An incorrect assumption August 3, 2005 4:01 AM Subscribe
Well, that was certainly surprising (wherein the author tries to make a statement with a product release related front page post but ends out learning a little about his own preconceptions about Metafilter) [MI]
Your post is certainly less interesting. But the burden of proof for uninterestingness is pretty high on MeFi. It's generally got to be noise to be deletable. I'm having a hard time not comparing this to Wikipedia's Criteria for speedy deletion, not to mention their Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point policy.
posted by Plutor at 4:18 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by Plutor at 4:18 AM on August 3, 2005
Good, now kill it.
posted by NinjaPirate at 4:18 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by NinjaPirate at 4:18 AM on August 3, 2005
wouldn't be the first time someone's done that. damned crappers.
posted by crunchland at 5:18 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by crunchland at 5:18 AM on August 3, 2005
Well, I accept your apology, Bugbread. I know it can be annoying to see posts you dislike get a lot of comments (I feel this way about the trolling politics posts).
Mefi users are geeks. Geeks like little things that go click and whirr. Things that go click and whirr AND are made by Apple apparently cause frenzies. I know I made about 4 too many posts in that Apple thread.
posted by selfnoise at 5:18 AM on August 3, 2005
Mefi users are geeks. Geeks like little things that go click and whirr. Things that go click and whirr AND are made by Apple apparently cause frenzies. I know I made about 4 too many posts in that Apple thread.
posted by selfnoise at 5:18 AM on August 3, 2005
Way to 'fess up bugbread, which once again, simply confirms my high opinion of you. I have to admit I clicked through on those dumb headphones simply because you had posted the link. I was perplexed, though.
posted by OmieWise at 6:06 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by OmieWise at 6:06 AM on August 3, 2005
OTOH, if you had posted a rant in the first comment, it probably would've been deleted.
posted by smackfu at 6:18 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by smackfu at 6:18 AM on August 3, 2005
There are no Mefi 'operating standards'. There is no rule book. You haven't proved anything. The only guideline is 'best of the web'. The most likely reason your post wasn't deleted was because mathowie couldn't be bothered. If suddenly there is a rash of unintesting product announcements on the blue you can be reasonably certain a stink will be raised and mathowie will delete them. And, no, don't take this as an invitation to continue crapping on the blue. Such 'experiments' have no value and are a waste of time.
posted by nixerman at 6:29 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by nixerman at 6:29 AM on August 3, 2005
'Best of the Web' is a debatable cliche.
Posting to the blue simply to make a point about another FPP, however, is always a bad idea, makes the poster in question look like a clueless idiot who doesn't give a damn about Mefi, and should in the future be made a bannable offense.
That said, props to you for apologizing. Just don't ever do it again.
posted by soyjoy at 7:10 AM on August 3, 2005
Posting to the blue simply to make a point about another FPP, however, is always a bad idea, makes the poster in question look like a clueless idiot who doesn't give a damn about Mefi, and should in the future be made a bannable offense.
That said, props to you for apologizing. Just don't ever do it again.
posted by soyjoy at 7:10 AM on August 3, 2005
Actually the guidelines are "most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others."
posted by kirkaracha at 7:47 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by kirkaracha at 7:47 AM on August 3, 2005
How do you like your crow, bugbread? I like mine fried. Everything tastes better fried.
posted by absalom at 7:50 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by absalom at 7:50 AM on August 3, 2005
I looked at that bluetooth headphone post and simpy thought
"Damn, I wish I had one of those or something like it 5 years ago when I was bus commuting 3 hours a day, and I had my first mp3-capable laptop, because it was a pain in the ass to dangle headphone wires out of the laptop bag, much less open and close the bag to change the volume or skip tracks. But a USB Bluetooth dongle would have probably crashed it."
And that was about all I thought. In retrospection, what keswick, selfnoise, and some of what soyjoy said.
posted by loquacious at 7:51 AM on August 3, 2005
"Damn, I wish I had one of those or something like it 5 years ago when I was bus commuting 3 hours a day, and I had my first mp3-capable laptop, because it was a pain in the ass to dangle headphone wires out of the laptop bag, much less open and close the bag to change the volume or skip tracks. But a USB Bluetooth dongle would have probably crashed it."
And that was about all I thought. In retrospection, what keswick, selfnoise, and some of what soyjoy said.
posted by loquacious at 7:51 AM on August 3, 2005
So you crapped on the blue just to make a point?
I happen to agree with that point, but yeah, less than this has earned a timeout.
posted by scarabic at 7:54 AM on August 3, 2005
I happen to agree with that point, but yeah, less than this has earned a timeout.
posted by scarabic at 7:54 AM on August 3, 2005
Some of you guys (Kewswick, handee) dont take Metafilter seriously enough.
posted by Quartermass at 8:14 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by Quartermass at 8:14 AM on August 3, 2005
The most likely reason your post wasn't deleted was because mathowie couldn't be bothered.
I dropped bugbread a line last night to see if his post was a joke/protest or not. It seemed unlike his normal style, I wasn't sure, and so it stayed. Plus, I'm geeky and it was mildly interesting. Unless a post has something strongly against it [lots of flagging, hyper-offensiveness, self-linking] it's more likely to stay than go if it's borderline. That said, bugbread, I'll remove it if you want.
posted by jessamyn at 8:15 AM on August 3, 2005
I dropped bugbread a line last night to see if his post was a joke/protest or not. It seemed unlike his normal style, I wasn't sure, and so it stayed. Plus, I'm geeky and it was mildly interesting. Unless a post has something strongly against it [lots of flagging, hyper-offensiveness, self-linking] it's more likely to stay than go if it's borderline. That said, bugbread, I'll remove it if you want.
posted by jessamyn at 8:15 AM on August 3, 2005
At least bugbread wasn't openly being a jerk about it. That being said, his *was* a pretty uninteresting link, but then there are tons of valid front page posts which are of no interest to me personally.
posted by clevershark at 8:52 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by clevershark at 8:52 AM on August 3, 2005
Frankly given how piss-poor that "Start 3" page is, I'd give seanyboy the benefit of the doubt by considering his post a fine example of mock-irony.
posted by clevershark at 9:07 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by clevershark at 9:07 AM on August 3, 2005
Damn, after seeing the third tech related post in no time yesterday I was wondering what the hell was going on.
Metafilter: Thanks for messing with my mind, fucktards.
posted by furtive at 9:40 AM on August 3, 2005
Metafilter: Thanks for messing with my mind, fucktards.
posted by furtive at 9:40 AM on August 3, 2005
thx, bugbread.
it now looks like all bets are off regarding PepsiBlue.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:55 AM on August 3, 2005
it now looks like all bets are off regarding PepsiBlue.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:55 AM on August 3, 2005
Dude, it is called iWish! Exactly how is that not Apple related? Not to mention all that 'pissed on the blue' stuff, and the 'don't disrupt to illustrate a point' stuff.
Why do you insist on exploring this issue in the most irritating way possible (eg. more and more crap posts)? Can't we just display our displeasure with MacFilter by pissing in the relevant thread, or creating a whiny Meta thread? If you really wanted to address it you would spend a few hours and gather some real data so that we can actually evaluate how the issue has evolved.
My theory: This is just an intermediate test, there are more pointless tech posts to come with varying degrees of Mac relatedness.
posted by Chuckles at 10:50 AM on August 3, 2005
Why do you insist on exploring this issue in the most irritating way possible (eg. more and more crap posts)? Can't we just display our displeasure with MacFilter by pissing in the relevant thread, or creating a whiny Meta thread? If you really wanted to address it you would spend a few hours and gather some real data so that we can actually evaluate how the issue has evolved.
My theory: This is just an intermediate test, there are more pointless tech posts to come with varying degrees of Mac relatedness.
posted by Chuckles at 10:50 AM on August 3, 2005
I think both bugbread and five fresh fish deserve a timeout. If they felt there was some sort of disparity in the way tech posts are handled, they should have posted to metatalk. If we all created "protest" posts for every FPP we didn't like, this place would be completely unreadable.
posted by Doug at 11:04 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by Doug at 11:04 AM on August 3, 2005
caddis : "So you crapped on the blue just to make a point?"
Yes and no. I did what I thought was crapping on the blue just to make a point, but it turns out what I did wasn't (apparently) crapping on the blue.
nixerman : "You haven't proved anything."
Yeah, I know, that was the point of this apology and explanation. I made an incorrect assumption, tried to prove it, and ended out being proven wrong about it.
jessamyn : "That said, bugbread, I'll remove it if you want."
As far as deletion, I really leave it up to you/y'all. On the one hand, it was a "make-a-point" post, which is frowned on. On the other hand, it didn't really incur much wrath, so, intentions aside, maybe it was accidentally a valid post. On the third hand, it was my first and only FPP (haven't serendipitously come across any sites to be my real first FPP), so of course it being deleted would make my user history look a little less stupid ("hmmm....let's see...one FPP, and it's PepsiBlue?! What a wanker!"). On the fourth hand, hey, it was my mistake, so having it conveniently disappear from my posting history is sparing me a punishment I probably deserve. There are probably a few other hands as well, spinning pencils or scratching itches or something.
Either way, I'm fine with whatever you/y'all choose.
posted by Bugbread at 11:18 AM on August 3, 2005
Yes and no. I did what I thought was crapping on the blue just to make a point, but it turns out what I did wasn't (apparently) crapping on the blue.
nixerman : "You haven't proved anything."
Yeah, I know, that was the point of this apology and explanation. I made an incorrect assumption, tried to prove it, and ended out being proven wrong about it.
jessamyn : "That said, bugbread, I'll remove it if you want."
As far as deletion, I really leave it up to you/y'all. On the one hand, it was a "make-a-point" post, which is frowned on. On the other hand, it didn't really incur much wrath, so, intentions aside, maybe it was accidentally a valid post. On the third hand, it was my first and only FPP (haven't serendipitously come across any sites to be my real first FPP), so of course it being deleted would make my user history look a little less stupid ("hmmm....let's see...one FPP, and it's PepsiBlue?! What a wanker!"). On the fourth hand, hey, it was my mistake, so having it conveniently disappear from my posting history is sparing me a punishment I probably deserve. There are probably a few other hands as well, spinning pencils or scratching itches or something.
Either way, I'm fine with whatever you/y'all choose.
posted by Bugbread at 11:18 AM on August 3, 2005
In a comment in the Blue, me3dia said:"[T]his is a suspiciously shilly post."
But buying, using and sharing information about nifty electronic gadgets is just a part of geekdom, a commonality that's part of what it means to be a member of a subculture that comprises a large fraction of Metafilter; there's nothing shilly or "pepsiblue" about it. Bugbread wasn't advertising a product, he was doing what geeks do: it's the same thing as if he'd made himself up like an O'Bannon zombie and ran around yelling quotes from those movies.
And anyway, I think Metafilter should have more in common with the Home Shopping Channel, don't you?
posted by davy at 11:20 AM on August 3, 2005
But buying, using and sharing information about nifty electronic gadgets is just a part of geekdom, a commonality that's part of what it means to be a member of a subculture that comprises a large fraction of Metafilter; there's nothing shilly or "pepsiblue" about it. Bugbread wasn't advertising a product, he was doing what geeks do: it's the same thing as if he'd made himself up like an O'Bannon zombie and ran around yelling quotes from those movies.
And anyway, I think Metafilter should have more in common with the Home Shopping Channel, don't you?
posted by davy at 11:20 AM on August 3, 2005
Doug : "I think both bugbread and five fresh fish deserve a timeout. If they felt there was some sort of disparity in the way tech posts are handled, they should have posted to metatalk."
I'm not disagreeing that we do or do not need a timeout, but, for reference, we did both post to metatalk. I just thought that people were theoretically discussing (and have frequently theoretically discussed in the past) whether Apple articles were measured by a different stick, and that I'd move the discussion from theoretical (where anybody can make any claims they want) to the actual (where reality wins). Turns out the folks arguing theoreticals that I disagreed with were in fact the ones who were right, and the ones arguing theoreticals I agreed with were in fact the ones who were wrong.
If what you meant was "they should have limited their posts to metatalk", then, yeah, that's a conclusion that I can grok. And regardless of what you meant, a timeout is also something I can grok.
posted by Bugbread at 11:23 AM on August 3, 2005
I'm not disagreeing that we do or do not need a timeout, but, for reference, we did both post to metatalk. I just thought that people were theoretically discussing (and have frequently theoretically discussed in the past) whether Apple articles were measured by a different stick, and that I'd move the discussion from theoretical (where anybody can make any claims they want) to the actual (where reality wins). Turns out the folks arguing theoreticals that I disagreed with were in fact the ones who were right, and the ones arguing theoreticals I agreed with were in fact the ones who were wrong.
If what you meant was "they should have limited their posts to metatalk", then, yeah, that's a conclusion that I can grok. And regardless of what you meant, a timeout is also something I can grok.
posted by Bugbread at 11:23 AM on August 3, 2005
anapestic : "You have four hands?"
No, eight, you must have missed this bit: "There are probably a few other hands as well, spinning pencils or scratching itches or something."
davy : "And anyway, I think Metafilter should have more in common with the Home Shopping Channel, don't you?"
No.
posted by Bugbread at 11:39 AM on August 3, 2005
No, eight, you must have missed this bit: "There are probably a few other hands as well, spinning pencils or scratching itches or something."
davy : "And anyway, I think Metafilter should have more in common with the Home Shopping Channel, don't you?"
No.
posted by Bugbread at 11:39 AM on August 3, 2005
I await a definitive ruling on how this differs substantially from this, which was referred to as "sucking corporate cock".
posted by davy at 11:46 AM on August 3, 2005
posted by davy at 11:46 AM on August 3, 2005
I don't know if anyone has the authority for a definitive ruling, but, as the poster of the first link, and the person who used the phrase "sucking corporate cock", I can act as a witness for the plaintiff (davy): they don't. They're pretty much the same.
And, for followup, the second was referred to as "sucking corporate cock" only to the extent that, if you take it to be true that dressing like a zombie is somehow sucking the corporate cock, then linking a product page (the New Yorker comic collection, wireless headphones, etc.) is sucking the corporate cock with even more skillful technique and perhaps a tongue piercing. Since I don't agree with the initial assumption, I do not agree with the conclusion that linking a product page is ipso facto skillful business fellatio. It might be, and it might not be, but it isn't automatic, and, if anything, your link to the New Yorker comic collection would, in my opinion, fall on the "not sucking corporate cock" end of the spectrum. You (in the zombie thread) were the one stating that dressing like a zombie is being a sad, idiotic, stupid pawn of corporate culture, so I was just saying that, using your standards, your post would be "sucking corporate cock".
And now that I've said "sucking corporate cock" a billion times, it's probably time to say something like...Hi, mom, hi, dad, hope y'all aren't reading this.
posted by Bugbread at 11:55 AM on August 3, 2005
And, for followup, the second was referred to as "sucking corporate cock" only to the extent that, if you take it to be true that dressing like a zombie is somehow sucking the corporate cock, then linking a product page (the New Yorker comic collection, wireless headphones, etc.) is sucking the corporate cock with even more skillful technique and perhaps a tongue piercing. Since I don't agree with the initial assumption, I do not agree with the conclusion that linking a product page is ipso facto skillful business fellatio. It might be, and it might not be, but it isn't automatic, and, if anything, your link to the New Yorker comic collection would, in my opinion, fall on the "not sucking corporate cock" end of the spectrum. You (in the zombie thread) were the one stating that dressing like a zombie is being a sad, idiotic, stupid pawn of corporate culture, so I was just saying that, using your standards, your post would be "sucking corporate cock".
And now that I've said "sucking corporate cock" a billion times, it's probably time to say something like...Hi, mom, hi, dad, hope y'all aren't reading this.
posted by Bugbread at 11:55 AM on August 3, 2005
But the burden of proof for uninterestingness is pretty high on MeFi.
That sums things up.
posted by mistersix at 12:04 PM on August 3, 2005
That sums things up.
posted by mistersix at 12:04 PM on August 3, 2005
He already apologized, people.
posted by matildaben at 12:40 PM on August 3, 2005
posted by matildaben at 12:40 PM on August 3, 2005
just a part of geekdom, a commonality that's part of what it means to be a member of a subculture that comprises a large fraction of Metafilter
MetaFilter is not a gadgets Blog.
I have interests that I'm sure are shared by a large fraction of MetaFilter. Gadgets, woodworking, motorcycles, backpacking, etcetera.
That does not make it okay to post a product promotion for the latest Veritas Honing Guide, Kawasaki Sportbike, cheap-ass kid's tent, or any other PepsiBlue gadgety shit.
There are many product-tracking websites out there, all of which do a far, far better job of keeping you informed as to the what's going on in whatever special-interest world you inhabit.
MetaFilter is not an appropriate place for product announcements.
I wish Matt would give his head a shake, really think about whether PepsiBlue is what he wants, and make a final pronouncement on it. If we're to become a chickenshit gadget blog, so be it, but let's make it official.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:44 PM on August 3, 2005
MetaFilter is not a gadgets Blog.
I have interests that I'm sure are shared by a large fraction of MetaFilter. Gadgets, woodworking, motorcycles, backpacking, etcetera.
That does not make it okay to post a product promotion for the latest Veritas Honing Guide, Kawasaki Sportbike, cheap-ass kid's tent, or any other PepsiBlue gadgety shit.
There are many product-tracking websites out there, all of which do a far, far better job of keeping you informed as to the what's going on in whatever special-interest world you inhabit.
MetaFilter is not an appropriate place for product announcements.
I wish Matt would give his head a shake, really think about whether PepsiBlue is what he wants, and make a final pronouncement on it. If we're to become a chickenshit gadget blog, so be it, but let's make it official.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:44 PM on August 3, 2005
A timeout for attempted blue crapping? I'd think the inability to crap would be punishment enough.
posted by spaghetti at 12:54 PM on August 3, 2005
posted by spaghetti at 12:54 PM on August 3, 2005
Timeout? For this? Ludicrous. It was bad form, nothing more.
As for the best axe grinding post, I vote for Seth's first (and only) post to the front page. It was a brilliant retort to his critics in this MeTa post in which he decried the lack of standards on the blue and was soundly derided, including charges along the lines of "how can you talk when you never post."
posted by caddis at 12:56 PM on August 3, 2005
As for the best axe grinding post, I vote for Seth's first (and only) post to the front page. It was a brilliant retort to his critics in this MeTa post in which he decried the lack of standards on the blue and was soundly derided, including charges along the lines of "how can you talk when you never post."
posted by caddis at 12:56 PM on August 3, 2005
Here's a post FFF won't like, from the year 2000, by mathowie.
Posts about commercial products, whatever their category, have always been a part of Metafilter. While some of these may cross the line into unacceptable promotion, the vast majority are of what most users seem to consider is an acceptable quality.
Take a breath, flag it if you feel you have to, and move on.
posted by selfnoise at 1:03 PM on August 3, 2005
Posts about commercial products, whatever their category, have always been a part of Metafilter. While some of these may cross the line into unacceptable promotion, the vast majority are of what most users seem to consider is an acceptable quality.
Take a breath, flag it if you feel you have to, and move on.
posted by selfnoise at 1:03 PM on August 3, 2005
I don't think you should be banned, though. Or Bugbread. Both of the posts made to the Blue, while snarky, contained actual content and weren't ludicrous trolls, which is more than I can say for at least one of today's deleted posts.
posted by selfnoise at 1:06 PM on August 3, 2005
posted by selfnoise at 1:06 PM on August 3, 2005
"You have four hands?"
No, eight
Shouldn't you be spiderbread, then?
But buying, using and sharing information about nifty electronic gadgets is just a part of geekdom, a commonality that's part of what it means to be a member of a subculture that comprises a large fraction of Metafilter; there's nothing shilly or "pepsiblue" about it.
I didn't notice the author of the post until after I commented. Then I came over here to see if it had been mentioned. What struck me as PepsiBluish about the post was its content -- a vague product page on an obscure store site. I did some googling and found next to nothing about the product, which made it smell fishy to me.
I'm not a fan of PepsiBlue, but I also don't think fff's vision of a gadget post-free MetaFilter makes much sense, either. Just as with NewsFilter, there will always be exceptions to the rule. (And I'll point out: unlike NewsFilter, we're hardly being overrun by gadget posts.) No, it's not OK to post about some dumb puptent, but what about, say, an at-home DNA sampling kit, and the questions that raises? While some product posts might be lame, others could generate very interesting discussion.
posted by me3dia at 1:10 PM on August 3, 2005
No, eight
Shouldn't you be spiderbread, then?
But buying, using and sharing information about nifty electronic gadgets is just a part of geekdom, a commonality that's part of what it means to be a member of a subculture that comprises a large fraction of Metafilter; there's nothing shilly or "pepsiblue" about it.
I didn't notice the author of the post until after I commented. Then I came over here to see if it had been mentioned. What struck me as PepsiBluish about the post was its content -- a vague product page on an obscure store site. I did some googling and found next to nothing about the product, which made it smell fishy to me.
I'm not a fan of PepsiBlue, but I also don't think fff's vision of a gadget post-free MetaFilter makes much sense, either. Just as with NewsFilter, there will always be exceptions to the rule. (And I'll point out: unlike NewsFilter, we're hardly being overrun by gadget posts.) No, it's not OK to post about some dumb puptent, but what about, say, an at-home DNA sampling kit, and the questions that raises? While some product posts might be lame, others could generate very interesting discussion.
posted by me3dia at 1:10 PM on August 3, 2005
People have been given timeouts for much less.
Such as?
posted by spaghetti at 1:14 PM on August 3, 2005
Such as?
posted by spaghetti at 1:14 PM on August 3, 2005
I can't believe people are calling for a timeout! remind me next time I do something stupid to DENY DENY DENY no matter what, because clearly coming clean and apologizing in a classy manner clearly means nothing around here. Shit.
Has anyone said "MetaFilter: Sucking the Corporate Cock" yet? If not, people are clearly falling down on the job.
posted by absalom at 1:24 PM on August 3, 2005
Has anyone said "MetaFilter: Sucking the Corporate Cock" yet? If not, people are clearly falling down on the job.
posted by absalom at 1:24 PM on August 3, 2005
I think anybody who mentions anything like a product at all, such as zombies, should be taken out and shot! Except me, it's wicked k3wl when I do it, for which y'all should henceforth PH34R M3!1!
Metafilter: Sucking the Corporate Cock. ("O Absalom, Absalom!")
Better now? Let's move on.
posted by davy at 1:36 PM on August 3, 2005
Metafilter: Sucking the Corporate Cock. ("O Absalom, Absalom!")
Better now? Let's move on.
posted by davy at 1:36 PM on August 3, 2005
MetaFilter is not a gadgets Blog.
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it is nothing more than that-- your person opinion on the matter. I enjoy posts for products when those products are interesting, unique, etc. and create a worthwhile discussion (as long as the poster has nothing to do with the product) If you look back at the early years of MeFi, you will see many such threads. Just because in the intervening years "gadget blogs" have sprouted up doesn't mean those types of posts should be banned.
posted by gwint at 4:14 PM on August 3, 2005
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it is nothing more than that-- your person opinion on the matter. I enjoy posts for products when those products are interesting, unique, etc. and create a worthwhile discussion (as long as the poster has nothing to do with the product) If you look back at the early years of MeFi, you will see many such threads. Just because in the intervening years "gadget blogs" have sprouted up doesn't mean those types of posts should be banned.
posted by gwint at 4:14 PM on August 3, 2005
The deepest issue here isn't PepsiBlue, it's bugbread's state of mind at the time of posting. He *was* deliberately crapping on the blue at the time he made the post. What happened after has no relevance to the issue of bugbread's use of the front page to make a point in another thread.
Bugbread, it was a completely horseshit move that has the added horseshit benefit of being a bad precedent. Way to go, genius.
posted by mediareport at 4:27 PM on August 3, 2005
Bugbread, it was a completely horseshit move that has the added horseshit benefit of being a bad precedent. Way to go, genius.
posted by mediareport at 4:27 PM on August 3, 2005
Your definition of Jerk must differ to mine soyjoy. fwiw, that start page will probably be posted again in the future by someone who thinks it is "best of the web". Also, some interesting discussion came out of the post. I think start looks good, and it's a technological marvel, but I'm happy enough to accept that these things are subjective.
I'll not deny that I posted it as a protest post, I did it to deliberately wind people up and I was looking for an old fashioned MeFi fight. I'm sorry I "shitted on the blue". It's not something I generally like from other people, and my doing it was hypocritical. However, I think Start has as much (if not more) geek merit as the Mighty Mouse, and my rather vulgar point that MeFi is Apple-Centric was made.
Of course, bugbread did it all so much better than me. I'm a little bit jealous of that.
posted by seanyboy at 4:37 PM on August 3, 2005
I'll not deny that I posted it as a protest post, I did it to deliberately wind people up and I was looking for an old fashioned MeFi fight. I'm sorry I "shitted on the blue". It's not something I generally like from other people, and my doing it was hypocritical. However, I think Start has as much (if not more) geek merit as the Mighty Mouse, and my rather vulgar point that MeFi is Apple-Centric was made.
Of course, bugbread did it all so much better than me. I'm a little bit jealous of that.
posted by seanyboy at 4:37 PM on August 3, 2005
mediareport: 50% of the posts that go onto MeFi are people deliberately shitting on the blue. They know it isn't best of the web and they're flying some partisan newsy rubbish that everyone knows about, but they just don't care. (b.t.w. This doesn't include you. Your posts are monumentally good.)
The difference I guess is that (a) bugbread cares and (b) he's trying to make a difference. I don't know why these two things make people angrier, but they do.
Ultimately you have to ask yourself what spoils MetaFilter the most. I'm guessing it isn't the odd protest post made by members (I'm not including myself in this) who generally behave like model citizens.
posted by seanyboy at 4:46 PM on August 3, 2005
The difference I guess is that (a) bugbread cares and (b) he's trying to make a difference. I don't know why these two things make people angrier, but they do.
Ultimately you have to ask yourself what spoils MetaFilter the most. I'm guessing it isn't the odd protest post made by members (I'm not including myself in this) who generally behave like model citizens.
posted by seanyboy at 4:46 PM on August 3, 2005
can it already--people who post news stuff do it because they see it, it's interesting, and it's on the web--not to shit on the blue.
All this reminds me of the endless shit Miguel got for Chatfilter. It's boring, it's mean, anc it makes this a sucky, unpleasant place--not the posts, but the bitching. Chill, and post the things you find online that you like if you don't like what you see--you don't have to wait for money or a contest, you know (which many apparently don't know).
posted by amberglow at 6:23 PM on August 3, 2005
All this reminds me of the endless shit Miguel got for Chatfilter. It's boring, it's mean, anc it makes this a sucky, unpleasant place--not the posts, but the bitching. Chill, and post the things you find online that you like if you don't like what you see--you don't have to wait for money or a contest, you know (which many apparently don't know).
posted by amberglow at 6:23 PM on August 3, 2005
He *was* deliberately crapping on the blue at the time he made the post.
As was whoever posted the MightyAppleMouseFilter crap.
posted by five fresh fish at 6:48 PM on August 3, 2005
As was whoever posted the MightyAppleMouseFilter crap.
posted by five fresh fish at 6:48 PM on August 3, 2005
Amen FFF
I take back my original comment. Good job bugbread, do it again. Most of the folks complaining about this could not hold a candle to your contributions to this place, and on top of that you started this thread with an apology.
Say, have you guys heard about the PSP?
posted by caddis at 7:52 PM on August 3, 2005
I take back my original comment. Good job bugbread, do it again. Most of the folks complaining about this could not hold a candle to your contributions to this place, and on top of that you started this thread with an apology.
Say, have you guys heard about the PSP?
posted by caddis at 7:52 PM on August 3, 2005
50% of the posts that go onto MeFi are people deliberately shitting on the blue.
*brain boggles, explodes*
posted by mediareport at 7:54 PM on August 3, 2005
*brain boggles, explodes*
posted by mediareport at 7:54 PM on August 3, 2005
Mefi users are geeks.
Speak for yourself. Thanks.
posted by BoringPostcards at 8:05 PM on August 3, 2005
Speak for yourself. Thanks.
posted by BoringPostcards at 8:05 PM on August 3, 2005
Your definition of Jerk must differ to mine soyjoy...
I'll not deny that I posted it as a protest post, I did it to deliberately wind people up and I was looking for an old fashioned MeFi fight.
So... all of that last part does not fall under the heading of "being a jerk about it" in your book? OK. Fascinating.
posted by soyjoy at 9:08 PM on August 3, 2005
I'll not deny that I posted it as a protest post, I did it to deliberately wind people up and I was looking for an old fashioned MeFi fight.
So... all of that last part does not fall under the heading of "being a jerk about it" in your book? OK. Fascinating.
posted by soyjoy at 9:08 PM on August 3, 2005
It had a jerkish flavour to it, but come on. Get a sense of god damn perspective.
amberglow: If there wasn't such a lot of news posted, I'd agree with you. This isn't the case though. Individually, nobody is doing anything wrong, but collectively we look like a bunch of bickering idiots.
This is subjective, of course. A section of Metafilter likes MeFi the way it is. I don't know if this is a minority or a majority, but personally, I don't like it.
posted by seanyboy at 12:09 AM on August 4, 2005
amberglow: If there wasn't such a lot of news posted, I'd agree with you. This isn't the case though. Individually, nobody is doing anything wrong, but collectively we look like a bunch of bickering idiots.
This is subjective, of course. A section of Metafilter likes MeFi the way it is. I don't know if this is a minority or a majority, but personally, I don't like it.
posted by seanyboy at 12:09 AM on August 4, 2005
Poo is always stinky, no matter how delicious or nutritious the food that has gone into its making might have been.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:20 AM on August 4, 2005
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:20 AM on August 4, 2005
Individually is all that counts, seany. It's individual members who post, not a collective. It's individual members who come across something online they want to share. Casting aspersions on their motives for doing so does nothing to make the kinds of posts on the front page better--or at all different.
posted by amberglow at 5:40 AM on August 4, 2005
posted by amberglow at 5:40 AM on August 4, 2005
Casting aspersions on their motives for doing so does nothing to make the kinds of posts on the front page better
posted by languagehat at 6:22 AM on August 4, 2005
posted by languagehat at 6:22 AM on August 4, 2005
fff, my old Stanley No. 5 thanks you for the Veritas Mk. II Honing Guide link.
And I'm posting this with my new Mighty Mouse, which fucking rocks.
posted by nicwolff at 9:19 PM on August 4, 2005
And I'm posting this with my new Mighty Mouse, which fucking rocks.
posted by nicwolff at 9:19 PM on August 4, 2005
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The multibuttoned Apple mouse post struck me as clearly being a post which was only allowed because it was Apple related. That is, the technology was nothing particularly remarkable, and I thought that the only reason it was allowed to stand was because it was Apple related. A few other people thought the same way, one of which was five fresh fish, who went out to prove the point by posting some random technological product release. However, reading his FPP, I found two problems with his protest: He took the effort to find something interesting, and he filled the [MI] with an explanation of what he was doing, and how it would be deleted, which would prove the point that the Apple article would be tolerated because it was Apple, while his own post would not. It struck me that, by doing so, he wasn't really setting up a fair parallel situation, because his [MI] made the two unequivalent, and if his post got closed down, it wouldn't help prove his point, because it would probably be shut down for being an intentional somewhat ranty protest.
So I decided to do Protest 2.0. I went to engadget, skipped down to the first product release which didn't look interesting, and posted it up, with no ranting or connecting it to the Apple issue, with the assumption (intent) that it would get MeTa'd or deleted or otherwise not-allowed, on the basis (essentially) of just not being Apple, and thereby make the point.
Imagine my surprise to find, after going to bed and waking up hours later, that fff's post was deleted (no surprise), but that my own post was still standing, even though it was intentionally made to be a less interesting tech post.
So,it's not like I'm pissed off or anything. I'm surprised. In a certain way, I'm a little happy. I'd always thought MeFi had an inconsistent and perhaps even a little hypocritical acceptance for Apple posts. It turns out that I was wrong, and MeFi seems to accept tech posts pretty evenly across the board; or at least evenly enough that my post didn't become the flaming wreck I had assumed it would be. And, I guess, I'd like to apologize to MeFi for getting y'all wrong.
I feel like the guy in a sitcom who adamantly argues that a door is locked, and then, to prove his point, walks over and pulls on the doorknob, only to find that it wasn't locked, and he looks like a fool for having argued that it was.
posted by Bugbread at 4:01 AM on August 3, 2005