shiny! titles! October 30, 2001 2:33 PM   Subscribe

Ooh - title tags on posts! I like it.
posted by obiwanwasabi to MetaFilter-Related at 2:33 PM (33 comments total)

I've seen those a couple of times, but I have no idea how a person would make them. Anyone? Anyone?
posted by ColdChef at 2:36 PM on October 30, 2001

<a href="" title="Title goes here">click me!</a>
posted by tomorama at 2:39 PM on October 30, 2001

Just whack a 'title' tag inside your link:

{a href = "" title = "insert witty subliminal title here"} Text for your link here {/a}
posted by obiwanwasabi at 2:41 PM on October 30, 2001

Er...yeah, wot tomorama said :)
posted by obiwanwasabi at 2:42 PM on October 30, 2001

i like titles
posted by palegirl at 2:44 PM on October 30, 2001

Thanks, folks!
posted by ColdChef at 2:47 PM on October 30, 2001

I like titles. I use titles. At the same time, I get annoyed by how the URL gets obscured. Wish there was a way to toggle...
posted by fooljay at 3:15 PM on October 30, 2001

the URL gets obscured

I'm curious -- what browser? (In IE5 (both mac and windoz), the title appears like a flag next to the pointer (if you hover over the linked text), while the url appears in that field at the bottom of the browser window -- i.e., no obscurity. But I've wondered, when I've used titles before, what they look like in other browsers....)
posted by mattpfeff at 3:34 PM on October 30, 2001

mattpfeff: "that field" = the status bar? in IE you can toggle it under the view menu.
posted by pnevares at 3:41 PM on October 30, 2001

This is not a title.
posted by Kafkaesque at 3:43 PM on October 30, 2001

Yes it is.
posted by Marquis at 3:53 PM on October 30, 2001

No, it's a title tag.
posted by j.edwards at 3:53 PM on October 30, 2001

yes! status bar. ahh. all is well in the world ... almost. I still want to know about that url obscurity. I mean, with status bar displayed, you can always see the url, and without it, you can't, regardless of title tags, in IE, it seems. Unless of course you use onmouseover in Javascript. (Is that to what fooljay refers?)

(By the way, guys, you can use title tags without the href...)
posted by mattpfeff at 3:56 PM on October 30, 2001

No I meant this is not a title
posted by Kafkaesque at 3:57 PM on October 30, 2001

Mattpref, Opera...
posted by fooljay at 4:25 PM on October 30, 2001

I don't like having the URL obscured. (and I use opera).

isn't it possible to use longdesc to provide the equivalent information while leaving the URL as is?
posted by rebeccablood at 4:34 PM on October 30, 2001

ah, opera. I knew there was a reason I haven't downloaded that yet (aside from my measly "56"k connection, that runs at 36 or so, from what I can tell)....
posted by mattpfeff at 4:57 PM on October 30, 2001

Heh, it's WELL worth the download. I've been using it for about 4 months as my only browser... It rocks, is full-featured and FAST.
posted by fooljay at 6:05 PM on October 30, 2001

See, in the inevitable browser wars, (unless you need security or Flash or Java), OffByOne browser wins hands down, and fits on a high-density floppy.

I knew what you meant, K... And such is the perfidy (or treachery, if you like) of hypertext... Magritte would be proud of us. *takes long, refreshing sip from fur-lined cup, crucifies self on a tesseract*
posted by j.edwards at 6:28 PM on October 30, 2001

actually, isn't it an attribute, not a tag?

and so far, that's the one thing about Opera that really bugs me.
posted by epersonae at 7:18 PM on October 30, 2001

Thank you, epersonae, that's been driving me batty. The title tag is a whole different beast.

isn't it possible to use longdesc to provide the equivalent information while leaving the URL as is?

I've never seen anyone (that I've noticed) use LONGDESC for anything. Does it have any effect in any browser? (Yes, yes, you could whip up a custom Javascript thing to pull out the LONGDESC value via the DOM and cook up some funky display for it, but...)
posted by rodii at 9:30 PM on October 30, 2001

I think joe clark does. he knows everything about accessibility.

I prefer that the URL not be obscured. how can you add a comment and leave the URL?
posted by rebeccablood at 9:39 PM on October 30, 2001

You could add the URL as part of the comment...
Like so.
But that seems sort of like a lot of effort...
posted by j.edwards at 9:45 PM on October 30, 2001

I guess I'm confused by how the URL gets obscured by the use of TITLE. On my browser TITLE just pops up a tooltip, and the status window is unaffected. Does TITLE really use the status bar in Opera? That seems kind of non-conforming.

...Just had a quick look at the W3C. I thought there were guidelines on the use of the status bar, but couldn't find any. Hmm. Ponder, ponder.
posted by rodii at 9:53 PM on October 30, 2001

re: Opera: I guess it's a feature, or something.

re: Joe Clark: Break This Page experiment fooled about with uses of longdesc. kinda wacky (in a wonkish way), but he does say this:

“No variant of Netscape 4 or Internet Explorer supports longdesc. Neither does Opera or Lynx.”

posted by epersonae at 10:23 PM on October 30, 2001

I wonder if you could do something with JavaScript & the title attribute together, to override the opera thing. lemme go flip thru some books/sites & see what I find....
posted by epersonae at 10:25 PM on October 30, 2001

this is a test.

looks good to me, but I don't have opera on this computer. rebecca?

of course, that's a totally dorky hack, that you probably wouldn't wanna do most of the time.
posted by epersonae at 10:31 PM on October 30, 2001

oh, here's what it looks like:

<a href="" title="this is a gratuitious self-link" onMouseOver="window.status='';" onMouseOut="window.status='';">this is a test.</a>
posted by epersonae at 10:33 PM on October 30, 2001

Side note: Here's an article from A List Apart from a few weeks back regarding a very elegant CSS method of adding content to a document using the title attribute in ABBR and ACRONYM tags, or in SPAN. Scroll most of the way down and look for "CSS Help".
posted by j.edwards at 10:51 PM on October 30, 2001

In Opera, I see nothing but the title tag, epersonae.
posted by fooljay at 11:42 PM on October 30, 2001

Opera is available with and without Java...?
posted by j.edwards at 1:37 AM on October 31, 2001

I don't see titles anywhere, and only see the URL in the status bar (IE6/W2K). But maybe it's just me, as I can't get toolbar tooltips to show either, unless I first click somewhere on the toolbar.
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