Bad Deletion August 19, 2010 6:32 AM   Subscribe

This post should not have been deleted.

The fact that the same effect was applied doesn't mean that the two have anything to do with one another. They're completely different songs. Just because results were reached by the same methodology, jessamyn would forbid a separate thread? Tell me: when will this be applied to research articles? Political analysis?

If the original thread had been about slowing songs down as a general proposition, that would be one thing. But it wasn't. It was about Justin friggin Bieber. Deleting this thread just means more people will miss it. The purpose of Metafilter is not to hide the best of the web.
posted by thesmophoron to MetaFilter-Related at 6:32 AM (267 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite

I knew it would be deleted and also that someone would start a metatalk thread about it.

Honestly, there are about 10,000 'slowed down 8x' songs on the internet this week. We can't have a thread about all of them.
posted by empath at 6:33 AM on August 19, 2010 [18 favorites]


The same effect was applied as a response to the original, why shouldn't it be posted here the same way?

And the the original thread was too about slowing songs down.
posted by DU at 6:35 AM on August 19, 2010


Honestly, I agree, and it kind of seems like a reversal of the decision from this set of threads I pointed out last week.

But, there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to these things, and you should just get over it like I did.
posted by moviehawk at 6:38 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Honestly, there are about 10,000 'slowed down 8x' songs on the internet this week. We can't have a thread about all of them.

Then make a thread about the phenomenon, with many examples. This song and the Justin Bieber song have NOTHING in common other than the particular effect, which receives only mention in passing in the original thread.

Would you support deleting an AutoTuneTheNews thread if it came a day after a T-Pain thread?
posted by thesmophoron at 6:39 AM on August 19, 2010


Yes, yes it does. Either the post was about the process, which has already been covered, or the post is about the song, which just isn't FPP worthy at all.

No matter how you mix it, this post is not getting anywhere near the MeFi Hot 100 charts.

Frankly, I don't think it matter what the other post was about. This post isn't best of the web. It isn't even a good song. It's a process that isn't very creative and a 4 year old could pull off accidentally without much effort.
posted by theichibun at 6:40 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


This song and the Justin Bieber song have NOTHING in common

Well, except that they sorta sound exactly the same.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 6:41 AM on August 19, 2010 [4 favorites]


Would you support deleting an AutoTuneTheNews thread if it came a day after a T-Pain thread?

Yes. Yes I would.
Thanks for asking.
posted by Floydd at 6:42 AM on August 19, 2010 [20 favorites]


The song in the second post was slowed down as a direct response to the meme started by the Justin-friggin-Bieber slowdown. Granted, this sounds really great, but it still belongs in the same, active, still going, less than two days old thread, which most definitely has evolved into a discussion about the mechanics and effects of slowing music down.

I could understand the incensed tone if this was of some import, but it's a goofy musical meme.
posted by Happy Dave at 6:44 AM on August 19, 2010


Thanks guys. You're breaking the Internet.
posted by thesmophoron at 6:44 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


what.
posted by Happy Dave at 6:45 AM on August 19, 2010


There is an open thread about the "songs slowed super way down" phenomenon from two days ago where people are adding similar links. This is a link to such a song. A single link to a music file.

Tell me: when will this be applied to research articles? Political analysis?

When they get flagged as double posts because there's an open thread on the same topic if not the exact same thing? Otherwise not? Are you seriously asking this?

Perhaps you're seeing some of the results of the pushback from the "your favorite band sucks" back and forth when people were arguing that "hey I like this song" wasn't really enough, in their estimation, to make a post about and now people are flagging them? I'm not sure. All I know is that this particular post wasn't in the grey "let's leave it and see how the discussion evolves" range, it was in the "this is enough flags to delete it unless there's some overwhelming reason to keep it" There wasn't, so here we are.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:47 AM on August 19, 2010 [7 favorites]


TTTTTTTTTThhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiissssssssss iiiiiiiiiissssssssss bbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllsssssssssshhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 6:48 AM on August 19, 2010 [26 favorites]


If the original thread had been about slowing songs down as a general proposition, that would be one thing. But it wasn't. It was about Justin friggin Bieber.

...

This song and the Justin Bieber song have NOTHING in common other than the particular effect, which receives only mention in passing in the original thread.


File->Save As

grep -i bieber Epic-Pop.html | wc -l
47

grep -i slow Epic-Pop.html | wc -l
61

posted by DU at 6:50 AM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


It's another example of the same sound effect. Why should there be two separate conversations in different places about it? I would imagine the people who are interested in this would want to discuss and compare the differences, the technology, etc. all together. With two threads, a choice must be made about where to comment.

We all have the power to steer a conversation, so if the original thread is overwhelmingly about Justin Bieber, there is nothing that says the topic can't shift or change with the addition of your link or comment. This happens ALL the time in political threads. (Just look at any one of homunculus's excellent article contributions to just about any thread...they add dimension, alternate perspectives, additional examples, or fun little birdwalks to just about any topic. On their own, they'd get deleted, and rightly so.)

There are other reasons for the deletion, but I don't want to get into that. Somebody else will I'm sure.

One more thing though...when you make a 'bad deletion' callout, please keep in mind that you are publicly and loudly dismissing or disagreeing with not only the mods and their decisions, but the community members who have expressed their reasons for the deletion in the thread (double, thin post, etc.), and those who've flagged the post (which you can't know, but you can assume that they exist when there are posters commenting in thread toward that end). Let that be your guide to some extent to where you stand relative to others on the issue at hand. You may find it positively influences your course of action. Which can also prepare you, so that you don't find yourself unexpectedly fighting the riptide.
posted by iamkimiam at 6:51 AM on August 19, 2010 [8 favorites]


The fact that the same effect was applied doesn't mean that the two have anything to do with one another. They're completely different songs. Just because results were reached by the same methodology, jessamyn would forbid a separate thread? Tell me: when will this be applied to research articles? Political analysis?

Also, Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but he lives on the planet Endor! That does not make sense!
posted by octobersurprise at 6:51 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I've never gotten a post deleted, mostly since I seldom post, but if I did I doubt that I'd get all upset. It's a post on a website, of which there are thousands of others like it. If it's that important to you to get it on the Internets, go post the link to your twitter feed or facebook status or your own damn blog.
posted by octothorpe at 6:51 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Thanks guys. You're breaking the Internet.

You've been here a grand total of four months. The mods have been doing this for 10 years. I think metafilter will survive.
posted by empath at 6:52 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


The purpose of Metafilter is not to hide the best of the web.

Deleting the post here doesn't delete it from the rest of the web.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 6:55 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith. there is no open thread about the phenomenon. period. there is an open thread about an example of the phenomenon, a post whose first two words are "justin" and "bieber" and whose first two tags are "justin" and "bieber"

Metafilter is supposed to be a community weblog devoted to sharing the best of the web. If that means anything, it means permitting the sharing of cool new things. But as a community, there are wide and varied tastes. Not everyone will read every thread. (Perhaps because your job entails your reading of nearly every thread, jessamyn, your viewpoint might be distorted.) For this reason, it's absolutely paramount that "evolving discussions" in comments - such evolution being completely invisible, by the way, on the front page - be permitted to preempt an FPP.

The first post was "about" Justin Bieber. The chronology and causation of how that lead to a generalized phenomenon is irrelevant to the point. What was particularized is now generalized, and the phenomenon as divorced from the example is a thing distinct in itself.

Deleting the FPP serves no purpose but to make certain people's RSS behavior a little lazier. Letting it stand allows people with no interest in Justin Bieber to be exposed to the phenomenon.

Admittedly, the new post wasn't generalized either. Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.
posted by thesmophoron at 6:58 AM on August 19, 2010


not be permitted*
posted by thesmophoron at 7:00 AM on August 19, 2010


The first post was "about" Justin Bieber.

I disagree in the strongest possible terms short of violence. By way of proof, I offer the incontrovertible fact that the 5th-8th words were "played 800 time slower".
posted by DU at 7:00 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Admittedly, the new post wasn't generalized either. Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.

If I were going to craft such a post, I would make it about the phenomenon of time-stretching in general, with links about how it works, various programs that do it, and examples of how it's been used.
posted by empath at 7:03 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE
posted by Eideteker at 7:04 AM on August 19, 2010 [5 favorites]


thesmophoron: "The purpose of Metafilter is not to hide the best of the web. "

This was not best of the web, so we're in the clear. Thanks for playing.
posted by Plutor at 7:05 AM on August 19, 2010 [8 favorites]


Really, get over it. It wasn't even your post. I don't see why you're so worked up about a post that isn't yours.

So since the first thread was about that chick Justin Beiber and the next thread was about a different song, should I be able to make a post about YYZ being played at a different speed? Should we be able to have an entire few pages of posts about songs played at different speeds?

No, we shouldn't. I think the Beiber post is thin as it is. It's a song played slower. Big whoo di freakin' do. The newer post is gone because it's the exact same damn thing done with a different song. Deal with it.
posted by theichibun at 7:05 AM on August 19, 2010


Thanks guys. You're breaking the Internet.
posted by thesmophoron at 9:44 AM on August 19 [+] [!]


Oh come now. That's a bit of a hyperbolic statem#^32%^@..#FS#FQ@#$GWO?(3vent
posted by googly at 7:09 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith.

It's really not good to argue that one of the mods is engaging in bad faith. They've put in years of time and effort which clearly show the exact opposite. She may have made a mistake, but accusing her of engaging in bad faith is over the top.
posted by nomadicink at 7:10 AM on August 19, 2010 [4 favorites]


I wrote the first post. I wrote it reasonably quickly because a) it had suddenly started appearing in a load of different places and looked like it was about to go viral, so I figured MeFites would be interested and b) it's cool, in that it's a music processing turning something heavily manufactured and overproduced into something entirely different.

I didn't craft a link-heavy post because a) when I posted it, that was the only one and b) not every post has to have a load of additional links.

Trust me, I'm not what you'd call a Justin Bieber fan. I only heard about the kid when 4Chan tried to send him to North Korea. I posted it because it was a cool effect. This is another example of the same effect.

These broad ground rules and principles have been hashed out again and again (and again) here on Metatalk, over subjects considerably more emotionally heated than slowed down tween pop. I suggest you do a bit of reading and maybe go for a walk.
posted by Happy Dave at 7:14 AM on August 19, 2010


it had suddenly started appearing in a load of different places and looked like it was about to go viral, so I figured MeFites would be interested

While I'm disagreeing violently with things, here's another one. If you must most viral videos (or in this case, audios), please do it a) after it is a confirmed viral (the CDC is helpful here) and b) with context a la Know Your Meme.
posted by DU at 7:17 AM on August 19, 2010


I suggest you do a bit of reading and maybe go for a walk.

I suggest that you address the substance of the post rather than making unfounded assumptions about me personally. Flagged as breaking the guidelines.
posted by thesmophoron at 7:18 AM on August 19, 2010


Dude! Chill the fuck out. Step back and assess the situation. You are getting upset about something on the Internet that has nothing at all to do with anything important.

Other things you could have done with all that energy you just wasted:
1. Go outside
2. Read a book
3. Spend time with a loved one.
4. Ride a bike
5. Etc.
posted by chillmost at 7:18 AM on August 19, 2010 [10 favorites]


thesmophoron, if you are this angry about something this trivial, I highly encourage you to take some time away from the keyboard. This is a very silly hill to die on.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 7:21 AM on August 19, 2010 [12 favorites]


thesmophoron: “jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith.”

This is where it's starting to stick in my craw, thesmophoron. You haven't even come close to being able to say that they're engaging in bad faith. Even if you disagree with them, even if you think they're wrong on this count, what possible right do you have to (apparently) claim that they're being malicious? I can't help but feel as though there must be some reason why you're taking this so very personally. It's just a post. Given the choice between (a) accusing other people who are clearly trying to apply policies honestly and fairly (whether those policies are right or wrong) of malicious "bad faith" and (b) letting it go and walking away, I would hope that (b) would be obvious as the best course of action.
posted by koeselitz at 7:22 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I suggest that you address the substance of the post rather than making unfounded assumptions about me personally.

There are 33 comments in this thread already, including at least one from a mod, the vast majority of which discuss explicitly why this was an excellent deletion. The problem here is not lack of explanation or discussion of the "substance" of your post. The problem is that you're not listening.

While we're discussing personal attacks, telling a mod that they're acting in bad faith might be something you want to reconsider doing.
posted by rollbiz at 7:24 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


if anyone is engaging in bad faith, it's sophmoron.
posted by nomisxid at 7:26 AM on August 19, 2010


jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith.

You very seriously need to take a walk. If you are saying that you know how the site works better than all the people who have contributed to the thread here, and those who flagged the post, then you have a misunderstanding both of how MetaTalk works and how the site in general works.

If you think it should work differently, this is the place to talk about that. That said, calling me some sort of bad faith actor because you don't like a deletion, a deletion that as i said above, wasn't even borderline, indicates to me that either you are having a larger problem than just htis deletion, or that you are having a bad day.

Put another way, there are some things that Team Mod does that are sort of judgement calls, things we do that may not be community supported because of our own vision for how the website should run. There are other things that we do that are clearly supported by community feedback where we feel that we are just implementing what the users tell us to do. This was a case of the latter. If you feel that that means that I am engaging in some sort of bad faith activity, then your quarrel is with the userbase and not with me.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:28 AM on August 19, 2010 [10 favorites]


What a strange hill to choose to die on.
posted by The Straightener at 7:28 AM on August 19, 2010 [12 favorites]


jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith. there is no open thread about the phenomenon.

Go read the actual thread you keep complaining about. There's a bunch of discussion of the general phenomenon, of the software used, of other music it could and has been applied to, of related techniques, etc. That it started with a link to the Justin Bieber thing is ancillary.

The new post is the result of someone somewhere doing literally two minutes work with a piece of free software. It's neat the way anything PaulStretched into ambient alteredness is neat, and I can assure you that I personally think that's pretty neat indeed, but it's just a random blip on that radar, and with a very very closely related thread still open from just the other day there's zero reason for a contextless "here's another song" post.

It was lazy and unnecessary and it got flagged to death and deleted. This is S.O.P. on Metafilter. At that, "oh, here's a neat thing" on WCityMike's part is at least a kind of understandable thing; your grandstanding crap here about how a routine deletion of a bad post is some kind of destructive violation of internet norms is far less so. I don't know why you're approaching it like this, but you're mostly coming off as a pushy jerk.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:29 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


Oh Snap!
posted by chillmost at 7:29 AM on August 19, 2010


The original post may have linked to just the Bieber song, but the resulting thread was about the process and included links to many other slowed songs.
Not only that, thesmopheron, but the Portal song isn't even that good and isn't worthy of its own post.
posted by rocket88 at 7:30 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


a post whose [...] first two tags are "justin" and "bieber"

followed by "slowed" "down" "sigur" and "ros." If you're suggesting that tag order has weight, I think you're mistaken. Tag-for-tag, that post is as much about sigur as it is about bieber.

Oh, on preview I see that we've moved beyond this. Yes, a walk sounds nice.
posted by mumkin at 7:31 AM on August 19, 2010


Oh, man. Lately, I really think there should be a PayPal donate button in the MeTa sidebar for the "Moderator Oxycodone Fund."
posted by Gator at 7:34 AM on August 19, 2010 [9 favorites]


Ahhhh...
Occupation: Lawyer
Someone's seen "And Justice for All" too many times.
posted by rocket88 at 7:36 AM on August 19, 2010


What's a smophoron?

Does it have anything to do with Thesmophoria, or is it some kind of sophomore gag?
posted by box at 7:37 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


>> If you feel that that means that I am engaging in some sort of bad faith activity, then your quarrel is with the userbase and not with me.

My comment about bad faith was not about the deletion, it was about your insistence that something was the case when (to me) it seemed very clearly not to be. I don't want to rehash that issue, just to clarify what criticism on my part was directed toward what.

>> You very seriously need to take a walk.

No. I do not. You, and others, very seriously need to disabuse yourselves of the illusion that you can divine people's emotional states over the Internet. You take issue with my use of the phrase "bad faith" and I accept that criticism. I promise you that it is not as revealing of my blood pressure as you would imagine.

I'll suggest that a more precise phrasing, and perhaps one less prone to inflammatory interpretation, would have been to say that I don't think you are making enough of an effort to consider with intellectual generosity the standpoint of those who disagree with you. I apologize for any suggestion of malice that may have been (reasonably) inferred from my original phrasing. I do not make, and never intended to make, an accusation of malice.

>> ...

You remained completely silent on the question I asked. To repeat: "Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint."
posted by thesmophoron at 7:40 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I suggest that you address the substance of the post rather than making unfounded assumptions about me personally. Flagged as breaking the guidelines.

I am addressing the substance of a post, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the moderation processes here, and your waaaaay over the top reaction to same.
posted by Happy Dave at 7:43 AM on August 19, 2010


You remained completely silent on the question I asked. To repeat: "Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint."

I would imagine if someone were to write a long post, now, a couple of days after the first one, collecting all of the various 800% meme songs and doing an analysis of Paulstretch, then yes, it probably would be deleted, unless it was truly remarkable in some way. If someone did a long and detailed post on this here particular meme six months from now, that'd probably stand.

Either way, the portal song should have gone in the open thread and turning this into 12 Angry Men is deeply silly.
posted by Happy Dave at 7:46 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


To repeat: "Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.

Seems reasonable to me. Be sure to include the links from here.
posted by DU at 7:46 AM on August 19, 2010


(I like how, despite all this in-fighting, nobody actually has posted it in the original thread...)
posted by Ian A.T. at 7:47 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I'm pretty fed up with posts about deletions.

That particular wahmbulance has done the rounds too often recently, IMHO. If we accept that the mods operate in good faith - and I appreicate the OP doesn't - then questioning every few days this or that post is tedious and unproductive in the long run. Mods are a privilege, not a hindrance.

In most cases, a simple note to the mod would deal with most of it. Worse still, the post by stealth, where a MeTa post ostensibly reverses the deletion by the back door is poor form.
posted by MuffinMan at 7:47 AM on August 19, 2010 [5 favorites]


I just realized it's been a really long time since we had a proper flameout thread in MetaTalk. Thanks, thesmophoron, for this refreshing look back at 2005.

thesmophoron: ""Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.""

This phenomenon is not significant enough to demand its own post. Followups can go in the thread. If the meme is featured on Good Morning America next week, the community might change its minds.
posted by Plutor at 7:48 AM on August 19, 2010


You remained completely silent on the question I asked. To repeat: "Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint."

Objection! Counsel is badgering the witness.
posted by empath at 7:48 AM on August 19, 2010 [11 favorites]


To repeat: "Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint."

I won't speak for mods here, but my vote as a community member would be: Yes if it was made before or instead of the single-song one, and no if it was made while the first was still open.
posted by rocket88 at 7:51 AM on August 19, 2010


Seems reasonable to me. Be sure to include the links from here.

I should mention that by "the phenomenon" I assume you mean "the technique of playing songs slower or faster than originally intended" and not merely this recent "800% faster meme". If you mean the latter, then no, it's too late for that. Put it in the existing thread that is about that exact topic.
posted by DU at 7:53 AM on August 19, 2010


I promise you that it is not as revealing of my blood pressure as you would imagine.

I promise that I am not telling you to take a walk because I think you are angry or in need of exercise. I feel that you could benefit from some perspective. Flagging things in MeTa as breaking the guidelines also indicates that you are unclear how MetaTalk works. We almost never delete comments here. You'd have to be threatening bodily harm to someone to get a comment deleted here.

Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.

Right now, today, there is an open thread discussing the phenomenon. I'm sorry if it happened to start out being about Justin Bieber. I've said many times before that I'm not really interested in giving rulings on hypotheticals here. MetaFilter is not a court of law and how we implement the guidelines is not something that we can apply a fixed ruleset to. This is how it is, and is unlikely to change and you can decide how you feel about that and act accordingly.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:53 AM on August 19, 2010 [5 favorites]


turning this into 12 Angry Men is deeply silly.

What? You think you can divine the emotional states of twelve people at a time now? Sir, you forget yourself.
posted by octobersurprise at 7:56 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Thanks for the response jessamyn. I may try putting together something with a bit more substance if I get some downtime today.
posted by thesmophoron at 7:58 AM on August 19, 2010


I suggest that you address the substance of the post

You put a lot more time into this metatalk than you did into the deleted post, which has to be a big reason why it was deleted.

"It's hard to overstate my satisfaction ..." is just editorializing, I guess, on a slice of mystery meat. "I'm making a note here: huge ambient success." is more editorializing, I guess, about what is still a slice of mystery meat. I say I'm guessing because it's not obvious what any of this means yet. Is "I'm making a note here" a self-referential comment, as if I wrote "I'm writing a MetaTalk comment here" here?

Anyway, having read the text, I click the link to see if I can find out what this post is actually about and I discover that it's supposed to be another slowed down song by some band called Portal. Is it time to grab my best girl and dance cheek to cheek? No, because the music doesn't play. Maybe it's blocked at work. Or is it also very slow to open?

Be more informative. We should know what we're clicking before we click. In this case, you might have told people that it's another damned slowed-down song. Title, performer, anything else informative about the song or band or process. How can we slow down our own songs? How does it work? Why are their voices not low?

And still the post might have been deleted, because it's a one-song "I love this tune and effect!" post that closely follows a similar post. Maybe a big fat post about this silly fad for slow music would fly, but I guess you've been beaten to the punch.

If people say your post sucks, it doesn't mean that they think you suck. Learn from your failures. Try again some other time. Don't grumble too much or you'll be remembered as the fucker who got all shirty over a simple post deletion.
posted by pracowity at 7:58 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


It's not his post, pracowity, although I could see why you would assume so given his reaction to the deletion.
posted by rollbiz at 8:00 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


People are suggesting you take a walk because it's a better alternative to channeling your energy into perpetuating an argument. Think about it. You have choices about how to spend your time and energy. You (and me and everybody else) are choosing to be here, crafting responses and participating in this flow. But this flow isn't a positive, happy one. It's a negative, uncooperative one where many of us are expressing frustrations and less-than-fuzzy feelings. Generally, we're all butting heads in some way, and it is likely to escalate to the point where somebody will get angry or really upset. Many of us are willing to bet that that somebody will be you. We are seriously trying to help you out here. Nobody wants to win this fight more than you do, trust me.

On the other hand, walking is a completely neutral, if not positive, activity. You not only expend calories by putting one leg in front of the other, but you get your breathing, bloodflow (and therefore, brain activity) engaged in an elevated, rhythmic pattern. It's conducive to clear thinking, light endorphin buzz, and a happy outlook. Flowers, trees, fresh, flowing air and all manner of other light distractions conspire to impress their joyfulness upon you.

Nothing is lost by leaving to go prove me wrong on this point. This mess will still be here when you return, and you can choose to jump right back in it if you wish.
posted by iamkimiam at 8:01 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Thanks for the response jessamyn. I may try putting together something with a bit more substance if I get some downtime today.

Okay, I'm not sure if you are misreading me or not but since there is an already-open thread on both the JB song and the phenomenon, I would suggest not doing this today and maybe giving it some time for the post to cycle off the front page. Otherwise it's going to look really stunty, especially if posted by the person who opened this MeTa thread, which is in and of itself often an argument for not keeping it.

If the phenomenon is that interesting, a post can wait a few days until it's clearly not conflicting with an open active post. If people are already talking about what you want to talk about in an open post, go talk to them there.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:02 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


You'd have to be threatening bodily harm to someone to get a comment deleted here.

Or link to sixcolor's profile. :)
posted by ericost at 8:03 AM on August 19, 2010


"Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint."

Yes, but not from you. This thread has tainted you, and any posts or comments that you make related to Justin, Bieber, sigur, ros, 800, 8, and/or slow, will be immediately deleted.
posted by Meatbomb at 8:05 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Understood. Again, thanks.

I think the phenomenon, writ large - not just the particular "800%" meme, but slowing and speeding music generally and the strong emotional reaction people have to slow music - is extraordinarily interesting. I'd like to do a bit of hunting around the Internet to see what research exists on such things (is the emotional association cultural or does it hold across ethnic groups?). I think such a thing could make a good FPP.
posted by thesmophoron at 8:06 AM on August 19, 2010


A long time ago I was playing with AudioMulch. Very cool software only modular synthesis tool. I took a sample of Muhammed Ali saying "I am the greatest!" and stretched it out from three or four seconds to about five minutes long. I ran the output through a bunch of parallel effects path that fed back into each other.

It made a really great weird low bass rumbling sound. There was one part where an odd whistling harmonic merged with a very low growl. That bit would reliably make both cats bolt upright and flee the room in panic. This proved that time stretching, like backwards masking, is a conduit to demonic possession.
posted by Babblesort at 8:08 AM on August 19, 2010


grep -i bieber Epic-Pop.html | wc -l

I'm sorry to derail but just like the awful "cat file | command" thing, this is also a 'useless use of' situation, as "grep -ci bieber" does the same thing except more efficiently.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:09 AM on August 19, 2010 [4 favorites]


You put a lot more time into this metatalk than you did into the deleted post...

The irony of how much effort you put into this deconstruction without checking the author is amusing.
posted by DU at 8:12 AM on August 19, 2010


Threads like this, I wish one of the mods was Tom Scharpling.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 8:12 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


This proved that time stretching, like backwards masking, is a conduit to demonic possession.

Or that Ali was one fast cat.
posted by pracowity at 8:12 AM on August 19, 2010


as "grep -ci bieber" does the same thing except more efficiently.

Whoops, thanks. Although in my defense, I usually build up a long pipeline and then tack a | wc -l at the end when I know it works. The last command is not always a grep so there isn't always a -c available.
posted by DU at 8:14 AM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


jessamyn, et al.: you are engaging in bad faith.

God, that's such bullshit.
posted by rtha at 8:15 AM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


I think the phenomenon, writ large - not just the particular "800%" meme, but slowing and speeding music generally and the strong emotional reaction people have to slow music - is extraordinarily interesting.

HEY GUYS IF YOU TYPE 80008 ON A CALCULATOR IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE BOOBS
posted by dhammond at 8:16 AM on August 19, 2010


I'm sorry to derail but just like the awful "cat file | command" thing, this is also a 'useless use of' situation, as "grep -ci bieber" does the same thing except more efficiently.

It is only more efficient in terms of system resources: Dumb plumbing is more efficient in terms of human brain usage.
posted by Dr Dracator at 8:18 AM on August 19, 2010


(is the emotional association cultural or does it hold across ethnic groups?).

It always helps to bring race into the discussion. Always.
posted by ColdChef at 8:19 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Right now, today, there is an open thread discussing the phenomenon.

Jess, not to stir the pot, but I want to revisit this MetaTalk thread in light of what's happening here. In both cases, a post about a phenomenon (one about to go viral, one pretty much established) was submitted within a few days of another post about the same phenomenon. In one case, the second post stood (and we had some fun in a MetaTalk thread about it); in this case, the second post was deleted (and some tempers started to simmer in MetaTalk).

What's the difference between the two sets of posts? Again, I like you mods and understand that the lines are fuzzy here, but am curious. Was it that cortex was on the clock when the second ASL post popped up and you were around when the second 8x slowdown post popped up?
posted by moviehawk at 8:21 AM on August 19, 2010


I promise you that it is not as revealing of my blood pressure as you would imagine.

Like a jessamyn and iamkimiam have said, suggesting you take a walk is not necessarily a prediction about your bp. I don't care if your pulse is 40 bpm and weak, if you're being a jerk in metatalk over your own apparent aggressive misapprehension of routine site procedure it's probably a really good idea to go take a walk away from the computer just to get yourself out of that position long enough to maybe get some perspective on it. Take a nap instead if you want. Key thing is cut it out with the aggro; how you want to manage that and the state of your cardiovascular system at the time is entirely your business.

Would a generalized post, specifically about the phenomenon and not about any particular song, be permitted to stand? If so then I have no complaint.

It could be okay down the line a bit. I think it's too soon right now; there's a thread where talking about precisely that sort of thing would be totally welcome. If someone really wanted to try to tackle it substantially it'd be best to let the slowdown/PaulStretch meme cook a little more so that the post could pull from a richer collection of slowdowns/roundups/tools and a better footing re: any theoretical/practical discussions of the software, the techniques, etc. Looking at psychoacoustic phenomena or more general time stretching/compression theory and practice would be good too, yes.

Figuring out what specifically bears discussing that wasn't already discussed in the existing thread would be a big part of any poster's decision-making about whether and how to build that post as well. Sometimes there's just not all that much new that needs to be said.

I also started a thread over on Music Talk the other day specifically to discuss the software and technique. Folks wanting to chat more about it directly could head there, as well. Maybe I'll go mention it in the original thread.

But back from the specifics there, "well what if THIS post..." questions are always a lot stickier and more uncomfortable coming from someone railing about a deletion, especially a routine deletion, because it feels like the setup for some potentially bad followup post with an odor of "you gave me permission!" to it and/or further crappy behavior if somehow a related post that doesn't cut the mustard comes along and gets deleted as well. It's hard not to feel gunshy about going into the sort of discussion above when we don't know if someone's asking because they're idly curious or are more fishing for something to use for further grandstanding if there's any movement on the subject that they don't like.

You making a big crappy noise here this morning over the textbook deletion of a post just makes it hard to be optimistic on that front. I'm willing to try anyway, because I'd be totally happy to extend you the ceremonial high-five of audio manipulation nerdery, but you have to know that it's harder to do that when you show up looking like you want a fistfight in the first place.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:22 AM on August 19, 2010


i don't see where i mentioned race at all... are you really... do you honestly think that race determines ethnicity? there are a heck of a lot of puerto ricans, jews, palestinians, irishmen, etc. who would disagree with you quite strongly.
posted by thesmophoron at 8:25 AM on August 19, 2010


Looks like somebody forget their {hamburger} today. Groups don't always indicate race. Or ethnicity for that matter. Groups are a collection of people thrown together because of a common characteristic. Age, where they live, how many toes they have, whatever. So ColdChef, really, you're the one who introduced race into the discussion.
posted by theichibun at 8:28 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Occupation: lawyer. Big surprise there.
Joined: four months ago.

So what's for lunch? I'm thinking banh mi.
posted by fixedgear at 8:30 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Jess, not to stir the pot, but I want to revisit this MetaTalk thread in light of what's happening here.

Did you just make an identical comment in both MeTa threads?

What's the difference between the two sets of posts?

A few top of the head ideas

- four days versus two days
- a topic that is more covered here [pop music generally and music weirdness specifically] and one that is less covered here [ASL]
- not a lot of conversation [original ASL thread] vs a lot of conversation [Bieber thread]
- thing as example of phenomenon spawning thread about phenomenon versus thing as example pf phenomenon not spawning discussion about phenomenon and instead spawning another thread about thing

As cortex said in your MeTa thread "There's no real hard-and-fast rule we can lay out, it's pretty much always going to be case-by-case, but certainly stuff like this is less likely to present a problem than literal doubles or other stuff that falls into that list above." and this is pretty much how it shakes out. On the one hand, yeah I was around to pay attention, on the other hand as an absolute sort of thing, the thread from today got a bunch of flags quickly which is one of our "okay to delete" indicators. Not trying to fall back on the flag queue as our only justification, but it's definitely an indicator to us of how people are feeling.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:31 AM on August 19, 2010


I don't see how y'all can argue on the drugs used to enjoy 300X screwed music.
posted by fuq at 8:32 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


moviehawk, my feeling is the situations aren't totally dissimilar but they aren't congruent either. I think this morning's post was more closely grouped to, and more specifically treading exactly the same ground as, the original thread compared with the two ASL posts, but in addition to that the kind of flagging we saw on the two posts was very different.

Some of this stuff is always going to be a bit fuzzy; that's pretty much what I had to say in the ASL thread. Case-by-case means we look carefully at each instance, but it also means that in a lot of this borderline territory outcomes are going to be more probabilistic than deterministic; what tends to shift based on the context and timing and reception of the post is the chances of it sticking around, not whether it's a 100% deleter or a 100% keeper.

So the second ASL post in that context was sort of borderline stuff. We ended up letting that one stand. This morning's post in context felt cleanly into delete territory from the get-go. It went.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:32 AM on August 19, 2010


When we're dead that thread will be still alive.

Who here likes cake?
posted by Decani at 8:33 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Now I know what SILENCED ALL MY LIFE sounds like slowed down 800%.
posted by Eideteker at 8:37 AM on August 19, 2010 [11 favorites]


moviehawk: “Was it that cortex was on the clock when the second ASL post popped up and you were around when the second 8x slowdown post popped up?”

Actually, that's sort of completely backwards. cortex was obviously 'on the clock' for both of these situations, in the sense that he is and has been an active participant in the first '8x slowdown' thread. In fact, while I have no idea what might happen between the mods, knowing them I'd be willing to bet that they might even have talked about it when the new slowdown thread was posted. In any case, I have a feeling they're involved in tandem more often than this comment seems to imply.
posted by koeselitz at 8:40 AM on August 19, 2010


Deleting the post here doesn't delete it from the rest of the web.

*Sputter* Well it damn well should.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:41 AM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


It could be worse. We could be arguing about the deletion of a Justin Bieber thread.


*** shivers uncontrollably ***
posted by blue_beetle at 8:44 AM on August 19, 2010


> I may try putting together something with a bit more substance if I get some downtime today.

Jesus fucking Christ. Please do not do this. You've given the mods, and everyone else, quite enough angst already.
posted by languagehat at 8:44 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


How 'bout some popcorn and beer instead?
posted by ericb at 8:45 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


So ColdChef, really, you're the one who introduced race into the discussion.

Fair enough. It's hard to be snarky before coffee. I withdraw any objections I might have put forth.
posted by ColdChef at 8:46 AM on August 19, 2010


It could be worse. We could be arguing about the deletion of a Justin Bieber thread.


*** shivers uncontrollably ***


We could indeed. Except my post wasn't really about Justin Bieber (this OP's protestations aside) and I wouldn't turn a theoretical deletion of that post into a handwringing rant about bad faith deletions.
posted by Happy Dave at 8:47 AM on August 19, 2010


Can someone link to that Phillip Glass piece 3' of silence slowed down 800% please? Thanks.
posted by fixedgear at 8:50 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


John Cage, 4'33"
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:58 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Thanks, cortex, that's the one!
posted by fixedgear at 8:59 AM on August 19, 2010


Also, I'd like to hear six hours of Qatsi score sped up to a five-minute pop song.
posted by box at 8:59 AM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


You mean, 36'24".
posted by Wolfdog at 8:59 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I thought the thread was gonna be about slow music - boy what a letdown!
posted by toodleydoodley at 9:00 AM on August 19, 2010


Flagging things in MeTa as breaking the guidelines also indicates that you are unclear how MetaTalk works. We almost never delete comments here. You'd have to be threatening bodily harm to someone to get a comment deleted here.

Yeah, that's a bit of an exaggeration. I got a comment deleted from another MeTa thread just yesterday or the day before, just for being snarky. In hindsight it was deserved, but I sure as shootin' wasn't threatening bodily harm, just calling someone retarded.
posted by scalefree at 9:03 AM on August 19, 2010


just calling someone retarded.

You called an obviously-disturbed MeTa OP retarded, or implied the same. I know everyone can't always work towards making the site better at all times, but it was a lazy joke made at the expense of someone who was having a visibly hard time. The only other comment we removed was about sixcolors. So two of the maybe four MeTa comments that have been deleted this week have now been accounted for.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:11 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I'm going to coldly murder every last one of you with a rusty adze while you sleep.

/testing
posted by Burhanistan at 9:13 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


You can also play ADZ in scrabble which is a sort of great word.

/fail
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:16 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


You called an obviously-disturbed MeTa OP retarded

Obviously disturbed? He seems perfectly reasonable to me.
posted by kbanas at 9:17 AM on August 19, 2010


Huh. I wasn't really sure what an adze looks like -- I was figuring more like a sickle -- so I googled it up and realized that the mystery tool that showed up in our stairwell a couple of weeks ago is a rusty adze. We still don't know who left it there.

Where exactly is Burhanistan again?
posted by pracowity at 9:20 AM on August 19, 2010


Jesus fucking Christ. Please do not do this. You've given the mods, and everyone else, quite enough angst already.
posted by languagehat at 8:44 AM on August 19 [+] [!]


While I appreciate you speaking for everyone, I also wish you would shut up.
posted by kbanas at 9:22 AM on August 19, 2010


> Where exactly is Burhanistan again?

In between the spaces of edges, behind that place you forgot was there, a shadow in the corner of your eye that disappears when you reflexively twist your head to look, and enmeshed in that soft sinking feeling just as you're nearing sleep. With a sharp heavy chopping instrument.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:25 AM on August 19, 2010 [9 favorites]


Or possibly Sheboygan.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:27 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


It all adze up.
posted by pracowity at 9:34 AM on August 19, 2010


You called an obviously-disturbed MeTa OP retarded

Obviously disturbed? He seems perfectly reasonable to me.


Oh, well it's perfectly alright then HAMBURGER

I'm pretty sure "retarded" is a not-okay thing to ever call anyone around here (or, indeed, anywhere), regardless of said anyone's mental state. That the word was allegedly used to describe someone who was allegedly "disturbed" (not that that is a particularly stellar descriptor itself, IMO) only makes it more unacceptable.
posted by Sys Rq at 9:55 AM on August 19, 2010


Cortex and Jess : Delete or not delete? Les Funambules.
posted by crunchland at 9:55 AM on August 19, 2010


Or possibly Sheboygan.

The two are interchangeable to me.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:57 AM on August 19, 2010


Since slowing down one song is a lot like slowing down another song, and therefore should be added to the previous slowing down post, I propose, henceforth, that all future obituary posts be added to the previous obituary post.
posted by crunchland at 10:01 AM on August 19, 2010


> I'm going to coldly murder every last one of you with a rusty adze while you sleep.

You can't hurt me. My browser is using an adz blocker.
posted by ardgedee at 10:01 AM on August 19, 2010 [13 favorites]


Cortex and Jess : Delete or not delete? Les Funambules.

I don't understand. You know I already made a post about that guy, right?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:02 AM on August 19, 2010


I think the phenomenon, writ large - not just the particular "800%" meme, but slowing and speeding music generally and the strong emotional reaction people have to slow music - is extraordinarily interesting. I'd like to do a bit of hunting around the Internet to see what research exists on such things (is the emotional association cultural or does it hold across ethnic groups?).

Okay, you're starting to hook me. Such a post, well researched and organized, might well inspire my curiosity in any number of intriguing directions.

But nothing about this phenomenon is screaming NOW! THIS MUST BE POSTED NOW! AND DISCUSSED NOW! LESS METAFILTER SOMEHOW FALL OFF THE COOL WAGON AND BE FOREVER LEFT IN INTERNET DUST (all because we, the collective community, did not take this slowed-down-thing seriously enough, immediately). Seriously, give it a week. If it's still making serious waves, I look forward to sharing your research ... and joining in the inevitable extrapolations.
posted by philip-random at 10:04 AM on August 19, 2010


kbanas: “While I appreciate you speaking for everyone, I also wish you would shut up.”

Whoa, what? That seems a bit extreme.
posted by koeselitz at 10:04 AM on August 19, 2010


Thanks guys. You're breaking the Internet.

Man I wish.

This proved that time stretching, like backwards masking, is a conduit to demonic possession.

or, considering it was cats concerned it could be viewed as an exorcism... and i like cats
posted by edgeways at 10:06 AM on August 19, 2010


More disconcertingly, my Greasemonkey Deleted FPP script doesn't show the deleted post; it has the sideways ETED DELETED DELE thingy, but the actual field where the text of the post should be is blank. All other deleted posts on the front page show up other than that one. Also, my MeFi Navigator script only works in MeTa and deleted FPPs. Who may I accuse of acting in bad faith as a result of this?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:13 AM on August 19, 2010


Calculator noob. It's not 80008, it's 80085. Der. What the hell did they learn you in 10th grade?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:13 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


> Whoa, what? That seems a bit extreme.

Consider the source.
posted by languagehat at 10:24 AM on August 19, 2010


IIIIII HHHHHAAAAAVVVVEEEE BBBBBEEEEEENNNN SSSSSIIIIILLLLLEEEEENNNNCCEEED AAALLLLLL MMMMYYYYYY LLLLLLIIIIIIFFFFFFEEEEEEE.
posted by Admiral Haddock at 10:33 AM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


I believe that it is 58008, is it not? Or, the 5318008 variation is fun . . .
posted by barrett caulk at 10:36 AM on August 19, 2010


58008 would be SBOOB. Side boob?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:37 AM on August 19, 2010


Er, wait, cause you have to flip it upside down? But wouldn't 5 on a calculator look the same either way? Goddamn it. Now this is going to bug me.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:38 AM on August 19, 2010


grep -i bieber Epic-Pop.html | wc -l

I'm sorry to derail but just like the awful "cat file | command" thing, this is also a 'useless use of' situation, as "grep -ci bieber" does the same thing except more efficiently.


begin pedantic de-rail,

no it's not the same. first one counts the number of lines in which bieber occurs, second counts the number of times the word beiber occurs.

source text: beiberbeiberbeiber

algorithm = result
#1 = 1
#2 = 3
posted by nomisxid at 10:39 AM on August 19, 2010


Okay, so either 58008 or 80085 could read BOOBS, but only 5318008 can read BOOBIES.

Well, I sure feel like an adult.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:40 AM on August 19, 2010 [6 favorites]


I think all the words-with-calculator tricks involved flipping it upside down, so 58008 is correct. SEE ALSO

(my favorite is 71077345)
posted by shakespeherian at 10:42 AM on August 19, 2010


Yeah, sorry, (A)Ha(W)O, the SOP of my youth was always the upside-down method. As in 7734 and 11345663.
posted by barrett caulk at 10:43 AM on August 19, 2010


According to your link, shakespeherian, 80085 is also acceptable and possibly more prevalent.

Also: beghilos?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:47 AM on August 19, 2010


SHELLOIL
posted by Burhanistan at 10:48 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Er, wait, cause you have to flip it upside down? But wouldn't 5 on a calculator look the same either way? Goddamn it. Now this is going to bug me.

Turning a calculator upside is a commonly-recognized procedure for indicating a shift into the alphabetic register, is all. Some words work right-side-up thanks to rotational symmetry, but the calculator flip is an explicit paralinguistic prompt to examine the contents of the display in a new light.

Particularly if it's a solar powered calculator.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:50 AM on August 19, 2010 [8 favorites]


Turning a calculator upside is a commonly-recognized procedure for indicating a shift into the alphabetic register, is all. Some words work right-side-up thanks to rotational symmetry, but the calculator flip is an explicit paralinguistic prompt to examine the contents of the display in a new light.

BOOBIES.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:52 AM on August 19, 2010


Heh. BeiberBeiberBieber.
posted by Happy Dave at 10:52 AM on August 19, 2010


BeiberBeiberBieber Danger Will Robinson. Danger!
posted by Babblesort at 10:56 AM on August 19, 2010


Beiber Beiber Bieber, can't you see?

Sometimes your 35-min songs hypnotize me.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 10:57 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


"Slowed down 800%"!

WTF is wrong with "one-eighth speed", not scientificalistic enough?
posted by ecurtz at 10:58 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Alvy Ampersand: "More disconcertingly, my Greasemonkey Deleted FPP script doesn't show the deleted post; it has the sideways ETED DELETED DELE thingy, but the actual field where the text of the post should be is blank. All other deleted posts on the front page show up other than that one. Also, my MeFi Navigator script only works in MeTa and deleted FPPs. Who may I accuse of acting in bad faith as a result of this"

It shows up for me.
posted by theichibun at 10:58 AM on August 19, 2010


I just wanted to pop in to say that is this post should not have been deleted... SO NICELY.

It should have been deleted so fucking hard that it popped out the back of cortex's monitor and lay bleeding on the ground. And then burned.
posted by GuyZero at 11:01 AM on August 19, 2010


I'm working on coding a wicked piece of wc3 compliant software that I will release as a worm on the interwebs, but will only affect metafilter readers. Basically, the software will scan for what you type, and if at any point you actually manage to bang out "retarded" as a word to describe some member of the site, it will realign all the atoms in your browser into a big Hake fish and slap you right in the face.

Seriously, retarded? Such things make me want to visit violence upon people.

Incidentally, here is a website for people for whom "retarded" is a regular part of your lexicon. Make sure your volume is up nice and loud.
posted by TomMelee at 11:12 AM on August 19, 2010


I'm very disturbed by this.

Why aren't more of you favoriting Burhanistan's comment?
posted by cavalier at 11:14 AM on August 19, 2010


And if someone could figure out a way to pull the track out of the soundcloud player so that it could be properly meditated to, that would be great.

DirectAudio! It's what's for dinner.
posted by cavalier at 11:16 AM on August 19, 2010


Yes, if you favorite that comment I will promise to chop you up in your sleep last. But I might pull a John Matrix on you anyway.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:17 AM on August 19, 2010


The sad thing is that what's upsetting me the most about this thread is the frequency with which people are misspelling Bieber.
posted by dfan at 11:23 AM on August 19, 2010


if someone could figure out a way to pull the track out of the soundcloud player

Open the page source with firebug, find the mp3 link, copy and paste to new browser window/tab.

or so I've heard.
posted by nomisxid at 11:28 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Hours later: fair enough, jess and josh. Thanks. And yes, I had my thread from the other day open and mistakenly posted it. You can delete from there if you want.
posted by moviehawk at 11:29 AM on August 19, 2010


dfan: "The sad thing is that what's upsetting me the most about this thread is the frequency with which people are misspelling Bieber"

Anyone who can spell her name right better be a 12 year old girl.
posted by theichibun at 11:29 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


TomMelee: "I'm working on coding a wicked piece of wc3 compliant software that I will release as a worm on the interwebs, but will only affect metafilter readers. Basically, the software will scan for what you type, and if at any point you actually manage to bang out "retarded" as a word to describe some member of the site, it will realign all the atoms in your browser into a big Hake fish and slap you right in the face.

Seriously, retarded? Such things make me want to visit violence upon people.

Incidentally, here is a website for people for whom "retarded" is a regular part of your lexicon. Make sure your volume is up nice and loud."

Potentially triggering seizures isn't cool.

posted by ShawnStruck at 11:35 AM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


My favorite part of this is that WCityMike (you know, the one who posted it over there) never showed up here.
posted by smackfu at 11:40 AM on August 19, 2010


Hours later: fair enough, jess and josh. Thanks. And yes, I had my thread from the other day open and mistakenly posted it. You can delete from there if you want.

No, no biggie. Just wanted to make sure you didn't think that was like a workable standard approach or anything. Tab confusion gets us all sometimes.

My favorite part of this is that WCityMike (you know, the one who posted it over there) never showed up here.

Well, it's not a callout about his behavior or anything and as far as I can tell he had nothing to do with this post being made, so I'm not sure there's anything notable about him not showing up. He can if he wants to but having a post deleted for being meh is not really something that demands a response.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:54 AM on August 19, 2010


TomMelee: "I'm working on coding a wicked piece of wc3 compliant software that I will release as a worm on the interwebs, but will only affect metafilter readers. Basically, the software will scan for what you type, and if at any point you actually manage to bang out "retarded" as a word to describe some member of the site, it will realign all the atoms in your browser into a big Hake fish and slap you right in the face."

1) If it was smart enough to actually tell the difference between me calling this idea retarded (for example) and an honest discussion of the mentally ill (or even a meta-discussion about the word retarded), this would be a groundbreaking piece of AI work deserving of a Turing Award.

2) You mean w3c?

3) What do you mean by wc3/w3c compliant software? Do you mean it complies with one of their standard? Which one? Or all of them? Why does it matter?

4) A browser is a piece of software, so there aren't really any atoms that comprise it. Do you mean the atoms on the hard drive platter that store the program? Or the atoms in the memory that are storing the running copy and allocated memory? Because I'm betting that combined, those only add up to a handful of grams, if that much.

5) A slapped-with-a-fish threat? What is this, mIRC?
posted by Plutor at 11:56 AM on August 19, 2010


Plutor: "mentally ill"

Ugh, I meant "handicapped". Sigh.
posted by Plutor at 11:56 AM on August 19, 2010


It is only more efficient in terms of system resources: Dumb plumbing is more efficient in terms of human brain usage.

Pray tell, how does it cost more brain power to write
<file command
compared to
cat file | command
no it's not the same. first one counts the number of lines in which bieber occurs, second counts the number of times the word beiber occurs.

ORLY?
$ echo beiberbeiberbeiber | grep -c beiber
1

$ echo beiberbeiberbeiber | grep beiber | wc -l
1
posted by Rhomboid at 11:56 AM on August 19, 2010


Open the page source with firebug, find the mp3 link, copy and paste to new browser window/tab.

or so I've heard.


Hm. They've told ya wrong, or they updated, because

[link href="http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fxihilisk%2Fstill-alive-from-portal-slowed-down-800&color=3b5998&auto_play=true&show_artwork=false" rel="video_src" ]


Don't look mp3ish to me.

*downloads paulstretch*
posted by cavalier at 11:57 AM on August 19, 2010


Ahhhh...
Occupation: Lawyer
Someone's seen "And Justice for All" too many times.
posted by rocket88 at 10:36 AM

Occupation: lawyer. Big surprise there.
Joined: four months ago.

So what's for lunch? I'm thinking banh mi.
posted by fixedgear


Since when is it cool to use someone's occupation or length of mefi membership against them? That is bullshit. You checked his profile and came back with ammo that has nothing to do with this MeTa in order to snark and be flippantly dismissive?
posted by futz at 11:58 AM on August 19, 2010 [7 favorites]


Occupation: lawyer. Big surprise there.
Joined: four months ago.

So what's for lunch? I'm thinking banh mi.


(Not really a reflection on the OP, I swear)

The ongoing debate between me and my lawyer friends is a nature/nurture distinction: does Law School attract assholes, or does it actually make assholes? There is a decent case to be made both ways.
posted by norm at 12:03 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Rhomboid: "Pray tell, how does it cost more brain power to write
< file command
compared to
cat file | command
"

Agh, that's your suggestion? If you're going to complain about doing something slower, at least use A METHOD THAT'S ACTUALLY FASTER:
$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do cat /usr/share/dict/words | grep -ic stupid &>/dev/null; done
real	0m14.679s
user	0m14.197s
sys	0m0.372s

$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do < /usr/share/dict/words grep -ic stupid &>/dev/null; done
real	0m14.727s
user	0m14.337s
sys	0m0.188s

$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do grep -ic stupid $X &>/dev/null; done
real	0m0.246s
user	0m0.096s
sys	0m0.104s
posted by Plutor at 12:04 PM on August 19, 2010


That's the URL of the player object, not the mp3. The URL of the mp3 is http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/WPraG2oVoEDh?stream_token=Qibri.

Note: if the link doesn't work for you then it's because of anti-hotlinking measures which means there's likely a unique stream_token value for each IP address. Instead of futzing around in the page source which does not have the URL, what you want to do is open up the Firebug Net panel (or Adblock panel) that shows all the URLs accessed by the page and look for the mp3 object there.
posted by Rhomboid at 12:05 PM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


My favorite part of this is that WCityMike (you know, the one who posted it over there) never showed up here.

He has a job. He mentioned it elsewhere in MeTa recently. Good on him.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:05 PM on August 19, 2010


Look, a bug. So everyone's wrong:
$ time for N in `seq 1 $X`; do grep -ic stupid /usr/share/dict/words &>/dev/null; done
real	0m14.231s
user	0m13.905s
sys	0m0.156s
posted by Plutor at 12:06 PM on August 19, 2010


I really think your example is flawed, there is no reason why redirection would be any slower or faster than specifying the filename to grep. And what is $X? Are you sure you're not trying to grep a nonexistent file?
posted by Rhomboid at 12:09 PM on August 19, 2010


I have no fucking clue what you guys are talking about.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:09 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


The ongoing debate between me and my lawyer friends is a nature/nurture distinction: does Law School attract assholes, or does it actually make assholes? There is a decent case to be made both ways.

Starting my second year of law school in a few weeks, I stand by nature. Within 2 weeks or so I was able to tell who the assholes in my class were. Law school's good, but there's no way it can act that fast.
posted by Lemurrhea at 12:10 PM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Plutor, you obviously are lacking your sarcasm gene there buddy.

And no, I don't give one half an an iota of a nanofuck whether you describe an idea or a person as retarded (and the example I was speaking of specifically called the person retarded), it should not be a part of anything anyone says to anyone on this site.
posted by TomMelee at 12:14 PM on August 19, 2010


Tough week to be an admin around here is all I can think.
posted by nola at 12:16 PM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


And FYI, on my system the redirection and filename methods are faster than the pipeline method. This is clearly not a good benchmark, but it's irrelevant because my primary gripe with this construction is not performance but ugliness -- it's not using the right tool for the job. You don't pound in nails with wrenches.
posted by Rhomboid at 12:16 PM on August 19, 2010


I made you all this.
posted by boo_radley at 12:25 PM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]



Tough week to be an admin around here is all I can think


Holy fuck, no fucking shit. I know the economy is sucking donkey balls, but I hope you guys are getting some kind of raise. Or a workplace benefit. Maybe something less than a 401k but something more than a basketball hoop over the wastebasket.
posted by angrycat at 12:28 PM on August 19, 2010


Rhomboid: "You don't pound in nails with wrenches."

Hammerwrench disagrees with you. (please note the site name for an extra geek in-joke)
posted by boo_radley at 12:31 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


My workplace benefit is that I've been able to pay my mortgage, record like three songs in the last two weeks during the workday, and wear pants only when I feel like it. It's been nutty, no question, this has not been a great few days, but I still love this job.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:32 PM on August 19, 2010


Tough week to be an admin around here is all I can think.

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop [drinking | smoking | sniffing glue | amphetamines | being a mod]."
posted by komara at 12:34 PM on August 19, 2010


My workplace benefit is that I live in the most amazing place on earth, can take time off when I need it, never set an alarm clock, have written a book this spring/summer (and gotten good advice for it form here), have a huge group of on- and off-line friends and get random stuff in the mail from around the world on a regular basis. My co-workers are interesting and creative and there is never a dull moment. Appreciate the concern, but I'm fine.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:36 PM on August 19, 2010 [3 favorites]


Wait, y'all get paid? Who did my $5 go to?
posted by theichibun at 12:47 PM on August 19, 2010


(my favorite is 71077345)

I learned this one (in the Eighties) by way of a story:

142 Iranians (punch in 142) were fighting with 154 Iraqis (punch in 154) over 69 oil wells (punch in 69) for 5 Days.( punch in x 5) What company owned the wells? (hit enter and turn calculator over - SHELLOIL) 14215469*5 = 71011345
posted by namewithoutwords at 12:50 PM on August 19, 2010


You heard them, folks. We're not coming even close to stirring up the requisite amount of shit here. They're still content. Okay, Tom, you go pick a thread to call someone a fucking douchebag. Linda, I want you over in Ask telling people that their silly questions are unanswerable and that they should consult a doctor-lawyer. Yes, insist that this be one person. You, with the shoes, I don't know your name, but I want you self-linking, stat. *claps hands briskly* MOVE OUT, PEOPLE!
posted by Skot at 12:51 PM on August 19, 2010 [10 favorites]


Within 2 weeks or so I was able to tell who the assholes in my class were. Law school's good, but there's no way it can act that fast.

Sure, but the fact that you can tell who the assholes are is a sure sign that you're not done yet (emoticon of choice). By graduation, the amount of non-assholes is statistically insignificant. Incidentally, my wife always asked why I didn't wind up with many friends from law school (I have about five). Uh, have you met lawyers? Jesus.
posted by norm at 12:52 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


We're not coming even close to stirring up the requisite amount of shit here.

My other workplace benefit is quietly banning agitators not just from future participation on the site but from history itself. Ask Paphnuty if you don't believe me.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:55 PM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Can someone link to that Phillip Glass piece 3' of silence slowed down 800% please? Thanks.

Aww, now I really want to hear what "three feet of silence" by Phillip Glass sounds like...
posted by nanojath at 12:57 PM on August 19, 2010


Wait, y'all get paid? Who did my $5 go to?

It went to cortex for some Voodoo Doughnuts.
posted by ericb at 12:58 PM on August 19, 2010


Man, calling Bieber a GIRL! What an insult!

Hey, look at that person, I don't like their singing style and high pubescent voice. They must have a VAGINA.
posted by frecklefaerie at 1:00 PM on August 19, 2010 [5 favorites]


Does it have anything to do with Thesmophoria, or is it some kind of sophomore gag?

I can't imagine anyone cares at this point, but it literally means law-giver, and presumably is related to the aforementioned being-a-lawyer thing.

That or he's really into aspects of Demeter.
posted by Copronymus at 1:01 PM on August 19, 2010


Ask Paphnuty if you don't believe me.

What's the Paphnuty story?
posted by ericb at 1:04 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Aww, now I really want to hear what "three feet of silence" by Phillip Glass sounds like...

DOODLE-DO doodle-do DOODLE-DO doodle-do DOODLE-DO doodle-do
BA-dum, BA-dum, ba-DUM, ba-DUM
DOODLE-DO doodle-do DOODLE-DO doodle-do DOODLE-DO doodle-do
BA-dum, BA-dum, ba-DUM, ba-DUM
Doodle-doodle-DOODLE-doodle
Doodle-doodle-DOODLE-doodle
BA-dum, BA-dum, ba-DUM, ba-DUM

(repeat x37)
posted by shakespeherian at 1:04 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


What's the Paphnuty story?

Yeah, these references mystify me too. I thought I knew all the really big mefi controversies.
posted by CunningLinguist at 1:12 PM on August 19, 2010


I think it's a faux controversy to keep everyone guessing.

Also, Rhomboid totally schooled me on how to use firebug so that nomisixid didn't have to. Teach a nerd to fish for URLs...
posted by cavalier at 1:16 PM on August 19, 2010


Paphnuty's schtick was all deleted for fear of lawsuits. He's a punk anyway.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:22 PM on August 19, 2010


So this is just a sockpuppet goofing?

Actually, that makes more sense than what I originally thought.
posted by CunningLinguist at 1:22 PM on August 19, 2010


The most clever trick Paphnuty ever played was to convince mankind that he didn't exist...
posted by Burhanistan at 1:38 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


It's a joke so esoteric even I pretty much don't get it so don't worry about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 1:39 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Aww, now I really want to hear what "three feet of silence" by Phillip Glass sounds like...

Per Einstein, this would be 3.0547 * 10^(-9) seconds of silence.
posted by Ipsifendus at 1:51 PM on August 19, 2010


Really, get over it. It wasn't even your post. I don't see why you're so worked up about a post that isn't yours.
First they came for the Portalite, and I did not speak up, because I was a Bieberite...
posted by coolguymichael at 1:54 PM on August 19, 2010


Per Einstein, this would be 3.0547 * 10^(-9) seconds of silence.

That's the version by Phillip Vacuum. The version by Phillip Glass takes about 4.5 nanoseconds.
posted by GuyZero at 1:56 PM on August 19, 2010 [11 favorites]


frecklefaerie: "Man, calling Bieber a GIRL! [mefi] What an insult!

Hey, look at that person, I don't like their singing style and high pubescent voice. They must have a VAGINA
"

No, actually I've heard literally tons of people tell me that they thought those songs were sung by a girl. Including 12 year old girls. It's not that I don't like it (which I don't), it's that it really sounds like a girl singing. Much in the way that a lot of Michael Jackson sounds like a girl. Except, um, girlier?
posted by theichibun at 1:57 PM on August 19, 2010


http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/12/Calling_All_Justin_Bieber_Lesbian_Lookalikes/
posted by box at 2:22 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


I don't agree with any of it.
posted by TwelveTwo at 2:50 PM on August 19, 2010


I can't believe no one liked my perfect textual rendition of a Philip Glass piece.
posted by shakespeherian at 3:22 PM on August 19, 2010


I can't believe no one liked my perfect textual rendition of a Philip Glass piece.

I love it. I'm just waiting for the next melody or theme to change before I favorite it, which I'm assuming is sometime next month.
posted by loquacious at 3:44 PM on August 19, 2010


have you no patience?
posted by kuujjuarapik at 4:47 PM on August 19, 2010


This thread should be sped up.
posted by jonmc at 4:54 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


smackfu: My favorite part of this is that WCityMike (you know, the one who posted it over there) never showed up here.

The thread was begun at 8:32 am CDT, which is two minutes after I begin work for the day. It's now 6:34 pm CDT, and I arrived home about fifteen minutes ago.

I respectfully disagree with Jessamyn, and think it's another bad call. I think when analyzing music, it's the end result and not the methodology by which the result was accomplished; to me, this is like writing off a FPP about a waltz because another waltz by a different composer also recently FPP'd. It's the end experience.

But that's fine. I'm not being rude to Jessamyn by simply saying I disagree with her. Jessamyn is a strong woman and doesn't need to be defended from the simple act of someone disagreeing with her.

I thank the OP of this thread for her spirited defense of the post, and she makes and defends the thesis present in my second paragraph better than I would have, but I disagree with her on Jessamyn's bad faith. Wikipedia shortcuts it well: bad faith is essentially a synonym for a malicious motive. I assume the best about people until they give me reason not to. Jessamyn's never given me reason not to. I disagree with her decision wholeheartedly, but I also wholeheartedly believe it was made in good faith.

As I read this, though, I am kind of going "what the fuck," though; there are some pretty nasty argumentative tactics being used above.

I am also wondering whether to read smackfu's comment literally – i.e., whether to read it as he's literally glad I hadn't shown up in this thread. Couple that with cribcage believing that it's appropriate to suggest to me that I should self-exile myself from MeTa ...
posted by WCityMike at 4:56 PM on August 19, 2010


I respectfully disagree with Jessamyn, and think it's another bad call.

FWIW, you disagree with me as well, and a bunch of people who flagged your post for deletion. Please do not frame this as a mano-a-mano thing devoid of a larger community context.

I think when analyzing music, it's the end result and not the methodology by which the result was accomplished; to me, this is like writing off a FPP about a waltz because another waltz by a different composer also recently FPP'd. It's the end experience.

I think you are significantly trivializing the connection between your post this morning and thread two days ago in defense of what was a very weak post. Like I said earlier, I totally get "this is neat" as the impetus for a not-great post and it's not a big deal on that front, but this was pretty textbook stuff and you should have either made the reference to the Still Alive processing in the existing thread or made some sort of actual substantial post that justified revisiting the exact same phenomenon so soon after.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:11 PM on August 19, 2010


You could add it to the original thread with "Here's Still Alive done with the exact same effect isn't it cool?" and it would not look out of place.

It should have just been added to the original thread.
posted by Talez at 5:17 PM on August 19, 2010


Jessamyn is a strong woman and doesn't need to be defended from the simple act of someone disagreeing with her.

So you're saying that most women aren't strong?
posted by item at 5:23 PM on August 19, 2010


cortex: Please do not frame this as a mano-a-mano thing devoid of a larger community context.

I suppose I could see how you could read mano a mano framing from the phrasing, but it wasn't intended as such.
posted by WCityMike at 5:29 PM on August 19, 2010


Item: So you're saying that most women aren't strong?

I'd be interested to hear what train of deduction led you to create the premise "most women aren't strong" from the sentence of mine you quoted.
posted by WCityMike at 5:32 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


I never even opened the Justin Bieber thread, so I would have completely missed it if thesmophoron hadn't posted it here. So thanks, thesmophoron.
posted by homunculus at 5:33 PM on August 19, 2010


Maybe one good step would have been some indication of what the original track is other than parsing from a Soundcloud URL and page title? Is this from the video game Portal?

Otherwise I could post 'this is a cool track, it makes me really happy in a musicological sense' threads every day, and I would be pretty lame if I was that guy.

this is a cool track, it makes me really happy in a musicological sense
posted by setanor at 5:36 PM on August 19, 2010


I'd be interested to hear what train of deduction led you to create the premise "most women aren't strong" from the sentence of mine you quoted.

Why did you even say it to begin with? She was being defended from personal attacks on motive earlier on the thread, something irrelevant to your sentence. Did anyone defend her against your disagreement since you first wrote it in the box?
posted by setanor at 5:38 PM on August 19, 2010


If cortex had been the deleting mod you would've written "cortex is a strong man and doesn't need to be defended from the simple act of someone disagreeing with him."?
posted by item at 5:48 PM on August 19, 2010


Cortex said "wear pants only when I feel like it. It's been nutty"

*SNORT*

Thank god, this thread was making me feel like an uncomfortable family at an intervention.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 5:51 PM on August 19, 2010


So you're saying people shouldn't feel comfortable intervening in their friends' lives?
posted by shakespeherian at 5:54 PM on August 19, 2010


Seriously Item?
posted by Think_Long at 5:55 PM on August 19, 2010


Item: If cortex had been the deleting mod you would've written "cortex is a strong man and doesn't need to be defended from the simple act of someone disagreeing with him."?

Lauding the presence of a quality in someone doesn't suggest that a deficiency of that quality is the norm. I'm choosing not to discuss this with you or setanor any further, though, so interpret that choice however you like.
posted by WCityMike at 6:00 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


I also didn't open the Bieber thread (I don't read Gaga threads either) but caught the post with the deleted threads thing. While the deletion reason is cool and everything I think some comments here are being a uncharitable about the reason for posting this objection.

Reading the comments made by thesmophoron in the deleted thread it seemed obvious to me that he's just heard a piece of music that he's loved:

Wow. I love this. I wonder what happens when you do this to The Burning Bush from the Prince of Egypt soundtrack?
[...]
10:55 just brought tears to my eyes and gave me goosebumps. This is fantastic.


When that happens and you think it's going to be hidden in some Bieber shit, which to the poster might be a tragedy, it's easy to see how an emotional reaction to a deletion might happen. But as usual in the filter that is MeTa, he's given the most uncharitable reading ever, his phrasing is beanplated until he's a bad person and he's told that he's coming off as weird or aggressive or whatever. When people come here to complain, they're immediately stuck into some sort of parrallel universe where they're either attacking mods, weird because they don't post enough to discuss a particular subject more than one comment per meta or just not getting community rules.

I just don't get why MeTa has to be the place where Defenders of Truth and Justice Metafilter have to gather to lay the smackdown on people who disagree with them, even if that person is Totally Like Wrong OMg. I get that you like the forum and the mods but doing it without personal attacks would be cool, even if the simple act of me typing that proves I don't get MeTa culture and should be burned at the stake for some bizarre apostacy. When people disagree with a mod decision it isn't a full on anthrax attack and nobody needs to physically don anti chemical warfare suits to armchair psychoanalyse the perpetrator to death.

So for what it's worth I get where the OP is coming from and sympathise that a piece of music he wants to be shared will be hidden in another thread, although I disagree that a) it's a piece of music worth getting ripped to shreds for or b) that the deletion was in any way uncool.

So you're saying that most women aren't strong?

That is an absolutely bizarre sentence and only doesn't look that way because it is in a thread as mindblowingly unawesome as this one.
posted by shinybaum at 6:01 PM on August 19, 2010 [2 favorites]


Seriously Item?

I have no idea. Seriously.
posted by item at 6:09 PM on August 19, 2010


boo_radley. I don't know what the fuck that was but I feel like I've been awakened from a coma after being abducted by aliens. Not 3rd encounter aliens but signs aliens, and I'm creeped out as hell. Nice work!
posted by white_devil at 6:28 PM on August 19, 2010


white_devil: it's the metafilter podcast intro played at 1/8th normal speed.
posted by boo_radley at 6:45 PM on August 19, 2010


I thank the OP of this thread for her spirited defense of the post, and she makes and defends the thesis present in my second paragraph better than I would have, but I disagree with her on Jessamyn's bad faith.

Thesmophoron is a guy.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:45 PM on August 19, 2010


does Law School attract assholes, or does it actually make assholes?

All the lawyers I know were raised by lawyers so they never really had a chance.
Made for fun Diplomacy games though.
posted by Tenuki at 7:07 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


Searching for "Paphnuty" set me on this gem of a thread, which had this comment by Kattullus, which made me go, "Huh? She's right."

Now I want a bagel.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:08 PM on August 19, 2010


You can also play ADZ in scrabble which is a sort of great word

I've been playing the iPhone scrabble ripoff "words with friends" with some people a lot more experienced than I with this game. Some words from my current games, apparently all in the official scrabble dictionary (I checked because, what the hell?): qi, haj, si, mazer, doziers, fe, awa, faugh, neif, kraft, hoy, adit, derm, fa, ai, loth, bora, oi, vas, ama, tau, ti, dey, ayes, kat, kor, en, na, bo.

Seriously, I refuse to believe these are real words. I've taken to the chicken-squirrel method at this point.
posted by cj_ at 7:22 PM on August 19, 2010


* reads thread *
* gets alarmed at the unusual level of tension *
* decides to resort to sheer nonsense in order to break the tension *




LOUD NOISES!

I LOVE LAMP!

WHEN COME BACK BRING PIE!

FIGGIT THE BROMPHULTY!

POING!



* blinks at all in room, hoping that worked *
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:00 PM on August 19, 2010


"I LOVE LAMP!"

Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?

Also: SPORK!

WOBBLY BITS!

BRIGHTLY COLOURED BATHTUBS FULL OF UNDULATING POWER TOOLS!

PANTS WITH NO POCKETS!

SPLUNGE!
posted by Hardcore Poser at 8:41 PM on August 19, 2010


"I LOVE LAMP!"

Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?


Many of you feel bad for this lamp. That's because you are crazy. It has no feelings.
posted by tracicle at 8:51 PM on August 19, 2010 [8 favorites]


Good news, everyone, I uninstalled and then reinstalled the scripts, and now everything's working tickety boo everywheres! Sorry to have concerned you all so much!

Why the hell didn't I try doing that three months ago?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:01 PM on August 19, 2010


I love the phrase "tickety boo." I'm going to start using it more.
posted by rtha at 10:20 PM on August 19, 2010 [1 favorite]


I love chair.
posted by nomadicink at 1:15 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


i too posted in this thread.

seriously why cant i sleep
posted by Potomac Avenue at 1:45 AM on August 20, 2010


I believe it's recipe time, so here's the recipe for the chicken sandwich I ate yesterday.

1 - Grab free spicy chicken sandwich coupon
2 - Go to Chic-Fil-A
3 - Get free sandwich (attempted upsale option)
4 - Take off pickles because those are nasty.
posted by theichibun at 2:58 AM on August 20, 2010


It's because you have contagious insomnia, Potomac Avenue. There was an outbreak last night. I still have the rash.
posted by catlet at 6:30 AM on August 20, 2010


Pickles are awful, theichibun, but in a Chick-fil-A sandwich you need the pickle residue for the appropriate taste.
posted by that girl at 7:40 AM on August 20, 2010 [2 favorites]


Recipe for "Cookies & Cream" ice cream:

1) go to Dream Mart
2) buy "Cookies & Cream" ice cream
posted by Meatbomb at 7:41 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


TomMelee: "Plutor, you obviously are lacking your sarcasm gene there buddy."

This is why god made HAMBURGER
posted by Plutor at 7:50 AM on August 20, 2010


Recipe for HAMBURGER

1) Say something incredibly racist/sexist/outrageous on MetaFilter
2) Wait for skeptically hopeful people to ask if you were being sarcastic
posted by shakespeherian at 8:09 AM on August 20, 2010


> which had this comment by Kattullus, which made me go, "Huh? She's right."

Who's "she"?
posted by languagehat at 9:06 AM on August 20, 2010


Kattullus. Maybe I am missing something here? My point is I too thought it was dirtynumbbagelboy.
posted by cjorgensen at 10:13 AM on August 20, 2010


The story of the Paphnuty injoke is this. In the Violet Blue Boing Boing deletion thread Astro zombie pointed out the absurdity of the idea of MetaFilter mods deleting every single contribution by a MeFite, to which languagehat replied: "You don't remember Paphnuty, who at one time was responsible for half the posts and comments on MetaFilter? N00b!"

And that's how Paphnuty was born. And this, being MetaFilter, brought on a slew of comments, by cortex, languagehat again, Astro Zombie, cortex again, languagehat again, Paphnuty shows up (odds are it's cortex ;) ), CCBC points out the origin of the name (St. Paphnuty was a Greek 4th Century martyr), I comment, yhbc comments, treepour comments, Paphnuty again, nooneyouknow comments and spiderwire. That's the story of the Paphnuty injoke.

languagehat: Who's "she"?

My evil twin, the one with the goatee.
posted by Kattullus at 10:15 AM on August 20, 2010 [18 favorites]


Kattullus is an outie, not an innie.
posted by rtha at 10:15 AM on August 20, 2010


Guh
posted by Burhanistan at 10:15 AM on August 20, 2010


You could probably squeeze a pretty good doctoral thesis out of the psychological and linguistic background behind what's going on when we assume someone's gender based on their username. I know I've done it at least half a dozen times in the last year or so, and I haven't been able to discern the internal process that's involved when I subconsciously decide somebody's male or female.
posted by koeselitz at 10:22 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


odds are it's cortex ;)

Nope, though it's not an unreasonable guess.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:24 AM on August 20, 2010


Kattullus is an outie, not an innie.

I did ask if I was missing something, but to be fair, her profile says I can pick a gender for her, so I have!
posted by cjorgensen at 10:40 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


> You could probably squeeze a pretty good doctoral thesis out of the psychological and linguistic background behind what's going on when we assume someone's gender based on their username. I know I've done it at least half a dozen times in the last year or so, and I haven't been able to discern the internal process that's involved when I subconsciously decide somebody's male or female.

Yeah, me too, but in this case it seems particularly odd because Kattullus is, well, a male name. It's transparently based on Catullus and it's got that male -us ending. Now, I can understand people being confused about thomas j wise.
posted by languagehat at 10:42 AM on August 20, 2010


Yeah, somebody should get on that one. ;)
posted by iamkimiam at 10:49 AM on August 20, 2010


languagehat: “Yeah, me too, but in this case it seems particularly odd because Kattullus is, well, a male name. It's transparently based on Catullus and it's got that male -us ending.”

That's true, but (while I impute nothing to cjorgensen's own ideas here) I was thinking that female names beginning with "Kat" – mostly derivatives of "Katherine" – seem to be very popular at the moment, at least in the US. And I have more and more female friends who go by "Kat."
posted by koeselitz at 10:58 AM on August 20, 2010


languagehat: Yeah, me too, but in this case it seems particularly odd because Kattullus is, well, a male name.

To be fair to cjorgensen s/he's not the first person to make that mistake. These two threads had significant derails about my gender (the second an even greater derail about Marisa Stole the Precious Thing's gender). I'm used to it and don't mind but I've never quite figured out the whys and wherefores. I used to think it was because my first name, Kári, reads feminine to Anglophones, but it seems mostly to be people who never clicked through to my profile, and therefore wouldn't know my first name. Anyway, it's an interesting puzzle.
posted by Kattullus at 11:00 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


I got a memail from someone who said that until recently they'd thought I was female, but I can't imagine that that was based on my username.
posted by shakespeherian at 11:27 AM on August 20, 2010


I did ask if I was missing something, but to be fair, her profile says I can pick a gender for her, so I have!

I believe that is not the intended interpretation of 'go nuts' in this case.
posted by FishBike at 11:28 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


Right, cuz you'd be shakespherienne.
posted by TomMelee at 11:28 AM on August 20, 2010


Y'all just need a kattullutic converter.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:31 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


Sometimes I wish I'd just gone with 'ed.'
posted by shakespeherian at 11:39 AM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


FishBike: I believe that is not the intended interpretation of 'go nuts' in this case.

Such a terrible pun...

Every once in a while I think about retiring it, but it's been on my profile longer than anything else besides my name, so I just can't bring myself to get rid of it.
posted by Kattullus at 11:39 AM on August 20, 2010


shakespeherian: “I got a memail from someone who said that until recently they'd thought I was female, but I can't imagine that that was based on my username.”

This is a joke, right? I assumed you were female for a long time based on your username. I imagine even old Eliot might've done the same.
posted by koeselitz at 12:01 PM on August 20, 2010


Wait, really? I think 92% of people glance at my name and think it's 'shakespeare' or 'shakespearean'. Another 7% think it's a purposeful misspelling of same. Pretty much no one seems to get the Eliot thing. And even then I didn't know it read as female. INTERESTING

Someone compile that linguistics report!
posted by shakespeherian at 12:21 PM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


shakespeherian: “Wait, really? I think 92% of people glance at my name and think it's 'shakespeare' or 'shakespearean'. Another 7% think it's a purposeful misspelling of same. Pretty much no one seems to get the Eliot thing. And even then I didn't know it read as female. INTERESTING”

Your username is "shakespearian" with "her" stuck in the middle of it. That's all. In fact, the more I see it, and the more I try to pronounce it, the more the "her" jumps out at me.

I also know that when I first went to your blog, I said to myself: "wow, she isn't bad looking, either."
posted by koeselitz at 12:47 PM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


I usually don't bother trying to map gender to username unless a user is saying something specifically gender related. Otherwise, everyone is just part of the brainblob.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:00 PM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


Your username is "shakespearian" with "her" stuck in the middle of it.

This is like hearing your voice on a tape recorder and going 'Wait is that what other people hear when I talk?!'
posted by shakespeherian at 1:08 PM on August 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


Your username is "shakespearian" with "her" stuck in the middle of it.

Actually, it's "shakespearian" with the "a" substituted for a "he".

The biggest problem is that a=a, not "he".
posted by norm at 1:25 PM on August 20, 2010


Burhanistan: “I usually don't bother trying to map gender to username unless a user is saying something specifically gender related. Otherwise, everyone is just part of the brainblob.”

Well, that's probably the best way to go about it. But I try to do that – and constantly fail. It's really hard for me not to assume gender when I'm talking to human beings, and my mind just does these funny subconscious things to make that happen. I mean, honestly it's not as though I consciously said "well, look – it says 'her' right in the middle of that username, so clearly that person must be female!" My brain just sort of did that automatically, and I had to stop and think about why.
posted by koeselitz at 1:48 PM on August 20, 2010


I did click into Kattullus's profile before assigning a gender. Kári reads like Carrie to me, so I went with female.

What's funny to me in hindsight is that Kattullus sounds like a made up name like most of those on this site. I didn't assign a gender at all based on that. I also didn't spend a lot of time thinking about it. If any offense was taken (doesn't sound like there was) then I apologize.

Kattullus barada nikto!
posted by cjorgensen at 7:56 PM on August 20, 2010 [2 favorites]


kattullus is a strong woman and needs no one to defend her in a simple disagreement
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:37 AM on August 21, 2010 [4 favorites]


Kattullus taught me to fuck chickens the Finnish way.
posted by Meatbomb at 3:59 AM on August 21, 2010


"Fuck" being the Finnish word for "teach five-part harmonizing."
posted by Kattullus at 8:43 AM on August 21, 2010 [2 favorites]


You clearly don't know what Finns mean by harmonizing or neither of you would be in any shape to type right now.
posted by yerfatma at 10:02 AM on August 21, 2010


grep -i bieber Epic-Pop.html | wc -l

FOR FUCKS SAKE.

grep -ic bieber Epic-Pop.html

You're wasting a process, if you insist on doing that, you might as well break out a (BING!) Useless Use of Cat.

cat Epic-Pop.html | grep -i bieber | wc -l

Never grep into a wc -l, you learn nothing, and you lose badly if you need to grep more than one file. (grep -ic bieber Epic-Pop*.html)
posted by eriko at 10:42 PM on August 21, 2010


eriko, did you not read my actual tests? "YOU'RE WASTING A PROCESS" only matters if you are on a seriously resource-limited machine.

Also, if you want a total count of multiple files, grepping into wc -l is the right way to do it. grep -ic will only give you counts for each file individually. So "never" is a bad word.
posted by Plutor at 8:11 AM on August 22, 2010


Hmmm, I see a real speedup by not using cat uselessly on my Cygwin system. It's not resource-limited, so is therefore a bit faster than your tests, but Cygwin makes new processes expensive:
$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do cat words | grep -ic stupid &>/dev/null; done

real    0m4.454s
user    0m7.674s
sys     0m4.002s

$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do <>/dev/null; done

real    0m2.859s
user    0m4.324s
sys     0m1.341s

$ time for N in `seq 1 100`; do grep -ic stupid words &>/dev/null; done

real    0m2.448s
user    0m3.877s
sys     0m1.217s
Anyway, I favor avoiding useless uses of cat not because of any speedup but because I think it decreases programming clarity.
posted by grouse at 9:37 AM on August 22, 2010


I favor the cat prefix for exactly the same reason. I find

cat somefile | awk '/blah/ {something ridiculously ugly}' | etc

much more parseable than

awk '/blah/ {something ridiculously ugly}' somefile | etc

But, like most readability holy wars, it's all subjective in the end.

(It's also easier to incrementally test while writing, since you can just substitute "head" for "cat".)
posted by Plutor at 10:05 AM on August 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


So, didn't anyone else think the OP was slowed down 800% today?
posted by tiamat at 3:43 PM on August 22, 2010


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