GYOB December 13, 2007 10:14 AM Subscribe
The Mitchell Report is a big deal (if you care about baseball or American sports, anyway). We should have a post about it that, y'know, links to it, or at least some substantive analysis of it, not a post that links to one guy's stats and a 100-word "article" that refers to things it's rumored to contain, followed by an unattributed list of names.
Agreed, I removed it. Post about it when it's really available.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:17 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:17 AM on December 13, 2007
Are we talking about the stupidsexyflanders Report? Have they released that yet?
posted by NationalKato at 10:21 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by NationalKato at 10:21 AM on December 13, 2007
Hey, he didn't claim to be only sexy.
posted by found missing at 10:24 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by found missing at 10:24 AM on December 13, 2007
ZING!
posted by NationalKato at 10:28 AM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by NationalKato at 10:28 AM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
13 minutes left...
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:49 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:49 AM on December 13, 2007
*A guide to Marijuana users in Hollywood in the 1950s
posted by drezdn at 10:52 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by drezdn at 10:52 AM on December 13, 2007
I hear Ty Cobb is on the list BTW. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!11!1!!!
posted by Mister_A at 10:55 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 10:55 AM on December 13, 2007
Somehow, people always forget to update that one, Mister_A.
posted by cgc373 at 10:56 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by cgc373 at 10:56 AM on December 13, 2007
4 more minutes! No wait, three!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:59 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:59 AM on December 13, 2007
It's 2 o'clock baby! READ MY POST IT IS FIRST!!!!
posted by Mister_A at 11:01 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 11:01 AM on December 13, 2007
Are we there yet?
posted by languagehat at 11:01 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by languagehat at 11:01 AM on December 13, 2007
I don't even care about baseball, I just like countdowns.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:03 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:03 AM on December 13, 2007
They forgot Dock Ellis on that list.
posted by gauchodaspampas at 11:04 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by gauchodaspampas at 11:04 AM on December 13, 2007
The one guy I thought would be in there isn't (at least not according to my PDF search).
posted by drezdn at 11:18 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by drezdn at 11:18 AM on December 13, 2007
Wow Dave Justice...
He always seemed such a straight arrow. There's a whole chapter in there on Clemens, by the way.
Some of these are pretty obvious, like when Todd Hundley went from middle of the road, decent defensive skills to All-star slugger overnight.
posted by Mister_A at 11:23 AM on December 13, 2007
He always seemed such a straight arrow. There's a whole chapter in there on Clemens, by the way.
Some of these are pretty obvious, like when Todd Hundley went from middle of the road, decent defensive skills to All-star slugger overnight.
posted by Mister_A at 11:23 AM on December 13, 2007
No Trot, Varitek, Milton Bradley, Pudge...
Eric Gagne is in it though. With an express mail receipt!
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:26 AM on December 13, 2007
Eric Gagne is in it though. With an express mail receipt!
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:26 AM on December 13, 2007
And come on, Rich Garces was on that list?
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:27 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:27 AM on December 13, 2007
The one guy I thought would be in there isn't
The one guy you thought would be in there wasn't Clemens or Bonds?
posted by dersins at 11:27 AM on December 13, 2007
The one guy you thought would be in there wasn't Clemens or Bonds?
posted by dersins at 11:27 AM on December 13, 2007
You know, any other business with this level of public illegal drug use would stand a good chance of being shut down.
posted by edgeways at 11:28 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by edgeways at 11:28 AM on December 13, 2007
I should say, the one Brewer I thought would be in there wasn't.
Though now I'm pissed about the Gagne signing.
posted by drezdn at 11:28 AM on December 13, 2007
Though now I'm pissed about the Gagne signing.
posted by drezdn at 11:28 AM on December 13, 2007
Although I admit I'm a little surprised not to see the 1996 model-year Brady Anderson in there...
posted by dersins at 11:29 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by dersins at 11:29 AM on December 13, 2007
From a Sox scout to Theo Epstein:
"Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a
checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body
and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max
effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and
without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back
durability and ability to throw average while allowing the change-
up to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will
follow Gagne . . .426"
And they signed him after that?
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:30 AM on December 13, 2007
"Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a
checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body
and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max
effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and
without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back
durability and ability to throw average while allowing the change-
up to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will
follow Gagne . . .426"
And they signed him after that?
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 11:30 AM on December 13, 2007
Let me just state my appreciation for that most splendid name Albert Pujols.
posted by Kattullus at 11:31 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Kattullus at 11:31 AM on December 13, 2007
Damn the lack of a handy list. Page 121 has the list of those in the BALCO case, but that's it.
posted by middleclasstool at 11:31 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by middleclasstool at 11:31 AM on December 13, 2007
Page 242, list of guys who bought their dope online. Thanks for fucking with my memories, guys.
posted by middleclasstool at 11:33 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by middleclasstool at 11:33 AM on December 13, 2007
Is Pujols in it?
I haven't turned up anything in my search yet.
posted by drezdn at 11:33 AM on December 13, 2007
I haven't turned up anything in my search yet.
posted by drezdn at 11:33 AM on December 13, 2007
No Pujols. No Darryl Kile. McGwire, of course yes.
posted by middleclasstool at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by middleclasstool at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
And Ankiel, goddamn it.
posted by middleclasstool at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by middleclasstool at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
With Miguel Tejada fingered, I think Rafael Palmeiro now has some reasonable doubt that that "B-12 shot" he got could have been tainted.
Well, so long as he's not lying.
posted by dw at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
Well, so long as he's not lying.
posted by dw at 11:37 AM on December 13, 2007
Also, surprised that the cavalcade of Mariners didn't include Bret Boone.
posted by dw at 11:38 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by dw at 11:38 AM on December 13, 2007
Oh yeah, dersins, it was like one year Brady Anderson was wandering the country, seeking anonymity and quietude, and then one "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" later, he's green and deaf and throwing cars around and shit, hitting 50 homers and growing 90210 sideburns (yeah, 90,210 of them: he's got 45,105 heads now).
Then again, he worked out with Little Rip, whose two-a-days were legendary back then, so he's got plausible deniability. Iron Man's workout alone could make a Louis Skolnick into an Ogre in one season, right?
posted by breezeway at 11:41 AM on December 13, 2007 [2 favorites]
Then again, he worked out with Little Rip, whose two-a-days were legendary back then, so he's got plausible deniability. Iron Man's workout alone could make a Louis Skolnick into an Ogre in one season, right?
posted by breezeway at 11:41 AM on December 13, 2007 [2 favorites]
Just because they were named does not mean all these guys juiced. Some of the evidence is pretty skimpy, and they named one poor guy who received a few scrips after surgery. Given the few sources, it is hardly surprising that some players who look juiced are not named. Their source just didn't rat them out.
posted by caddis at 11:42 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by caddis at 11:42 AM on December 13, 2007
If have a day where I don't like my job, I can feel good that I don't have to stick Roger Clemens in the ass with needles.
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:42 AM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:42 AM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Oh man, Lenny Dykstra. I remember him bulking up, but was then too young to even think about steroids.
To hell with Major League Baseball.
posted by cog_nate at 11:46 AM on December 13, 2007
To hell with Major League Baseball.
posted by cog_nate at 11:46 AM on December 13, 2007
To hell with Major League Baseball.
That's a little naive. If you want to get all righteous on us, you have to send all of professional sports to hell.
posted by xmutex at 11:47 AM on December 13, 2007
That's a little naive. If you want to get all righteous on us, you have to send all of professional sports to hell.
posted by xmutex at 11:47 AM on December 13, 2007
Thank the lord bike racing and track & field are still clean.
posted by Mister_A at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2007
He was busted months ago.
Yeah, I know, the "goddamn it" was just reliving the pain. Best Cinderella story in years totally fucked.
I just haven't cared as much about baseball the last five years, it's like "great, the drugs are working. Woot."
posted by middleclasstool at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2007
Yeah, I know, the "goddamn it" was just reliving the pain. Best Cinderella story in years totally fucked.
I just haven't cared as much about baseball the last five years, it's like "great, the drugs are working. Woot."
posted by middleclasstool at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2007
Chuck Knoblauch! That alone redeems this ridiculous investigation.
posted by otio at 11:51 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by otio at 11:51 AM on December 13, 2007
xmutex: Not really, MLB spent years and years and years just whistling and looking away while this stuff was blatent as all hell and not even making it against the rules to dope. Yes, there is doping and abuse in every sport, but I do not believe that in most of professional sport, that doping is generally ignored (and tacitly accepted, since the Home Run Era did wonders for MLB viewership).
posted by absalom at 11:51 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by absalom at 11:51 AM on December 13, 2007
Also, surprised that the cavalcade of Mariners didn't include Bret Boone.
Surprised? Hell, I was shocked!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:52 AM on December 13, 2007
Surprised? Hell, I was shocked!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:52 AM on December 13, 2007
Oh man, Lenny Dykstra.
That's disappointing, but not in the least surprising. And yet my memories of Dykstra hustling, beating out hits, and generally being an Energizer bunny remain untarnished.
Let's go '86 Mets!
posted by languagehat at 11:52 AM on December 13, 2007
That's disappointing, but not in the least surprising. And yet my memories of Dykstra hustling, beating out hits, and generally being an Energizer bunny remain untarnished.
Let's go '86 Mets!
posted by languagehat at 11:52 AM on December 13, 2007
xmutex, at this point, I would. I haven't really followed pro sports for almost a decade, but cycling's corrupt, baseball, football -- don't know about basketball, never followed it -- to hell with it all. Righteous enough?
posted by cog_nate at 11:53 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by cog_nate at 11:53 AM on December 13, 2007
Yea Lenny didn't look juiced til he got to the Phils. He looked about 25 or 30 lbs heavier on the '91 Phils then he did as a Met. I so enjoyed his reckless abandon and zeal for the game on both teams.
posted by Mister_A at 11:58 AM on December 13, 2007
posted by Mister_A at 11:58 AM on December 13, 2007
memories of Dykstra hustling, beating out hits
Oh, man. Nails. What a gamer.
posted by dersins at 12:03 PM on December 13, 2007
Oh, man. Nails. What a gamer.
posted by dersins at 12:03 PM on December 13, 2007
Bucky Fuckin' Dent?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:33 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:33 PM on December 13, 2007
Yeah it's really not hard to figure out which guys have used steroids and/or other performance enhancing drugs. Just like Lenny, you're looking for guys who started out with lean and mean builds and wound up looking more like slightly out of shape bodybuilders
After writing this, I figured surely someone must have documented something like this, and here you go
posted by poppo at 12:38 PM on December 13, 2007
After writing this, I figured surely someone must have documented something like this, and here you go
posted by poppo at 12:38 PM on December 13, 2007
Fuckin' Nails man, head first slides into first base, smoking Marlboros in the dugout. I loved that crazy little fucker, shit.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:40 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:40 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
LOLPROFESSIONALSPORTS.
posted by M.C. Lo-Carb! at 12:52 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by M.C. Lo-Carb! at 12:52 PM on December 13, 2007
Just because they were named does not mean all these guys juiced.
And just because someone's not in the report, doesn't even come close to saying they are/were clean.
posted by inigo2 at 12:56 PM on December 13, 2007
And just because someone's not in the report, doesn't even come close to saying they are/were clean.
posted by inigo2 at 12:56 PM on December 13, 2007
Speaking of this, does anyone remember an article written by a cyclist that experimented first hand with HGH (I think) and wrote about how ridiculously better it made him in a short period of time? Pretty sure it was linked to on MeFi at some point a few years ago....
posted by loquax at 1:06 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by loquax at 1:06 PM on December 13, 2007
Is anyone else sad that Chuck Knoblauch is on this list? Just me? Ok.
posted by Lucinda at 1:06 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by Lucinda at 1:06 PM on December 13, 2007
yes, i do, loquax. that made me consider taking the stuff myself. to get juiced for my weekend baseball games. I think it was a runner though.
**dreams of glory on the diamond**
posted by thekorruptor at 1:07 PM on December 13, 2007
**dreams of glory on the diamond**
posted by thekorruptor at 1:07 PM on December 13, 2007
There was one name that I was shocked to see in the Mitchell Report. But, now that I look at the 'after' picture, I guess I'm not surprised.
posted by found missing at 1:08 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by found missing at 1:08 PM on December 13, 2007
Basketball players do not want to bulk up like McGwire. Contraindicated by the demands of their game. They are much more likely to relax (and get busted) with pot.
posted by Cranberry at 1:14 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by Cranberry at 1:14 PM on December 13, 2007
We should have a post about it that, y'know, links to it, or at least some substantive analysis of it
This MetaTalk post will always be that Metafilter post's asterisk, if written.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:19 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
This MetaTalk post will always be that Metafilter post's asterisk, if written.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:19 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Here's one list of new names from the report.
Larry Bigbie (confessed)posted by ibmcginty at 1:36 PM on December 13, 2007
Brian Roberts (based on an admission to Bigbie)
Jack Cust (based on an admission to Bigbie)
Rondell White (Kirk Radomski)
Roger Clemens (Brian McNamee)
Andy Pettitte (Brian McNamee)
Gregg Zaun (Kirk Radomski)
Ron Villone (Kirk Radomski)
Miguel Tejada (performance-enhancers provided to Tejada by teammate Adam Piatt)
Mike Stanton (Kirk Radomski)
Stephen Randolph (Kirk Radomski)
Paul Lo Duca (Kirk Radomski)
Eric Gagne (Kirk Radomski)
Matt Herges (Kirk Radomski)
Gary Bennett (Kirk Radomski)
Brendan Donnelly (Kirk Radomski)
Howie Clark (Kirk Radomski)
Nook Logan (Kirk Radomski)
Alex Cabrera (Commissioner's Office, DEA, clubhouse attendant)
This is all pretty darn haphazard. Not much is proven, and no one is exonerated. But it will generate a lot of noise.
And I'm surprised there are Brewers fans who weren't already pissed about spending $10m on one year of Gagne. I thought he was a super buy-low candidate for an NL team. Not so much as a buy-high type.
posted by ibmcginty at 1:38 PM on December 13, 2007
And I'm surprised there are Brewers fans who weren't already pissed about spending $10m on one year of Gagne. I thought he was a super buy-low candidate for an NL team. Not so much as a buy-high type.
posted by ibmcginty at 1:38 PM on December 13, 2007
"don't know about basketball, never followed it"
They're racists.
As for this list, well, it's good to see that the only current Tiger is Gary Sheffield, and on some level (though I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt were he still a hated Yankee) I kinda believe his insane defense that he thought it was all flax seed oil, because I imagine him behaving like Tracy Morgan.
posted by klangklangston at 1:41 PM on December 13, 2007
They're racists.
As for this list, well, it's good to see that the only current Tiger is Gary Sheffield, and on some level (though I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt were he still a hated Yankee) I kinda believe his insane defense that he thought it was all flax seed oil, because I imagine him behaving like Tracy Morgan.
posted by klangklangston at 1:41 PM on December 13, 2007
Never give a Yankee the benefit of the doubt. To do so would be like saying Hitler smelled nice.
posted by middleclasstool at 1:45 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by middleclasstool at 1:45 PM on December 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Basketball players do not want to bulk up like McGwire. Contraindicated by the demands of their game. They are much more likely to relax (and get busted) with pot.
Well, that and take HGH because it helps recovery time from injuries/general wear, plus there's no test for it.
posted by inigo2 at 1:46 PM on December 13, 2007
Well, that and take HGH because it helps recovery time from injuries/general wear, plus there's no test for it.
posted by inigo2 at 1:46 PM on December 13, 2007
As for this list, well, it's good to see that the only current Tiger is Gary Sheffield, and on some level (though I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt were he still a hated Yankee) I kinda believe his insane defense that he thought it was all flax seed oil, because I imagine him behaving like Tracy Morgan.
That would actually make me like Sheffield.
And I'm surprised there are Brewers fans who weren't already pissed about spending $10m on one year of Gagne. I thought he was a super buy-low candidate for an NL team.
I wasn't that annoyed by it originally because I thought it was possible the Boston fiasco wouldn't be an issue because of the weaker offense in the NL and the supposed pressure of playing in Boston. Knowing how much our GM loves Texas Rangers, it would make sense that we would try hard for him.
Plus, athletes with French last names prosper in Wisconsin.
posted by drezdn at 1:55 PM on December 13, 2007
That would actually make me like Sheffield.
And I'm surprised there are Brewers fans who weren't already pissed about spending $10m on one year of Gagne. I thought he was a super buy-low candidate for an NL team.
I wasn't that annoyed by it originally because I thought it was possible the Boston fiasco wouldn't be an issue because of the weaker offense in the NL and the supposed pressure of playing in Boston. Knowing how much our GM loves Texas Rangers, it would make sense that we would try hard for him.
Plus, athletes with French last names prosper in Wisconsin.
posted by drezdn at 1:55 PM on December 13, 2007
Luis Sojo? That's just insane (and not true).
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:04 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:04 PM on December 13, 2007
Why are we still talking about this here? Take it to the blue!
posted by absalom at 2:06 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by absalom at 2:06 PM on December 13, 2007
"That would actually make me like Sheffield."
Yeah, it's easier to regard him affectionately when you think "No sane man would ever say that. He has to be comically deranged."
posted by klangklangston at 3:41 PM on December 13, 2007
Yeah, it's easier to regard him affectionately when you think "No sane man would ever say that. He has to be comically deranged."
posted by klangklangston at 3:41 PM on December 13, 2007
Yeah, it's easier to regard him affectionately when you think "No sane man would ever say that. He has to be comically deranged."
See, it's temping to think that. But, on the other hand, Carl Everett.
posted by dersins at 4:08 PM on December 13, 2007
See, it's temping to think that. But, on the other hand, Carl Everett.
posted by dersins at 4:08 PM on December 13, 2007
Actually, I take that back. It's working full time--with benefits and everything-- to think that.
posted by dersins at 4:10 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by dersins at 4:10 PM on December 13, 2007
I was nine years old during the '91 World Series. I knew most of the players, but when the Twins second baseman came to the plate, I asked who it was. My father, who is famous for completely making shit up for his own amusement, says, "Chuck Knoblauch." Which, if you give it a moment's thought, is a pretty goddamned implausible name for some random baseball player. I gave it a moment's thought, and confidently called him out on his lie. He tried to sell it to me for a minute, and I refused to believe him. When his name flashed up on the screen, I ran from the room in tears as he cackled with glee. He still tells this story, and still cackles.
posted by Kwine at 4:19 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by Kwine at 4:19 PM on December 13, 2007
Knoblauch forgot how to throw to first for a time. I wonder if that was roid related.
posted by found missing at 4:25 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by found missing at 4:25 PM on December 13, 2007
I will never watch baseball again, unless they ban all the players involved. Cricket is my game from now on.
posted by parmanparman at 10:10 PM on December 13, 2007
posted by parmanparman at 10:10 PM on December 13, 2007
Yeah, cricket is clean. ;)
I am sticking with cycling.
posted by caddis at 4:45 AM on December 14, 2007
I am sticking with cycling.
posted by caddis at 4:45 AM on December 14, 2007
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posted by dersins at 10:17 AM on December 13, 2007