Loves music, loves to dance; real a-hole on AskMe though. December 5, 2007 8:35 PM   Subscribe

Feature request: I wish there was a way for us to store notes about users.

There seem to be changes afoot that are more social-networking, less The-Good-Old-Days. So, long as there's a trend, it can't hurt to ask, right?

With 62,000 users, it's really effing hard to keep track of people. I don't need to keep track of all of them, of course -- but it would be nice to be able to record short notes about other MeFites as I interact with them. Yes, you can look through a user's posting history to get an idea of who they are, but that's not always going to relate details like, "knows a lot about New Zealand" or "admitted LGF regular" or "had the Lasik surgery, doesn't recommend" or "loves to hear self talk, just IGNORE." (Obviously, these notes would need to be private, lest they become some passive-aggressive playground weapon.)

Ideally, if I could mouse over a user's name anywhere and a little window would pop up like a link title (if I had populated that field), that would be phenomenal. If it was a short field I could view on their user profile, that'd be fine too. I wouldn't mind if the person had to be a contact first... although it'd be a lot cooler if they didn't. I don't know what this would entail, from an added code/labor perspective, but I'd absolutely pay for the privilege.

This isn't about marking content to return to... it's about marking users in a way that customizes my experience. I find myself forgetting tidbits of information that would be helpful when interacting with others on the site, because I simply have no way to store that data.
posted by pineapple to Feature Requests at 8:35 PM (112 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite

Call jonson. The man was way ahead of the curve on this one.
posted by yhbc at 8:45 PM on December 5, 2007 [2 favorites]


"loves to hear self talk, just IGNORE."

Yes. YES. We need this. Yes.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:47 PM on December 5, 2007 [5 favorites]


No, just kidding, I don't really want it. I prefer to let my grudges come and go. I don't want a system that would help me keep them forever.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:50 PM on December 5, 2007 [4 favorites]


Couldn't you use a notepad...? Like a real one. Or maybe the computer application. It seems like that'd be easier than making the admins muck around with some code.

I prefer to let my grudges come and go.

My sentiments exactly. My memory is so terrible that it's pretty much impossible for me to remember who has irked me in whatever fashion at some point in time, and I prefer it that way. Ignorance is bliss and all that.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 8:55 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


I usually read what's written, then notice the author after the fact. I'd be afraid of too much 'well I'm just going to blast past anything "X" says from now on'. I can see where it might be useful, but I can also see where it's only a few small steps to being able to 'ignore' certain users, completely missing any input they might have...
posted by pupdog at 9:01 PM on December 5, 2007


TPS said: I prefer to let my grudges come and go. I don't want a system that would help me keep them forever.

I totally agree. It's kind of creepy to think that someone might keep a file on me if I said one or two things that they hated. Although, feel free to keep a file on me that includes all the things you love!

In an seriousness, though, I have often felt grudge-like feelings toward someone based on a few posts, but later grew to admire them. None of us are a "one-trick pony." (well, okay, some are, but they are few and far between)
posted by amyms at 9:04 PM on December 5, 2007


I like not remembering. It means in each new thread I take a member's comments on its own merits, unaffected by conscious (or unconscious) conceptions I have of their character.
posted by schroedinger at 9:04 PM on December 5, 2007 [3 favorites]


an = all
posted by amyms at 9:05 PM on December 5, 2007


pineapple makes bizarre pony requests.
posted by dhammond at 9:10 PM on December 5, 2007


This is an awesome idea.
posted by ColdChef at 9:21 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


I would like to formally request a feature in which everyone's notes are accidentally exposed for 24 hours six months after this feature is implemented.
posted by b1tr0t at 9:24 PM on December 5, 2007 [13 favorites]


There are a few people I really intensely dislike, and a much larger number of people I feel to be excellent. I suspect that the ability to add notes would make the first group increase dramatically.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 9:24 PM on December 5, 2007


I know it's trite but this in the domain of a greasemonkey script. It could store the notes in a cookie locally.
posted by Rhomboid at 9:26 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Also it should be noted that there aren't really 62,000 members, there are 62,000 sign-up attempts. Some of those people failed to complete the sign-up process; others managed to sign up completely but probably shouldn't have, and I have listed the usernames of these people in a file on my hard drive called "Go to hell MeFi shit list.txt". I'll sell the list to you for $10, unless you're in it, in which case it'll be $20, you blowhard.
posted by tepidmonkey at 9:27 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Go to hell MeFi shit list SNEAK PREVIEW:

• tepidmonkey

posted by tepidmonkey at 9:28 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Although, feel free to keep a file on me that includes all the things you love!

This is actually the point. Some of you are focusing exclusively on the possible grudge application, which for me would really not be the main attraction of this. "Is a psychologist... was in the military... also a stepparent... has good recipes... used to live in Spain... doesn't believe in free will... OtherUser's girlfriend... gives good advice in the Mac threads... new name of FormerUser... also travels to Boston a lot..." etc.

What a person does for a living, their hobbies, their personal situations which regularly influence their posting, the areas where they seem to excel in AskMe... those are all details which are already available for our consumption and which we all aggregate anyway. I'm just looking for an easier way to do it, as a user whose schedule forces me to visit the site only in spurts and doesn't have the daily ability to constantly refresh whatever I know about this or that poster.
posted by pineapple at 9:31 PM on December 5, 2007


I agree with TPS comment #1, not TPS PodPerson. I would use this for many non-grudge purposes though. Like "posted helpful answer about fallen souffle, take food advice from this user."

If adding this feature is too much, I beg that this be turned into a Greasemonkey script stat. STAT! I will paint a picture for whoever makes this happen.
posted by SassHat at 9:37 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Second feature request: In the upper right corner of each metafilter page, I'd like to see a current wordcount of all the notes people have written about me.
posted by b1tr0t at 9:37 PM on December 5, 2007


"Is a psychologist... was in the military... also a stepparent... has good recipes... used to live in Spain... doesn't believe in free will... OtherUser's girlfriend... gives good advice in the Mac threads... new name of FormerUser... also travels to Boston a lot..." etc.

Love this idea.
posted by rtha at 9:43 PM on December 5, 2007


Ideally, if I could mouse over a user's name anywhere and a little window would pop up like a link title (if I had populated that field), that would be phenomenal.

When I read that, I thought of this thread, in which Matt said that a database query for a link title wouldn't be worthwhile. And then I couldn't believe I remembered that. But there it is.

Starting tomorrow: more work, less MetaTalk.

In my defense, I think about database queries at work. It was RESEARCH.
posted by bluishorange at 9:46 PM on December 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


Just put everything in your profile. Then we can all see what a passive-aggressive freak you are :D
posted by puke & cry at 9:47 PM on December 5, 2007


Notes:
12-04-07

[user] posted about cottage cheese today. I never used to like cottage cheese, but now I see it in a whole new light. [user] also posted about cell phones. [user] is sooo smart. I think I'll go to [user]'s next meetup. I'm in Los Angeles and he's in Manhattan, but that's okay. It will be worth it. [user] makes such funny comments. I think have a crush. Who needs DateMe? I've already found my MeFi soulmate.

12-05-07

Have noticed [user] resonds to [other user]'s comments more than mine. I can't let this go on. Fortunately, I know where [other user] lives and can get there to flame her for reals in about 14 hours if I substitute diapers for bathroom breaks.

posted by katillathehun at 9:50 PM on December 5, 2007 [4 favorites]


I guess what I'm feeling now is similar to how others felt when Twitter first came around.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 9:51 PM on December 5, 2007


I usually just write out my user notes along the side of my monitor. I decrease the screen resolution for the space and I find that human blood works nicely for the notetaking. Not any blood will do, though - the blood of the elderly tends to be a bit thin for later review, as does the blood I got from this pair of twins I just nabbed from my friend Randy's brother Dennis. I mean, HELL, their blood as ink is just too damn thin for my needs.

What works best, you might ask? It's not hard. Usually I follow - at a safe distance, of course - a single guy as he goes from the Whataburger drive-thru to the Grandy's drive-thru to the Taco Cabana drive-thru, then I track him back to his apartment and wait about an hour for the food coma to take effect. After that, i enlist a couple of height-impaired friends of mine to scuttle into his place, drain him for all he's worth, and get the goods back over to my rented warehouse. Once there, we carefully draw his juices into specially modified fountain pens, stick said pens in the fridge until needed, and, well, there you have it.

Don't worry - I pay my little helpers quite well. I can assure you of that.
posted by item at 10:21 PM on December 5, 2007


Me, I'm covered in tattoos like the guy from Memento. I wake up every morning, go to shave, and read "Cortex has powers. Do not piss him off."
posted by L. Fitzgerald Sjoberg at 10:23 PM on December 5, 2007 [7 favorites]


Favorites + Google Notes?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:04 PM on December 5, 2007


Why don't you just save comments and threads by users to delicious? They have a notes sections specifically devoted to this.
posted by iamkimiam at 11:06 PM on December 5, 2007


Three suggestions to make this happen that won't mean any work for mathowie or pb.

1. Pen and paper.

2. Notepad and an intricately constructed folder system?

3. Medication?

OK, '3' won't actually make it happen but it's a good idea anyway.
posted by Effigy2000 at 11:55 PM on December 5, 2007


Implementing this idea would result in me canceling my account and probably requesting that all trace of activity be deleted.

The database of posts and comments is bad enough. I don't need a fuckton of metadata besides.

Can't you just stalk people the old fashioned way?
posted by loquacious at 12:04 AM on December 6, 2007


I usually read what's written, then notice the author after the fact.

If I remember correctly, I think Matt has described this as a conscious design decision, and I think it's a good one. With high resolution monitors, it doesn't really happen much these days, but I quite like reading a comment and only after the fact realizing who made it (if it's a long one). Which isn't neither here nor there, really, I guess.

With 62,000 users, it's really effing hard to keep track of people.

Nobody has said this yet, I don't think (which surprises me), but there are nothing like 62,000 actual commenting users of the site. I can't remember the last cortex datadump, but I think you need to drop it about an order of magnitude or so. Still a lot of people, though, I guess.

As far as the feature request, I've got no great feelings either way. Given how poor my memory tends to be, I suppose I could use it, but I'm not sure I actually would.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:06 AM on December 6, 2007


Whoops, tepidmonkey did note the usercount discrepancy. I missed it first time through.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:07 AM on December 6, 2007


It would be great if you could see flags against a user. Too many "offensive" or "breaks the guidelines" flags could shed some light on some of the incomprehensible trollings of this user or that.
posted by tehloki at 12:13 AM on December 6, 2007


What PinkSuperhero said above about not wanting to hold grudges forever rings really true for me too. Some very few egregious insults I've received from a couple of users are etched into my mind, and I don't need a system for keeping track of them. Smaller insults or shabby treatment or whatever, I'd rather just forget. Too much encoding and hoarding of negative impressions would be a minus for the site, I think, not a plus.

ON THE OTHER HAND... I think the elucidation that pineapple offered upthread is worth keeping in mind here: it doesn't have to be a notepad for grudges! It could be full of positive reminders, basic info, etc.

Then of course, there's this comment from the esteemed loquacious, who wrote: "Implementing this idea would result in me canceling my account and probably requesting that all trace of activity be deleted."

Isn't that reason enough for implementing pineapple's idea RIGHT AWAY?

jes' kiddin', loq. Love you madly.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 1:19 AM on December 6, 2007


tehloki: "It would be great if you could see flags against a user. Too many "offensive" or "breaks the guidelines" flags could shed some light on some of the incomprehensible trollings of this user or that."

I agree somewhat, but I suspect that many who deserve such things would probably wear that as a badge of honor. And others still would flag 'innocent' users just to ruin good names.
posted by Effigy2000 at 1:38 AM on December 6, 2007

King of the perennial holly-groves, the riven sandstone: overlord of the M5: architect of the historic rampart and ditch, the citadel at Tamworth, the summer hermitage in Holy Cross: guardian of the Welsh Bridge and the Iron Bridge: contractor to the desirable new estates: saltmaster: money-changer: commissioner for oaths: martyrologist: the friend of Charlemagne.

'I liked that,' said Offa, 'sing it again.'
Geoffrey Hill Mercian Hymns
posted by Abiezer at 1:55 AM on December 6, 2007


I can keep my scores as it is. Like flapjax says, the egregious (which, to be honest, is very little), is etched in, and the run of the mill crap is forgettable.

And like I am ever going to lose track of my crushes and muses. Yeah, right.
posted by Wolof at 2:50 AM on December 6, 2007


Effigy2000: 1) Their badges of pride would look like badges of shame, to us.
2) People can already flag other users indiscriminately. Then the comment comes up in the flag queue, then mattamyntex reads it, and if it seems to be completely innocuous, then whoever did the flagging gets a little more scrutiny.
posted by tehloki at 3:30 AM on December 6, 2007


scrutin that!
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:35 AM on December 6, 2007


As far as I'm concerned, none of you have passed the Turing test yet, and I see no reason to think of you as actual people, much keep 'notes' on your 'behavior'.
posted by signal at 4:45 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


A simple way to do something like this would be first to mark as a "contact" anyone you want to remember something about; then to favorite comments from this contact that contains information you want to keep; and last, to have the option "your favorite comments from this contact".
posted by bru at 5:15 AM on December 6, 2007


This would help me. I am really great at remembering faces, but terrible at remembering names, and so only being able to remember people by usernames is really hard for me. I know that there are two prominent mefites whose usernames begin with 'e'. One of them writes really long comments, none of which I have ever read, and then there is another one. May be from Australia? With this feature I could label them: "really long comment guy" and "other one - Australia maybe? try to confirm - see if mentions koalas." Yes this would be quite helpful.
posted by ND¢ at 5:25 AM on December 6, 2007 [2 favorites]


I keep hand-written sticky notes about the users I like. It doesn't require any complicated computer-based system, because there are just a few of them. The rest of you suck.
posted by The Deej at 5:30 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


I keep hand-written sticky notes about the users I like.

Alternately, there's the computer-based stickies.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:52 AM on December 6, 2007


StalkMe
posted by Elmore at 5:54 AM on December 6, 2007


item why did you have to mention Grandy's :(

Anyway -- I think this would be best suited to a greasemonkey application, much like that one script that has a killfile that I keep meaning to install.
posted by sugarfish at 6:00 AM on December 6, 2007


"Hey look, Kwine's popped in to say 'meh' about another social networking add-on!"

meh!
posted by Kwine at 6:11 AM on December 6, 2007


Seconding Favorites + Google Notes.
posted by desuetude at 6:21 AM on December 6, 2007


it doesn't have to be a notepad for grudges! It could be full of positive reminders, basic info, etc.

So why not just put the list on your userpage? As long as it's positive/neutral stuff, it shouldn't bother anybody like jonson's list did (though frankly I thought that was hilarious).
posted by languagehat at 6:37 AM on December 6, 2007


I keep hand-written sticky notes about the users I like.
posted by The Deej

Alternately, there's the computer-based stickies.
posted by flapjax at midnite


As I said: It doesn't require any complicated computer-based system, because there are just a few of them. The rest of you suck.

Man, didn't even read the second sentence. No wonder the rest of you suck.

But if I am ever in Japan I still expect midnight pancakes.
posted by The Deej at 6:38 AM on December 6, 2007


And signal, how does none of you have passed the Turing test yet, and I see no reason to think of you as actual people, much keep 'notes' on your 'behavior' make you feel?
posted by waraw at 6:42 AM on December 6, 2007 [2 favorites]


If you could see the flags a user had against them you know people would try and become the user with the most flags.
posted by chunking express at 6:55 AM on December 6, 2007


As long as it's positive/neutral stuff, it shouldn't bother anybody like jonson's list did (though frankly I thought that was hilarious).

Just because I consider something positive/neutral doesn't mean that other people need to read it. Ex: I recently interacted with a MeFite who had an inexplicably strong reaction in a thread about a neurological condition that comes up regularly around here. Several days later, the user revealed that a family member has the condition, hence the vehement attitude.

Would it be appropriate to put "User X's kid has severe neurological condition" in my profile? Not to me, even though that's technically a neutral note. Is the user's angry comment appropriate for bookmarking with a Favorite? Not if I don't want to clutter my favorites, and not if I don't want to be seen to be mocking the conversation, due to the perennial "Favorites: are they bookmarks or applause?" issue. Wanting to remember a personal detail about a user doesn't fall into bookmarks or applause, really, and I can't see where Favorites needs a third function.

Actual handwritten notes wouldn't work for me because I rarely use MeFi at the exact same computer all the time. I alternate between four machines, and travel a lot to boot.

Favorites + Google Notes or some other delicious hack wouldn't work for me because I'm not willing to pick up an additional application for this process. Which might mean I don't want it badly enough -- which I accept willingly.

It seems that if the focus in this discussion has shot directly to "would only be used for evil," then that's probably a pretty good marker that the idea isn't suitable for MeFi. (Or, a pretty good marker that y'all are just mostly freaks who only like to remember the bad stuff about people, or nothing at all. But hey, I don't judge.)

Be we all ought be careful with the implication that maintaining data on users = stalking. Like I said, we're arguably aggregating that data anyway, so to do so in a simpler and tangible way that is helpful to those of us who don't use the site every single day or are newer users trying to get familiar with the natives or like to remember which AskMe types Know Things About Things, isn't that much a stretch. It would just prevent us from feeling superior because we're keeping it all up here [taps forehead], and not "crossing the line into stalking" by writing the words down.

Besides, if you didn't like it, you could always just not use it. There are plenty of the new social-networking modifications that I don't use because it doesn't enhance my MeFi experience; this is something that would. Still, I'm happy to acknowledge that I might be on the fringe on this.

Whoever could make a Greasemonkey script, though, would have my undying affection.
posted by pineapple at 6:55 AM on December 6, 2007


Where is this infamous list of jonson's?
posted by chunking express at 6:57 AM on December 6, 2007


I wrote a greasemonkey script that allows you to add text notes to any users profile (except your own). Check it out here. A few minutes of testing hasn't found any issues, but let me know if there are any.
posted by jacalata at 7:10 AM on December 6, 2007 [5 favorites]


Where is this infamous list of jonson's?

It used to be on his profile page. A list of short notes about users who had gotten his attention for making what he called "defining comments". I cried my way into being the first woman added to the list, and then eyeballkid beat me up. I still hold a grudge.
posted by iconomy at 7:23 AM on December 6, 2007


And jacalata takes the day.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:39 AM on December 6, 2007


Nice, jacalata. The ability to delete individual notes would be handy, rather than an all or nothing approach.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 7:46 AM on December 6, 2007


I like to imagine that MetaFilter is about what people write, not who they are. I think that back in the day this was designed in, and we certainly have a culture of not signing posts, and don't have avatars, and are supposed to discuss the posts rather than chat to one-another. I am against the Facebookisation of the site, although between profile pictures and contact feeds it seems to be inexorable, and like to pretend that it isn't happening. So I am against any further moves towards making the site user-oriented rather than content-oriented. Do not want, etc. So I guess you can just add "reactionary fuddy-duddy" to your creepy stalker notepads.
posted by nowonmai at 8:04 AM on December 6, 2007


ThePinkSuperhero
posted by chlorus at 8:28 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


Hm? Does that mean I'm on your list, chlorus?
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:47 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


I am against the Facebookisation of the site, although between profile pictures and contact feeds it seems to be inexorable

I'm not really for it, myself, so I don't use those features. But this isn't a feature on Flickr, Facebook, MySpace, Vbulletin forums, or any of those other sites, far as I know. Maybe LinkedIn? But I don't use that one either.

So, the way I see it, this would be a pioneering feature, not a knocked-off feature.

I like to imagine that MetaFilter is about what people write, not who they are.

I like to imagine that more MeFites will get over on the idea that the two aren't mutually exclusive. Why is there always a contingent loudly decrying sockpuppets? Why is there a "you can't change your username" policy here? Simply put, the currency here has always been that what people write is who they are. The words you say here comprise the community's idea of you.

I think that back in the day this was designed in

Disagree. The layout of the site, while different from other boards, never actually stopped people from seeing who wrote what... it just didn't put those names at the very top of the post, thereby sending a top-down message that your words matter. I like to think that the caliber of user at MetaFilter means that people didn't judge the post before reading it, regardless. But none of that stops (or has ever stopped) anyone from formulating an idea of the persona of this or that user based on her posts.

and we certainly have a culture of not signing posts, and don't have avatars

Well, signing posts has always just been stupid, anywhere on the internet, IMO. If your name is already on the thing, it's redundant to add

~ Pineapple

beneath it. I never thought of "we don't sign posts" as a "...because it doesn't matter who wrote the post," as much as an implicit, "Yes, we can read, you doofus, don't be redundant."

and are supposed to discuss the posts rather than chat to one-another.

There's no "chat" benefit for me, to notes. I don't care a bit about the chatty stuff. I care that if a person uses his words to make a statement that would color how I read his later statement, right now there's not* a convenient way for me to remember that.

* Thanks, jacalata! Can't wait to try it out. I'll be v. interested to see how many people end up using it. Even you Susie Skeptics will come around, because it will be so handy. Just use it for good, not evil, and then you can retain your smug non-stalker position. :)
posted by pineapple at 8:51 AM on December 6, 2007


TPS, hover over your name in chlorus's comment.
posted by Partial Law at 9:20 AM on December 6, 2007


Haaaa. That's clever.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:25 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


Thanks to this discussion, I just now installed greasemonkey, and jacalata's script is my first-ever greasemonkey script, and now I feel all 21st century modern and everything. Thanks!
posted by rtha at 9:28 AM on December 6, 2007


There's an easy way to do this. Just put your notes about people up as comments in threads. Then, only favorite your own comments. When you go to your favorites page, all you see is your list of notes.

That's how I keep my shopping list.
posted by koeselitz at 9:39 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


Oh, and I need to pick up some oranges and a bag of marshmallows.
posted by koeselitz at 9:40 AM on December 6, 2007 [3 favorites]


May I present to you:
  • Google Notebook
  • Google Notebook Firefox Extension

  • posted by blue_beetle at 9:48 AM on December 6, 2007


    chunking express : Where is this infamous list of jonson's?

    I didn't read this with the possessive 's, and it really changed what I perceived your request to be.
    posted by quin at 9:58 AM on December 6, 2007


    Enemies/Friends of Carlotta pineapple.
    </obscure movie reference>
    posted by slimepuppy at 10:15 AM on December 6, 2007


    I accomplish this by just putting notes in the comment box and hitting post. That way it stores it in recent activity.

    drezdn is awesome
    posted by drezdn at 10:20 AM on December 6, 2007


    I don't think a movie written and directed by Carl Reiner and starring Steve Martin counts as obscure, slimepuppy.
    posted by dersins at 10:22 AM on December 6, 2007


    I like forgetting stuff about users and only judging them based on their current words, not my predefined perceptions.
    posted by desjardins at 10:23 AM on December 6, 2007


    speaking of carlotta,

    Beijing

    I could still hear the musicians
    cajoling those thousands of clay
    horses and horsemen through the squeeze
    when I woke beside Carlotta.
    Life-size, also. Also terra-cotta.
    The sky was still a terra-cotta frieze
    over which her grandfather still held sway
    with the set-square, fret-saw, stencil,
    plumb-line and carpenter's pencil
    his grandfather brought from Roma.
    Proud-fleshed Carlotta. Hypersarcoma.
    For now our highest ambition
    was simply to bear the light of the day
    we had once been planning to seize.

    --Paul Muldoon
    posted by exlotuseater at 10:24 AM on December 6, 2007


    and thanks jacalata, for the script. Awesome.
    posted by exlotuseater at 10:25 AM on December 6, 2007


    I don't think a movie written and directed by Carl Reiner and starring Steve Martin counts as obscure, slimepuppy.

    Really? Because I have not met a single person in my life who has seen the movie. Guess it never made it big over here. Or I need better friends.

    posted by slimepuppy at 10:42 AM on December 6, 2007


    Carl who and snuh Martin?
    posted by cortex (staff) at 10:46 AM on December 6, 2007


    Jacalata, bravo. Now, as others have said, let us delete individual notes.

    The other problem I see with this is if someone doesn't back up their Firefox profile and has to start over... all their notes are gone.
    posted by IndigoRain at 10:50 AM on December 6, 2007


    The MeFi singularity approaches apace.
    posted by everichon at 11:20 AM on December 6, 2007


    Can't wait to start using this!

    ACCORDING TO MY RECORDS YOUR POINT IS ARGUABLY IN TENSION WITH A COMMENT YOU MADE CONCERNING A DIFFERENT SUBJECT ON JUNE 21, 2005 SO I WIN
    posted by brain_drain at 11:23 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    I just quit my job, so I can have time to do all the Metafilter Things.
    posted by everichon at 11:26 AM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    Really? Because I have not met a single person in my life who has seen the movie.

    I actually saw it in a film class in college; teacher used it as a way of highlighting a bunch of the noir clips they chose.

    posted by quin at 11:28 AM on December 6, 2007


    ThePinkSuperhero: "Yes. YES. We need this. Yes."

    *Marks TPS as "Thought she was a guy until I met her[1]"*

    ThePinkSuperhero: "No, just kidding, I don't really want it."

    *Marks TPS as "Waffler"*





    [1] No, not really, but I've heard some people have.
    posted by Plutor at 11:38 AM on December 6, 2007


    And now we need the hack that allows us to see how others are marking us, to determine whether the paranoia is justified.
    posted by waraw at 12:17 PM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    i support this feature as long as "lol" is added to the end of every note that we write.
    posted by Stynxno at 12:24 PM on December 6, 2007


    i support this feature as long as "lol" is added to the end of every note that we write.

    This is pretty much what the admin interface looks like.
    posted by cortex (staff) at 12:26 PM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    Divine_Wino: Preposterous, uses commas like old people fuck, vain, smells of chewing gum, can cook a chicken with two clothes irons.
    posted by Divine_Wino at 12:31 PM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    I'll try and put in individual note deletion and make it generally cooler tonight after work (ie; not before 12 hours away).
    posted by jacalata at 1:07 PM on December 6, 2007


    MetaTalk: "Yes, we can read, you doofus, don't be redundant."
    posted by solotoro at 1:29 PM on December 6, 2007


    uses commas like old people fuck

    Is there a punchline to this? Please, Santa?
    posted by bluishorange at 1:35 PM on December 6, 2007


    Inserts them in inappropriate places?
    posted by dersins at 1:36 PM on December 6, 2007


    Uses them to separate independent clauses?

    That can't be it.
    posted by bluishorange at 1:42 PM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    Improperly and infrequently
    posted by InfidelZombie at 1:50 PM on December 6, 2007


    With little risk of conception?
    posted by dersins at 1:52 PM on December 6, 2007


    uses commas like old people fuck

    Slow and sloppy, is how I always heard that punchline.
    posted by pineapple at 2:32 PM on December 6, 2007


    Divine_Wino: ... uses commas like old people fuck...

    With a good deal of grunting and few words, the enjoyment of the act a private thing even unto themselves, afraid to speak while within the moment because of shame imbued during their youths, their sun-sheltered youths in the heartland, raised by fearful protestants who feared to mention sexual congress but in hushed tones, that same shame welling up in their wrinkled bodies as they taste of the pleasure which, once a treasured secret of much-anticipated adulthood, has now become a commonplace, spoken of on every streetcorner, at which even preadolescents excel when compared to these old husks who have seen so many bodies and lusted after so many people?

    have been reading too much Cormac McCarthy
    posted by koeselitz at 4:51 PM on December 6, 2007 [2 favorites]


    Because that's how I use commas.
    posted by koeselitz at 4:52 PM on December 6, 2007


    I take it back, koeselitz. You're not humorless.
    posted by dersins at 5:11 PM on December 6, 2007 [1 favorite]


    Koeselitz,
    Exactly, thank you.
    posted by Divine_Wino at 5:53 PM on December 6, 2007


    I wish there was a way for us to store notes about users.

    Y'know, that creeps me out to no end.
    posted by five fresh fish at 6:49 PM on December 6, 2007


    I care that if a person uses his words to make a statement that would color how I read his later statement, right now there's not* a convenient way for me to remember that.

    Has it not occurred to you that not-remembering is a FEATURE, not a bug? That each thread is a chance for a user to start anew? That excessive detail of memory is going to detract from your ability to read a message without undue bias?
    posted by five fresh fish at 6:54 PM on December 6, 2007


    “I prefer to let my grudges come and go. I don't want a system that would help me keep them forever.” - posted by ThePinkSuperhero

    N’thed. + what desjardins said about only judging the current words on the page, not the predefined perceptions about the user.
    And vice versa.
    I mean, someone says something I completely disagree with it would be contrary to a genuine dialogue to not invest my argument with full merit simply because I like them.
    I almost never read the names of someone who posts something unless I want to direct comment to agree with or refute them rather than make a more general statement about their concept (whether pro or con).

    Note: exploit Divine_Wino’s vanity but avoid his “homestyle” fried chicken.

    I think: orally; Shatner, uses...commas like, old, people, fuck.
    So now everything I read from Divine_Wino is going to sound like Captain Kirk.
    posted by Smedleyman at 7:29 PM on December 6, 2007


    Has it not occurred to you that not-remembering is a FEATURE, not a bug?

    Has it not occurred to you that not every single MeFite uses the site in the exact same way you do? I'm really surprised by the apparent overall dearth of understanding of the concepts of user experience and usability, popping up in this thread.

    (But I'll kindly ask you to let me decide for myself what bias I bring to the table and whether it's undue.)

    This routine of "Wha....? Huh? There is info? about users? which they choose make public? and we might... know it? and it might.... INFORM US? My God, bring me my smelling salts"... it's getting a bit weary. Don't forget, this info is already out there for the parsing, if I just want to spend hours digging through it. I'm not asking for frigging blood types and mothers' maiden names.

    We aggregate data about other MeFi users all the time, every last one of us. (Some people even aggregate it into popularity charts and freaky statistical reports, which I personally happen to think is odd, but it doesn't hurt me so rock out.) If it's really that critical to convince oneself of being more special because one only aggregates it in one's head -- over those of us who can now do it with a MeFi version of a sticky note, nobody is going to stop you.

    The part of the site I visit most is AskMe. What a person does for a living, what their life experiences have been -- it matters over there (see also). Being able to jot down notes and remember that someone knows a lot about knitting, or flies planes as a hobby, or once went to clown college... that's helpful to be able to quickly find again. If you don't think so, that's fine, and don't use the script.

    But enough already with the "The Good and The Pure Forget Everything EVERY Day, and My way is the Only Way to Use MeFi, and if you Say Different, You're a CREEP and a STALKER and a PREVERT!!!!!!1"
    posted by pineapple at 7:43 PM on December 6, 2007


    Does anyone else see the note at the bottom of the live preview box?

    note: Everyone needs a hug.

    It's so kyoot!
    posted by deborah at 8:05 PM on December 6, 2007


    five fresh fish: "Y'know, that creeps me out to no end."

    *goes into FFF's profile, uses new Greasemonkey script to remind self that this creeps FFF out to no end*
    posted by IndigoRain at 8:15 PM on December 6, 2007


    It's so kyoot!

    Flagged as offensive.

    Also, I wasn't kidding, if someone here did go to clown college, I really do want to know about that.
    posted by pineapple at 8:34 PM on December 6, 2007


    Oh no, Pineapple! I totally didn't mean to imply that my inability to keep track of more than the handful of people I dislike here was an awesome aspect of my personality, or that I wouldn't be pleased to use a notes system thingy. I just meant, well, if I had the ability to take notes on users, the number of people I intensely dislike would climb from three or four to, um, more.

    More kind and generally decent people than I would use it for things like "This guy teaches skydiving!" or "She knows how to fix toasters."

    I would use it for "What an arrogant jerk." or "Attack of the ellipses, LOL".
    posted by thehmsbeagle at 8:37 PM on December 6, 2007


    I mean, someone says something I completely disagree with it would be contrary to a genuine dialogue to not invest my argument with full merit simply because I like them.

    And vice-versa, it would be contrary to good dialog and good community to go into a new thread with pre-judgement of others. People do learn and change.
    posted by five fresh fish at 8:38 PM on December 6, 2007


    *opens pineapple's profile, adds note: i hate her with the fierceness of a thousand suns! she's so mean! may the fleas of a thousand camels infest her ...wait a sec. why am i here? oh yeah. pineapples are yummy. note to self: don't forget to pick up a pineapple at the grocery store.*
    posted by deborah at 11:28 AM on December 7, 2007 [1 favorite]


    I wish I'd gone to clown college.
    posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:47 PM on December 7, 2007


    I updated the script (still here), the buttons look screwed up now but it deletes individual notes. If anyone knows how to fix the buttons I'd appreciate it!
    posted by jacalata at 3:03 AM on December 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


    I'm trying to upgrade the script so it does the 'hover over username and see notes' bit in the original post, but I'd really appreciate some input on how best to do this: at the moment I'm planning a little i next to the username of someone that you have made notes on, and if you hover over this, you see all their notes. There would also be a button in the top right corner (inserted after 'sign out') allowing you to toggle this extra functionality, and you would still have to visit their profile to add the notes.

    Sound good? Wanna test it for me? 'i' is too small? Have any other ideas? Let me know!
    posted by jacalata at 12:20 AM on December 16, 2007


    Brave new version is up - it now gives you the option (off by default) to see an indicator next to the username of everyone you've made notes on, and when you mouse over their username, the (first part) of any notes will pop up. Toggle this option with the 'sitewide notes' ajax in the top corner. blah blah feedback cool anything broken let me know house burns down = not my fault
    posted by jacalata at 3:06 AM on December 20, 2007


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