i'm irked June 22, 2004 8:35 AM Subscribe
i'm irked by the way matt trolls out minor changes (introducing major bugs) and forgets it all them soon as the mefi thread rolls off the page.
contacts is munged in several ways which is wan't before the "oh my god we must fix the free-forem text hippy-hack!"
contacts is munged in several ways which is wan't before the "oh my god we must fix the free-forem text hippy-hack!"
i havent the fuckingest idead how my pre-writen, still in draft, wont you please fix the stuff you broke mstt EVER got on the foinr opage in this condition. i suppose its the code quality, hrn??????
.wekll, i guess im done with this shit. i was attemtiung to remind howie that his fixers broke the contects but aparently they broke more that that, god this site gets annoying,
posted by quonsar at 8:49 AM on June 22, 2004
.wekll, i guess im done with this shit. i was attemtiung to remind howie that his fixers broke the contects but aparently they broke more that that, god this site gets annoying,
posted by quonsar at 8:49 AM on June 22, 2004
well, snark as you're goddam oliver beene intellects dermand it, but the fuckin contasts is broken again and i guess we'll just have to live with it until the nexr hafl-ass idea. riff told him, TIT told him, he just don't give a flying fuck.
posted by quonsar at 8:54 AM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
posted by quonsar at 8:54 AM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
q, step away from the machine. [or is there a need for freequonsar.com again?
posted by DBAPaul at 9:02 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by DBAPaul at 9:02 AM on June 22, 2004
This is definitely something to get hysterical over. Thanks, Matt, for ruining the internet.
posted by Skot at 9:05 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by Skot at 9:05 AM on June 22, 2004
Yeah, I know that feature is messed up, but I've been busy entertaining visiting family for the past week and will fix it today.
And quonsar, you could have just emailed me or at least made an attempt to post a coherent request here. I had to look at each link to decipher what you were trying to say amid all the garbage and jokes about how I do things here.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:25 AM on June 22, 2004
And quonsar, you could have just emailed me or at least made an attempt to post a coherent request here. I had to look at each link to decipher what you were trying to say amid all the garbage and jokes about how I do things here.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:25 AM on June 22, 2004
quonsar, when one gets a free pony one is not supposed to bitch about it being the wrong color.
Go for a walk, have a coke and a smile, grab a sandwich, or whatever.
posted by konolia at 9:27 AM on June 22, 2004
Go for a walk, have a coke and a smile, grab a sandwich, or whatever.
posted by konolia at 9:27 AM on June 22, 2004
? havent t? pjo' fu?????est idead p?? µ?? p??-, a??µa st? s??d??, s?????sµ??? pa?a?a?? ?a?????ete t?? ??s?a ese?? ?spase mstt ????? pa?µ???? st? opage foinr se a?t?? t?? ???. ?p???t? t?? t?? p???t?ta ??d??a, hrn ??? ?e???, im p?? ???eta? ?p???t? µe a?t? t? shit. ep???e?t? attemtiung ?a ?pe???µ?s? howie ?t? ?? s??a?µ?????t?? t?? ?spasa? ta contects a??? aparently ?spasa? pe??ss?te???? ?t? a?t?, Te?? p?? a?t? ? pe????? pa???e? t?? e?????s?.
posted by iconomy at 9:29 AM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
posted by iconomy at 9:29 AM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
Oops. Greek characters don't work here. Trust me, it was funny.
posted by iconomy at 9:32 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by iconomy at 9:32 AM on June 22, 2004
It's actually pretty damn hilarious the way it is.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:43 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:43 AM on June 22, 2004
As I watch this outrage that quonsar seems to have about the treatment of these features, I have to say and I'm probably not the only one up at this site that is more outraged by the outrage than we are by the treatment.
posted by Danelope at 9:59 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by Danelope at 9:59 AM on June 22, 2004
Do we have another crippled shut-in on our hands? How many are locked in their hovels hitting refresh until the bugs they've oh-so-neatly indexed on white 3x5 cards tacked to a bulletin board are fixed?
posted by yerfatma at 10:07 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by yerfatma at 10:07 AM on June 22, 2004
Fuck, yerfatma, that's out of line.
posted by Blue Stone at 10:11 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by Blue Stone at 10:11 AM on June 22, 2004
I nominate iconomy's post as the new metafilter in-joke. Let's see it in every incoherent thread from now on!
posted by loquax at 10:15 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by loquax at 10:15 AM on June 22, 2004
?? ? ?? ? ? ??? ? ??W? ????? ?? ?? T?? ?? ? ?? ?? ? ?? ?? ????F? ?????iconomy????? ? ? ? ??? ?? ?? ? ?? ? ? ??? ? ? ??
posted by soyjoy at 10:24 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by soyjoy at 10:24 AM on June 22, 2004
Mea Culpa:
When I wrote the contacts code I should have closed the vulnerabilities that some members have so gleefully exploited. Not doing so put Matt in the nasty position of having to patch my code on the fly.
All I can do is chalk it up to experience and remind myself to be less naively trusting next time. But it's not fair to blame Matt for problems I created.
posted by timeistight at 10:29 AM on June 22, 2004
When I wrote the contacts code I should have closed the vulnerabilities that some members have so gleefully exploited. Not doing so put Matt in the nasty position of having to patch my code on the fly.
All I can do is chalk it up to experience and remind myself to be less naively trusting next time. But it's not fair to blame Matt for problems I created.
posted by timeistight at 10:29 AM on June 22, 2004
Funniest thread in, ooh, ages. And all the gangs here - lets all take our meds together!
posted by dash_slot- at 10:34 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by dash_slot- at 10:34 AM on June 22, 2004
Metafilter: We're outraged by the outrage
This thread is hilarious, except for the parts where quonsar posted.
WolfDaddy, sorry, no working Greek characters. But we do have working Iowan characters with big ol' farmboy hands, if that's any consolation. And I know that it is.
posted by iconomy at 11:22 AM on June 22, 2004
This thread is hilarious, except for the parts where quonsar posted.
WolfDaddy, sorry, no working Greek characters. But we do have working Iowan characters with big ol' farmboy hands, if that's any consolation. And I know that it is.
posted by iconomy at 11:22 AM on June 22, 2004
Fuck, yerfatma, that's out of line.
My work here is done. They make a cream for those sensitive spots.
posted by yerfatma at 11:25 AM on June 22, 2004
My work here is done. They make a cream for those sensitive spots.
posted by yerfatma at 11:25 AM on June 22, 2004
Ok, I fixed all the contacts stuff. You can now successfully add someone as a co-worker, family member, etc, without error.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:33 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:33 AM on June 22, 2004
MetaTalk: ? havent t? pjo' fu?????est idead
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on June 22, 2004
Yerfatma, I hear they do a cream for anal warts. I'd reccomend it to you, but I'd go down for assisted suicide.
posted by Blue Stone at 11:44 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by Blue Stone at 11:44 AM on June 22, 2004
quonsar, I bet your ability to type would improve if you put the pipe down.
posted by crunchland at 11:52 AM on June 22, 2004
posted by crunchland at 11:52 AM on June 22, 2004
or is there a need for freequonsar.com again?
There is always a need for http://www.freequonsar.com/
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 12:17 PM on June 22, 2004
There is always a need for http://www.freequonsar.com/
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 12:17 PM on June 22, 2004
I hear they do a cream for anal warts. I'd reccomend it to you, but I'd go down for assisted suicide.
If you hadn't typed that yourself, you'd be playing schoolmarm and admonishing the person who did.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:24 PM on June 22, 2004
If you hadn't typed that yourself, you'd be playing schoolmarm and admonishing the person who did.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:24 PM on June 22, 2004
Greek characters don't work here.
*Retires his other user #, AKA the-guy-who-loves-greek-salad-and-that's-his-whole-shtick character*
No wonder I didn't get any laughs.
*crickets*
posted by The God Complex at 12:44 PM on June 22, 2004
*Retires his other user #, AKA the-guy-who-loves-greek-salad-and-that's-his-whole-shtick character*
No wonder I didn't get any laughs.
*crickets*
posted by The God Complex at 12:44 PM on June 22, 2004
I'd reccomend it to you, but I'd go down for assisted suicide.
I don't get it.
posted by yerfatma at 12:51 PM on June 22, 2004
I don't get it.
posted by yerfatma at 12:51 PM on June 22, 2004
*Retires his other user #, AKA the-guy-who-loves-greek-salad-and-that's-his-whole-shtick character*
*Spits feta cheese all over monitor*
posted by iconomy at 12:57 PM on June 22, 2004
*Spits feta cheese all over monitor*
posted by iconomy at 12:57 PM on June 22, 2004
When I wrote the contacts code I should have closed the vulnerabilities that some members have so gleefully exploited. Not doing so put Matt in the nasty position of having to patch my code on the fly.
I object to the term "gleefully exploited". I discovered a number of issues with both the code and the underlying structure of the database for the Contacts features. There were some serious issues with the code for the Contacts features; for example, in addition to being able to modify the "friend", "acquaintance", etc. fields, I was able to embed javascript code into those fields (that's definitely not a good thing). At every stage, I informed mathowie of what I'd found. I experimented around with it a bit (once or twice only...and the second time was just to verify things) and then IMed mathowie to let him know about the issues. It was all very above-board and done with the best intentions of MetaFilter at heart (the fact that I had glee while doing any of this isn't germane to the issue at hand).
All I can do is chalk it up to experience and remind myself to be less naively trusting next time.
Chalking things up to experience is good; however, you weren't "naively trusting", you wrote some code that had holes in it that someone could (maliciously or gleefully or otherwise) exploit. This is perfectly normal. Every coder does it — it's all part of the learning process. Next time you write code you'll be more aware of these kinds of issues and you'll write tighter code.
I think Matt's got the right attitude towards this whole issue. Sure it's annoying and more work for him when the new features are used in ways that weren't intended (or even anticipated); however, he fixes the code, makes the sytem better and everyone benefits. I can understand that from your perspective it may seem like everyone's dumping on your child here, but really, isn't it better that the genial folks at MetaFilter find/point out/suggest fixes to these possible exploits than to let the issues remain undiscovered and available for less altruistically minded visitors to the site?
posted by filmgoerjuan at 1:01 PM on June 22, 2004
I object to the term "gleefully exploited". I discovered a number of issues with both the code and the underlying structure of the database for the Contacts features. There were some serious issues with the code for the Contacts features; for example, in addition to being able to modify the "friend", "acquaintance", etc. fields, I was able to embed javascript code into those fields (that's definitely not a good thing). At every stage, I informed mathowie of what I'd found. I experimented around with it a bit (once or twice only...and the second time was just to verify things) and then IMed mathowie to let him know about the issues. It was all very above-board and done with the best intentions of MetaFilter at heart (the fact that I had glee while doing any of this isn't germane to the issue at hand).
All I can do is chalk it up to experience and remind myself to be less naively trusting next time.
Chalking things up to experience is good; however, you weren't "naively trusting", you wrote some code that had holes in it that someone could (maliciously or gleefully or otherwise) exploit. This is perfectly normal. Every coder does it — it's all part of the learning process. Next time you write code you'll be more aware of these kinds of issues and you'll write tighter code.
I think Matt's got the right attitude towards this whole issue. Sure it's annoying and more work for him when the new features are used in ways that weren't intended (or even anticipated); however, he fixes the code, makes the sytem better and everyone benefits. I can understand that from your perspective it may seem like everyone's dumping on your child here, but really, isn't it better that the genial folks at MetaFilter find/point out/suggest fixes to these possible exploits than to let the issues remain undiscovered and available for less altruistically minded visitors to the site?
posted by filmgoerjuan at 1:01 PM on June 22, 2004
quonsar, when one gets a free pony one is not supposed to bitch about it being the wrong color.
well it's not that it's the wrong colour, it actually is broken, and matt did go on to tend other ponies before this one was fixed up.
Ok, I fixed all the contacts stuff. You can now successfully add someone as a co-worker, family member, etc, without error.
thanks very much...!
posted by t r a c y at 1:35 PM on June 22, 2004
well it's not that it's the wrong colour, it actually is broken, and matt did go on to tend other ponies before this one was fixed up.
Ok, I fixed all the contacts stuff. You can now successfully add someone as a co-worker, family member, etc, without error.
thanks very much...!
posted by t r a c y at 1:35 PM on June 22, 2004
fgj: My point was that it was my error but Matt was the one getting yelled at for not fixing it fast enough.
Of course I understand about poking for vulnerabilities. That's how I got in here in the first place.
posted by timeistight at 2:45 PM on June 22, 2004
Of course I understand about poking for vulnerabilities. That's how I got in here in the first place.
posted by timeistight at 2:45 PM on June 22, 2004
Sometimes I kind of feel bad for Matt.
posted by Quartermass at 2:50 PM on June 22, 2004
posted by Quartermass at 2:50 PM on June 22, 2004
At least when I PUI (rarely as it may be), I'm coherent.
Or perhaps that was performance art. One never knows.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:18 PM on June 22, 2004
Or perhaps that was performance art. One never knows.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:18 PM on June 22, 2004
matt did go on to tend other ponies before this one was fixed up
Are you calling my visiting mother-in-law a horse?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:52 PM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
Are you calling my visiting mother-in-law a horse?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:52 PM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
Neigh.
posted by yerfatma at 5:10 PM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
posted by yerfatma at 5:10 PM on June 22, 2004 [1 favorite]
divorcefilter.
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:32 PM on June 22, 2004
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:32 PM on June 22, 2004
Metafilter: It's not fair to blame Matt for problems I created.
posted by rushmc at 5:42 PM on June 22, 2004
posted by rushmc at 5:42 PM on June 22, 2004
Are you calling my visiting mother-in-law a horse?
Has she met nofundy?
posted by timeistight at 5:46 PM on June 22, 2004
Has she met nofundy?
posted by timeistight at 5:46 PM on June 22, 2004
It's that l33t h4xx0r Shane-a-gogo, y'all need to keep your eyes on. Messin' with the code an' all.
posted by Blue Stone at 6:18 PM on June 22, 2004
posted by Blue Stone at 6:18 PM on June 22, 2004
Are you calling my visiting mother-in-law a horse?
Well, we did do the nose. And the mane. But she's a *horse!*
posted by scarabic at 2:26 AM on June 23, 2004
Well, we did do the nose. And the mane. But she's a *horse!*
posted by scarabic at 2:26 AM on June 23, 2004
Hi. I just wanted to join the party.
Are we playing Mornington Crescent again? I call rats on the rails!
posted by loquacious at 12:31 PM on June 23, 2004
Are we playing Mornington Crescent again? I call rats on the rails!
posted by loquacious at 12:31 PM on June 23, 2004
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posted by DBAPaul at 8:39 AM on June 22, 2004