freerepublic is watching February 2, 2002 7:09 PM   Subscribe

Oh jesus, god, no. The worst has happened.
posted by mathowie to MetaFilter-Related at 7:09 PM (84 comments total)

"have at it freepers"?!?!?!

This sucks, honestly. Seeing this just now, it's like seeing a company you created mentioned on a new thread at FuckedCompany, where all the members are saying "yeah, that company sucks! Let's bring it dooooown!"

Why did they copy the html and graphics?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:11 PM on February 2, 2002


EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS

Man, them's some smart freepers.

And LOUD too!

Honestly, let's ignore them.
posted by Kafkaesque at 7:13 PM on February 2, 2002


Thanks for the ugly-ass page, Matt. I may have to dsleep with a nightlight tonight after that.
"Metafilter Maroons" is good though. Could be a great name for a MeFi softball team, perhaps.

posted by jonmc at 7:14 PM on February 2, 2002


Seems like the level of discourse is about the same on both sites (freepers for your bunny pancakes anyone?). It's like FuckedCompany being skewered on FuckedCompany.
posted by jkottke at 7:17 PM on February 2, 2002


I'm glad the new user signups are off. I thought the invasion of the camgirls was a bit nutty, but a truckload of angry new members with an agenda to run into the ground could have been a lot worse.

I agree, the discourse on either site could be described in a similar way, I just couldn't imagine any helpful overlap between the two sites. It's best that sleeping dogs lie in their respective beds.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:23 PM on February 2, 2002


"Who are these hate-filled turds? Why are they so bereft of understanding?"

"I dunno. I'm just glad I'm me and not them. CC :)"

"So what? A bunch of goons on another board are idiots, big deal. Who cares?"

"You really need to bring their smears over here?"

hmmm..... they remind me of my two dogs, fighting to be petted first in the morning, or to get the first bite of dog grain. sorry, just my first thoughts on it.
posted by Kafei at 7:25 PM on February 2, 2002


matt - I may be misinterpreting your last comment, but it sounds like you're considering MeFi "fucked."
Please don't think that way, man. This place may get screwy every once in a while, but for the most part it's accomplishing it's goal.
And for a lot of us(myself included), it's just about the only outlet we have for our greivances, creative impulses, desire to broaden our horizons or whatever it is that drives me to post here.
Believe me, no matter how silly we act sometimes, those Freepers compare to MeFites the way Bob Ross compares to Picasso(or at least a real good graffitti artist.)
posted by jonmc at 7:30 PM on February 2, 2002


Double post!
posted by y2karl at 7:32 PM on February 2, 2002


I feel all icky, like I've worn ass-less leather pants as a lark to a bar, only to find out upon arival it is a gay bar.


Thank god I didn't comment in that thread.
posted by dong_resin at 7:36 PM on February 2, 2002


If that's the worst that can happen, I am somewhat relieved.
posted by adampsyche at 7:36 PM on February 2, 2002


And CheneyChick, I mean, there's one you won't see with a numeral after it on an AOL, Yahoo or Hotmail address. And did you check out her page? Yipes!
posted by y2karl at 7:37 PM on February 2, 2002


Ahem.. Maroons. Take it to FreeperTalk.
posted by y2karl at 7:40 PM on February 2, 2002


I claim Chief Excrement. Coming from Freepers, its a compliment...
posted by owillis at 7:46 PM on February 2, 2002


Perhaps it would be helpful to think of it like this: FreeRepublic is like the Wall Street Journal, the frontpage (post) is liberal relative to the editorial page. Everything is relative.
posted by Real9 at 8:14 PM on February 2, 2002


So what? A bunch of goons on another board are idiots, big deal. Who cares? You really need to bring their smears over here?

This was posted by Bullish on the linked thread. I agree. Each to his own. The difference being, of course, that they're a sectarian bunch of tossers, whereas we here rejoice in our diversity.

Well, not rejoice, but... ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:18 PM on February 2, 2002


I...
Um...
Ewwwwwww.

I feel so...violated, somehow...
posted by metrocake at 8:44 PM on February 2, 2002


Just curious - could someone whose comment was featured in the linked thread email Freep & tell them to remove said comment from that thread? I mean, according to the bottom there, the posts are © their original authors and I know that I for one want nothing to do with that website (but I didn't comment on the thread in question). Hell, they even grabbed the copyright notice in their haste to cut & paste.
posted by zempf at 8:46 PM on February 2, 2002


zempf - I noted that too, in the comment a few days ago that y2karl links to above...
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:50 PM on February 2, 2002


Three words:
Referrer redirect.
Oralse.cx.
(Or goatse if you're feeling vengeful.)
posted by darukaru at 8:53 PM on February 2, 2002


That.. is so.. weird. It's like a parallel dimension where Metafilter went right instead of left. I bet their Spock has a beard.
posted by Hildago at 8:58 PM on February 2, 2002


Well, they are quoting Bugs Bunny (.wav).

I've worn ass-less leather pants as a lark to a bar, only to find out upon arival it is a gay bar

So many jokes...so little time.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:01 PM on February 2, 2002


Whenever I have been angered by what I perceive as occassional air-headed leftyness on Metafilter, I go on over to FR, only to run screaming back to MeFi moments later. It makes me ashamed to have ever described myself as conservative. And afraid what the Freepers would do to me when they found out a queer was lookin' at their page.

Give 12 Freepers 12 typewriters and eventually they will come up with the word "EXCREMEMTS". I'm surprised they can even turn on their computers, what with the 12-gauge shotguns in each hand.

And dong_resin, I would get the Freeper icky feeling if I wore ass-less leather pants to a bar on a lark and found out it WASN'T a gay bar.

shudder
posted by evanizer at 9:17 PM on February 2, 2002


I was trying to figure out the Maroon thing too. Was that just as blatantly racist as it looks?
posted by sudama at 9:18 PM on February 2, 2002


Maybe they meant "maroon" in the sense linked by y2karl, or maybe it was a misspelling of "morons".

In their case, I think both are equally possible explanations.
posted by evanizer at 9:21 PM on February 2, 2002


I was trying to figure out the Maroon thing too. Was that just as blatantly racist as it looks?
posted by sudama at 9:24 PM on February 2, 2002


It's a joke, right? Right? Maybe SDB and Lileks put their heads together, kind of a revenge thingie...?
posted by Lynsey at 9:29 PM on February 2, 2002


someone should tell them that calling MeFiers maroons is as dumbass as GWB calling people from Pakistan "pakis"
posted by jessamyn at 9:49 PM on February 2, 2002


Seems like the level of discourse is about the same on both sites

Wow, I don't see that at all. We're much better! Am I that buried in my own stupidity?
posted by chaz at 9:59 PM on February 2, 2002


You know, I had no idea until now that 'maroon' had any racist connotations (it apparently means 'runaway slave')—and I doubt the Freepers do either. I always figured it was a distortion of 'moron' filtered through an accent. I suppose you find what you look for.
posted by darukaru at 10:13 PM on February 2, 2002


Y'know, I typed that ass-less leather pants metaphor a little quickly on my way out the door. Not my most well thought-out work.

I honestly have no real idea what I meant.
posted by dong_resin at 10:17 PM on February 2, 2002


Um, about that "maroon" thing. Check kirkaracha's post. Don't worry, it's nothing tricky. MeFiers have said it, too, so it must be okay.
posted by whatnotever at 10:18 PM on February 2, 2002


Does Lynn Cheney know about this?
posted by insomnyuk at 10:31 PM on February 2, 2002


Um, about that "maroon" thing.

You are all so very young here. When I was a kid, watching black-and-white TV in the 50s, I saw all sorts of Warner Brothers cartoons made in the 30s and 40s that would never be shown today, except in film festivals with disclaimers and quotation marks. Scenes of African tribeswomen with ringed elongated necks and plate sized lip plugs singing 'IGot Rhythm' and that sort of thing were par for the course. Bug Bunny could have said it, yes, but it could mean a moron and still have connotations in the cartoons implied in the link I posted above. As to whether CheneyChick understood it in that sense, it's a toss up. Would she have cared if she did know, well... Consider the source in context.
posted by y2karl at 10:32 PM on February 2, 2002


Maroon is definitely a B Bunny reference, Freepers are maroons, think nothing of either. And "Seems like the level of discourse is about the same on both sites" -- Mr K did you even read the link? Bullshit. No comparison. MeFi = bunch of questionable remarks occasionally backed by references, Freep = TOTAL CRAP.
posted by EngineBeak at 10:34 PM on February 2, 2002


EngineBeak: Every once in a while, J. Ko doesn't like Mefi. But sometimes he does. Such is J. Ko.
posted by owillis at 10:50 PM on February 2, 2002


Obviously, Enginebeak, you didn't read my comment just above posted as you wrote yours. It could be both maroons at once.
But I essentially agree with your remarks re jkottke.
posted by y2karl at 11:02 PM on February 2, 2002


posted by CheneyChick? is this a joke?
posted by mcsweetie at 11:18 PM on February 2, 2002


A conservative news forum? Great, now I'm going to catch Karl Rove saying "EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS" over and over.

I can't see how J.ko can equate the two sites, when was the last time MeFiers copied a thread over to mock it and wrote "EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS." Hey what is our equivalant to "EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS" anyway? Who cares I like it.

EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS

posted by skallas at 11:35 PM on February 2, 2002


y2karl: the 30s and 40s Bugs Bunny cartoons, like a lot of American popular culture of the time, are astonishingly racist by today's standards (like "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips," which you can see here, along with some other doozies; here's an interesting column on this topic, and here's a whole page debating this exact issue).

However, given Bugs's tendency to comically mispronounce words, like "what an ignoranimus" or "what a nincowpoop" [Mr. Bunny's emphasis], I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say "maroon" is his mispronunciation of "moron." But you're right, it could mean both "maroons" at once.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:37 PM on February 2, 2002


Jeepers creepers, where'd'ya get those Freepers?!?
posted by kirkaracha at 11:45 PM on February 2, 2002


the 30s and 40s Bugs Bunny cartoons, like a lot of American popular culture of the time, are astonishingly racist by today's standards

Which was my point. But, as your links show, the situation is complex insofar as interpetation is concerned, which is why the concept of political correctness is so controversial.

"All This and Rabbit Stew." 1941. "Bugs outwits a black hunter by challenging him to a game of craps, eventually winning all of his clothes."

I saw this many times. The older ensemble WB musical cartoons with no frontline characters that I saw on afternoon TV were much farther out by modern tastes, with impersonations of Edward G Robinson and Tallulah Bankhead--like any kids my age then knew from Tallulah Bankhead!--tossed in with "And now from Deepest, Darkest Africa..."

You have no idea how much things have changed within my own lifetime.

And yes, MetaFilter Maroons, as well as Bugs' utterances, could mean having it both ways.
posted by y2karl at 12:15 AM on February 3, 2002


Aye, this is interesting about the maroons; & y2karl, you are by far my favorite of the Onehundredhundred Club (christ I cannot believe you're so old, you have such a young mind -- I swear, I thought you were about 25 (& note, I am 22)) -- I'm just saying that, koff, laff, "CheneyChick" is qwite unlikely to be getting at anything other than a Bugs B reference. & of course, it wouldn't make any (or much, this is freep after all) sense otherwise in relation to the thread.
posted by EngineBeak at 1:01 AM on February 3, 2002


I'm thinking Maroons=a shade of red, and I'm also thinking freepers=dittoheads...Y2karl, remember Heckle & Jeckle, the most blatantly racist cartoon characters of all time?
posted by Mack Twain at 2:33 AM on February 3, 2002


Are you thinking perhaps of the crows in Dumbo?
posted by y2karl at 2:39 AM on February 3, 2002


Such is J. Ko.

Perhaps, viewed from the lofty heights of one's A-list penthouse whilst sipping a crisp champagne, the levels of discourse are the same ;0)
posted by walrus at 2:48 AM on February 3, 2002


Enginebeak--

Gawsrh! Yuh mean me?
::blush::
hyuck hyuck hyuckitty hyuck hyuck hyuck!

I cannot believe you're so old


Christ, neither can I...

posted by y2karl at 2:57 AM on February 3, 2002


Hmm.. Re: earlier comment about removing people's posts...

Matt, they should have to get permission to reproduce that from you. At least the images on top, and permission from every single post author ..

© 2000-2001 The MetaFilter Network
All posts are © their original authors.


Any lawyers?
posted by j.edwards at 3:20 AM on February 3, 2002


Matt calling on the name of the Lord.....

there are no atheists in foxholes..... ;-)
posted by bunnyfire at 3:40 AM on February 3, 2002


General Staff are usually located in reinforced bunkers well to the rear and out of range of artillery.
posted by y2karl at 3:58 AM on February 3, 2002


there are no atheists in foxholes

Nope, just functioning assemblages of organic matter with survival mechanisms and various selfish tendencies explainable by the necessity of these mechanisms for fuel.
posted by j.edwards at 4:06 AM on February 3, 2002


Y'know, I typed that ass-less leather pants metaphor a little quickly on my way out the door. Not my most well thought-out work.

I honestly have no real idea what I meant.


Since the ass-less leather pants meme is rampant all over MeFi I suggest the origin of dong_resin's inspirational flash was this fine, dry piece of reportage by Shelleyness.

I can't remember when I first saw it but it's still one of funniest things I've ever read on the Internet. Be sure to go through to the last page. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:08 AM on February 3, 2002


I'm pretty sure I posted that to memepool. It love it, it has warmth, and a real ending. I'm seeing a movie here, what studio can I pitch this to? Yeah, we're going to have to rewrite it and give it more sex though.

We're going to have to cast this guy, he looks too surprised and offended to pass up.
posted by skallas at 5:53 AM on February 3, 2002


Anyone who thinks FreeRepublic and MetaFilter are comparable hasn't read much FreeRepublic. The place is so rabid that it has resulted in numerous Secret Service inquiries because of threats made by members.
posted by rcade at 6:37 AM on February 3, 2002


Methinks we've been trolled by Mr. J-Ko. May his Megway falter and stumble.
posted by MrBaliHai at 7:07 AM on February 3, 2002


feelingpickedon
posted by feelinglistless at 7:10 AM on February 3, 2002


feelingpickedon
posted by feelinglistless at 7:10 AM on February 3, 2002


...alot...
posted by feelinglistless at 7:10 AM on February 3, 2002


If not for Miguel, I'd have no idea what my problem is.
Man, that was some serious back hair.
posted by dong_resin at 9:30 AM on February 3, 2002


Free Republic is organized as a non-commercial limited liability company and says it operates on about $240,000 a year in donations.

$240,000 a year?! I just went to the MeFi paypal link and Matt has received a grand total of $3,472 in donations. Wow. That's just wrong.

I wonder if the freepers have a sugar daddy...
posted by lizs at 11:42 AM on February 3, 2002


SHEER EXCREMEMTS? Frankly, I prefer my EXCREMEMTS textured, for her pleasure...


posted by Perigee at 11:52 AM on February 3, 2002


In the darkness, The Phantom Menace turns from the datastream.

"Excellent; soon the Freep Alliance will force a vote of no confidence in Matt Haughley, and I will soon control Metafilter." He faced his lapdog with a smile of satisfaction.

"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Mefites. At last we will have revenge... Make it so, Master!"

"Soon, my young apprentice. Soon. Why aren't you standing in the water, guarding the ford?"

"The water.. it was cold, Master. The catfish were biting my legs..."

"Give me no excuses," The Dark Lord hissed, "Return."
Returning his attention to the datastream, he watched the comments flow by innocently. The scientologists were late...

posted by Perigee at 4:29 PM on February 3, 2002


Since they're hijacking MeFi's graphics, this seems like a perfect opportunity for some sort of retort. Not that there's all that much need, FR seems to retort itself until it's blue in the face.

I had written out some potential FR slogans, but they sort of made me sick so I deleted them.
posted by joemaller at 1:31 AM on February 4, 2002


I think Skallas has a point, EXCREMEMTS, SHEER EXCREMEMTS could be a great MeFi tagline.
posted by joemaller at 1:35 AM on February 4, 2002


Among the living descendants of the maroons and the pirates you'll encounter some rather formidable personalities. Based on my experience with these folks, I'd take the word "maroon" as a compliment, one which implies our discussion space may remain somewhat off the beaten track and survive against all odds.
posted by sheauga at 7:31 AM on February 4, 2002


Are you guys going to get annoyed if I log on there and respond?

Damn, why am I asking you people? It's not like I care what you want me to do or not.

I guess it's just out of a perverse desire to know as opposed to care. Because I'm going to do it anyway.

It's just that all those repsonses where just so.. um, stupid. I mean, at least most of you make some sort of argument that could be considered valid in your own minds outside of 'pure excrement.'
posted by rich at 1:03 PM on February 4, 2002


Just speak for yourself, and not for the site as a whole, rich.
posted by dong_resin at 1:25 PM on February 4, 2002


Hey, have I ever done anything but?

Sheesh. Newbies.

(grin)

(duck)
posted by rich at 1:46 PM on February 4, 2002


Just remember to sign on as dong_resin.
posted by y2karl at 1:49 PM on February 4, 2002


Whoops, I mean jkottke.
posted by y2karl at 1:51 PM on February 4, 2002


That was a pretty stupid thing for me to type, wasn't it.
This really hasn't been my thread.
Time for punnishment.

*submits to restraint chair ala Clockwork Orange, forces self to watch "i am sam" repeatedly*

Gah! it burns...
posted by dong_resin at 4:28 PM on February 4, 2002


Trying to cover your ass, are you?
posted by y2karl at 4:40 PM on February 4, 2002


Not in those pants.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:31 AM on February 5, 2002


Wow, that was fast.

I posted a rather well-reasoned repsonse, without attacking anyone, asking what 'truth' CheneyChick was talking about and what was so moronic about stating that Bush's ratings were artificially high.

Post 7 removed by moderator.

Within a hour.


posted by rich at 2:03 PM on February 5, 2002


The truth is was out there.
posted by y2karl at 2:25 PM on February 5, 2002


I read the message before it was deleted, and it seemed seemed reasonable to me. Unless the moderator was trying to prevent an all-out unwinnable flame war between Mefites and Freepers, I can't understand why it was deleted.
posted by crunchland at 3:27 PM on February 5, 2002


I think it was because Rich spelled EXCREMEMT wrong.
posted by Kafkaesque at 3:34 PM on February 5, 2002


This guy got freeped recently, too, according to an interview with him I heard on the radio this morning. He got a lot of insulting e-mail from the site, and talk radio host Dave Ross was already familiar with the Freepers' MO. It was really weird to hear people talking about that site on the radio...
posted by kindall at 4:44 PM on February 5, 2002


Rich, did you already have an account there, or did you sign up today, immediately home in on that thread (which has been dormant for 2 1/2 weeks now) and make your first-ever post there? Being a out-of-nowhere newbie and trying to agitate in long-dead threads are both the standard MO of those who intentionally log in purely to raise hell (generally morons from polar-opposite sites such as Democratic Underground), and the moderators will nuke such posts if someone reports them, because a couple dozen such attempts to disrupt are made there every day. As such, the moderators don't spend a lot of time considering the particulars of a given incident; if it looks funny, they'll just yank it. (I presume they merely deleted the message and not your account?)

For what it's worth, there's no love lost for the moderators over there by the Freepers themselves, either. The moderators are completely anonymous (no one mod even knows who any of the others are) and answer to nobody but the site's owner, and practically every active participant there's had reponses and even entire threads yanked at least once. It doesn't help that the rules are loosely-written enough that no two moderators will interpret them the same way; you can complain about a post at noon and get no response at all, and make the same complaint at 5 pm and see it yanked within 30 seconds.

In any case, if anyone here believes that any post even slightly critical of Bush, go over there and read any thread about libertarian politics; Bush gets it worse there every day from hundreds of posters than he even does here. And if you think liberals are automatically ejected, well, go search for any posts by someone named "MurrayMom," who is such an incredibly virulent Bush-hater that a lot of people wonder if she has actual mental problems, but she's been there for years, posting away happily ... well, okay, angrily. There are dozens of other examples; she's merely the most amusing one.


posted by aaron at 5:40 PM on February 5, 2002


He's back!

woooo!
posted by Kafkaesque at 5:51 PM on February 5, 2002


It's strange that they need anonymous mods. Do they run it that way to avoid accusations of personal moderator bias?
posted by Charmian at 6:45 PM on February 5, 2002


aaron: The moderators are completely anonymous (no one mod even knows who any of the others are) and answer to nobody but the site's owner

The mods don't even know who the others are, and only the [Fearless] leader of the site knows who the mods are? Wow, that's really creepy in an Illuminati/Secret Police sense. But then, Freepville has long been a creepy sort of place in a vague, "The Wave" kind of way.
posted by hincandenza at 7:25 PM on February 5, 2002


Yes, I got a new account and zeroed in on the thread. But that is a dumb reason to delete a non-offensive, rational post.

Personally, I don't care all that much except that it just proves that there are stupid, scared people out there that have little ability to do anything other than criticize other people while not having any real thoughts of their own.

I was hoping to find out what, exactly, was their big problem, and what their opinion was other than shit, but I guess I was asking for too much.
posted by rich at 8:32 PM on February 5, 2002


Yes, I got a new account and zeroed in on the thread. But that is a dumb reason to delete a non-offensive, rational post.

FR says right on its front page that its purpose is to be "an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web." It is not, and never was, intended as a general left-vs-right political debate site. Some debate is allowed by those liberals that have earned it (by signing up, being active readers for a while and then posting in non-disruptive fashion), but that's it. If you barge through the door and start making left-wing-oriented posts in a long-dead thread five seconds later, it's pretty much de facto proof you're not there with the intention of being a productive member, but rather because someone somewhere out there pointed you to that specific thread and said "go get 'em!" (And I'll point out that Metafilter operates under similar principles: New members cannot make FPPs at all without having been a member for at least a week, reading threads and getting a feel for the place, and then posting some comments in a few threads. And many newbies that come here and start making even slightly controversial posts within minutes or hours after registering have had their memberships questioned here in MetaTalk.)

I was hoping to find out what, exactly, was their big problem, and what their opinion was other than shit, but I guess I was asking for too much.

This sentence is precisely why your post was nuked, even if that post was indeed unoffensive and rational: Because 98% of the people that do what you did (sign up, make a beeline for a specific thread within seconds and start posting from a left-wing perspective) end up doing what you just did here: making trolling "your opinions are shit/you people have no ability to do anything other than blah blah blah" posts within minutes of receiving their first responses. The moderators knew what was coming, and decided to nip it in the bud.

It's strange that they need anonymous mods. Do they run it that way to avoid accusations of personal moderator bias?

Yes, that's part of the reason. It's also so that they themselves will not get special treatment for their own posts by other moderators, and so that nobody would even think they were.

If you want to know more about the FR moderation system, check out this thread. The article at the beginning explains the whole thing, including the massive trolling problems they have to deal with.

(Isn't moderation done anonymously on /. too?)


posted by aaron at 9:36 PM on February 5, 2002


Aaron, I think you misundertood what I said about the shit comment. I was wondering what their opinion was other than 'everything is excrement'.

It wasn't a trolling post, and just because I signed up and zeroed in on that thread is NOT de facto 'proof' that I was there with the intention of being a disruptive, as opposed to productive member.

I'm not some net or BBS newbie.

(and just as a note - I wasn't making what would have been comparable to a front page post here, I was making a comment, and a rational one. It wasn't even left-wing, it was 'uh, if you don't agree with it, then what is your opinion on the issue?')
posted by rich at 6:26 AM on February 6, 2002


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