All I am saying, is give posts a chance December 21, 2007 11:08 AM   Subscribe

At first I was kinda surprised the video in 67602 got dumped on in comments. There is nothing intrinsically bad here. It's actually rather professionally done, it feels very much like something that was produced for television. I strongly suspect the fault here is with the FPP.

(Yeah, it's another thread about post writing style, but hopefully from a different-enough angle. I'm hoping this is taken more as a suggestion to new users than a mandate kind of thing, especially since I'm not exactly prolific myself....)

All posters desire their links to be followed, right? (Well, except maybe hama7. I KID DON'T WITH THE HURT!*) Metafilter is filled with all kinds of people. Almost anything you can post to the front will be disliked, or occaisionally even liked, by someone. The way I see it, a FPP is kind of like an advertisement, but a dual-edged one, one in which you're trying to attract the people who will enjoy your post, and give those who won't enough information to go on so that they'll be able to skip it.

(Yeah, I know, we should expose ourselves to new perspectives and ideas, be more enlghtened, etc. But that doesn't completely wash in this case, does it? I can perfectly understand someone not being interested in The Obnoxious Anime Program Of The Week, but I don't think that means it should never be on the front page. I think everyone has things like that, and there's nothing wrong with it.)

Just because a post doesn't get deleted doesn't mean it's as good as it could be. I'm surprised, sometimes, by the things that have been on the Metafilter front page that I would have liked but skipped over, and eventually had to come across from other sources. I refresh the homepage enough that I see the surface text, at least, of nearly everything that scrolls by. If I find something excessively awesome through another site, then come to Metafilter to make a post about it, and I find in the dupe search that it was already linked a couple of weeks ago, I feel like a disservice was done, both to me and to the original site.

Because of the no-dupe rule, a link only has one shot on Metafilter. To those who enjoy the meme and want to bring it to others who might enjoy it too (which is the entire point of the Blue, to my understanding), it's important that that guy who posts it first does his homework.

Let us know about the creators. Tell us about the meme's history: is it interesting because it was made by just a couple of guys? Is it a parody of something else? Is the link a flash video? It'd be nice to not have to point at it and read the URL to find out.

Most of us (obviously not me, but most of us) are really super busy people, and we don't have the time to sort through every post that comes to rest here each day. All I'm asking is, just give us who would enjoy your post something to go on, some hook, some way to recognize it in the sea of other posts. Is that so wooong?

I discovered after writing this that hama7's account has been disabled. Ouch.
posted by JHarris to MetaFilter-Related at 11:08 AM (64 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

I'm sorry what? I don't understand your point. Could you give me something to go on, some hook, some way to recognize it in the sea of text you've inflicted upon us?
posted by dersins at 11:13 AM on December 21, 2007


The best way to improve FPPs is to post good ones as examples. Or so I've heard that last dozen times someone has griped about how a bad FPP can destroy a good subject.
posted by nomisxid at 11:14 AM on December 21, 2007


You're seriously all over the place here. I feel like you could have tightened this post up quite a bit.
posted by boo_radley at 11:16 AM on December 21, 2007


Meh.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:17 AM on December 21, 2007 [2 favorites]


I discovered after writing this that hama7's account has been disabled. Ouch.

he closed it without saying a word about it.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:17 AM on December 21, 2007


I'm super busy, and I don't have the time to sort through your entire post. All I'm asking is, could you please tell me what you're trying to say?
posted by iamkimiam at 11:19 AM on December 21, 2007


that was so. LONG.
posted by shmegegge at 11:19 AM on December 21, 2007


If I understand you correctly, and I think I do, you'd like more posts about cheese.
posted by found missing at 11:21 AM on December 21, 2007 [2 favorites]


I disagree JHarris - much of my enjoyment of MeFi is the serendipity of not quite knowing what lies behind the link. Often a quick look at the comments gives all the background you need (and will definitely provide views on whether its worthwhile).
posted by patricio at 11:22 AM on December 21, 2007


Argh, sorry for the length. Just trying to help. It's back to the rock for me I s'pose.
posted by JHarris at 11:22 AM on December 21, 2007


Perhaps this couple be boiled down to a SLOE piece? Or is there a video version?

Also: meh.
posted by blue_beetle at 11:23 AM on December 21, 2007


Wait, what?
posted by Pollomacho at 11:26 AM on December 21, 2007


Um, maybe this is better suited to Metatalk?
posted by box at 11:29 AM on December 21, 2007 [3 favorites]


That post wasn't too bad, but that first video was indeed intrinsically bad. I agree that it feels pretty professional, like it was done for television. But if our TVs all had comment boxes, I'm sure I would spend a lot more time being all, "OMG TOP MODEL IS A PIECE OF SHIT".

I think the FPP, on the other hand, was actually really well-written. You've got the "IM IN UR ___, ___ING YOUR ___" joke, followed by a reference to a Paladin's alignment -- the videos are sort of nerdy niche humor things, and the post reflects that really well.
posted by Greg Nog at 11:33 AM on December 21, 2007


Agreed with Greg Nog (eponysterical for another week!), and I think the thread was commenting on the quality of the linked videos, not the composition of the post. This I believe is a good thing.
posted by butterstick at 11:43 AM on December 21, 2007


I don't think that fpp hurt the videos' reception at all. I think a lot of people said that it was a very well animated and voice acted piece, especially for something done by a couple guys on their own. They also said that the writing was a bunch of really obvious and overused nerd jokes, and in my humble they're very right. Although the video response was hysterical. But it's true that none of those jokes in the manger vid were ones they thought of, and the ultimate narrative didn't make a whole lot of sense or go anywhere interesting. No nativities in a public space? Why did they fight? What was the point of watching some nerds get slightly bruised by some other nerds whose only apparent characteristic is a willingness to abandon role playing for an opportunity to hit people with sticks? The writing really wasn't the video's strong point. Not sure what the fpp text could have done to mask that.
posted by shmegegge at 11:49 AM on December 21, 2007


I enjoyed all three of the videos and wish I had the talent, time, and equipment with which to produce my own animated shorts.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:50 AM on December 21, 2007


I didn't actually see anyone specifically slamming the post. A couple of people didn't find the videos as funny as some of the others, but how often do we see complete agreement on what [is good] here or on the blue?

I guess I don't understand the call-out, the links we not misleading, the videos were pretty funny, and most people in the thread either said so, said that they acknowledged the quality, but didn't find it funny, or just didn't like it.

In other words, pretty much every other thread in the blue.
posted by quin at 11:52 AM on December 21, 2007


But they're lacking context, Mr. Nog. This could well have been another LOLCATfest, and we all know how well those go over here. Anyway, there is nothing else I can say in response to your argument that I didn't already say in the more inside text.

The video does go overboard with the faux-anime closing, and the Sailor Moon-reference rose thing. But the nativity scene/LARP mixup seems okay from this end. Maybe the crap detector isn't calibrated, I don't know....
posted by JHarris at 11:53 AM on December 21, 2007


.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 11:53 AM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


Yeah, but in a couple weeks he'll totally register hama8.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:00 PM on December 21, 2007


If I understand you correctly, and I think I do, you'd like more posts about cheese.

Don't be so coy, found missing, you gorgeous bastard you! Of course that is exactly what he was implying - anyone with an elementary grade school reading level could find that "hidden message" (if hiding in plain sight could be considered hidden, hahaha ROFL)!! :)

That's why I've created this fabulous and lengthy unordered list. I hope (modesty, who am I kidding - I am absolutely certain!) it will satisfy that deep craving that Mefi's own beloved JHarris has so eloquently conveyed to us this wonderful afternoon! posted by Meatbomb at 12:13 PM on December 21, 2007 [4 favorites]


tl;dr

I always wanted to type that.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:16 PM on December 21, 2007


J hope no one finds my little unordered list to cheesy, I'd hate to cheese anyone off! Hahahaahhaha, get it, it's a play on words - idiomatic phrases that contain the word "cheese" but don't refer directly to actual dairy products. :)
posted by Meatbomb at 12:18 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


he closed it without saying a word about it.

Wow, what a surprise.
posted by yhbc at 12:27 PM on December 21, 2007


ADDENDUM to previous posts

1.0 Rationale:

Now that I've sobered up I feel somewhat ashamed for crapping in this thread. It was juvenile and completely inappropriate, and in addition to that the aforementioned posts contains a number of factual errors. In order to maintain the integrity of MetaTalk as a useful archival resource these errors need to be addressed. This addendum to posts 492371 and 492374 is my humble attempt to set the record straight.

2.0 Addendum Body:
  1. 2nd bullet: I now realize that most MeFi users are well aware of bandwidth issues, and that calling attention to the potential hazards of following a video link might be considered patronizing to some. Apologies for that.
  2. 4th bullet: the connection between cheese creation and sinus infections is tangential at best. In future I'll do my best to provide more relevant links.
  3. 5th bullet: while doing a Google search for a picture of a small child enjoying cheese I came upon this random blog. Only later, after more careful review, did I discover that some aspects of this blog might be considered misogynistic. So if any of you gals want to object, well hey, you just do your little thing.
  4. The "Cheese and Grandfather Clocks" link should be edited to just "Grandfather Clocks". Cortex, if you would get on that, the community would really appreciate it.
  5. 2nd comment: The initial "J" should actually be "I", and the first "to" should be "too". I feel I've contributed to the downward slide in our community's usual high standards here. Basically, I dropped the ball. To be blunt, I fucked up and massively, at a time when all of you were really counting on me. Mea culpa, I throw myself on the mercy of the MetaTalk fuckos. kthxbye.

posted by Meatbomb at 12:43 PM on December 21, 2007 [3 favorites]


I discovered after writing this that hama7's account has been disabled. Ouch.

Wait, what? Fuck the hashings-out of post writing style—I want hama7 back!

YOU BASTARDS, YOU KILLED HAMA7!

OK, that's it, from now on all my posts are going to be one-word, single-link mysteries. You have achieved NOTHING with your murderous murderings.
posted by languagehat at 1:00 PM on December 21, 2007 [3 favorites]


Nothing.
posted by languagehat at 1:00 PM on December 21, 2007


I'm sorry Meatbomb, I am unconvinced that I'm wrong. I didn't ask everyone to explain every last detail of their posts, I asked that they just say what the heck it is they're posting about, and why we should care.

If someone posts something I would like, but I don't click through, then on some level they have failed. Have I failed in that case too? Maybe, but I'm not the one making the post. And no one else can make it better in the future.
posted by JHarris at 1:06 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


Are you saying you didn't find my links useful? Make up your mind, just tell me what you want and it is yours.
posted by Meatbomb at 1:15 PM on December 21, 2007


L-hat, the only one that killed hama7 was his own inscrutable self. He pulled the trigger after making exactly 400 MetaFilter posts, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did it exactly three years after making his last "substantive" comment on the site. hama7 was his own art project.
posted by yhbc at 1:15 PM on December 21, 2007


I want one million dollars.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:22 PM on December 21, 2007


Could you ask for your ransom more evilly, please?
posted by boo_radley at 1:26 PM on December 21, 2007


I wanna know what love is, and I want you to show me. But in the medium of a finger puppet show.
posted by Abiezer at 1:34 PM on December 21, 2007 [3 favorites]


Ah, a saucy puppet show.
posted by boo_radley at 1:36 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


I wanna know what love is, and I want you to show me. But in the medium of a finger puppet show.

If my links aren't showing you what love is, Abiezer, you'll never know it. Puppet show is going to cost extra though.
posted by Meatbomb at 1:39 PM on December 21, 2007


For those of you who didn't get the point of the OP, I wrote a short essay that I believe summarizes the main points:

An essay on MetaFilter post writing
The subject of MetaFilter post writing is a controversial issue. The constantly changing fashionable take on MetaFilter post writing demonstrates the depth of the subject. Remarkably MetaFilter post writing is heralded by shopkeepers and investment bankers alike, leading many to state that its influence on western cinema has not been given proper recognition. Inevitably feelings run deep amongst those most reliant on technology, who form the last great hope for our civilzation. At the heart of the subject are a number of key factors. I plan to examine each of these factors in detail and and asses their importance.

Social Factors

Comparisons between Roman Society and Medieval Society give a clear picture of the importance of MetaFilter post writing to developments in social conduct. I will not insult the readers inteligence by explaining this obvious comparison any further. Back when Vealinger reamarked ‘the power struggle will continue while the great tale of humanity remains untold’ [1] he globalised an issue which had remained buried in the hearts of our ancestors for centuries. Difference among people, race, culture and society is essential on the survival of our world, however MetaFilter post writing bravely illustrates what we are most afraid of, what we all know deep down in our hearts.

Primarily MetaFilter post writing builds trust among the people. If society has a favourite child, it is MetaFilter post writing.

Economic Factors

The preceding section may have shed some light on society but to really understand man you must know how he spends his money. We will study the JTB-Guide-Dog model, which I hope will be familiar to most readers.

Inflation + Cheese - Avg GDP = MetaFilter post writing.

The statistics make it clear that MetaFilter post writing is a major market factor. My personal view is that inflation will eventually break free from the powerful influence of MetaFilter post writing, but not before we see a standardised commercial policy for all. A sharp down turn in middle class investment may lead to changes in the market.

Political Factors

Politics has in some areas been seen to embrace an increasing ananiathesis of intergovernmentalism leading to neo-functionalism. Placing theory on the scales of justice and weighing it against practice can produce similar results to contrasting 0

To quote nobel prize winner Aaron T. Time 'I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in democracy.' [2] I argue that his insight into MetaFilter post writing provided the inspiration for these great words. It is a well known 'secret' that what prompted many politicians to first strive for power was MetaFilter post writing.

Is MetaFilter post writing politically correct, in every sense? Each man, woman and to a lesser extent, child, must make up their own mind.
Conclusion

To conclude MetaFilter post writing has, and will continue to be a major building block for the world in which we live. It collaborates successfully, influences the influencers, and never hides.

The final say goes to the award winning Uma Love Hewitt: 'MetaFilter post writing is the new rock and roll! And the new opera!' [3]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[1] Vealinger - Turtle Power - 2003 ICJ

[2] Time - Yes Indeed - 1987 Indegro Books

[3] Go mad for MetaFilter post writing - Issue 132 - Kendeal Books
posted by burnmp3s at 2:08 PM on December 21, 2007 [2 favorites]


I think what's happening here is that JHarris was surprised that a particular post on the blue received a bad reaction, and so, in response, he created a post on the gray to receive a bad reaction.
posted by Dave Faris at 2:11 PM on December 21, 2007 [2 favorites]


I'm glad someone knows what's happening here.
posted by found missing at 2:18 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


Though what it is still ain't exactly clear.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:25 PM on December 21, 2007 [2 favorites]


I think it's time you stop.
posted by yhbc at 2:27 PM on December 21, 2007


It's Clichéd to be Cynical at Christmas
posted by Abiezer at 2:33 PM on December 21, 2007


What's that sound?
posted by languagehat at 2:50 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


*looks*
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:53 PM on December 21, 2007


Paranoia strikes deep.
posted by quin at 3:10 PM on December 21, 2007


My head hurts now. Could you all talk less?
posted by pupdog at 3:24 PM on December 21, 2007


I'm going to the love-in, to sit and play my bongos in the dirt. You fuckos are free to join me.


*echo*
*echo*
*echo*
*echo*
*echo*
posted by Meatbomb at 3:30 PM on December 21, 2007


Let's start a hate-in instead. It's pretty much the same except it has less bongos and more double base.

We still use the same amount of booze and drugs though.
posted by quin at 3:42 PM on December 21, 2007


Everybody look away, either cortex or languagehat is about to make some double entendre about "going down."
posted by spiderwire at 7:21 PM on December 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


Yeah, but in a couple weeks he'll totally register hama8.
posted by cortex at 2:00 PM on December 21

I don't know. I have a feeling that its a countdown.
hama7 hama6 and so on until he is hama0 zendog.
posted by Sailormom at 8:24 PM on December 21, 2007


burnmp3s, I favorited your post, but I don't have a fucking clue what you meant by it. I just liked this part:

Inflation + Cheese - Avg GDP = MetaFilter post writing
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:36 PM on December 21, 2007


" I have a feeling that its a countdown.
hama7 hama6 and so on ... "


Once he registers hama1, I'm holing up in a trailer in Idaho.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:37 PM on December 21, 2007


Silent disabling is the only honorable way to go.
posted by mediareport at 8:56 PM on December 21, 2007


I really hate the word "eponysterical". Mostly because while their may be some humorous contrast between the comment and the user name, thus justifying the the 'epony'. They are rarely hysterically funny, or even all that funny.

Perhaps a better term would be "Nominal Humor"
posted by delmoi at 10:33 PM on December 21, 2007 [3 favorites]


I propose eponymusing.
posted by !Jim at 11:07 PM on December 21, 2007


I'm holing up in a trailer in Idaho.

A step up from Utah, I'd imagine.
posted by Dave Faris at 11:49 PM on December 21, 2007


burnmp3s, have you met the MarkovFilter yet?
posted by carsonb at 2:40 AM on December 22, 2007 [1 favorite]


I agree with you Harris.
I have been guilty of it JHarris
I will happen again JHarris
It will not stop JHarris
Deal with it JHarris
and:
Foo! Notary sojac! 1506 nix nix!
posted by tellurian at 4:17 AM on December 22, 2007


Hey! Where did that first J go?
posted by tellurian at 4:24 AM on December 22, 2007


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As of 22/12/07 please be advised that the current HAMA code grouping has reached its 300 post limit. Switch all translators and deinterlace filters to pre-arranged HAMA8 settings and passphrases. Cabal medical staff will be contacting you through standard IKKYU channels (currently set to iteration 2) to arrange for altering your biomedical identification data.

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posted by Rock Steady at 4:39 AM on December 22, 2007


Figures. I go away to the middle of fucking nowhere for a week and on Day 2 of my vacation, I check in and find out a post of mine gets called out (kinda) in MeTa. So naturally I have to respond. And since my response is actually pretty short and sweet, I will.

"Let us know about the creators. Tell us about the meme's history: is it interesting because it was made by just a couple of guys? Is it a parody of something else? Is the link a flash video? It'd be nice to not have to point at it and read the URL to find out."

You assume I (or other posters who post to the Blue) know anything about the creators. In the case of this FPP, I went to VG Cats (hence the via) and found three linked YouTube videos. I clicked on them and found three videos I really enjoyed.

Now, your take on Metafilter is obviously very different to mine. Yours is... well, yours seems to be that the Metafilter front page should be a place filled with a wealth of information about every topic posted there. And that's fine. It really is. I always say Metafilter is what we make it. And to a degree, I agree with you. I like FPPs on subjects or things I've never heard of and tell me all there is to know about them. But sometimes Metafilter is also a place where someone finds something cool, thinks that the rest of Metafilter may also think its cool, and posts it.

Yep, sometimes Metafilter is about posting cool things others may not come across to the front page. Shocking, I know, but it happens. And that's what happened this time.

And lo! Some people thought it was cool. And others didn't. No big surprise there.

Perhaps I could have researched the creators and added the info to the post. But even now that you've given us a link to their website, I don't know what it would have added and I don't think it would have changed the ratio of haters vs. likers. The post was, after all, about the videos, not the creators.

To be honest, the biggest shock for me about reaction to my FPP was that talk centred on the first two links, and not at all about the last one, which as far as I know was not by the creators of the first two links and was, IMO, funnier than the first two.

But such is life, I guess.

And now back to my holidays!
posted by Effigy2000 at 4:40 AM on December 22, 2007 [1 favorite]


*applies calamine lotion to Effigy2000 burns* and also says, thank you for the awesome election threads. Have a great holiday!
posted by tellurian at 4:59 AM on December 22, 2007


Wait a minute, ten minutes of a pretend nerd from 4chan talking to some random dudes over a video game was the funny link? Dude, I just want to put out there, for the sake of argument, the very real possibility that both the FPP and the links suck in about equal measure here.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 9:07 AM on December 22, 2007


I am confused but I am old. I won't remember it tomorrow.
posted by bjgeiger at 4:27 PM on December 22, 2007


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