Dear internet: find illegal goings-on here May 24, 2010 9:16 PM   Subscribe

I hope my concerns in this post are addressed.

I have been hanging around the sports torrent/streaming world for several years now, and I know that the last thing anyone involved in doing the actual capping/streaming wants is to have their work publicized.

As I said, I know that the site referred to in this post isn't exactly a secret, but I don't think it should be hanging out in public on AskMeFi for everyone to see. Why make the problem worse?

Pro sports is a big business, with all the usual multi-billion dollar media companies involved. And believe me, they DO care that this stuff is going on. If it ever became an MSM story, everyone involved would be in a lot of trouble. We shouldn't contribute to that risk.
posted by hiteleven to Etiquette/Policy at 9:16 PM (104 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

Myp2p.eu is the third hit on google for "live streaming sports"; I don't think anything we'd do could raise their profile in any significant way.
posted by Mitheral at 9:24 PM on May 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


Yeah, it's not like that's a big secret that broadcasting companies aren't already aware of.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:27 PM on May 24, 2010


Yeah, if they didn't want their site public they could make it invite only, it's not really Metafilter's job to protect people from themselves when it comes to this sort of thing. May not be MeFi's place to publicize them either, but that would be for separate reasons.
posted by haveanicesummer at 9:27 PM on May 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


Yeah, if they didn't want their site public they could make it invite only, it's not really Metafilter's job to protect people from themselves when it comes to this sort of thing.

Sure, but isn't here a certain code of honour when it comes to this sort of thing? I'm sure nobody would be too impressed if we had a bunch of posts up on the blue advertising all the various illegal torrent and stream sites out there.

Yes, broadcasting companies are aware of what's going on, but they leave it alone as long as most people don't know about what's going on. If/when this becomes a MSM story, it'll all be gone. And I don't think the "it's not our job to protect people from themselves" argument will give anyone any solace at that point.
posted by hiteleven at 9:39 PM on May 24, 2010


Doesn't this MeTa post serve to do exactly what you don't want?
posted by 6550 at 9:46 PM on May 24, 2010 [16 favorites]


> Sure, but isn't here a certain code of honour when it comes to this sort of thing? I'm sure nobody would be too impressed if we had a bunch of posts up on the blue advertising all the various illegal torrent and stream sites out there.

There's kind of a weird double standard you're trying to push there. I think you would've had the higher ground if you had just flagged the post, emailed the mods to request that they take down an illegal site, and leave it at that. To claim illegality on the one hand and nobility on the other might not fly far in these skies.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:48 PM on May 24, 2010 [3 favorites]


It was a dick move by the poster, but there's nothing you can do about it. That's the way black markets work and progress. If the squares kept their traps shut there'd be a lot more of that stuff, but whaddya gonna do.
posted by rhizome at 9:49 PM on May 24, 2010


AKA "I had a good thing going here until you meddling kids got my streaming sports taken away!"
posted by misterbrandt at 9:49 PM on May 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


Sure, but isn't here a certain code of honour when it comes to this sort of thing?

Honor among thieves? It's ask mefi's job to answer questions, that's it.
posted by empath at 9:53 PM on May 24, 2010 [4 favorites]


I don't understand. If you "would strongly urge the mods to delete any references to the site here," why did you mention it three times by name in your answer?
posted by ActingTheGoat at 9:55 PM on May 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


There's kind of a weird double standard you're trying to push there. I think you would've had the higher ground if you had just flagged the post, emailed the mods to request that they take down an illegal site, and leave it at that. To claim illegality on the one hand and nobility on the other might not fly far in these skies.

I flagged the posts and posted my own comment, assuming that the mods would look at the problem at that point. Admittedly communicating with the mods themselves might have been the next logical step, but, well, I can't change the past.

Note when I made this post that I didn't refer to the name of the site, or discuss the nature of the issue in the question (only in the details). I tried my best.
posted by hiteleven at 9:56 PM on May 24, 2010


maybe because the US Supreme Court issued a ruling on professional sports monopolies today?
posted by at the crossroads at 10:13 PM on May 24, 2010


We saw the one flag and looked at it and then talked to eachother [cortex and I] and sort of shrugged. It's one of those things where yeah, we see your position, but if we removed the comment it was likely that anyone doing a quick Google would put it there because it IS the answer to the guy's question. So I know we're on the flip side of the usual illegal angle we're looking at on AskMe, but our feeling was that even if we removed the comment someone else would make it and we're not going to police the thread to make sure no one posts a link to that site. Sorry about that.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:15 PM on May 24, 2010


hiteleven: “If it ever became an MSM story, everyone involved would be in a lot of trouble. We shouldn't contribute to that risk.”

Somebody's breaking the law; I sympathize with their plight, and I don't like "big sports" any more than you do. But it doesn't make sense to abrogate a bit of our community freedom in order to fight a lost cause and vainly attempt to protect people from risks they were well aware of when they took up torrenting and such. I mean, yeah, I don't want to see people go to jail or get in trouble – but is anyone who's doing this myp2p thing really unaware of the possibility that that might happen? And if they're not unaware of the possibility, aren't they choosing that risk - not us?
posted by koeselitz at 10:34 PM on May 24, 2010


I see...I'm glad the matter was given serious thought. I have to say that I'm still not convinced that the answer would have kept re-appearing no matter how many times you deleted the first one. Do old AskMe questions really get accessed all that much? I figure in a month's time - at the most - few people would even see the question anymore, let alone try to answer it.

But of course it's your decision. Years from now, though, when my kids-to-be are asking me what happened to all the great free stuff that you used to be able to get on the Web (before Apple and Rupert Murdoch took it all over), I'll be telling them this story.
posted by hiteleven at 10:34 PM on May 24, 2010


Sorry, in that last post I'm responding to jessamyn.
posted by hiteleven at 10:35 PM on May 24, 2010


hiteleven: “Years from now, though, when my kids-to-be are asking me what happened to all the great free stuff that you used to be able to get on the Web (before Apple and Rupert Murdoch took it all over), I'll be telling them this story.”

‘That's right, children, we had a precious opportunity to fix the system by actually speaking out and getting unjust laws changed – but instead, we skulked in corners and torrented whatever we wanted, avoiding the authorities like petty thieves, until at last they hunted us all down and charged us huge fines.’
posted by koeselitz at 10:37 PM on May 24, 2010 [28 favorites]


Really all we really cared about was sports, these games. For the fun of it.
posted by at the crossroads at 10:42 PM on May 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


‘That's right, children, we had a precious opportunity to fix the system by actually speaking out and getting unjust laws changed – but instead, we skulked in corners and torrented whatever we wanted, avoiding the authorities like petty thieves, until at last they hunted us all down and charged us huge fines.’

You go and speak out and try to get unjust laws changed -- good luck with that. I'll be realistic and make due with what I have.
posted by hiteleven at 10:43 PM on May 24, 2010


All I'm saying is: when all the torrenting sites are taken down and the myp2p stuff all goes away, it sure as hell won't be metafilter's fault for mentioning them. If you want to pin your hopes to impossible dreams and inevitable failures like illicit file-sharing, go right ahead, but don't drag us into it.
posted by koeselitz at 10:45 PM on May 24, 2010 [3 favorites]


I think you're taking my comment a bit too seriously. Do you honestly think I've really stored this story up in my head for a rant to be delivered sometime in the 2020s to as-yet-unborn children?

I mean, I know we're supposed to HAMBURGER posts and all that, but I thought that one was sort of self-evident.
posted by hiteleven at 10:47 PM on May 24, 2010


But of course it's your decision. Years from now, though, when my kids-to-be are asking me what happened to all the great free stuff that you used to be able to get on the Web (before Apple and Rupert Murdoch took it all over), I'll be telling them this story.
posted by hiteleven


You must be joking or you have a very short memory. Whenever the authorities kill a pirate site, usually 10 more sprout in its place, and maybe a few new technologies to boot. You're on the winning side of this battle because the other side has no feasible way of fighting their enemy in the long run. Rejoice, you'll be able to show your imaginary children whatever free stuff you want them to see.
posted by haveanicesummer at 10:48 PM on May 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


Years from now, though, when my kids-to-be are asking me what happened to all the great free stuff that you used to be able to get on the Web (before Apple and Rupert Murdoch took it all over), I'll be telling them this story

Wait, just so I can get this straight-- you're afraid that evil large corporations owned by evil billionaires are going to spoil your ability to illicitly consume the largely-inconsequential ball-related goings-on of multimillionaire teenagers who are themselves working for and paid by billionaires who own large corporations? And all of it sponsored by more large corporations that are also owned by billionaires? This is your good fight? This is the hill you've chosen to die on? Really?
posted by Nothing... and like it at 10:53 PM on May 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


Wait, just so I can get this straight-- you're afraid that evil large corporations owned by evil billionaires are going to spoil your ability to illicitly consume the largely-inconsequential ball-related goings-on of multimillionaire teenagers who are themselves working for and paid by billionaires who own large corporations? And all of it sponsored by more large corporations that are also owned by billionaires? This is your good fight? This is the hill you've chosen to die on? Really?

Look two post above.
posted by hiteleven at 11:00 PM on May 24, 2010


Sorry, three posts above (four now).
posted by hiteleven at 11:00 PM on May 24, 2010


There are like five episodes of the Wire that were unwatchable on the library's DVD, but I couldn't find them streaming anywhere. More publicity for streamers is good!
posted by klangklangston at 11:01 PM on May 24, 2010


"Yeah, yeah, dad, I get that you used to be able to watch football on the internet for free. I was asking why anyone would."
posted by klangklangston at 11:03 PM on May 24, 2010 [9 favorites]


Who is keeping score?
posted by at the crossroads at 11:05 PM on May 24, 2010


Who is keeping score?

The first baseman.
posted by maxwelton at 12:24 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


At first I rushed over to the AskMe to get in on it before it disappeared, and then I saw it was sports viewing? Please save MeTa paranoia (MeTaPa?) for actual cool shit.
posted by telstar at 12:37 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Who's on first?
posted by deborah at 12:42 AM on May 25, 2010


Yeah, so he can't be keeping score. Ida No must be doing it.
posted by Some1 at 12:57 AM on May 25, 2010


They may take our lives, but they'll never take our ABILITY TO GET FREE SHIT.
posted by Justinian at 12:59 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Information wants to be on Metatalk.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:00 AM on May 25, 2010


Sure, but isn't here a certain code of honour when it comes to this sort of thing? I'm sure nobody would be too impressed if we had a bunch of posts up on the blue advertising all the various illegal torrent and stream sites out there.

I thought we didn't link to illegal torrents because they are illegal, not because we're trying to stick it to the man.
posted by pracowity at 2:24 AM on May 25, 2010


Oh, those poor stealers of other peoples' intellectual property.

I know that opinion is as popular on MeFi as a case of the measles, but really, the OP is the one repeating the reference in Metatalk, and the word "illegal" is used here like a badge of honor.

I don't give a flying fish about sports or illegal streaming or the revenues of big league sports, but this is a really ironic callout.
posted by fourcheesemac at 2:31 AM on May 25, 2010


Thanks for the MeTa on this, I didn't see the AskMe. Now I'm off to tell all my buddies in the sports broadcasting industry.
posted by DU at 3:31 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


hiteleven: "Do old AskMe questions really get accessed all that much? I figure in a month's time - at the most - few people would even see the question anymore, let alone try to answer it."

Maybe people wouldn't try to answer it. But I search for things when I have a problem all the time and a MetaFilter post comes up in the top 5. That's usually the best information I can get.
posted by theichibun at 4:21 AM on May 25, 2010


"You go and speak out and try to get unjust laws changed -- good luck with that. I'll be realistic and make due with what I have."

You've heard of this fellow named Martin Luther King, yes?
posted by DWRoelands at 4:52 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


I mean, I know we're supposed to HAMBURGER posts

"HAMBURGER" assholes: look what you've done. Assholes.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 5:12 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


You could be the MLK of sports torrents!

What. It's not like it's Calvin and Hobbes, or something.
posted by Devils Rancher at 5:16 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Not Me is the scorekeeper. HAHA that Family Circus is funnier than a motherfucker, ain't it?

Is this the place to ask questions about weed?
posted by Mister_A at 5:49 AM on May 25, 2010 [4 favorites]


I got some great resources via Mefi Mail (including myp2p) to fill in the gaps where I can't pay for the sports that I want (and where I can download my favorite all-time games played years ago!)

It's not the route I wanted to take, but if the NBA and the NFL doesn't see the Canadian market as worthwhile enough to offer streaming service, I don't feel a lot of guilt in taking it for free. I think that there's validity in the argument that it's stealing, but realistically, they're not giving me an option to pay for it and I appreciate that there are resources out there so that I'm not just excluded from enjoying a particular sport because the market I am in isn't worth it.
posted by Hiker at 6:06 AM on May 25, 2010


Oh, those poor stealers of other peoples' intellectual property.

I know that opinion is as popular on MeFi as a case of the measles, but really, the OP is the one repeating the reference in Metatalk, and the word "illegal" is used here like a badge of honor.

I don't give a flying fish about sports or illegal streaming or the revenues of big league sports, but this is a really ironic callout.


As I said earlier, I didn't reference the issue itself in the question, and I didn't reference the website itself in the details. Others did that, but not me.

I enjoy how people get snobbish because this is related to sports. I'm sorry that this isn't about something important and serious like graphic novels, Banksy, or (in your chase FCM) hill people folk music.
posted by hiteleven at 7:20 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


This is ridiculous.
posted by crunchland at 7:24 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Is this a good place to complain that the sports torrent sites are just like all the other torrent sites, in that people are mainly interested in seeding relatively-mainstream current stuff?
posted by box at 7:24 AM on May 25, 2010


By the way, thanks to all of you who came to my blog via my user profile -- today's post is a real good one.
posted by hiteleven at 7:24 AM on May 25, 2010


doobie2doobie
posted by Burhanistan at 7:27 AM on May 25, 2010


There are plenty of important and serious sports--the Marathon Des Sables, Paris-Brest-Paris, the Vendee Globe, SSWC.

But NFL games, or American major-league soccer, for chrissake? Those are like the Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition.
posted by box at 7:30 AM on May 25, 2010 [3 favorites]


There are plenty of important and serious sports--the Marathon Des Sables, Paris-Brest-Paris, the Vendee Globe, SSWC.

But NFL games, or American major-league soccer, for chrissake? Those are like the Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition.


No offence, but I couldn't have invented this post for if I tried. It's beyond parody.

Ya know, damgummit, the worst thing fur me is dat the NFL off-season is so dang long. As least I've spent most of the winter and spring getting through Sarah Palin's book...you know, she uses some long words sometimes, like mav-er-ick.
posted by hiteleven at 7:36 AM on May 25, 2010


But NFL games, or American major-league soccer, for chrissake? Those are like the Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition.

What a wonderful thing it must be to think your preferences are empirically better.
posted by Hiker at 7:52 AM on May 25, 2010 [3 favorites]


I'm going to post a silly callout so people will visit my blog.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:56 AM on May 25, 2010


Make sure you're a dick about it, though.
posted by crunchland at 8:01 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Visit my blog!
posted by fixedgear at 8:04 AM on May 25, 2010


But NFL games, or American major-league soccer, for chrissake? Those are like the Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition.

No offence, but I couldn't have invented this post for if I tried. It's beyond parody.


Oh! It took me a while, but I see (at first I thought you meant comparing the NFL to ICP was like a parody of Metafilter and while I don't necessarily agree there is an argument to be made there) -- you think he is saying that Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse are the standards towards which to strive, but I think the point is that they are the opiate of the masses or something. I don't think this is a pro-ICP or pro-NFL post.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 8:05 AM on May 25, 2010


Beyond parody! Let's take parody to the extreme! Vendee Globe? Marathon des Sables? I had to look that shit up, but it was totally worth it. I was going to put Paris-Dakar in there too, but I already mentioned Paris once.

I mean, I read that comment about the-web-before-Apple-and-Rupert-Murdoch-took-it-over, and then I read that comment about Banksy and folk music. It's a tough field of competitors, and if you want to get noticed, you've got to go for that 1080 Triple Lindy hat trick grand slam.

Also, I'm going to fire up the ol' grill at lunchtime--you want anything?
posted by box at 8:09 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


box: you have bested me, sir. I was totally fooled. Wow.

I like my steak blue rare, by the way.
posted by hiteleven at 8:13 AM on May 25, 2010


I do apologize for the blatant blog plug, by the way...I was looking at my stats and my evil twin took over for a moment.
posted by hiteleven at 8:16 AM on May 25, 2010


But thanks to those that came for a visit.
posted by hiteleven at 8:17 AM on May 25, 2010


Let's make up some new cultural touchstones! I submit a car window sticker of a peeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the style of the Peeing Calvin. The president of Iran is peeing on an array of those look-at-my-family stickers with the crayon-art depctions of mom & dad and each child and pet like you see on the back of minivans and SUVs.
posted by BeerFilter at 8:18 AM on May 25, 2010 [4 favorites]


MetaTalk is my favorite sport. And it's free, people! FREE!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:22 AM on May 25, 2010 [3 favorites]


By the way, thanks to all of you who came to my blog via my user profile -- today's post is a real good one.

We do not do it like this here.
posted by Meatbomb at 8:35 AM on May 25, 2010 [3 favorites]


MetaTalk is my favorite sport. And it's free, people! FREE!

Yes, but for how long?
posted by electroboy at 8:37 AM on May 25, 2010


The MetaTalk videos are nowhere to be found on IsoHunt/TPB etc. so I'm making my own.

Almost done - I've got a mirror set up so my laptop's webcam can record the screen, but how does one flip the video?

Also, let me know once the torrents are posted if I'm scrolling through the threads too fast.
posted by Hardcore Poser at 8:55 AM on May 25, 2010


Ok, but I'll just seed for as long as it takes for me to download.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:58 AM on May 25, 2010


*DONS CAPE OF REASONABLE DISCOURSE +3*

Well this is no fun!

*DOFFS CAPE OF REASONABLE DISCOURSE +3*

Gaga! Linux! Brooklyn! Boizone! Your Favorite Band!
posted by Mister_A at 9:00 AM on May 25, 2010


MetaTalk is my favorite sport. And it's free, people! FREE!

Goddammit, so some impostor named Matt Howey took my $5.
posted by kingbenny at 9:00 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Yes, but for how long?

For as long as I can manage to steal Internet access.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:01 AM on May 25, 2010


By the way, thanks to all of you who came to my blog via my user profile -- today's post is a real good one.

My left eye is cringing.
posted by floam at 9:02 AM on May 25, 2010


My left eye sees ghosts.

No, sorry: coats. I must be in the hall closet again.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 9:05 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Close to finishing the vids; just picking the background music. Should it be "O Fortuna," "Ride of the Valkyries" or "Yakety Sax?"

Maybe a mashup?
posted by Hardcore Poser at 9:07 AM on May 25, 2010


I would pay actual cash money for a "Ride of the Valkyries"/"Yakety Sax" mashup. Not my money, but somebody's money.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:08 AM on May 25, 2010 [2 favorites]


I apologize for doing something douche-y while criticizing someone else's douche-y behavior.
posted by rhizome at 9:10 AM on May 25, 2010


I still can't get over what my left eye did to Andre Rison. And after he was such a key player for the Chiefs in Tecmo Super Bowl.
posted by box at 9:10 AM on May 25, 2010


Actually, the going rate for MetaTalk is $5. But if you want a few sockpuppets to kick around (and really, who doesn't?), the price goes to $20, same as in town.
posted by kaibutsu at 9:11 AM on May 25, 2010


Or for a high-priced sockpuppet, $2000 a night.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:15 AM on May 25, 2010


Have you got a torrent for Tecmo Super Bowl?
posted by Mister_A at 9:21 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


As long as we're talking about bootlegging sports, does anyone know where I can get a copy of Dock Ellis' No-hitter?
posted by griphus at 9:29 AM on May 25, 2010


Those are like the Two and a Half Men and Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition.
posted by box


Empirical studies have shown that Insane Clown Posse is actually the Insane Clown Posse of athletic competition. In some sort of unforseen metaconfluence, Insane Clown Posse has actually managed to become the Insane Clown Posse of everything. Their actualization is complete.
posted by haveanicesummer at 9:57 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Note to self: register LEGITIMATEINTERNETSITE.com to avoid suspicion.
posted by electroboy at 10:04 AM on May 25, 2010


In some sort of unforseen metaconfluence, Insane Clown Posse has actually managed to become the Insane Clown Posse of everything.

Weirdly enough, however, they're not the Insane Clown Posse of Insane Clown Posses. That honor, as always, goes to those clowns in Congress.

What a bunch of clowns.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:07 AM on May 25, 2010


The picture quality and audio of these sites are so bad that it's not really a concern of real sports networks. Ever try to watch a game on sopcast or athe.fr or whatever it's called?
Believe me, they don't care if you stream something. They know you're going to bail on it before half time or as soon as the novelty of streaming something has worn off.
posted by L'OM at 10:11 AM on May 25, 2010


And it's free, people! FREE!

At least for those who have been around long enough.
posted by nickmark at 10:19 AM on May 25, 2010


I still can't get over what my left eye did to Andre Rison. And after he was such a key player for the Chiefs in Tecmo Super Bowl.

FOR THE LOVE OF VIDEO BO JACKSON, ANDRE RISON PLAYED FOR THE FALCONS IN TECMO SUPER BOWL.

Anyway, you're all a bunch of assholes. No doubt you are now extremely interested to hear that I have recently launched a blog, at which you might arrive by clicking on my username and then clicking on some other things a few times. Single clicks, left mouse button.
posted by Kwine at 10:20 AM on May 25, 2010


By the way, thanks to all of you who came to my blog via my user profile -- today's post is a real good one.

This is such a shitty thing to do. Please never do it again.
posted by djgh at 10:23 AM on May 25, 2010


Holy crap, you're right. Maybe I confused him with J.J. Birden.
posted by box at 10:52 AM on May 25, 2010


Hey, poster of the comment in question.

I found out about the site I recommended via google. Didn't know (though maybe I am dumb and should have) that it is in question like this.

I don't want to lend to its demise.

Feel free to delete my comment.
posted by iurodivii at 11:10 AM on May 25, 2010


What, this one right here? ^^
posted by Mister_A at 11:13 AM on May 25, 2010


Sorry Mister_A,

Feel free to delete my 'answer' in the AskMe.
posted by iurodivii at 11:18 AM on May 25, 2010


By the way, thanks to all of you who came to my blog via my user profile -- today's post is a real good one.

This is such a shitty thing to do. Please never do it again.


Okay, seriously, how many Hail Marys do I have to do to repent for this? Come on.

I thought MeTa was the place where we could all screw around a bit...apparently such fun is reserved for a certain cabal of regulars.
posted by hiteleven at 11:41 AM on May 25, 2010


There is no cabal.
posted by Sailormom at 11:46 AM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Okay, seriously, how many Hail Marys do I have to do to repent for this? Come on.

I thought MeTa was the place where we could all screw around a bit...apparently such fun is reserved for a certain cabal of regulars.


It just reflects strength of feeling against such practice. The thing that made me hate it the most was the knowing abuse - you knew your blog had nothing to do with the issue at hand, and you deliberately fished for clicks anyway. You essentially wilfully ignored the niceties and norms of the site. What makes is worse is that you seem to be a fairly active member, rather than some drive-by spammer. It's a sense of minor betrayal mixed with "you're better than this".

The screwing around that goes on in here is mostly zany hi-jinks and wordplay (with some fish, taters, HAMBURGER and beans thrown in for sustenance). That's not what you were doing.
posted by djgh at 12:08 PM on May 25, 2010


Sure, but isn't here a certain code of honour when it comes to this sort of thing?

You mean a code of honour when stealing shit?
posted by nestor_makhno at 1:02 PM on May 25, 2010


I'm dying to critique hiteleven's real good one but don't want to contribute hits to his blog; anyone got a torrent?
posted by Mitheral at 1:09 PM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


What, nestor, you think there's no honour amongst pirates and thieves?

Yarr! Anyone who speaks of my MAC address shall find hisself waking in a watery grave!
posted by kaibutsu at 2:18 PM on May 25, 2010


It just reflects strength of feeling against such practice. The thing that made me hate it the most was the knowing abuse - you knew your blog had nothing to do with the issue at hand, and you deliberately fished for clicks anyway. You essentially wilfully ignored the niceties and norms of the site. What makes is worse is that you seem to be a fairly active member, rather than some drive-by spammer. It's a sense of minor betrayal mixed with "you're better than this".

I hate to beat this to death, but I find it a tad rich that you find this "betrayal" so galling. It suggests to me that you've lived a very charmed life (or that you're young) since you seem to think I've committed such a horrible crime here.

I was just screwing around. When people got upset, I apologized. I apologized. That should be enough.

Believe me, I've done much worse in my life and been forgiven much more easily. But feel free to stitch a scarlet 'B' (for "blogger") onto my profile if it makes you feel better.
posted by hiteleven at 2:28 PM on May 25, 2010


Believe me, I've done much worse in my life and been forgiven much more easily

Maybe the best course, then, is to not be a dick rather than expect immediate forgiveness?
posted by Justinian at 3:45 PM on May 25, 2010 [2 favorites]


It's just the internet, Sally.
posted by Burhanistan at 3:58 PM on May 25, 2010


"I enjoy how people get snobbish because this is related to sports."

Oh, no, I'm pretty much snobbish about everything. (But my snark was based on the assumption that by the time my hypothetical children are old enough to have opinions, football will be so passé that the idea of watching it will baffle them—"Didn't you have Japanese Killball?")
posted by klangklangston at 6:14 PM on May 25, 2010


So then there's no need for me to try to inject a little civility into the discussion by inviting the sports-hating nerds to kindly suck it?
posted by Balonious Assault at 6:34 PM on May 25, 2010


You can try, but I warn you... we control the horizontal, and we control the vertical.
posted by crunchland at 7:29 PM on May 25, 2010


Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.
posted by rhizome at 7:52 PM on May 25, 2010


Stay pony, goldenboy.
posted by haveanicesummer at 9:40 PM on May 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


L'OM: "The picture quality and audio of these sites are so bad that it's not really a concern of real sports networks. Ever try to watch a game on sopcast or athe.fr or whatever it's called?
Believe me, they don't care if you stream something. They know you're going to bail on it before half time or as soon as the novelty of streaming something has worn off
"

Let's not forgot watching stuff on espnnameofthemoment.com. I tried watching the US-Turkey game and it was crap. I'd sit through it if I have to at that quality, but I also had a TV right next to me that I didn't want to turn on because I was being lazy.
posted by theichibun at 5:14 PM on May 30, 2010


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