always polite
- contributes great links
- never gets into political pissing matches
- is sometimes a bit too chatty
posted by timeistight at 11:15 AM on April 8, 2003
Be the first, sennoma. Please be the first. That's not too much to ask - now is it, old fruit?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:16 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by MiguelCardoso at 11:16 AM on April 8, 2003
"If he gets no attention, the alien tapeworm in his brain will die and take him with it."
Actually his alien brain dealie is also one of the things I like. The HistoryChannelFilter stuff I can live without, but the "What cardinal direction do most MeFi users face while posting?" threads are fun (in an infuriating way).
And Miguel - While I don't own a nun's outfit, I do look good in a dress. And of course I have a beautiful singing voice.
posted by y6y6y6 at 11:30 AM on April 8, 2003
Actually his alien brain dealie is also one of the things I like. The HistoryChannelFilter stuff I can live without, but the "What cardinal direction do most MeFi users face while posting?" threads are fun (in an infuriating way).
And Miguel - While I don't own a nun's outfit, I do look good in a dress. And of course I have a beautiful singing voice.
posted by y6y6y6 at 11:30 AM on April 8, 2003
Birkenstocks with socks! Do you by any chance live in BC y6y6y6?
posted by timeistight at 11:37 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by timeistight at 11:37 AM on April 8, 2003
But...but...I swore I'd hunt him down and shoot him like the dog he is...!
posted by dash_slot- at 11:37 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by dash_slot- at 11:37 AM on April 8, 2003
sennoma, old fruitloop, it's much more fun being in the noise brigade than the piss,moan, and whine brigade. waaaaaay more. always has been.
*toots party horn*
posted by quonsar at 11:49 AM on April 8, 2003
*toots party horn*
posted by quonsar at 11:49 AM on April 8, 2003
Fucking in rhythm and sorrow.
posted by four panels at 11:55 AM on April 8, 2003
posted by four panels at 11:55 AM on April 8, 2003
I've gotten probably about three or four emails from Mefi users based on comments I've made on the site, but it's been a while since I was very active. That's not counting all the miguel-haters-L messages of course, but I have that on digest mode anyway (timeistight is really post-happy over there).
sennoma, old fruitloop, it's much more fun being in the noise brigade than the piss,moan, and whine brigade.
Ignorance is bliss?
posted by daveadams at 11:58 AM on April 8, 2003
sennoma, old fruitloop, it's much more fun being in the noise brigade than the piss,moan, and whine brigade.
Ignorance is bliss?
posted by daveadams at 11:58 AM on April 8, 2003
it's much more fun being in the noise brigade than the piss,moan, and whine brigade.
Rome fucking burns.
posted by j.edwards at 11:59 AM on April 8, 2003
Rome fucking burns.
posted by j.edwards at 11:59 AM on April 8, 2003
always has been.
*toots party horn*
I think the problem is that we are presented with a reality that causes to pick sides. It used to be this place was like a library, with information and intelligence. Now it is still like a library, just an Iraqi library. Metafilter belongs to the loudest and the bores, people who gangbang the place and think it is funny. I do not feel like a whiner, I am just a guy who can read and remember.
posted by thirteen at 12:00 PM on April 8, 2003
*toots party horn*
I think the problem is that we are presented with a reality that causes to pick sides. It used to be this place was like a library, with information and intelligence. Now it is still like a library, just an Iraqi library. Metafilter belongs to the loudest and the bores, people who gangbang the place and think it is funny. I do not feel like a whiner, I am just a guy who can read and remember.
posted by thirteen at 12:00 PM on April 8, 2003
That's not counting all the miguel-haters-L messages of course, but I have that on digest mode anyway (timeistight is really post-happy over there).
I don't understand what this means.
posted by timeistight at 12:16 PM on April 8, 2003
I don't understand what this means.
posted by timeistight at 12:16 PM on April 8, 2003
*sitting back, enjoying self* there are few things as amusing to me as a meta melee. but geez quonsar, maybe some bronzing lotion is in order, eh...?
The last thing I need is another way for people to bug me.
*hits send*
posted by t r a c y at 12:24 PM on April 8, 2003
The last thing I need is another way for people to bug me.
*hits send*
posted by t r a c y at 12:24 PM on April 8, 2003
Back in the old days, when we were all still holding out hope Matt would ban Miguel, I got a couple emails from him which convinced me he was insane.
Wow! What did Matt say that convinced you he was insane?
posted by webmutant at 12:31 PM on April 8, 2003
Wow! What did Matt say that convinced you he was insane?
posted by webmutant at 12:31 PM on April 8, 2003
I believe Miguel is the product of a very unhappy home. His incessant, self-indulgent postings here on metatalk, his blind defense and devotion to Matt, and his love of cigars, are all really just a cry for the long-lost attention that his father never gave him. He longs for validation and appreciation from a male authority figure, and has never received it.
Hence, the alcoholism.
Short of years of ongoing psychotherapy, along with, perhaps, many open and jubilant affirmations from Matt, I suspect the only thing that detractors of Miguel can do to avoid exposing themselves to this sort of behavior is to simply ignore him. It won't make Miguel feel any better, but it will certainly make the rest of us.
posted by crunchland at 12:31 PM on April 8, 2003
Hence, the alcoholism.
Short of years of ongoing psychotherapy, along with, perhaps, many open and jubilant affirmations from Matt, I suspect the only thing that detractors of Miguel can do to avoid exposing themselves to this sort of behavior is to simply ignore him. It won't make Miguel feel any better, but it will certainly make the rest of us.
posted by crunchland at 12:31 PM on April 8, 2003
MetaFilter three years ago today.
Nine posts; three outright jokes, one link to amazon.com and one to nandotimes, one about a TV show and one about a movie, leaving only two technical or net-related posts.
Thirty-seven comments; nine of which I would characterize as outright jokes and another six of which fall short of that category but which seem to be more along the lines of "chat", another seven comments that really aren't very informative either way, leaving only fifteen comments that are directly germane to the topic of the thread in which they appear.
When Rome is finished burning, it's going to be pretty well-done.
posted by yhbc at 12:35 PM on April 8, 2003
Nine posts; three outright jokes, one link to amazon.com and one to nandotimes, one about a TV show and one about a movie, leaving only two technical or net-related posts.
Thirty-seven comments; nine of which I would characterize as outright jokes and another six of which fall short of that category but which seem to be more along the lines of "chat", another seven comments that really aren't very informative either way, leaving only fifteen comments that are directly germane to the topic of the thread in which they appear.
When Rome is finished burning, it's going to be pretty well-done.
posted by yhbc at 12:35 PM on April 8, 2003
Wow! What did Matt say that convinced you he was insane?
"I won't ban Miguel"
/me flees from rotten vegetables being tossed at him.
posted by cCranium at 12:38 PM on April 8, 2003
"I won't ban Miguel"
/me flees from rotten vegetables being tossed at him.
posted by cCranium at 12:38 PM on April 8, 2003
* cries *
posted by baby_jessamyn at 12:44 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by baby_jessamyn at 12:44 PM on April 8, 2003
Folks, if you're not interested in the topic MiguelCardoso introduced, don't comment. Is there any simpler possible way to help you understand that simple courtesy?
As for Miguel himself, he is insightful, brilliant, friendly, funny, speaks his mind without fear of any consequences, and posts great stuff. I probably don't agree with any of his political viewpoints, but MetaFilter without Miguel would be like Bush without Karl Rove: a gray banality sans bop. Or something like that...my MetaphorFilter is down....
As for email, I frankly don't need any more than I already wade through, so perhaps Miguel's idea has merit.
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 12:52 PM on April 8, 2003
As for Miguel himself, he is insightful, brilliant, friendly, funny, speaks his mind without fear of any consequences, and posts great stuff. I probably don't agree with any of his political viewpoints, but MetaFilter without Miguel would be like Bush without Karl Rove: a gray banality sans bop. Or something like that...my MetaphorFilter is down....
As for email, I frankly don't need any more than I already wade through, so perhaps Miguel's idea has merit.
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 12:52 PM on April 8, 2003
I am quite amused y2karl, as how you advise dash_slot- that you "don't think it's right to go on about [me] in any context other than email now" yet take this opportunity to insult me. How grown up of you. As old as you maybe, you seems to have a much harder time letting go of things, and saying you are wrong.
I have no problem saying I am wrong, when I am.
y2karl, I suggest you take your own advise and email me about your beefs, instead of making "noise in the threads" I can only guess that you are trying desperately to draw attention to yourself.
"Now stop it and stop annoying everyone else by bringing it up inappropriately. You're just making an ass of yourself."
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 12:58 PM on April 8, 2003
I have no problem saying I am wrong, when I am.
y2karl, I suggest you take your own advise and email me about your beefs, instead of making "noise in the threads" I can only guess that you are trying desperately to draw attention to yourself.
"Now stop it and stop annoying everyone else by bringing it up inappropriately. You're just making an ass of yourself."
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 12:58 PM on April 8, 2003
*already ducking and rushing to catch up with the fleeing cCranium
You know, all you thread-wetters should really have...
*midi clip from "Edelweiss"*
... taken it to e-mail!
P.S. Thanks to all those who took the trouble to discuss the topic in question. And - oh alright then! - the others too, for livening it up. Specially y6's candid photograph and crunchland's on-the-button psychoanalytic report. I guess there's nothing wrong with disliking someone. It just seems a bit unfair it's always bleedin' me, dammit!
So can we please stop it now? Please? Like self-fulfilling prophecies, these threads have a way of turning into what their detractors accuse them of being in the first place.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:23 PM on April 8, 2003
You know, all you thread-wetters should really have...
*midi clip from "Edelweiss"*
... taken it to e-mail!
P.S. Thanks to all those who took the trouble to discuss the topic in question. And - oh alright then! - the others too, for livening it up. Specially y6's candid photograph and crunchland's on-the-button psychoanalytic report. I guess there's nothing wrong with disliking someone. It just seems a bit unfair it's always bleedin' me, dammit!
So can we please stop it now? Please? Like self-fulfilling prophecies, these threads have a way of turning into what their detractors accuse them of being in the first place.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:23 PM on April 8, 2003
Um, I...uh...I'm having a really hard time saying this, but...
I'm with Foldy on this one.
~grin~
posted by Cyrano at 1:34 PM on April 8, 2003
I'm with Foldy on this one.
~grin~
posted by Cyrano at 1:34 PM on April 8, 2003
I have no problem saying I am wrong, when I am.
Clearly not. I have explained myself quite clearly. You, as the tagline says, are wrong.
posted by dash_slot- at 1:37 PM on April 8, 2003
Clearly not. I have explained myself quite clearly. You, as the tagline says, are wrong.
posted by dash_slot- at 1:37 PM on April 8, 2003
timeistight, don't try to play like you don't know what I'm talking about. You were one of the freaking founders of miguel-haters-L. You defined the tone of the list more than anyone, and your four-point summation of Miguel's writings was genius. It really helped me grasp the ties between his literary work and his political commentary and how that in turn feeds his behavior on MetaTalk.
[fold_and_mutilate] Folks, if you're not interested in the topic MiguelCardoso introduced, don't comment. Is there any simpler possible way to help you understand that simple courtesy?
I'm not sure I get it. If I don't like something, I'm supposed to be quiet about it and not post anything. So, let's see. I guess the basic root of my confusion is your very post about not liking the action of commenting on things you don't like. Is there some kind of low-level irony I'm not grasping here?
[yhbc] Nine posts; three outright jokes, one link to amazon.com and one to nandotimes, one about a TV show and one about a movie, leaving only two technical or net-related posts.
I appreciate the in-depth analysis. Now, what exactly does this have to do with Miguel's hijacking MetaTalk again?
[MiguelCardoso] Thanks to all those who took the trouble to discuss the topic in question.
You're welcome.
So can we please stop it now? Please?
Oh, c'mon. It's too late for that.
posted by daveadams at 1:38 PM on April 8, 2003
[fold_and_mutilate] Folks, if you're not interested in the topic MiguelCardoso introduced, don't comment. Is there any simpler possible way to help you understand that simple courtesy?
I'm not sure I get it. If I don't like something, I'm supposed to be quiet about it and not post anything. So, let's see. I guess the basic root of my confusion is your very post about not liking the action of commenting on things you don't like. Is there some kind of low-level irony I'm not grasping here?
[yhbc] Nine posts; three outright jokes, one link to amazon.com and one to nandotimes, one about a TV show and one about a movie, leaving only two technical or net-related posts.
I appreciate the in-depth analysis. Now, what exactly does this have to do with Miguel's hijacking MetaTalk again?
[MiguelCardoso] Thanks to all those who took the trouble to discuss the topic in question.
You're welcome.
So can we please stop it now? Please?
Oh, c'mon. It's too late for that.
posted by daveadams at 1:38 PM on April 8, 2003
y2karl, I suggest you take your own advise and email me about your beefs, instead of making "noise in the threads" I can only guess that you are trying desperately to draw attention to yourself.
Cut karl some slack, Steve, it is hard to wrest the collective attention away from Miguel.
posted by daveadams at 1:42 PM on April 8, 2003
Cut karl some slack, Steve, it is hard to wrest the collective attention away from Miguel.
posted by daveadams at 1:42 PM on April 8, 2003
timeistight, don't try to play like you don't know what I'm talking about. You were one of the freaking founders of miguel-haters-L.
Fan club, you mean.
posted by timeistight at 1:50 PM on April 8, 2003
Fan club, you mean.
posted by timeistight at 1:50 PM on April 8, 2003
Miguel, how did you get fold_and_mutilate's password?
posted by languagehat at 1:52 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by languagehat at 1:52 PM on April 8, 2003
tofu
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:54 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:54 PM on April 8, 2003
Do you remember a couple of years ago when there'd be a thread every couple of days about how MetaFilter was turning to shit? And people would wring their hands and go on and on about how to fix it? And then people would say, "Oh, no, you wrong -- it's always been like this"? And then the argument would switch to one about whether it's actually worse than it was?
Notice how that doesn't happen anymore? The buffoons have won, and knowing who they are doesn't make it any easier to swallow.
posted by MarkAnd at 2:06 PM on April 8, 2003
Notice how that doesn't happen anymore? The buffoons have won, and knowing who they are doesn't make it any easier to swallow.
posted by MarkAnd at 2:06 PM on April 8, 2003
Wow, you people really hold a grudge.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to my performance-obsessed, self-centered, quiz-responding life, and hatch a plan to remove Miguel without the cabal noticing. He should have never insinuated I was an American!
Grudges are healthy!
posted by The God Complex at 2:21 PM on April 8, 2003
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to my performance-obsessed, self-centered, quiz-responding life, and hatch a plan to remove Miguel without the cabal noticing. He should have never insinuated I was an American!
Grudges are healthy!
posted by The God Complex at 2:21 PM on April 8, 2003
Anyone else having a lot of fun trying to keep track of who has grudges against whom? It's like a soap opera whose plot is constructed entirely out of spite.
posted by furiousthought at 2:35 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by furiousthought at 2:35 PM on April 8, 2003
Gotta admit, lately I've been avoiding MetaFilter because it felt much more like Bitch'n'moanFilter. But I love the damn soap opera. It'll keep me coming back day after day. Speaking only for myself, few online things are better than MiguelFilter and the Steve'n'Foldy show.
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:40 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:40 PM on April 8, 2003
Steve, you looked up an anonymous user's name, found his picture on the internet and posted it on MetaFilter--and asked Matt to take it down only after that user waved the word lawyer at you--then you addressed him by his real name, when he brought it up in another thread to point out your hypocrisy, while defending the indefensible.
If people choose to be anonymous, you respect their choice--that is a rule that is so fundamental it is tacit, it doesn't need to be mentioned or written down.
What you did by posting his picture is chickenshit. Mocking him by addressing him by his real name was chickenshit times ten. You do not violate people's privacy: you respect their choice.
Look, I know the name of a certain party and the URL of his blog. While I have teased him about it here once, and taken a couple of digs that only he would get, it's up to him alone whether he shares it. No matter how little love--get out the electron microscope, boys!--is lost between us, I would never think of posting it here. It's his business, his choice.
You are beneath contempt.
I have no problem saying I am wrong, when I am.
That is such a fucking lie.
posted by y2karl at 2:53 PM on April 8, 2003
If people choose to be anonymous, you respect their choice--that is a rule that is so fundamental it is tacit, it doesn't need to be mentioned or written down.
What you did by posting his picture is chickenshit. Mocking him by addressing him by his real name was chickenshit times ten. You do not violate people's privacy: you respect their choice.
Look, I know the name of a certain party and the URL of his blog. While I have teased him about it here once, and taken a couple of digs that only he would get, it's up to him alone whether he shares it. No matter how little love--get out the electron microscope, boys!--is lost between us, I would never think of posting it here. It's his business, his choice.
You are beneath contempt.
I have no problem saying I am wrong, when I am.
That is such a fucking lie.
posted by y2karl at 2:53 PM on April 8, 2003
Hey, Guys, I'm on a dial-up. Please tell me which thread this drama is going to unfold in.
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:56 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:56 PM on April 8, 2003
Metametafilter: You, as the tagline says, are wrong.
Oh yeah, and I hate cCranium.
posted by eddydamascene at 3:03 PM on April 8, 2003
Oh yeah, and I hate cCranium.
posted by eddydamascene at 3:03 PM on April 8, 2003
I think this went really well.
lucien, I laughed for a good two minutes reading that. This is part of why I love the discussions on mefi/talk. You never know how it's going to end up- and even if it goes south, it's still amusing as hell to read. If all of this went to IM or e-mail, I'd miss it.
posted by FunkyHelix at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
lucien, I laughed for a good two minutes reading that. This is part of why I love the discussions on mefi/talk. You never know how it's going to end up- and even if it goes south, it's still amusing as hell to read. If all of this went to IM or e-mail, I'd miss it.
posted by FunkyHelix at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
People write email to each other about Metafilter posts?
posted by Mars Saxman at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Mars Saxman at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
*good twin enters, stabs evil eddydamascene*
posted by eddydamascene at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by eddydamascene at 3:05 PM on April 8, 2003
crunch,
to give people their inventory you have to have done your own first.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:11 PM on April 8, 2003
to give people their inventory you have to have done your own first.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:11 PM on April 8, 2003
otherwise, you just end up posting yours.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:12 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:12 PM on April 8, 2003
Miguel, you emailed me! Does this mean we're married now?
posted by Pretty_Generic at 3:14 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Pretty_Generic at 3:14 PM on April 8, 2003
Grudges:
I got mad at a couple of people last year when they said I shouldn't be here, but I'm over that now.
I used to be ticked off at fold_and_mutilate until I found out he likes dogs.
That's it! Anyone have a grudge against me that I don't know about?
posted by timeistight at 3:15 PM on April 8, 2003
I got mad at a couple of people last year when they said I shouldn't be here, but I'm over that now.
I used to be ticked off at fold_and_mutilate until I found out he likes dogs.
That's it! Anyone have a grudge against me that I don't know about?
posted by timeistight at 3:15 PM on April 8, 2003
y2karl,
I think you are confused to what thread you are posting.
Can't take your own medicine, eh?
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 3:15 PM on April 8, 2003
I think you are confused to what thread you are posting.
Can't take your own medicine, eh?
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 3:15 PM on April 8, 2003
"In fact, I've passed it along to Robert Ludlum". Miguel, I knew you were powerful but dude, Ludlum died two years ago! Next time you cross over could you please find out what my Grandfather did with those gold coins he promised me? Thanking you in advance.
posted by Mack Twain at 3:17 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Mack Twain at 3:17 PM on April 8, 2003
It does matter which thread we're in Steve_at_Linnwood, what you did was wrong.
posted by timeistight at 3:25 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by timeistight at 3:25 PM on April 8, 2003
I love the give and take, banter, in-jokes, and contrariness...I love being exposed to new things.
In other words, you love much of what Migs brings to Metafilter?
posted by adampsyche at 3:26 PM on April 8, 2003
In other words, you love much of what Migs brings to Metafilter?
posted by adampsyche at 3:26 PM on April 8, 2003
I got mad at a couple of people last year when they said I shouldn't be here, but I'm over that now.
Nonono, see, past grudges are very important, because they can resurface at any moment, like cCranium. A dedicated reader has to be prepared for these things, because, uh... ah, screw it, surprise me.
posted by furiousthought at 3:30 PM on April 8, 2003
Nonono, see, past grudges are very important, because they can resurface at any moment, like cCranium. A dedicated reader has to be prepared for these things, because, uh... ah, screw it, surprise me.
posted by furiousthought at 3:30 PM on April 8, 2003
It does matter which thread we're in Steve_at_Linnwood, what you did was wrong.
True, true. Which is why I posted it here and there. Notice how Steve avoids facing what he did. When he got called out for it elsewhere, he defended his shitty little schtick by violating someone's privacy farther--hey, guys, here's some clues!. What a creep.
posted by y2karl at 3:34 PM on April 8, 2003
True, true. Which is why I posted it here and there. Notice how Steve avoids facing what he did. When he got called out for it elsewhere, he defended his shitty little schtick by violating someone's privacy farther--hey, guys, here's some clues!. What a creep.
posted by y2karl at 3:34 PM on April 8, 2003
When you're right, you're right y2karl. You're still a tool.
posted by yerfatma at 3:43 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by yerfatma at 3:43 PM on April 8, 2003
y2karl, it is my hope that anyone following the Steve'n'Foldy show would have a modicum of class. We would not follow up on Steve's little hints, except through self-motivated prurient interest. I believe MeFi to be kinda' fickle in its villains. In this saga to date, that wouldn't be f'n'm.
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:45 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:45 PM on April 8, 2003
'Course not. He can't be a villain; he likes dogs.
posted by timeistight at 3:51 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by timeistight at 3:51 PM on April 8, 2003
i mean, just to throw in a refreshing little derail, you know...
posted by quonsar at 3:53 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by quonsar at 3:53 PM on April 8, 2003
"In other words, you love much of what Migs brings to Metafilter?"
Yes. And no.
I liked the place better before he showed up. I'm not real happy about that. Don't expect me to get over it. It's my pet childish peeve, and I'm keeping it.
But if we're going to have the NewsFilter, History Channel, chat board that the place has turned into, I guess he does that better than most. Especially in the comments. His comments are much better than most. I find him interesting, thoughtful and on-topic.
The main problem is that his world and mine are bitter enemies. I will *always* make fun of people who buy Reidel glasses. Ditto for people who post over and over about books. Ditto for people who correct the grammar of others in an on-line forum. Etc. etc..
"Migs" just has a style, through no fault of his own, that I happen to despise. I have no doubt that's my problem more than it's his. He has my grudging respect.
So while, yes, I love much of what he brings to MetaFilter, I also find myself ideologically at odds with most of it.
posted by y6y6y6 at 3:57 PM on April 8, 2003
Yes. And no.
I liked the place better before he showed up. I'm not real happy about that. Don't expect me to get over it. It's my pet childish peeve, and I'm keeping it.
But if we're going to have the NewsFilter, History Channel, chat board that the place has turned into, I guess he does that better than most. Especially in the comments. His comments are much better than most. I find him interesting, thoughtful and on-topic.
The main problem is that his world and mine are bitter enemies. I will *always* make fun of people who buy Reidel glasses. Ditto for people who post over and over about books. Ditto for people who correct the grammar of others in an on-line forum. Etc. etc..
"Migs" just has a style, through no fault of his own, that I happen to despise. I have no doubt that's my problem more than it's his. He has my grudging respect.
So while, yes, I love much of what he brings to MetaFilter, I also find myself ideologically at odds with most of it.
posted by y6y6y6 at 3:57 PM on April 8, 2003
No enemies list here, but I do have an ambiguous admiration/wariness/nauseated feeling towards y6y6y6 and his relationship to the Metafilter community. This 100%-of-Metafilter-email-is-worthless thing rubbed me the wrong way and I can't reconcile that to his prolific and positive contributions to the site. Probably not soap opera material, but it could be a decent subplot on Boston Public.
And I'll add to the chorus of those defending Miguel. Remove him from our gene pool, and your Iraq quotient goes up by ten percent. What DO you guys want to be, anyway? Participants in a vibrant community weblog, or kings for a day?
posted by PrinceValium at 4:01 PM on April 8, 2003
And I'll add to the chorus of those defending Miguel. Remove him from our gene pool, and your Iraq quotient goes up by ten percent. What DO you guys want to be, anyway? Participants in a vibrant community weblog, or kings for a day?
posted by PrinceValium at 4:01 PM on April 8, 2003
some days Miguel posts first,other days Carlos posts first.
posted by JohnR at 4:03 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by JohnR at 4:03 PM on April 8, 2003
*Pets the pet peeve.*
Ya know, that thing's foaming at the mouth. Has he gotten his shots yet?
[I kid, I kid]
posted by adampsyche at 4:14 PM on April 8, 2003
Ya know, that thing's foaming at the mouth. Has he gotten his shots yet?
[I kid, I kid]
posted by adampsyche at 4:14 PM on April 8, 2003
I love how the next thread is about a new era of reasonable and reasoned discussion. Just to avoid my recent habit of verbosity I'll do a bullet presentation.
•I like Miguel. I don't understand what the problem people have with him. He does get a bit over-present, but he's funny and has a good online personality.
•I like quonsar too, for all the opposite reasons.
•I used to think steve was a tool, but he's seemed calmer lately, maybe he's okay. Then again, I've no idea what happened between y2 and him.
•I like cats.
•I've only received one email from a member. I slighted somebody in a thread and they wanted to point out the issue. I apologized and changed my email address. I set up a separate email to handle any mefi traffic, but no one really notices me around here anyway.
•That is not an invitation to send me an email.
posted by elwoodwiles at 4:24 PM on April 8, 2003
•I like Miguel. I don't understand what the problem people have with him. He does get a bit over-present, but he's funny and has a good online personality.
•I like quonsar too, for all the opposite reasons.
•I used to think steve was a tool, but he's seemed calmer lately, maybe he's okay. Then again, I've no idea what happened between y2 and him.
•I like cats.
•I've only received one email from a member. I slighted somebody in a thread and they wanted to point out the issue. I apologized and changed my email address. I set up a separate email to handle any mefi traffic, but no one really notices me around here anyway.
•That is not an invitation to send me an email.
posted by elwoodwiles at 4:24 PM on April 8, 2003
"but I do have an ambiguous admiration/wariness/nauseated feeling towards y6y6y6"
Perfect. You have no idea how hard it is to cultivate that.
posted by y6y6y6 at 4:34 PM on April 8, 2003
Perfect. You have no idea how hard it is to cultivate that.
posted by y6y6y6 at 4:34 PM on April 8, 2003
you should try cultivating a quonsar construct sometime.
posted by quonsar at 4:40 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by quonsar at 4:40 PM on April 8, 2003
er, THE quonsar construct, i meant to say. tain't easy.
posted by quonsar at 4:41 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by quonsar at 4:41 PM on April 8, 2003
Stay tuned for Scott Bakula starring in "Quonsar Leap".
posted by wendell at 4:47 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by wendell at 4:47 PM on April 8, 2003
What Scott Baio, what cartload of rottem melons!
Quonsar beats Skot any day, any time. As this interactive document proves.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 6:24 PM on April 8, 2003
Quonsar beats Skot any day, any time. As this interactive document proves.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 6:24 PM on April 8, 2003
Well, that's just me. I may be insane. I never answer the door, and rarely answer the phone. Email is an intrusion on my life more than it's a convenience. The last thing I need is another way for people to bug me.
Brother!
That said, this thread was deeply unpleasant, and I hate you all now.
No, not really.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:56 PM on April 8, 2003
Brother!
That said, this thread was deeply unpleasant, and I hate you all now.
No, not really.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:56 PM on April 8, 2003
I used to visualize Migs as a cross between Ricardo Mantalban (or as a Jewish friend once called him and I haven't gotten it out of my mind since: Ricardo Mendelbaum) sometime during his Khan/Corinthean Leather phase, and Billy Crystal's Fernando character ("You say you want to cut out my entrails and hang them from a flagpole over Greeley, Colorado, and all I can say to you is You Look Mah-velous!")
Now, he is starting to morph into more of a Nash-Bridges-era Cheech Marin, and I deeply regret having to use Spanish/Mexican cultural icons, but dangit, us Americans don't have any goofy Portugese pop culture types!
(And a million years ago, I briefly worked for a radio station in the Fresno, California, area where they rented out the station every Sunday for Portugese language programmng, because, even though most of the farmworkers spoke Spanish, many of the farm owners were Potugese, and, dang it, they wanted equal time, and yet, Miguel bears no resemblence to anybody in that phase of my life).
Oh, and I can't look at the name stavrosthewonderchicken without thinking of those immortal words: "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it."
Consistant with my historical tendency to kill MeFi threads by contributing to them, I hope this one is now put out of its misery.
posted by wendell at 7:49 PM on April 8, 2003
Now, he is starting to morph into more of a Nash-Bridges-era Cheech Marin, and I deeply regret having to use Spanish/Mexican cultural icons, but dangit, us Americans don't have any goofy Portugese pop culture types!
(And a million years ago, I briefly worked for a radio station in the Fresno, California, area where they rented out the station every Sunday for Portugese language programmng, because, even though most of the farmworkers spoke Spanish, many of the farm owners were Potugese, and, dang it, they wanted equal time, and yet, Miguel bears no resemblence to anybody in that phase of my life).
Oh, and I can't look at the name stavrosthewonderchicken without thinking of those immortal words: "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it."
Consistant with my historical tendency to kill MeFi threads by contributing to them, I hope this one is now put out of its misery.
posted by wendell at 7:49 PM on April 8, 2003
when are you going to stop spamming me, y2karl?
This isn't about the mp3's, is it? I thought I kicked you off the property on that. Are you still getting them? You should answer the other kind, you know. I'll never run out of printer ink, I've made a killing in real estate and my penis is so much larger now...
posted by y2karl at 8:23 PM on April 8, 2003
This isn't about the mp3's, is it? I thought I kicked you off the property on that. Are you still getting them? You should answer the other kind, you know. I'll never run out of printer ink, I've made a killing in real estate and my penis is so much larger now...
posted by y2karl at 8:23 PM on April 8, 2003
y2karl, that's it. I now have to demand your immediate banishment from MeFi. Linking to goatse.cx? How could you ...?
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:41 PM on April 8, 2003
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:41 PM on April 8, 2003
Ricardo Mendelbaum
Tehee, wendell! I don't really look Portuguese at all - I'm tall, fair-skinned, have blue eyes and can be reached at 00-351-2178765408 after 18h00m GMT. However, I do have standards. I only offer cigars to those who can complete this little quiz successfully. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:18 PM on April 8, 2003
Tehee, wendell! I don't really look Portuguese at all - I'm tall, fair-skinned, have blue eyes and can be reached at 00-351-2178765408 after 18h00m GMT. However, I do have standards. I only offer cigars to those who can complete this little quiz successfully. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:18 PM on April 8, 2003
I'm not sure I get it. If I don't like something, I'm supposed to be quiet about it and not post anything
Nah, buddy. What I said was, if you're not interested in what Miguel says, don't comment in his posts. I assume if you don't like something about what he posts, then you're interested. If that makes any sense....
Capiche?
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 10:03 PM on April 8, 2003
Nah, buddy. What I said was, if you're not interested in what Miguel says, don't comment in his posts. I assume if you don't like something about what he posts, then you're interested. If that makes any sense....
Capiche?
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 10:03 PM on April 8, 2003
I only offer cigars to those who can complete this little quiz successfully. ;)
Does the below response mean I get no cigar?
A sua pontuação é: 0%.
Incorrecto. Tente outra vez.
posted by dg at 10:33 PM on April 8, 2003
Does the below response mean I get no cigar?
A sua pontuação é: 0%.
Incorrecto. Tente outra vez.
posted by dg at 10:33 PM on April 8, 2003
but MetaFilter without Miguel would be like Bush without Karl Rove: a gray banality sans bop.
Yep, I lurked for a long time, and let me tell you, all the way up to member number 10,000, this place was hell.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 12:57 AM on April 9, 2003
Yep, I lurked for a long time, and let me tell you, all the way up to member number 10,000, this place was hell.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 12:57 AM on April 9, 2003
Time to ring the Migs phone !
(this better not be a portugese porn line)
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:20 AM on April 9, 2003
(this better not be a portugese porn line)
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:20 AM on April 9, 2003
Americans don't have any goofy Portugese pop culture types!
um, forest, trees?
miguel is it.
posted by quonsar at 6:25 AM on April 9, 2003
um, forest, trees?
miguel is it.
posted by quonsar at 6:25 AM on April 9, 2003
It's like a soap opera whose plot is constructed entirely out of spite.
This may be the best line I've read this month. It's positively Lou Reedian.
It's, like, 00h33 here in Tokyo, my fiancee is early abed with "flu-like symptoms," I feel overfull on pad thai and stir-fried bamboo, and my iTunes is playing me Akufen instead of something better suited to the hour.
I'm unreasonably happy. At this moment, I love you all for all the joy you bring me. This, mind you, is without lysergic or other intervention, and is as sincere as you'll ever get from me.
Blame the pad thai.
posted by adamgreenfield at 8:35 AM on April 9, 2003
This may be the best line I've read this month. It's positively Lou Reedian.
It's, like, 00h33 here in Tokyo, my fiancee is early abed with "flu-like symptoms," I feel overfull on pad thai and stir-fried bamboo, and my iTunes is playing me Akufen instead of something better suited to the hour.
I'm unreasonably happy. At this moment, I love you all for all the joy you bring me. This, mind you, is without lysergic or other intervention, and is as sincere as you'll ever get from me.
Blame the pad thai.
posted by adamgreenfield at 8:35 AM on April 9, 2003
Sorry Adam, but the context of "flu-like symptoms" pushed me past any point of fair acknowledgement of your pad thai sincerity.
Personally, my lone feature request is for a jungian-meme-esque filter attachment that connects directly to my frontal lobe, that lets me experience the various undercurrents of all things metafilter in an emotional pre-cog type of way. We could call it a 'mememeta-dula'.
This way we could do away with this pesky posting and/or email business, and in fact, all things communicated in a written or verbal format.
No, wait. That's kind of creepy.
[Blame the toasted eggo waffles]
posted by jazzkat11 at 10:23 AM on April 9, 2003
Personally, my lone feature request is for a jungian-meme-esque filter attachment that connects directly to my frontal lobe, that lets me experience the various undercurrents of all things metafilter in an emotional pre-cog type of way. We could call it a 'mememeta-dula'.
This way we could do away with this pesky posting and/or email business, and in fact, all things communicated in a written or verbal format.
No, wait. That's kind of creepy.
[Blame the toasted eggo waffles]
posted by jazzkat11 at 10:23 AM on April 9, 2003
well, there is only one thing left to say.
roeb zinnikk.
posted by quonsar at 12:46 PM on April 9, 2003
roeb zinnikk.
posted by quonsar at 12:46 PM on April 9, 2003
I'd like to sing a little song I wrote to the tune of Wayne Newton's Danke Schoen:
Schadenfreude, my darling, schadenfreude...
posted by y2karl at 1:03 PM on April 9, 2003
Schadenfreude, my darling, schadenfreude...
posted by y2karl at 1:03 PM on April 9, 2003
I really enjoyed reading this thread.
Keep up the good work, gang, and for the love of god, don't ever take this kind of mud-slinging and finger-pointing private. Keep it where I can see it.
posted by padraigin at 2:56 PM on April 9, 2003
Keep up the good work, gang, and for the love of god, don't ever take this kind of mud-slinging and finger-pointing private. Keep it where I can see it.
posted by padraigin at 2:56 PM on April 9, 2003
Schadenfreude, my darling, schadenfreude...
If I were still writing song parodies for radio stations, I'd Sean-Paul that in a second, but there's NO WAY I can visualize y2karl as Wayne Newton (wayne2newton?)
posted by wendell at 4:23 PM on April 9, 2003
If I were still writing song parodies for radio stations, I'd Sean-Paul that in a second, but there's NO WAY I can visualize y2karl as Wayne Newton (wayne2newton?)
posted by wendell at 4:23 PM on April 9, 2003
I knew it.
posted by dong_resin at 2:53 AM on April 10, 2003
posted by dong_resin at 2:53 AM on April 10, 2003
You are not logged in, either login or create an account to post comments
If e-mail is in fact the real pressure/safety valve, deflecting and absorbing a significant load of potential nastiness, chattiness or boredom, the old question about users providing an e-mail address once more arises...
I wonder, for those who have good reasons not to, or simply don't wish to do so, whether a MeFi equivalent of a poste restante could be easily set up, where users could leave private messages for each other - to be accessed, say, by their password? Is it technically feasible? Would it beat the server more than it might save in superfluous, thread-derailing personal comments? Or does the e-mail undercurrent work fine just as it is?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:15 PM on April 7, 2003