Double! August 23, 2001 1:15 PM Subscribe
What I should have said here, I said there, but here's a quick synopsis:
Me: dp
Twee: I don't get this "doublepost" thing. I'm sure that some people are seeing this link for the first time, and it's not a big deal regardless -- why the tattletaling?
(Especially since you didn't seem to have anything else to contribute -- would you have posted a comment if your "double-post" alert hadn't gone off?)
Me: I was just saying, is all. Two reasons:
a. Sometimes Matt kills double posts. It keeps front-page clutter to a minimum. That's how things work around here.
b. If the link stays, others will be aware that there's already a thread chock full of snarky goodness.
Personally, I don't get this "bitching about pointing out doubleposts" thing.
Msacheson: twee: I think there's a game some MeFi'ers play where they earn points for being the first to point out a double-post. Score 1 for jpoulos!
Twee: I wasn't criticizing you specifically -- it's just that doublepost-spotting seems to be almost a game on MeFi. I've seen quite a few accompanied by "Why don't you check the archives before you post?" (with snarkier language, of course.) Occasionally it seems to degenerate into "Ha ha, look at what the idiot new guy did!"
Me: I understand your point, twee, but you did, in fact, criticize me specifically in your second post. No biggee, though.
Yes, it can be sort of a game for some of us, but there is a value, I think, in establishing and "enforcing" some rules around here. You don't have to be a jerk about it (and I don't think I was), but guidelines are important.
posted by jpoulos at 1:21 PM on August 23, 2001
Me: dp
Twee: I don't get this "doublepost" thing. I'm sure that some people are seeing this link for the first time, and it's not a big deal regardless -- why the tattletaling?
(Especially since you didn't seem to have anything else to contribute -- would you have posted a comment if your "double-post" alert hadn't gone off?)
Me: I was just saying, is all. Two reasons:
a. Sometimes Matt kills double posts. It keeps front-page clutter to a minimum. That's how things work around here.
b. If the link stays, others will be aware that there's already a thread chock full of snarky goodness.
Personally, I don't get this "bitching about pointing out doubleposts" thing.
Msacheson: twee: I think there's a game some MeFi'ers play where they earn points for being the first to point out a double-post. Score 1 for jpoulos!
Twee: I wasn't criticizing you specifically -- it's just that doublepost-spotting seems to be almost a game on MeFi. I've seen quite a few accompanied by "Why don't you check the archives before you post?" (with snarkier language, of course.) Occasionally it seems to degenerate into "Ha ha, look at what the idiot new guy did!"
Me: I understand your point, twee, but you did, in fact, criticize me specifically in your second post. No biggee, though.
Yes, it can be sort of a game for some of us, but there is a value, I think, in establishing and "enforcing" some rules around here. You don't have to be a jerk about it (and I don't think I was), but guidelines are important.
posted by jpoulos at 1:21 PM on August 23, 2001
One of the guidelines is "check the archives before you post". What about that is hard to understand?
befuddled as usual
k
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:23 PM on August 23, 2001
befuddled as usual
k
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:23 PM on August 23, 2001
It's an innocent mistake, though, and certain MeFiers (no one here, honestly) seem to derive pleasure from making others look stupid for their own benefit. It just irks me a little -- sorry for bringing it up in the frontpage thread...
posted by tweebiscuit at 1:28 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by tweebiscuit at 1:28 PM on August 23, 2001
I think maybe you are being oversensitive. When someone, like your friend and mine jpoulos, points out the double-post in a non-offensive manner, as I think he did, he's just flagging it.
You are right, though, that it is inappropriate to point it out in a bitchy way. Maybe we should organize a MeFi task force to slap uncalled for meanness with a bdpf (Bitchy Double Post Flag). I think the question is pretty much moot, though, because there are 10,000 or whatever people on MeFi. Some of them are nice and some of them are naughty. Some of them harbor secret plans for global domination.
And some of them, just possibly, and I stress POSSIBLY, may be involved in a cabal.
k
If you ain't breed...you're meat!
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:37 PM on August 23, 2001
You are right, though, that it is inappropriate to point it out in a bitchy way. Maybe we should organize a MeFi task force to slap uncalled for meanness with a bdpf (Bitchy Double Post Flag). I think the question is pretty much moot, though, because there are 10,000 or whatever people on MeFi. Some of them are nice and some of them are naughty. Some of them harbor secret plans for global domination.
And some of them, just possibly, and I stress POSSIBLY, may be involved in a cabal.
k
If you ain't breed...you're meat!
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:37 PM on August 23, 2001
why should we care if someone's post looks bitchy or not? if someone wants to put down a double poster, that someone will judged by their reaction as well. if you feel belittled by someone calling out your post as a double, i would guess most others are probably embarassed by the call out as well. metafilter isn't grade school -- most won't take sides with bullies. what i'm saying is that this stuff tends to sort itself out, usually.
posted by moz at 1:46 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by moz at 1:46 PM on August 23, 2001
sorry moz...I was just playing around.
tj: check your stocking this year. Coal, baby, coal.
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:49 PM on August 23, 2001
tj: check your stocking this year. Coal, baby, coal.
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:49 PM on August 23, 2001
*chuckle*
jesus...over 10k members and the need to bitch/rant about dbleposting continues.
posted by dangerman at 1:52 PM on August 23, 2001
jesus...over 10k members and the need to bitch/rant about dbleposting continues.
posted by dangerman at 1:52 PM on August 23, 2001
figures, but I still got the whole wolrd domination thing to look forward to.
posted by tj at 1:56 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by tj at 1:56 PM on August 23, 2001
Crap! I didn't think of grabbing the name "idiot new guy"
That would have been cool.
People make mistakes, point it out nicely that they doubleposted, then
set fire to their house
demagnetize all their disks
repossess their car
ruin their credit
take their children away from them (for heaven's sake, think of the children!)
and
ban them from metafilter permanently.
Since that's the worst thing you can do around here.
posted by fuq at 2:01 PM on August 23, 2001
That would have been cool.
People make mistakes, point it out nicely that they doubleposted, then
set fire to their house
demagnetize all their disks
repossess their car
ruin their credit
take their children away from them (for heaven's sake, think of the children!)
and
ban them from metafilter permanently.
Since that's the worst thing you can do around here.
posted by fuq at 2:01 PM on August 23, 2001
Matt, can we have a new Metatalk topic entitled "Double Post debates". Seems to make sense as this is at least an octuple post (1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8).
:-)
posted by fooljay at 5:07 PM on August 23, 2001
:-)
posted by fooljay at 5:07 PM on August 23, 2001
It's an innocent mistake, though, and certain MeFiers (no one here, honestly) seem to derive pleasure from making others look stupid for their own benefit.
You can never point out a double post or another breach of netiquette without being accused of enjoying it too much. Fuck that. I love pointing out people's mistakes in MetaTalk.
posted by rcade at 7:33 PM on August 23, 2001
You can never point out a double post or another breach of netiquette without being accused of enjoying it too much. Fuck that. I love pointing out people's mistakes in MetaTalk.
posted by rcade at 7:33 PM on August 23, 2001
On a side note.. from my comments in the post that this is (somewhat) attatched to... anyone care to start up a MeFi Fantasy Hockey League? email me (there's a profile there.. use it) if you're interested I will gladly commish (since i know more about Hockey than doing a simple spell check most of the time)
posted by tj at 9:25 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by tj at 9:25 PM on August 23, 2001
OK, the problem I see here is population-related. There are so many of us now that a simple point-out-the-double-post comment leads to fifteen off-topic replies on the meta topic of double-posting (most of which should be in this thread). "That's over a year old, give it a pass!" "My standard is three months." "I've seen it 7 times in the last week." Etc.
posted by dhartung at 10:43 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by dhartung at 10:43 PM on August 23, 2001
i don't understand how the "it hasn't been posted for X amount of time" is a valid arguement. it seems real simple. before posting you search if it has been posted before and if it has you don't post it. if everyone posts b/c it's been X amount of time since the last post then metafilter will be 90% rehash and 10% new stuff.
posted by suprfli at 11:52 PM on August 23, 2001
posted by suprfli at 11:52 PM on August 23, 2001
If you accept double posts, maybe you should spend some time in the archive instead.
The front page is for new stuff, the archive for old. Accidently double posting is okay, but not even checking if something has been posted before is asking for trouble.
posted by gleemax at 8:38 AM on August 24, 2001
The front page is for new stuff, the archive for old. Accidently double posting is okay, but not even checking if something has been posted before is asking for trouble.
posted by gleemax at 8:38 AM on August 24, 2001
I spoke too soon. I'm okay with a double post if done intentionally to spark new discussion, especially if the original post didn't get attention for whatever reason (another popular thread, a busy day, holiday, early posts, etc.).
posted by gleemax at 8:44 AM on August 24, 2001
posted by gleemax at 8:44 AM on August 24, 2001
Also, I don't quite know how to say this, but when I see 'dp' I don't think 'double post'.
posted by gleemax at 8:48 AM on August 24, 2001
posted by gleemax at 8:48 AM on August 24, 2001
well. i personally dont see the harm in rediscussing thing from months ago or such... esp with the new users that join everyday.
are you all so adamant and certain of your stances on things that months and months later it still holds true...?and the double post disease always seems to kill all discussion.... even tho there have been tons of new members who probably have something to say YOU havent heard. (not a directed "you" =))
to me its no different than "first post" BS - just whoever can say it first, in the most witty / sometimes just on the brink of assholish way, so they can be the guy who "dp'd" that lazy minded sucker.
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes an elitist.
posted by Satapher at 11:08 AM on August 24, 2001
are you all so adamant and certain of your stances on things that months and months later it still holds true...?and the double post disease always seems to kill all discussion.... even tho there have been tons of new members who probably have something to say YOU havent heard. (not a directed "you" =))
to me its no different than "first post" BS - just whoever can say it first, in the most witty / sometimes just on the brink of assholish way, so they can be the guy who "dp'd" that lazy minded sucker.
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes an elitist.
posted by Satapher at 11:08 AM on August 24, 2001
to me its no different than "first post" BS - just whoever can say it first, in the most witty / sometimes just on the brink of assholish way, so they can be the guy who "dp'd" that lazy minded sucker.
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes an elitist.
It's not about being elitist. It's not about who can say it first. That's ridiculous. It's one thing to bring up a particular topic over and over. But to bring up the same link? If something is worth renewed discussion, then it's worth the extra effort to find something new about it.
Otherwise, the old thread is still out there. Lots of people use the recent comments view, so they might even see your post!
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes a lazy bastard.
posted by daveadams at 11:21 AM on August 24, 2001
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes an elitist.
It's not about being elitist. It's not about who can say it first. That's ridiculous. It's one thing to bring up a particular topic over and over. But to bring up the same link? If something is worth renewed discussion, then it's worth the extra effort to find something new about it.
Otherwise, the old thread is still out there. Lots of people use the recent comments view, so they might even see your post!
yah. i mean. whatever. nobody likes a lazy bastard.
posted by daveadams at 11:21 AM on August 24, 2001
And let's be honest, I would dare say that most double posts happen within one month (if not sooner) of the original. At least in my memory, that's almost always how it goes.
That doesn't exactly qualify for the "it's new to most" category.
posted by fooljay at 1:32 PM on August 24, 2001
That doesn't exactly qualify for the "it's new to most" category.
posted by fooljay at 1:32 PM on August 24, 2001
It depends on my mood, but I've been known to like an elitist.
posted by poseur at 9:24 PM on August 24, 2001
posted by poseur at 9:24 PM on August 24, 2001
but if it *is* a double post, and the people that have already seen it don't want to recomment on it, then leaving it alone will result in its being washed away and ignored, eh? when you go to the trouble of posting "dp," then you bring attention to it by bringing it back up to the top of the "recently posted" list.
posted by tewedle at 1:10 AM on August 25, 2001
posted by tewedle at 1:10 AM on August 25, 2001
'I've been known to like an elitist'
I only like elite elitists.. All true renegades walk alone.
posted by Kino at 11:21 AM on September 2, 2001
I only like elite elitists.. All true renegades walk alone.
posted by Kino at 11:21 AM on September 2, 2001
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posted by tj at 1:21 PM on August 23, 2001