Christian Fundamentalism Post Should Stay January 30, 2007 8:30 AM Subscribe
I object to the knee-jerk deletion of posts about Christian fundamentalism. I think it's an interesting issue, and should have a place on the site.
I am, like, totally okay with that being, like, deleted.
posted by Captaintripps at 8:34 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Captaintripps at 8:34 AM on January 30, 2007
[I]t is the charge of educated people to remind the world that these people are fucking lunatics.
A thought that bears the odd rethink.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:36 AM on January 30, 2007
A thought that bears the odd rethink.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:36 AM on January 30, 2007
look for silly fundy videos on YouTube or stupid flickr evangelical pages, that'll never get deleted
posted by matteo at 8:39 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by matteo at 8:39 AM on January 30, 2007
Yes. It would be nice if we could have nice discussions on many issues that we can't seem to have nice discussions about. It seems like half the population of Metafilter sits and waits, poised to pounce on any hot-button issue that wanders into the feed.
But realize that if the post remained, it wouldn't go the way you think it ought to, and then you'd be here complaining about it not going the way you think it ought to.
It's really better this way.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:40 AM on January 30, 2007
But realize that if the post remained, it wouldn't go the way you think it ought to, and then you'd be here complaining about it not going the way you think it ought to.
It's really better this way.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:40 AM on January 30, 2007
Yes, some threads can get long and repetitive, but reading through to the end isn't actually compulsory. Is there a place for discussion of serious matters on Metafilter, or is it really just a fark-a-like?
I'm not expecting to change minds here, but I feel it's important to register my dissent.
posted by mr. strange at 8:41 AM on January 30, 2007
I'm not expecting to change minds here, but I feel it's important to register my dissent.
posted by mr. strange at 8:41 AM on January 30, 2007
Don't you think this title sets the tone for the post?
Jesus read from the red part of the bible
posted by Mister_A at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007
Jesus read from the red part of the bible
posted by Mister_A at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007
There is a place on Metafilter for serious discussion, but you need a time machine to get to it.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by Dave Faris at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
I understand the logic behind deleting the post, but I think a lot of the deletions are knee-jerk. What's wrong with letting willing thread participants hash it out? People are perfectly able to vote with their keyboards.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Benny Andajetz at 8:43 AM on January 30, 2007
There is a place on Metafilter for serious discussion, but you need a time machine to get to it. - Dave Faris
Oh bullshit Mr. 47,684.
posted by Mister_A at 8:45 AM on January 30, 2007
Oh bullshit Mr. 47,684.
posted by Mister_A at 8:45 AM on January 30, 2007
I think it's an interesting issue
You think what is an interesting issue? And it doesn't even matter- Metafilter is not for daily rematches on the site's favorite "issues"; it's for the best of the web. I think Matt and Jessamyn are wise to delete posts that are just going to be the same old people giving the same old snark.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:46 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
You think what is an interesting issue? And it doesn't even matter- Metafilter is not for daily rematches on the site's favorite "issues"; it's for the best of the web. I think Matt and Jessamyn are wise to delete posts that are just going to be the same old people giving the same old snark.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:46 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Mr. 47,684
You shouldn't judge a user by his number.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:49 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
You shouldn't judge a user by his number.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:49 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Is there a place for discussion of serious matters on Metafilter
First, this isn't a discussion site.
Second, what exactly was there to discuss seriously there? Honestly. What do you think was unique and new to those links that would warrant a serious discussion? Or is it the case that you think the "topic" of Christian fundamentalism in general is something that should be discussed? If that is the case, what new has occurred in the world of Christian fundamentalism that hasn't been discussed before? That is, what can be discussed that hasn't already? We can't keep having the same pointless discussion over and over, can we? (Should we?)
My guess is that there isn't anything new to discuss there. And the post is merely a pretext for people to regurgitate their already-been-expressed-plenty views about how weird and worthy of derision Christian fundamentalism is due to the particular views of some members of that group. There will be the typical positions advanced by people dug into their trenches. There will be hatred and mocking throw about. Nothing will come of it. Now I turn this question back to you: why should there be a place here for such discussions to occur? What is the benefit to the community?
posted by dios at 8:50 AM on January 30, 2007
First, this isn't a discussion site.
Second, what exactly was there to discuss seriously there? Honestly. What do you think was unique and new to those links that would warrant a serious discussion? Or is it the case that you think the "topic" of Christian fundamentalism in general is something that should be discussed? If that is the case, what new has occurred in the world of Christian fundamentalism that hasn't been discussed before? That is, what can be discussed that hasn't already? We can't keep having the same pointless discussion over and over, can we? (Should we?)
My guess is that there isn't anything new to discuss there. And the post is merely a pretext for people to regurgitate their already-been-expressed-plenty views about how weird and worthy of derision Christian fundamentalism is due to the particular views of some members of that group. There will be the typical positions advanced by people dug into their trenches. There will be hatred and mocking throw about. Nothing will come of it. Now I turn this question back to you: why should there be a place here for such discussions to occur? What is the benefit to the community?
posted by dios at 8:50 AM on January 30, 2007
Is there a place for discussion of serious matters on Metafilter, or is it really just a fark-a-like?
This is a false distinction. Post like this get flagged frequently, bring out axe-grindy behavior from a bunch of regulars, often wind up in MetaTalk, and rarely shed any new light on the broader topic of pervasive fundamentalism in the US or elsewhere. The threads aren't discussions, generally, they're pious sneerfests. It's not what the site is for and it brings out the worst of the site.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:50 AM on January 30, 2007
This is a false distinction. Post like this get flagged frequently, bring out axe-grindy behavior from a bunch of regulars, often wind up in MetaTalk, and rarely shed any new light on the broader topic of pervasive fundamentalism in the US or elsewhere. The threads aren't discussions, generally, they're pious sneerfests. It's not what the site is for and it brings out the worst of the site.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:50 AM on January 30, 2007
THIS IS ME NOT WEARING ANY PANTS AND NOT CARING ABOUT THAT POST.
No, seriously. That post sucked so much ass it was like an electrified ass-sucking machine.
I'm a huge fan of arguing and discussing and conversing on MeFi, but the quality of the links is first and foremost. Those links were scraped from some kind of weird, festering culture inoculated on a solid growth medium of geocities/tripod sucktitude.
posted by loquacious at 8:53 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
No, seriously. That post sucked so much ass it was like an electrified ass-sucking machine.
I'm a huge fan of arguing and discussing and conversing on MeFi, but the quality of the links is first and foremost. Those links were scraped from some kind of weird, festering culture inoculated on a solid growth medium of geocities/tripod sucktitude.
posted by loquacious at 8:53 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
You shouldn't judge a user by his number.
Dave Faris is right, Mister_A.
Do like I do and judge them by their hilariously theatrical wounded drama queen shticks. And by "judge", I mean "laugh at".
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:54 AM on January 30, 2007
Dave Faris is right, Mister_A.
Do like I do and judge them by their hilariously theatrical wounded drama queen shticks. And by "judge", I mean "laugh at".
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:54 AM on January 30, 2007
On non-preview, you beat me to it.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:55 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:55 AM on January 30, 2007
I object to the knee-jerk posting of MeTa posts about deleted MeFi posts.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 8:56 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by EndsOfInvention at 8:56 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Yeah, I rest my case.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:57 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 8:57 AM on January 30, 2007
Made me judge out loud. HOW MANY MORE JOKES MUST DIE BEFORE I LEARN TO PREVIEW??
posted by Mister_A at 8:57 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 8:57 AM on January 30, 2007
3
posted by Captaintripps at 8:59 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Captaintripps at 8:59 AM on January 30, 2007
I thought the post should be deleted.
There are a number of issues that bring out the worst in Metafilter, and that category is one of them.
I am sure that somewhere out there is a post about Christianity that would be considered worthy of Metafilter but I don't recall seeing one.
If I want to post about it or talk about it, I have a blog for the purpose. I highly recommend that as a solution.
posted by konolia at 9:03 AM on January 30, 2007
There are a number of issues that bring out the worst in Metafilter, and that category is one of them.
I am sure that somewhere out there is a post about Christianity that would be considered worthy of Metafilter but I don't recall seeing one.
If I want to post about it or talk about it, I have a blog for the purpose. I highly recommend that as a solution.
posted by konolia at 9:03 AM on January 30, 2007
I object to the knee-jerk deletion of ...stupid posts that are guaranteed to dredge up the same repellent back-and-forth that has disfigured every other posting of LOL XIANS crap. Object all you like, but please don't post your objections to MetaTalk. Send an e-mail to Matt, Jess, or your best friend, or better yet just go outside and walk in the sunshine until you forget your pain.
posted by languagehat at 9:03 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by languagehat at 9:03 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Is there a place for discussion of serious matters on Metafilter, or is it really just a fark-a-like?
That post was fark-a-like. It deserved deletion. I hear your argument with respect to the theoretical quality religion post that this wasn't, but this wasn't it.
And everything that jessamyn said. This is not, even in more moderate, not-shriekingly-bad cases, something invented out of the blue by an aggrieved atheist banhammerer.
posted by cortex at 9:09 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
That post was fark-a-like. It deserved deletion. I hear your argument with respect to the theoretical quality religion post that this wasn't, but this wasn't it.
And everything that jessamyn said. This is not, even in more moderate, not-shriekingly-bad cases, something invented out of the blue by an aggrieved atheist banhammerer.
posted by cortex at 9:09 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
I object to the knee-jerk MetaTalking of every deletion or non-deletion you disagree with. I think it's a selfish thing to do, and you should just get used to the fact that you're not Mattamyn.
posted by Plutor at 9:10 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Plutor at 9:10 AM on January 30, 2007
"look for silly fundy videos on YouTube or stupid flickr evangelical pages, that'll never get deleted"
or just wait until apple comes out with a jesus themed ipod.
posted by afu at 9:10 AM on January 30, 2007
or just wait until apple comes out with a jesus themed ipod.
posted by afu at 9:10 AM on January 30, 2007
3.....oh crap.
posted by Partial Law at 9:11 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Partial Law at 9:11 AM on January 30, 2007
I am sure that somewhere out there is a post about Christianity that would be considered worthy of Metafilter but I don't recall seeing one.
What you missed: some posts about Christianity that were considered worthy of Metafilter
posted by scottreynen at 9:13 AM on January 30, 2007
What you missed: some posts about Christianity that were considered worthy of Metafilter
posted by scottreynen at 9:13 AM on January 30, 2007
It is the charge of educated people to remind the world that these people are fucking lunatics.
And we do it so rarely.
(please at this point, I think I'd rather hear something positive about Christianity, simply for the variety. and the constant singling out just smacks way too much of bullying for my taste. being right is no excuse for being an asshole, or merely stupefyingly boring)
posted by jonmc at 9:16 AM on January 30, 2007
And we do it so rarely.
(please at this point, I think I'd rather hear something positive about Christianity, simply for the variety. and the constant singling out just smacks way too much of bullying for my taste. being right is no excuse for being an asshole, or merely stupefyingly boring)
posted by jonmc at 9:16 AM on January 30, 2007
"at this point, I think I'd rather hear something positive about Christianity"
It's not Scientology?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:25 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
It's not Scientology?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:25 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
And we do it so rarely.
Since many posts do this — about many subjects, not at all restricted to religion — it fails as a deletion criteria. As scottreynen notes, some religion posts remain and it seems worthwhile to look at them to see why.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:26 AM on January 30, 2007
Since many posts do this — about many subjects, not at all restricted to religion — it fails as a deletion criteria. As scottreynen notes, some religion posts remain and it seems worthwhile to look at them to see why.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:26 AM on January 30, 2007
a jesus themed ipod
The earlier model was the iYWH; the new model is the iNRI.
posted by yhbc at 9:26 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
The earlier model was the iYWH; the new model is the iNRI.
posted by yhbc at 9:26 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
Surely radical Christianity is the biggest real issue in the contemporary US?
That's where you are wrong mr. strange. It's probably somewhere in 300th place on the Things to Worry About So Much That You Post Them To MetaFilter Because They Are Important, Dammit list, between Undiscovered Nintendo Power Moves and Paris Hilton Has A New Album Out.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:27 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
That's where you are wrong mr. strange. It's probably somewhere in 300th place on the Things to Worry About So Much That You Post Them To MetaFilter Because They Are Important, Dammit list, between Undiscovered Nintendo Power Moves and Paris Hilton Has A New Album Out.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:27 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
Paris Hilton Has A New Album Out.
Well, there's a good reason to bring up Christianity right there. Maybe if we pray hard enough, Jesus will smite it.
posted by jonmc at 9:31 AM on January 30, 2007
Well, there's a good reason to bring up Christianity right there. Maybe if we pray hard enough, Jesus will smite it.
posted by jonmc at 9:31 AM on January 30, 2007
Hmmph. I object to the fact that only two of us are permitted to edit and repost their snarky comments on the fly.
posted by yhbc at 9:31 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by yhbc at 9:31 AM on January 30, 2007
Here is the level select code for TMNT II: The Arcade Game on the NES, which I eventually did not need because I became good enough to beat the game on one life: Up, Right Right, Down Down Down, Left Left Left Left, B A B A Start.
But that's not really undiscovered. Perhaps forgotten.
posted by Kwine at 9:36 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
But that's not really undiscovered. Perhaps forgotten.
posted by Kwine at 9:36 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Think about the knees, people!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:38 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:38 AM on January 30, 2007
Paris Hilton Has A New Album Out.
She does not! That was months ago! Don't you people follow the rags? Geesh.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:49 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
She does not! That was months ago! Don't you people follow the rags? Geesh.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:49 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long.
posted by hoverboards don't work on water at 9:54 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by hoverboards don't work on water at 9:54 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
Paris Hilton Has A New Undiscovered Nintendo Power Move Out. Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Down Swallow
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:55 AM on January 30, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:55 AM on January 30, 2007 [3 favorites]
Way to crunch those numbers, knave.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:55 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:55 AM on January 30, 2007
With so many LOLXIAN posts I've been working on a scorecard for use with them.
1000 word anti-Christian screed by atheist? Check.
Christian saying "we're not all like them?" Check.
Atheist saying "Oh yes you are?" Check.
Athiest saying "At this point, I'm rooting for the Christians?" Check.
Christian puts foot so far it mouth it comes out ass? Check.
DawkinsFilter? Check.
Interesting and informative links referring to religion that are Best Of The Web? That box doesn't get checked that often.
I've had my flameout over this crap. It's just meta-noise, meta-derail from what is a great site wiht great discussions the rest of the time.
posted by dw at 10:00 AM on January 30, 2007
1000 word anti-Christian screed by atheist? Check.
Christian saying "we're not all like them?" Check.
Atheist saying "Oh yes you are?" Check.
Athiest saying "At this point, I'm rooting for the Christians?" Check.
Christian puts foot so far it mouth it comes out ass? Check.
DawkinsFilter? Check.
Interesting and informative links referring to religion that are Best Of The Web? That box doesn't get checked that often.
I've had my flameout over this crap. It's just meta-noise, meta-derail from what is a great site wiht great discussions the rest of the time.
posted by dw at 10:00 AM on January 30, 2007
Ooo, I see the beginnings of a Christian thread drinking game!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 10:02 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 10:02 AM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
mathowie You make up a quote, and then use it to dismiss my opinion? How adult.
My intention was to let you know my opinion, and leave it at that. If lots of other people agree, then maybe you will change your policy. If not, then I'm content to remain a voice in the wilderness. I have no wish to get involved in a great meta-discussion, but I'm not going to let you put words into my mouth.
I said "Christian fundamentalism [is] an interesting issue", not "the biggest real issue in the contemporary US". Nobody said that, except you.
posted by mr. strange at 10:03 AM on January 30, 2007
My intention was to let you know my opinion, and leave it at that. If lots of other people agree, then maybe you will change your policy. If not, then I'm content to remain a voice in the wilderness. I have no wish to get involved in a great meta-discussion, but I'm not going to let you put words into my mouth.
I said "Christian fundamentalism [is] an interesting issue", not "the biggest real issue in the contemporary US". Nobody said that, except you.
posted by mr. strange at 10:03 AM on January 30, 2007
Ooo, I see the beginnings of a Christian thread drinking game!
Clearly, I haven't been drinking enough, because you're right.
Give me a minute, I'll write up the rules.
posted by dw at 10:05 AM on January 30, 2007
Clearly, I haven't been drinking enough, because you're right.
Give me a minute, I'll write up the rules.
posted by dw at 10:05 AM on January 30, 2007
Surely radical Christianity is the biggest real issue in the contemporary US? From my outsider's perspective it seems to be the driver behind the US's unique approach to those other two issues of the day: global warming and our response to radical Islam.
posted by mr. strange at 4:07 AM EST on January 30 [+][!]
posted by yhbc at 10:07 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by mr. strange at 4:07 AM EST on January 30 [+][!]
posted by yhbc at 10:07 AM on January 30, 2007
mr. strange: "I said "Christian fundamentalism [is]... the biggest real issue in the contemporary US"."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:11 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:11 AM on January 30, 2007
Christian fundamentalism is no longer an interesting issue.
Nauseating? Yes. Certainly not interesting. They have forums, you know. Message boards where they would love to 'discuss' the merits of their various positions with you. I'd encourage you to direct your razor sharp forum-fighting powers elsewhere.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:12 AM on January 30, 2007
Nauseating? Yes. Certainly not interesting. They have forums, you know. Message boards where they would love to 'discuss' the merits of their various positions with you. I'd encourage you to direct your razor sharp forum-fighting powers elsewhere.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:12 AM on January 30, 2007
dw, I support your drinking-game initiative and I would also appreciate it if you would codify a set of rules and easy-to-spot symbols so those of us following along at home can participate.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:13 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:13 AM on January 30, 2007
Surely radical Christianity is the biggest real issue in the contemporary US?--posted by mr. strange
mr. strange writes "I said 'Christian fundamentalism [is] an interesting issue', not 'the biggest real issue in the contemporary US'. Nobody said that, except you."
If you didn't want a "meta-discussion" you should not have started a meta-thread.
posted by OmieWise at 10:15 AM on January 30, 2007
mr. strange writes "I said 'Christian fundamentalism [is] an interesting issue', not 'the biggest real issue in the contemporary US'. Nobody said that, except you."
If you didn't want a "meta-discussion" you should not have started a meta-thread.
posted by OmieWise at 10:15 AM on January 30, 2007
First of all, Christian fundamentalism is not an issue at all, outside of the argument against it. So, that's a non-starter, right out the gate. Second of all, it has a place on this site. Unfortunately for you, that place is LoFi.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:15 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:15 AM on January 30, 2007
"Ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long."
I was so surprised to find out that all of the quotes in the Red Line/White Line remix were from Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood. So we're back to fundamentalist Christianity, then.
posted by klangklangston at 10:16 AM on January 30, 2007
I was so surprised to find out that all of the quotes in the Red Line/White Line remix were from Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood. So we're back to fundamentalist Christianity, then.
posted by klangklangston at 10:16 AM on January 30, 2007
My intention was to let you know my opinion, and leave it at that. If lots of other people agree, then maybe you will change your policy. If not, then I'm content to remain a voice in the wilderness. I have no wish to get involved in a great meta-discussion, but I'm not going to let you put words into my mouth.
If your intention is to let Matt know your opinion, send him an email. It's unlikely that lots of other people will agree this time around, because we've trod this ground many times before and the prevailing (though certainly heterogeneous and non-unanimous) take has been that poorly-composed religous-baiting posts are a bad idea.
If you want to zing Matt for not conducting himself maturely, you should avoid making blinkered assertions of kneejerkism for all of Metatalk to see.
posted by cortex at 10:17 AM on January 30, 2007
If your intention is to let Matt know your opinion, send him an email. It's unlikely that lots of other people will agree this time around, because we've trod this ground many times before and the prevailing (though certainly heterogeneous and non-unanimous) take has been that poorly-composed religous-baiting posts are a bad idea.
If you want to zing Matt for not conducting himself maturely, you should avoid making blinkered assertions of kneejerkism for all of Metatalk to see.
posted by cortex at 10:17 AM on January 30, 2007
Also, points for cabal, Mr. Strange. Set me all a-twitter.
posted by klangklangston at 10:17 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by klangklangston at 10:17 AM on January 30, 2007
Reading mr. strange's comment in that thread (thanks OmieWise) got me thinking - who is in the cabal? Am I in it? Would someone let me know if I was? Or is it so secret that I can't even know whether or not I am in it? Where are the meetings? Are there hot chick? And so forth.
posted by Mister_A at 10:19 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 10:19 AM on January 30, 2007
The important lesson, Mr. Strange, is that Christianity and Metafilter go together like beards and bubblegum.
posted by klangklangston at 10:24 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by klangklangston at 10:24 AM on January 30, 2007
Congratulations, Mister_A! The next cabal meeting is this Friday night, starting at midnight, at 53rd and 3rd. There'll be a big guy standing on the corner. Tell him "Dee Dee sent me" and he'll tell you where to go from there.
posted by yhbc at 10:25 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by yhbc at 10:25 AM on January 30, 2007
Point being that - on the third day? Your FPP will still be in the tomb.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:26 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:26 AM on January 30, 2007
Are there hot chick?
how do I shot web
Did you put on your ROBE and WIZARD HAT?
posted by loquacious at 10:31 AM on January 30, 2007
how do I shot web
Did you put on your ROBE and WIZARD HAT?
posted by loquacious at 10:31 AM on January 30, 2007
Just to be fair, Matt (or Jessamyn) has no problem about janitoring anti-xtian posts (ref: me being an internet dickass here). So, to some degree it's about novelty as well as quality. But it's not about persecution or marginalization as you would have us believe.
posted by boo_radley at 10:36 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by boo_radley at 10:36 AM on January 30, 2007
This is taking me longer than I thought. So here's the preamble. The rest will follow later:
First off, the subject matter of the thread affects the kind of alcohol you drink.
Is it LOLCATHOLICS? Drink port or sherry. (Red wine is OK, too.)
Is it LOLORTHODOX? Drink the national drink of the country with which the church is associated, e.g. vodka for Russian, ouzo for Greek, etc. If unknown, see LOLCATHOLICS.
Is it LOLPROTESTANTS? This we must break down further.
Methodists: Red wine
Episcopalians: Gin and tonic
Lutherans: Red wine for ELCA, Miller for WELS, Bud for LCMS
Presbyterians: White wine for all denominations except PCA, which requires single-malt
Baptists: Bourbon (and you must sneak it into your house and drink it from a paper bag)
Non-denominationals: Microbrews
Church of Christ: Manhattans or cosmopolitans
Unitarian Universalists: Anything you want
Pentecostals and Charismatics: You can either assume their lively spirits require carbonated beverages (champagne, 7 and 7) or that they are drunk in the spirit and never touch a drop, in which case go for water intoxication
Is it LOLJEWS? Find something kosher.
Is it LOLMUSLIMS? Seek shelter immediately.
posted by dw at 10:37 AM on January 30, 2007 [5 favorites]
First off, the subject matter of the thread affects the kind of alcohol you drink.
Is it LOLCATHOLICS? Drink port or sherry. (Red wine is OK, too.)
Is it LOLORTHODOX? Drink the national drink of the country with which the church is associated, e.g. vodka for Russian, ouzo for Greek, etc. If unknown, see LOLCATHOLICS.
Is it LOLPROTESTANTS? This we must break down further.
Methodists: Red wine
Episcopalians: Gin and tonic
Lutherans: Red wine for ELCA, Miller for WELS, Bud for LCMS
Presbyterians: White wine for all denominations except PCA, which requires single-malt
Baptists: Bourbon (and you must sneak it into your house and drink it from a paper bag)
Non-denominationals: Microbrews
Church of Christ: Manhattans or cosmopolitans
Unitarian Universalists: Anything you want
Pentecostals and Charismatics: You can either assume their lively spirits require carbonated beverages (champagne, 7 and 7) or that they are drunk in the spirit and never touch a drop, in which case go for water intoxication
Is it LOLJEWS? Find something kosher.
Is it LOLMUSLIMS? Seek shelter immediately.
posted by dw at 10:37 AM on January 30, 2007 [5 favorites]
Is it LOLCATHOLICS? Drink port or sherry. (Red wine is OK, too.)
Unless it's LOLIRISHCATHOLICS, in which case it's Guinness.
posted by jonmc at 10:43 AM on January 30, 2007
Non-denominational evangelical? Mix all of the above together in a jug.
Atheist? Grappa. Why grappa? Well, that's left as an excercise for the reader.
posted by boo_radley at 10:44 AM on January 30, 2007
Atheist? Grappa. Why grappa? Well, that's left as an excercise for the reader.
posted by boo_radley at 10:44 AM on January 30, 2007
If it's LOLHUGUENOTS can we drink Armagnac? There must be Armagnac.
posted by Mister_A at 10:47 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 10:47 AM on January 30, 2007
I'm a Trappist Atheist. I don't believe in LOL.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:48 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:48 AM on January 30, 2007
Unless it's LOLIRISHCATHOLICS, in which case it's Guinness.
Yeah, left out the Irish exception. And the German Lutheran exception for Bavarian beer.
Still can't figure out what LOLMENNONITES would require.
posted by dw at 10:52 AM on January 30, 2007
Yeah, left out the Irish exception. And the German Lutheran exception for Bavarian beer.
Still can't figure out what LOLMENNONITES would require.
posted by dw at 10:52 AM on January 30, 2007
Holy blessed mother of crap, like religion doesn't already give me a wicked hangover!
posted by loquacious at 10:54 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by loquacious at 10:54 AM on January 30, 2007
Is it LOLJEWS? Find something kosher.
Manischewitz, natch—or Maddog 20/20 Grape, in a pinch. Their respective flavors are nearly indistinguishable.
LOLSCIENTOLOGISTS? Enturbrew Light.
posted by cortex at 10:55 AM on January 30, 2007
Manischewitz, natch—or Maddog 20/20 Grape, in a pinch. Their respective flavors are nearly indistinguishable.
LOLSCIENTOLOGISTS? Enturbrew Light.
posted by cortex at 10:55 AM on January 30, 2007
Atheist? Grappa. Why grappa? Well, that's left as an excercise for the reader.
Actually grappa is for LOLITALIANCATHOLICS. sorry, here's a copy of our home game.
(seriously, I'll never forget the first time I did a shot of grappa with my octogenarian nonno. when I downed my shooter without flinching, he proudly whammed his palm against the tabletop and said "YOU ARE A MAN!")
posted by jonmc at 10:56 AM on January 30, 2007
Actually grappa is for LOLITALIANCATHOLICS. sorry, here's a copy of our home game.
(seriously, I'll never forget the first time I did a shot of grappa with my octogenarian nonno. when I downed my shooter without flinching, he proudly whammed his palm against the tabletop and said "YOU ARE A MAN!")
posted by jonmc at 10:56 AM on January 30, 2007
What about the UCC? Can we get Jagerbombs? Since we're hip?
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:59 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Baby_Balrog at 10:59 AM on January 30, 2007
Still can't figure out what LOLMENNONITES would require.
Guiness, rum and coke - anything black.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 10:59 AM on January 30, 2007
Guiness, rum and coke - anything black.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 10:59 AM on January 30, 2007
Still can't figure out what LOLMENNONITES would require.
Guiness, rum and coke - anything black
served in a plain glass, no ice.
posted by jonmc at 11:05 AM on January 30, 2007
Guiness, rum and coke - anything black
served in a plain glass, no ice.
posted by jonmc at 11:05 AM on January 30, 2007
LOLITALIANCATHOLICS
Are they pretty little jailbait Catholics?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 11:15 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
Are they pretty little jailbait Catholics?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 11:15 AM on January 30, 2007 [2 favorites]
Unless it's LOLIRISHCATHOLICS, in which case it's Guinness.
Nah. Jameson. If you're Irish Protestant, Bushmills.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:15 AM on January 30, 2007
Nah. Jameson. If you're Irish Protestant, Bushmills.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:15 AM on January 30, 2007
What about the LOLMORMONS?
surely, there could be a separate game devoted entirely to them?
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:40 AM on January 30, 2007
surely, there could be a separate game devoted entirely to them?
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:40 AM on January 30, 2007
What about the LOLMORMONS?
According to my sister, who lived among them for a few years in Kirksville, MO: Kool-Aid.
(aside: I like Kool-Aid just fine, but the other day I saw a commercial for it on TV and the Kool-Aid man was wearing pants. Apparently in a post-wardrobe-malfunction world we can't even see naked glassware anymore.)
posted by jonmc at 11:43 AM on January 30, 2007
According to my sister, who lived among them for a few years in Kirksville, MO: Kool-Aid.
(aside: I like Kool-Aid just fine, but the other day I saw a commercial for it on TV and the Kool-Aid man was wearing pants. Apparently in a post-wardrobe-malfunction world we can't even see naked glassware anymore.)
posted by jonmc at 11:43 AM on January 30, 2007
I'd like to suggest Bacardi Silver.
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:44 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:44 AM on January 30, 2007
It's like nasty Kool-Aid for grownups.
(aside: Does the Kool-Aid man have any genetalia to cover? Could he mate if he found a giant female juice pitcher?)
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:47 AM on January 30, 2007
(aside: Does the Kool-Aid man have any genetalia to cover? Could he mate if he found a giant female juice pitcher?)
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:47 AM on January 30, 2007
"If not, then I'm content to remain a voice in the wilderness."
Points for the subtle John the Baptist reference though.
posted by blue_beetle at 11:51 AM on January 30, 2007
Points for the subtle John the Baptist reference though.
posted by blue_beetle at 11:51 AM on January 30, 2007
I actually had a big bottle of Bacardi Silver Peach for lunch today.
Does the Kool-Aid man have any genetalia to cover?
A big glass cock, maybe? (when I was a PC salesman, I had a customer named (no joke) 'Glasscock." Homeboy's childhood must've been hell.)
posted by jonmc at 11:53 AM on January 30, 2007
Does the Kool-Aid man have any genetalia to cover?
A big glass cock, maybe? (when I was a PC salesman, I had a customer named (no joke) 'Glasscock." Homeboy's childhood must've been hell.)
posted by jonmc at 11:53 AM on January 30, 2007
It comes in Peach now? I didn't have that option when I was in school... Only the original flavor, which is gross, but I drank it anyway.
Man, heritage be damned, some people should just change their last names before they pass it on to their children. won't someone please think of the children?
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:58 AM on January 30, 2007
Man, heritage be damned, some people should just change their last names before they pass it on to their children. won't someone please think of the children?
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 11:58 AM on January 30, 2007
sorry my post was not up to par, I'll make sure to do better next time
posted by Hands of Manos at 11:58 AM on January 30, 2007
posted by Hands of Manos at 11:58 AM on January 30, 2007
My real name is Holden Glasscock; what's so funny about that?
posted by Mister_A at 12:05 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 12:05 PM on January 30, 2007
I object to the knee-jerk deletion of posts about Christian fundamentalism. At the same time, I heartily approve of the deletion of knee-jerk posts about Christian fundamentalism. Guess which one this was.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:10 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:10 PM on January 30, 2007
mr. strange: "I think it's an interesting issue, and should have a place on the site."
If you thought that anything in that post even remotely resembled anything representative of what american christians think nowadays, you have absolutely no place discussing 'interesting issues.'
posted by koeselitz at 12:41 PM on January 30, 2007
If you thought that anything in that post even remotely resembled anything representative of what american christians think nowadays, you have absolutely no place discussing 'interesting issues.'
posted by koeselitz at 12:41 PM on January 30, 2007
My real name is Holden Glasscock; what's so funny about that?
You left out your middle initial ("A", of course). THAT'S MURDER NUMBER THREE.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 1:12 PM on January 30, 2007
You left out your middle initial ("A", of course). THAT'S MURDER NUMBER THREE.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 1:12 PM on January 30, 2007
i missed that one entirely, and i'm even mentioned in it--weird. It shouldn't have been deleted (and that reason assumes way way too much that is not stated in the actual post itself, and is very assholish).
posted by amberglow at 1:40 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by amberglow at 1:40 PM on January 30, 2007
I remember reading about a small-town paper that was running a story about a prominent local couple's honeymoon; the hed was COCKBURNS OFF ON WEDDING TRIP.
...Except they added a space between the K and the B.
What were we talking about, now?
posted by languagehat at 1:41 PM on January 30, 2007
...Except they added a space between the K and the B.
What were we talking about, now?
posted by languagehat at 1:41 PM on January 30, 2007
My pee pee tastes like burning.
posted by loquacious at 1:52 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by loquacious at 1:52 PM on January 30, 2007
This post sucked.
It was, intentionally, a "shittiest of the web" post, with nothing particularly unique, interesting, or newsworthy about it.
It'd be like a Christian posting a few links to some asshole high-schoolers' stupid atheism blogs.
Christian fundamentalism is worth discussing, but it will require a non-shitty post.
posted by ibmcginty at 1:55 PM on January 30, 2007
It was, intentionally, a "shittiest of the web" post, with nothing particularly unique, interesting, or newsworthy about it.
It'd be like a Christian posting a few links to some asshole high-schoolers' stupid atheism blogs.
Christian fundamentalism is worth discussing, but it will require a non-shitty post.
posted by ibmcginty at 1:55 PM on January 30, 2007
amberglow, on what merits should that post not have been deleted?
posted by cortex at 2:06 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by cortex at 2:06 PM on January 30, 2007
I was so surprised to find out that all of the quotes in the Red Line/White Line remix were from Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood. So we're back to fundamentalist Christianity, then.
This doesn't necessarily contradict your comment, klang, but Flannery O'Connor was one of the very greatest Catholic intellectuals America has ever produced. Her letters, collected under the title The Habit of Being, are consistently so astonishingly brilliant and deep I'd read them over and over again all the time, except that they are so tragic they overwhelm me save in small, widely spaced doses.
posted by jamjam at 2:07 PM on January 30, 2007
This doesn't necessarily contradict your comment, klang, but Flannery O'Connor was one of the very greatest Catholic intellectuals America has ever produced. Her letters, collected under the title The Habit of Being, are consistently so astonishingly brilliant and deep I'd read them over and over again all the time, except that they are so tragic they overwhelm me save in small, widely spaced doses.
posted by jamjam at 2:07 PM on January 30, 2007
amberglow, on what merits should that post not have been deleted?
It's interesting, it's on the web, and most people have not seen such a collection of tightly-focused personal blogs on the subject before, nor have they ever read them.
Many have said here that those of us who post things that put Christians in a bad light don't know enough about them and are always assuming things--well, the links in that post alone would have remedied that. It was valuable and should have stayed, because Christianity and its effects is a big topic here and those people who post about their faith should be read--it adds to our knowledgebase, and it brings their voices in.
posted by amberglow at 2:51 PM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
It's interesting, it's on the web, and most people have not seen such a collection of tightly-focused personal blogs on the subject before, nor have they ever read them.
Many have said here that those of us who post things that put Christians in a bad light don't know enough about them and are always assuming things--well, the links in that post alone would have remedied that. It was valuable and should have stayed, because Christianity and its effects is a big topic here and those people who post about their faith should be read--it adds to our knowledgebase, and it brings their voices in.
posted by amberglow at 2:51 PM on January 30, 2007 [1 favorite]
And correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought much of the post's tone was actually because of the quotes from the blogs, and not from the poster himself--Including the "Jesus reading from the red lines..." thing.
posted by amberglow at 2:53 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by amberglow at 2:53 PM on January 30, 2007
Doesn't contradict it at all, jamjam. It takes a strained mind to see Wise Blood as featuring a Catholic protagonist.
posted by klangklangston at 3:11 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by klangklangston at 3:11 PM on January 30, 2007
That's priceless 'hat.
no, priceless is you mocking one of mefi's oldest members about his new user number.
posted by quonsar at 3:24 PM on January 30, 2007
no, priceless is you mocking one of mefi's oldest members about his new user number.
posted by quonsar at 3:24 PM on January 30, 2007
Kool-Aid isn't for LOLMORMONS, it's for LOLPEOPLESTEMPLE.
posted by breezeway at 3:27 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by breezeway at 3:27 PM on January 30, 2007
Unitarian Universalists: Anything you want
...so long as you brought enough for the potluck. And a bottle for the food bank.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:34 PM on January 30, 2007
...so long as you brought enough for the potluck. And a bottle for the food bank.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:34 PM on January 30, 2007
Doesn't contradict it at all, jamjam. It takes a strained mind to see Wise Blood as featuring a Catholic protagonist.
True, but it's through the lens of a Southern Catholic. I wouldn't call that fundamentalism.
posted by dw at 3:39 PM on January 30, 2007
True, but it's through the lens of a Southern Catholic. I wouldn't call that fundamentalism.
posted by dw at 3:39 PM on January 30, 2007
"no, priceless is you mocking one of mefi's oldest members about his new user number."
Do we have any evidence of this? Have I somehow missed some drama or other?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:43 PM on January 30, 2007
Do we have any evidence of this? Have I somehow missed some drama or other?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:43 PM on January 30, 2007
Thanks! Don't know how I missed that one.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:59 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:59 PM on January 30, 2007
no, priceless is you mocking one of mefi's oldest members about his new user number. -Quonsar
Both things can be priceless. I didn't get the Crunchland = Dave Faris memo; sorry! Still a silly comment though.
posted by Mister_A at 4:04 PM on January 30, 2007
Both things can be priceless. I didn't get the Crunchland = Dave Faris memo; sorry! Still a silly comment though.
posted by Mister_A at 4:04 PM on January 30, 2007
I think something like the Catholic analysis of Jefferson would've made a better FPP if we must discuss religion.
I stand by my assertion that religions are the botnets of meatspace.
posted by mullingitover at 4:05 PM on January 30, 2007
I stand by my assertion that religions are the botnets of meatspace.
posted by mullingitover at 4:05 PM on January 30, 2007
Now see, I liked crunchland, and I liked Dave Faris without even knowing they were the same guy. I think that reflects well on him.
It's just too bad he won't be able to update his list of sockpuppets on the old user page, if in fact Matt randomized the password so that crunch - er, Dave - can't log in under the old name any more.
posted by yhbc at 4:28 PM on January 30, 2007
It's just too bad he won't be able to update his list of sockpuppets on the old user page, if in fact Matt randomized the password so that crunch - er, Dave - can't log in under the old name any more.
posted by yhbc at 4:28 PM on January 30, 2007
I didn't get the Crunchland = Dave Faris memo; sorry!
Huh. Until that moment I assumed the "user number" comment was a joke. Just goes to show.
posted by languagehat at 4:54 PM on January 30, 2007
Huh. Until that moment I assumed the "user number" comment was a joke. Just goes to show.
posted by languagehat at 4:54 PM on January 30, 2007
Doesn't contradict it at all, jamjam. It takes a strained mind to see Wise Blood as featuring a Catholic protagonist.
I intended absolutely no slight to you, klang-- I was trying for a light teasing tone and to point (Irish Setter-like) to work and an author I venerate.
posted by jamjam at 5:11 PM on January 30, 2007
I intended absolutely no slight to you, klang-- I was trying for a light teasing tone and to point (Irish Setter-like) to work and an author I venerate.
posted by jamjam at 5:11 PM on January 30, 2007
I'll wager tuppence on the skinner; he's a likely one, that!
posted by breezeway at 7:04 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by breezeway at 7:04 PM on January 30, 2007
Jamjam— No problem.
As to Crunchland Faris— Well, I always used to get Crunchland and Cribcage confused, so maybe this'll help. (All the iterations of my real name and modest length were somehow fouled up by me during the sign up process, otherwise I'd go by an abbreviated form of my name too...)
posted by klangklangston at 7:05 PM on January 30, 2007
As to Crunchland Faris— Well, I always used to get Crunchland and Cribcage confused, so maybe this'll help. (All the iterations of my real name and modest length were somehow fouled up by me during the sign up process, otherwise I'd go by an abbreviated form of my name too...)
posted by klangklangston at 7:05 PM on January 30, 2007
Mefites don't need no religion!
posted by IndigoRain at 7:19 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by IndigoRain at 7:19 PM on January 30, 2007
*Hits The Deej in the back of the head with a brick*
No, no it isn't.
Now we pull de pants down an hide de spice bottle.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:27 PM on January 30, 2007
No, no it isn't.
Now we pull de pants down an hide de spice bottle.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:27 PM on January 30, 2007
*Hits The Deej in the back of the head with a brick*
OK I have a weird stream of conciousness. The concept of getting hit in the back of the head immediately reminded me of this.
posted by The Deej at 9:26 PM on January 30, 2007
OK I have a weird stream of conciousness. The concept of getting hit in the back of the head immediately reminded me of this.
posted by The Deej at 9:26 PM on January 30, 2007
So, wait. I've been practicing the Dave Faris method for how many months now? WHAT THE FUCK!?
posted by loquacious at 11:19 PM on January 30, 2007
posted by loquacious at 11:19 PM on January 30, 2007
Mr. Strange: Thank you for this thread. While your decisions to post shite to MeFi and then whinge about its deletion in MeTa do not reflect favourably upon you, there is this: it provided a mighty fine lightening rod for our community's shared seething hatred for stupidity, snowflakes, and posers. And thus, you have singlehandedly prevented all this rage from spilling into real threads.
Here's your silver star: *. Go post it on your chart!
posted by five fresh fish at 11:25 PM on January 30, 2007
Here's your silver star: *. Go post it on your chart!
posted by five fresh fish at 11:25 PM on January 30, 2007
While your decisions to post shite to MeFi and then whinge about its deletion
Well, to be fair, it was actually Hands of Manos who posted the shite; mr. strange merely whinged about its deletion. (Unless you're making an implied claim of sockpuppetry.) Still, they both deserve the spice-bottle treatment.
posted by languagehat at 6:23 AM on January 31, 2007
Well, to be fair, it was actually Hands of Manos who posted the shite; mr. strange merely whinged about its deletion. (Unless you're making an implied claim of sockpuppetry.) Still, they both deserve the spice-bottle treatment.
posted by languagehat at 6:23 AM on January 31, 2007
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Want me to direct you to some sites that will have that information there for you to peruse and contemplate?
posted by dios at 8:32 AM on January 30, 2007