Notes on disagreements and a mod cleanup October 3, 2010 5:36 PM   Subscribe

This post is in response to two related things: 1) micawber's personal attacks in several threads (now deleted) and 2) cortex's public lumping of the two of us together in terms of bad behavior.

Micawber, whatever. You seem to have certain negative thoughts and beliefs about me. I previously tried Mefimailing you to clear things up. You responded in a negative manner. There doesn't seem much point is attempting to clear that up, you seem to have made up your mind and your thoughts are your own, I wish you well and want to emphasize I am not looking for a fight or to attack you.

Apologies to other members if the above seems a bit out of the blue. The previous back and forth in one AskMe thread and micawber's personal attack in another have been deleted. For whatever it's worth, I'm fine with having the comments reproduced here, if the mods feel it's needed.

Cortex, I do not lilke nor do I think it's fair that you told both of us to "cool it". That implies we were both doing something wrong and I strongly disagree with that idea. My only response to micawber was correcting something factual and I can't honeslty recall noting that it was micawber who said it. My only thought was "huh, someone thinks the poster is a male, when it's she's female, I'll leave a comment noting that's not the case." She responded with a personal attack, I flagged it, left it alone and when it wasn't deleted, email the mods, pointing it was a personal attack and asking that it be removed, which it was. I never responded to her, in thread or anywhere else. So for you to publicly tell us both "cool it" seems unfair to me.

You and I went back and forth a bit in email about the subject, which was fine, then I noticed the public admonishment you made, hence my public response to it. It's nothing personal, just feel as though I have to say something in response, to set the record straight, or at least as I see it.

and that's about all I wanted to get off my chest about these subjects.
posted by nomadicink to Etiquette/Policy at 5:36 PM (184 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

Is MetaTalk the new junior high school counselor's office, these days? Why did we need to see this?
posted by katillathehun at 5:47 PM on October 3, 2010 [14 favorites]


This is not in email...why?
posted by DWRoelands at 5:54 PM on October 3, 2010 [4 favorites]


Yeah, I can understand that you're dissatisfied with the verbiage used on that [mod deletion comment], but 1)most of us wouldn't have even seen this otherwise, 2)it should stay in email behind the scenes. Even if micawber had a negative reaction to you, that's her business. You said what you wanted to say then; there really isn't much for anyone else on the site to say here. I don't think we need to watch another dispute unfold.
posted by Burhanistan at 5:56 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


Walk it off.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 5:58 PM on October 3, 2010 [6 favorites]


At least cortex talks to you. *cries*
posted by graventy at 6:11 PM on October 3, 2010 [25 favorites]


So, uh, nomadicink, what do you have in mind as a positive outcome to this thread? How does this better Metafilter?
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 6:13 PM on October 3, 2010


You say it's nothing personal, but it is personal. MetaTalk isn't a place to "get (things) off (your) chest," it's a place to discuss site policy. I agree with the others above. I think you should step away from the keyboard and go make yourself a nice hot cup of tea or something. There's nothing to be discussed here.
posted by misozaki at 6:13 PM on October 3, 2010


Cortex, I do not lilke nor do I think it's fair that you told both of us to "cool it". That implies we were both doing something wrong and I strongly disagree with that idea.

The two of you combined were having a sort of conspicuous back-and-forth that I wanted it to be clear to both of you needed to stop. I already explained in email that I didn't intend to make you personally feel publicly excoriated, and I apologized there, but I'll happily apologize here as well: I did not mean to make you feel uncomfortable and I apologize for doing so.

That said, again: my job is more about keeping a thread like that from getting derailed by two users potentially locking horns (even if only one of them is primarily driving it) and general reactions to that than it is about making sure no one ever feels like they got the short end of a stick when I'm cleaning something up.

I agreed with you about micawber's comment being a problem, and deleted it, and didn't delete anything of yours. I feel like you are reacting to this as something more than it is, I while I respect that you feel how you do about it I'm not sure what else I could have done while still doing my job as I saw it necessary to do in there, other than predicting your response and finding some less-discomfiting-to-you way of expressing "this back-and-forth thing between the two of you needs to stop now regardless of what either of you think about the other's correctness or not about their specific contributions so far".
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:16 PM on October 3, 2010 [4 favorites]


fer christ sakes already
posted by dubitable at 6:25 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


So this whole thread has been a very verbose way of saying that cortex's deletion comment would have been better without the name "nomadicink" in it?
posted by John Cohen at 6:27 PM on October 3, 2010


That's got to be the most frequently linked comic panel on the internet.
posted by John Cohen at 6:27 PM on October 3, 2010 [10 favorites]


That's got to be the most frequently linked comic panel on the internet.

Without knowing the exact nature of the other linkages you refer to, I think I can still confidently assert that this is, for the vast majority of cases, wholly appropriate.
posted by dubitable at 6:31 PM on October 3, 2010


FWIW I have been told to cool it in a thread just because someone was getting hoppitymoppity with me....I felt maligned as well.

I know you just want to cool things off, Cortex, but particularly when it is public like that it does feel like a public rebuke. So I know how nomadicink feels. Because when I run across a thread where you tell him and the other guy to cool it I assume both people were equally at fault.

Just saying.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 6:32 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


It does take two to tango.
posted by Miko at 6:35 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


"out of the blue" hah.
I still think that all this dragging out of the shadows of "he said this I said that and I never did this in emails and otherwise and that was flagged and this was deleted" is a new tendency over here that somehow doesn't agree with the overall feel (let alone the guidelines) of this place. Close this already, please (yeah Sunday evening, I know).

Look, if cortex would 'lump' me together with someone who's not me, I'd send cortex a note about it. These issues can be solved in amazingly simple ways. You don't need an audience to emphasize that you're not looking for a fight, (or for that matter, to write "attack" five times in one go).
posted by Namlit at 6:38 PM on October 3, 2010


Because when I run across a thread where you tell him and the other guy to cool it I assume both people were equally at fault.

Basically, you (and the original poster of this thread) are jumping to the conclusion that the mod is blaming both parties equally. You (and the original poster of this thread) are using using faulty assumptions. You don't know who the mod believes is to blame. You don't know what weighting they use to assign blame. You don't even know if there is blame being assigned. All that was said was, "Cool it". So who takes ownership of YOUR reaction to a mod comment? The mod, or you?
posted by SeizeTheDay at 6:43 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


It does take two to tango.

In this case, it doesn't seem to me that nomadicink did anything wrong.

And what on earth does "hoppitymoppity" mean? I think I like it.
posted by amro at 6:45 PM on October 3, 2010


Christamighty, will you people fucking lay off cortex already?
posted by slogger at 6:46 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


amro, I think it's hoppitamoppita.
posted by scruss at 6:50 PM on October 3, 2010


In this case, it doesn't seem to me that nomadicink did anything wrong

Reading through the thread now, I agree. Fair point. Though yes, probably better handled privately.

And wow, I had no idea there was this full hoppitamoppita etymology. I sincerely thought it was a jessamyn coinage unique to MeFi.
posted by Miko at 6:52 PM on October 3, 2010


Oh, wait. Apparently it is. I was confusing it with KFTC on that site I linked.
posted by Miko at 6:53 PM on October 3, 2010


slogger: "Christamighty, will you people fucking lay off cortex already?"

Ultimately it's up to mathowie, but I think firing him seems a little harsh.
posted by gman at 6:53 PM on October 3, 2010 [26 favorites]


Is this where I complain about that Top 100 Canadian Songs FPP?
posted by philip-random at 6:54 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


Jesus, those were some terrible songs.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:55 PM on October 3, 2010


The two of you combined were having a sort of conspicuous back-and-forth that I wanted it to be clear to both of you needed to stop.

Again, I don't agree and this sort of statement really ticks me off. I don't believe I was doing anything wrong and your repeated insistence on framing it that way is really bothersome.

Look, I get you're being a mod and you see this problem and that it needs to stop. That's fine and understand your mod viewpoint. The only problem, from my vantage point, is that I didn't do anything wrong. If you feel differently, that's cool, just tell what it was. If you feel as though I shouldn't respond to micawber at all, in any way, shape or fashion, that's seems odd to me, but it may indeed be the smarter, less friction filled choice.

Just to be clear, while I think this is important, it's like pretty low importance ok? My general feeling right now is that we can go get a beer and Halo against each and have a good time. We may disagree about what happened and how it should have been handled, but I've said my piece, made it clear where I'm coming from and tomorrow is another day, you know? Apology accepted, but no real need, I apologize if it seems like I'm trying to give you a bunch of grief, love ya man, yadda yadda and I'm fine with ya'll closing this up if you ya'll feel that's warranted.
posted by nomadicink at 6:57 PM on October 3, 2010


Wow, how have I managed to miss the hoppitamoppita meme until now?
posted by amro at 6:59 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


Bryan Adams in the top 5!?!?
posted by philip-random at 7:00 PM on October 3, 2010


I sincerely thought it was a jessamyn coinage unique to MeFi.

I was fully prepared to accept that it might have been some borscht belt hting that I didn't know I had picked up, but hey maybe it is mine!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:05 PM on October 3, 2010


earliest mention of hoppitamoppita seems to be Sept. 22, 2009. Maybe in a future podcast jessamyn can comment upon this coinage. I find it very Muppet-y, but that may only be because of the double Ps.
posted by Miko at 7:05 PM on October 3, 2010


"if you ya'll feel"

yinz, yunz, youse, انتُم...
posted by HopperFan at 7:07 PM on October 3, 2010


Look, I get you're being a mod and you see this problem and that it needs to stop. That's fine and understand your mod viewpoint. The only problem, from my vantage point, is that I didn't do anything wrong.

I didn't say you did anything wrong. I said I wanted to make sure the exchange in there—which, itself, was bordering on problematic and had with micawber's comment gone into genuinely problematic and with any more back and forth from either of you I think would have been problematic—stopped where it was. Hence "cool it", as in "no more of that", rather than "you are bad and you should feel bad" or any such thing.

I understand that you felt wronged by that. It wasn't my intent. My apology about making you feel that way was sincere. I'm not really clear why we're having a public discussion about it really.

Just to be clear, while I think this is important, it's like pretty low importance ok?

We have different feelings I think about the amount of importance that proceeding from an email exchange in which you had already gotten an explanation and a genuine apology and making it into a public thing on metatalk represents. I'm fine leaving it as just a thing, I'm beers-and-minecraft-to-follow as it were, but from my end there's a weird irony here in you making a public stink about something I'd already tried to do right by you on and then telling me that it's not important.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:08 PM on October 3, 2010 [4 favorites]


This vividly reminds me of this one time that we were driving to Disneyworld (back when the nationwide 55 mph speed limit made long car trips seem endless) and my little brother Would. Not. Stay. On. His. Side. and my mom told us both to knock it off even though he totally started it.

I still hurt.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 7:09 PM on October 3, 2010 [25 favorites]


I'm living in a world where Ghostbusters III was made in 1992 and it rocked.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:14 PM on October 3, 2010


Dude. Is there a halfway central list of MeFite XBox Live IDs?
posted by kalessin at 7:19 PM on October 3, 2010


No, they're mostly leftist.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:22 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


You know, sometimes the Fonz told Ritchie to cool it, too. That didn't mean Ritchie wasn't his pal. When the jukebox stops playing and you hear the words "cool it," you just have to cool it, man.
posted by The World Famous at 7:26 PM on October 3, 2010 [9 favorites]


I said I wanted to make sure the exchange in there—which, itself, was bordering on problematic and had with micawber's comment gone into genuinely problematic and with any more back and forth from either of you I think would have been problematic—stopped where it was.

Yeah...but I hadn't responded to her, at all and had taken the steps of contacting the mods because I wasn't interested in escalating it. Hence my confusion and annoyance with "Both of you, cool it."

...but from my end there's a weird irony here in you making a public stink about something I'd already tried to do right by you on and then telling me that it's not important.

I was fine with keeping it to email, as we were doing, until the public comment was made in the midst of us emailing back and forth. I believe that comment was incorrect its implication and so publicly responded to it.
posted by nomadicink at 7:28 PM on October 3, 2010


That's got to be the most frequently linked comic panel on the internet.


I'll bet that John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory gives that strip a run for its money.
posted by chrisamiller at 7:29 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


> I believe that comment was incorrect its implication and so publicly responded to it.

Nah, you could've just asked via email him to edit that comment.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:30 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


Well, "cool it" does sound more like a reprimand than, say, "take it to memail." Like Alia, I would personally feel sad to be told that publicly by a mod if I hadn't done anything wrong, and a private apology wouldn't change the fact that to readers/maybe-mostly-lurkers (like me) it still looks like both people were mixing it up. I definitely read it that way and assumed comments from both parties had been deleted. No big deal, maybe, but perhaps that's why it was brought to MeTa?

It may seem junior-highish or thin-skinned, but (not trying to speak for nomadicink here), some people do care how their online persona is perceived by all the other readers out there.
posted by torticat at 7:32 PM on October 3, 2010 [6 favorites]


Look, I am glad it was made public because this is something that happens occasionally on problematic threads. Whether to me or to nomadicink or whoever.

Leaving ME out of it (since I am not particularly impartial when it comes to moi, even if I would like to think I am) I do think it's an important point that if people are going to be told to knock it off publically, it is all too easy to assume both parties are equally at fault. Maybe if the vocabulary were tweaked? Such as telling party A and party B to "calm down a bit." This has the effect of acknowledging that feelings are high but without casting it as necessarily blameworthy. Perhaps this is overthinking the plate of pintos, but to some of us it makes a difference.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 7:37 PM on October 3, 2010


Nah, you could've just asked via email him to edit that comment.

I literally never considered this, as comment editing is not something that's done, especially to change meaning.
posted by nomadicink at 7:41 PM on October 3, 2010


kalessin: Dude. Is there a halfway central list of MeFite XBox Live IDs?

In case you're actually interested in such a list, the MetaFilter wiki has a list of MeFite XBox Live gamertags as well as IDs for several other platforms.
posted by RichardP at 7:48 PM on October 3, 2010


I really, really hope I never sink so low in life that I'm upset about a possible implication that I said something wrong.

Rock bottom.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:48 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


Oops, that last link was broken, it should go here.
posted by RichardP at 7:52 PM on October 3, 2010


Don't worry man, you've got St Alia on your side, so it's all......uphill from here.
posted by nevercalm at 7:59 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


Thanks. Now I'm gonna be singing "hoppitamoppita meme" to the tune of Follow the Yellow Brick Road all fucking week.
posted by nebulawindphone at 8:04 PM on October 3, 2010 [3 favorites]


Actually I think of nomadicink and micawber to be fighty types that I would hope stop being so fighty. The fact that they have a problem with each other sort of seems like a pit bull thing.

Can't stop this.
posted by Splunge at 8:06 PM on October 3, 2010


I was fine with keeping it to email, as we were doing, until the public comment was made in the midst of us emailing back and forth.

I left that note in the thread before I sent my first response to you, which was all an hour and a half before you posted this thread. We exchanged email a couple times in the interim; I explained where I was coming from and apologized to you in that process. It's not like I ninjad that shit in after the fact.

Maybe if the vocabulary were tweaked? Such as telling party A and party B to "calm down a bit."

It's saying the same thing with variations on what read to me as pretty similarly mild and non-accusatory choices of words. For all that, "calm down" is one of those things I've seen people on this very site object to as a specific bit of wording because it is something they've had negative experiences of feeling dismissed by, e.g. "whoa, lady, calm down!".

We try, really goddam hard, to be thoughtful and polite when approaching mod stuff, because to some extent it's a constant fucking minefield trying to steer other people's behavior without somehow putting someone out in the process. I'm imperfect, sometimes my intent doesn't meet up with the effect my words have on someone else. I try and be good about it when that happens, and explain, and when necessary apologize.

But the flip side of that is that people having the forbearance to not make a scene out of being potentially mildly misrepresented by a one-off mod note helps me not feel like tearing my goddam hair out. I kind of feel like I'm getting it both ways, here, frankly, and that may not have been your intent nomadicink but, well, there we go with intent and effect not necessarily lining up so well.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:10 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


This vividly reminds me of this one time that we were driving to Disneyworld (back when the nationwide 55 mph speed limit made long car trips seem endless) and my little brother Would. Not. Stay. On. His. Side. and my mom told us both to knock it off even though he totally started it.

No, you started it.
posted by DiscourseMarker at 8:14 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


Get your foot off my side of the seat!
posted by Splunge at 8:16 PM on October 3, 2010


We aren't slamming you, cortex; at least I'm not-we are simply talking this out.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 8:18 PM on October 3, 2010


/hovers her finger as close as humanly possible to Horace Rumpole without actually touching so as to maintain plausible deniability that I am "touching" anyone
posted by Miko at 8:19 PM on October 3, 2010 [13 favorites]


Actually I think of nomadicink and micawber to be fighty types that I would hope stop being so fighty. The fact that they have a problem with each other sort of seems like a pit bull thing.

Yeah, that's why I keep responding to every comment on this thread, totally looking for a fight.

Cortex, i only saw that note after we had gone back and forth once or twice, so apologies on that.

As to the issue at large, we'll probably have to agree to disgree. Have a good night.
posted by nomadicink at 8:20 PM on October 3, 2010


This place just does NOT do disagreement well. *sigh*
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 8:21 PM on October 3, 2010


Thanks. Now I'm gonna be singing "hoppitamoppita meme" to the tune of Follow the Yellow Brick Road all fucking week.

Consistent with this recent thread, the tune in question should in fact be hoppipolla.
posted by philip-random at 8:24 PM on October 3, 2010


Don't worry man, you've got St Alia on your side, so it's all......uphill from here.

Yeah, some random shittiness is what this thread really needed. Much better now.
posted by Serene Empress Dork at 8:26 PM on October 3, 2010 [11 favorites]


Streisand Effect
posted by unSane at 8:26 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


This place just does NOT do disagreement well. *sigh*

I DISAGREE

Actually, sincerely, I do, I'm not just being funny, although I do find it funny, because I am juvenile.

But seriously I think we suck a lot less than both other Internet web sites and even less than IRL a lot of the time frankly.
posted by dubitable at 8:27 PM on October 3, 2010


I know - if we don't do disagreement well, then show me who does.
posted by Miko at 8:27 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


cortex, a few months ago you told someone who was being very rude in a thread on the blue to "give it a fucking rest" and I thought that was perfect. It was exactly what the person needed to be told and he dropped out after that.

Please continue to admonish people in such a fashion and do not think twice about doing so.
posted by mlis at 8:29 PM on October 3, 2010 [19 favorites]


There is a 0% chance I ever would have noticed cortex's note in thread, much less kept an inventory of people he asks to knock it off. But I will certainly remember this asinine thread in the future.

Congrats!
posted by orville sash at 8:33 PM on October 3, 2010 [44 favorites]


I literally never considered this, as comment editing is not something that's done, especially to change meaning.

The mods edit their own comments regularly. It's entirely possible. It's their choice.
posted by John Cohen at 8:39 PM on October 3, 2010


orville sash for the win.
posted by tiamat at 8:39 PM on October 3, 2010


Somewhere a pig is enjoying being wrestled.
posted by arcticseal at 8:54 PM on October 3, 2010


Reputation besmirched! Oh no! Quel dommage!

Quick, better make a big obnoxious stink about it, lest the offense go entirely unnoticed!
posted by Sys Rq at 9:21 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


other Internet web sites

They have web sites on the Internet now? I thought they were all on the Information Superhighway, or in Cyberspace, or on Compuserve or something.
posted by Sys Rq at 9:24 PM on October 3, 2010


Can I just say that the "someone is wrong on the internet" XKCD comic really, really pisses me off? Are we really so childish that it seems silly to care what people think? I argue with people a lot here. That's because I care about the people on Metafilter. And that argument has been a really big part of my life for more than half a decade now. So to act as though that experience right there is trivial is... well, it's sort of hurtful, and sort of obnoxious. "Someone is wrong on the internet" ... well, yeah. That's a good reason to stay on there working on it. It's a good thing when we want to have dialogue with other people.
posted by koeselitz at 9:24 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


I would correct you koeselitz, but I think I'll go to bed instead.
posted by Sys Rq at 9:27 PM on October 3, 2010 [3 favorites]


Two things I would like to add, and this seems as good a place as any:

1. Earlier today, maybe around 6:00 pm CDT, I looked at MeTa and thought, "Wow, we're gonna make it all the way through a Sunday with no ridiculous MeTas." THANKS FOR NOTHING.

But in sincerity: I think this callout is kind of weak. It's a little too "look at me!" for my taste. Not every single infraction ever, anywhere on the site, has to be examined under the full microscope of a MeTa post.

2. Ernie Anastos did NOT coin "Keep Fucking That Chicken." There has been a saying around for a long, long time like years and years, when someone is trying to micro-manage your business, you say, "I'm the one fucking this chicken, you're just holding it down." It's a super-crude way of saying "MYOB".

Variants include, "I'm the one fucking this chicken... you're just holding the wings."

In fact, "It's my chicken" is used on a daily basis in my house as a way to say colorfully say "MYOB" in polite company.

So, I feel certain that the meteorologist said that to the anchor at some point, who later replied, "yeah go on, keep fucking that chicken." But it's not like "chicken fucking" as a metaphor for getting work done is new.
posted by pineapple at 9:37 PM on October 3, 2010 [8 favorites]


koeselitz: It can be important to correct a wrong statement on the internet ... when the correction has some broader meaning, beyond the mere fact that someone committed an error while typing words and transmitting them to the internet.

The comic is about how people often get too impassioned about and invested in words that have been casually posted to the internet. It's just a joke -- if it has some truth to it, that's good enough.

But if people link to that comic to try to make someone look foolish simply because they've pointed out a flaw in what someone else said, that could easily turn into overkill. If I had to say which is a bigger problem -- (1) people on this site correcting errors too often, or (2) people on this site trying to make other people look foolish as a way to avoid having an intellectually rigorous discussion -- I would say (2).
posted by John Cohen at 9:41 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


The mods edit their own comments regularly. It's entirely possible. It's their choice.

Do they? I notice a fair number of typos that they have not corrected.
posted by mlis at 9:47 PM on October 3, 2010


I'll fix a typo if I notice it at the time, but I let a lot of them go also. I'll also occasionally have that 5-second regret window and add a few clarifying words, but I don't think I've edited anything of mine once it's in-line in any substantial way except for once or twice when someone asked me to change a reason for deletion or some small-type mod comment for some reason.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:56 PM on October 3, 2010


You know, there was a moment earlier today, right around 5:30PM Pac-Time, when weirdly, there was nobody wrong on the internet about anything. But then this Meta got posted. And now here we are, absolutely wrong about fucking chicken.



worth noting: I almost posted this comment with the final four words reading "wrong about fucking children". This is why one should always preview.
posted by philip-random at 10:02 PM on October 3, 2010 [3 favorites]


This is why one should always preview.

And have some kind of editing capability on a website that's entirely text-based.
posted by John Cohen at 10:22 PM on October 3, 2010


"I'm the one fucking the chicken, you're just holding it down" is seriously an expression?
posted by cj_ at 10:31 PM on October 3, 2010 [5 favorites]


Seriously.

Don't those people know the slang definition of "chicken"? (Hint: philip-random's typo ain't far off.) Yuck.
posted by Sys Rq at 10:37 PM on October 3, 2010


nomadicink: I believe that comment was incorrect in its implication and so publicly responded to it.

To avoid fightiness over the Internet, I find it useful to keep the old FidoNet rules in mind:

1. Don't be offensive.
2. Don't be easily offended.

Of course we should avoid deliberately offending each other, but I think it's also important to cut each other some slack. Like others, I'm not seeing why this was a big enough deal to bring to MetaTalk.
posted by russilwvong at 10:42 PM on October 3, 2010 [4 favorites]


I support St. Alia's use of "hoppitymoppity" as a logical adjective form of the noun "hoppitamoppita."
posted by naoko at 10:43 PM on October 3, 2010


"I'm the one fucking this chicken, you're just holding it down."

Are you sure it's not "plucking"? It seems like it would be "plucking." Why would anyone fuck a chicken?

I...maybe don't really want to know.
posted by zerbinetta at 11:01 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


I can't believe I'm about to ask this.

But. I don't understand the chicken thing. How does "I'm the one fucking the chicken, you're just holding it down" equal telling someone to stop micromanaging you?

(WHY IS SOMEONE DOING THAT TO A CHICKEN.)
posted by thehmsbeagle at 11:02 PM on October 3, 2010 [3 favorites]


...or what zerbinetta said.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 11:03 PM on October 3, 2010


Why would anyone fuck a chicken?

Wasn't this answered in an issue of the comic book Preacher? Something about the movement of the chicken...or was it a fish?
posted by nomadicink at 11:04 PM on October 3, 2010


cortex already has a wife, you guys.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 11:20 PM on October 3, 2010 [1 favorite]


It was a fish, but there was also a chicken involved (separately).
posted by Conrad Cornelius o'Donald o'Dell at 11:24 PM on October 3, 2010


Daddy, what does regret mean?
Well son, funny thing about regret is, is it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done.

And by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, would you be sure and tell her SATAN, SATAN, SATAAAANNN!!!
posted by heyho at 11:28 PM on October 3, 2010 [12 favorites]


"Cortex, I do not lilke nor do I think it's fair that you told both of us to 'cool it'. That implies we were both doing something wrong and I strongly disagree with that idea."

This was in AskMe right? You weren't answering the question right?
posted by Mitheral at 11:32 PM on October 3, 2010 [2 favorites]


Just so's we're clear, I am not now, nor have I ever been a chicken fucker. On that one occasion, I just happened to be returning from the bathroom, having removed my pants for ease of access, when I slipped on a piece of misplaced stuffing.

That chicken was still frozen and I derived no pleasure from it whatsoever. Had that mod walked in with her camera just one second later, my penis would have been in a different place completely.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 11:33 PM on October 3, 2010


Is this thread about Minecraft yet? Nope? OK. Just checking.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 1:11 AM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


"Hoppitamatopoeia" describes using things like GRAR to indicate "a heated verbal disagreement."
posted by jtron at 1:17 AM on October 4, 2010 [7 favorites]


Why would anyone fuck a chicken?

To get to the other side?
posted by Elmore at 1:19 AM on October 4, 2010 [17 favorites]


No, and it's not for the fun of it either; just for that special basting.
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:27 AM on October 4, 2010


I support St. Alia's use of "hoppitymoppity" as a logical adjective form of the noun "hoppitamoppita."

I think precedent suggests it should be "hoppitymoppital":

Spectrum => Spectra => Spectral

Hoppitamoppitum => Hoppitamoppita => Hoppitamoppital

Oh, and the poster of this thread has given a far worse account of himself by posting and maintaining it than Cortex could have done by his call to "knock it off".
posted by Grangousier at 3:39 AM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


Why would you even need a second person to hold the chicken down for fucking? In my mental image of this act, it's a one-man job, albeit requiring both hands. Plucking makes even less sense unless I am mistaken that this is usually done when it's dead. I sure hope not.

I refuse to believe this is a real expression. Where the hell do you live?
posted by cj_ at 4:09 AM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


This place just does NOT do disagreement well. *sigh*
No, disagreement we do just fine. It's agreement that we struggle with.
posted by dg at 5:05 AM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


I also just learned what magic-ass pants are.
posted by unSane at 5:28 AM on October 4, 2010


There is a 0% chance I ever would have noticed cortex's note in thread, much less kept an inventory of people he asks to knock it off. But I will certainly remember this asinine thread in the future.

Congrats!


No problem, thanks for paying attention and injecting yourself into things, further adding to the upbeat and positive tone you so clearly are concerned about it.

Now that we're responding so well to each other, I'm sure a future of friendship, good times and merriment await you, me and anyone else who wants to pile on. WIN WIN.
posted by nomadicink at 5:43 AM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


I've always heard, "I'm the one fucking this monkey. You're just holding the tail." I can see how having someone hold the tail out of the way would be pretty nice, but you don't necessarily want that person critiquing your technique. If said person did so, I would tell them to "cool it."
posted by Shohn at 5:57 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


I am home sick and am now unable to enjoy my (presumably but not definitively unfucked) chicken soup. Thanks, jerks.
posted by elizardbits at 5:59 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


How is this not some sort of long-gestating retribution for some third grade slight as a teacher? This stuff happens All The Time to All The People Ever. Please, for your own sake, don't hold on to this and "agree to disagree" and let it grow into something even more in the future, just let it go.
posted by setanor at 6:06 AM on October 4, 2010


Awesome MeTa, if only for expanding my collection of beastiality-related admonishments.

I don't think a 'cool it' or acknowledging both parties in a potential derail is beyond the pale. Cortex's Fonzie could use a little work, though.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:05 AM on October 4, 2010


Now that we're responding so well to each other,

Well illustrating the point. Someone offered a tango, and you accepted, now dance this mess around one more time, since you seem to be enjoying it more than your words can express.
posted by nomisxid at 8:05 AM on October 4, 2010


Fonzie really wasn't all that cool. He spent a lot of time in the bathroom, and was obsessed with his image. He was just another neurotic underachiever with a leather jacket.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:06 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


This is funny. Because I had no idea this was going on. Because no one bothered to tell me.

I am not sure what the metafilter rules are. From what I understand I'm now supposed to watch this thread and respond to everything in it as soon as possible. Not only could I be less interested in doing that, I honestly *can't* given my work today.

So I'm not sure what that means. In the past when people haven't responded promptly they've been chastised by the community at large. I guess the mods can delete all my comments from the thread in question because I just physically don't have the bandwidth today, nor do I want to sit here tonight or later to argue about stuff.

I don't care that my comment was deleted. It's not my site. I post here and agree to play by the rules, one of which is mods can delete my stuff if they feel it's detrimental to the community.

I can check this post one more time before 12:30 and then I'm kind of stuck. So I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. If I don't have a response FROM THE MODS then I'll go email them via the contact form so they understand that my non-response is because of work.
posted by micawber at 8:27 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Response from the mods is that I can just leave it here, so I'm leaving it here.
posted by micawber at 8:36 AM on October 4, 2010


I am not sure what the metafilter rules are. From what I understand I'm now supposed to watch this thread and respond to everything in it as soon as possible.

No, that's really not actually necessary. There's no rule. If you have time to respond and think there's something you need to respond to, great, go to it, but that's about all.

If you want to talk a little about askme and commenting etiquette, mostly it comes down to this: you've been showing a tendency to get sort of personally engaged with other answerers, and to be a little unnecessarily combative in the framing of some of your answers on the green, in a way that we'd like you to try and not do. Answering the question is fine; scrapping with other answerers is not so great. We'd rather be deleting fewer comments in the first place than have "they can delete them if they don't like them" be anyone's approach to the site.

If you want to talk more about that some time without feeling like it's a public discussion with a time limit or whatever, feel free to hit us up via the contact form when it works for you.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:38 AM on October 4, 2010


I can't believe I'm about to ask this.

But. I don't understand the chicken thing. How does "I'm the one fucking the chicken, you're just holding it down" equal telling someone to stop micromanaging you?


Let me elaborate: when it was first said to me, I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, and watching the crusty old bartendrix at work (twice my age and fresh off a roller derby injury), and tsk-tsking at her over how to properly make a martini. She snapped that she was the one fucking this chicken, I was just holding it down.

Does that provide any context at all?

This was easily 10 years ago.

I think Shohn's got the gist of it.
posted by pineapple at 8:51 AM on October 4, 2010

Someone offered a tango, and you accepted, now dance this mess around one more time, since you seem to be enjoying it more than your words can express.
Given how long MeTa threads stay open, you may have the opportunity to do all sixteen dances.
posted by jtron at 9:08 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


nomadicink: "No problem, thanks for paying attention and injecting yourself into things, further adding to the upbeat and positive tone you so clearly are concerned about it."

Look: if you're concerned about an upbeat and positive tone, I suggest that you moderate the way you're presenting yourself. You have a lot of personal capital built up with me for various reasons, and you are not coming across well here and haven't done so in the recent past.

Frankly I am a little concerned for your well being as person (as much as one can be across the internet, I guess), and I know your impulse will be to reply to that sarcastically, but it's true. There's been a shift in your persona lately, and the only thing that I can think of that would cause it would be some negative event in your life recently.

Basically, people like you and want to see you well, and this seems like a completely insignificant thing for you to be obsessing about. Your metafilter cred isn't hurt by having a mod tell you to stop arguing -- that's a pretty common thing. It's not hurt by disagreeing vehemently with another -- again, pretty common.

After checking out the thread it seems like maybe more of micawber's comments got deleted than your own. My reading of it is that you're kinda doing some fact-checking and correcting people's bad assumptions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I can't imagine that it's a thing to get fighty over. If someone did get fighty with you about it, I encourage you to remind yourself that it's their problem, not yours.
posted by boo_radley at 9:24 AM on October 4, 2010 [9 favorites]


Speaking of assuming good intent and getting paranoid about mods ex post facto editing their words, I had a job once as a volunteer moderator on an old MOO/MUD. There was this huge political stinkfest surrounding "secret policy" which was a document I had written up for how we processed new account signups. The policy was requested by a much more senior mod and I wrote it up because I'm a policy wonk. When I wrote it up I remember being careful and thorough and being really proud of the policy and the documentation. Not just the policy itself, but also the document that encompassed it.

Fast forward to the political stinkfest and I ended up not only publishing the policy but also resigning my post. Later, the senior mod also republished the policy in another context.

When I looked at her republishing, I actually did swear that she'd butchered and reposted only parts of it and that she'd done a really poor job of it. I based this on grammatical mistakes and other documentation errors that I thought were beyond me. I actually started a little public outrage by that claim. Then I actually compared what she'd published against what I'd written and found that the documents were nearly identical. All those mistakes and errors were mine. She'd only excised a small portion of the whole document and done it quite seamlessly. I ended up having to issue some very substantial apologies and weakened my complaint greatly.

And there I learned a big lesson. We think a lot of ourselves often, especially if we (like me) are proud. But when it comes down to brass tacks, we often see our mistakes projected in others, when it seems to make sense but is not in fact right or just to see it that way. I think a lot of folks inclined to pile on to mods around here tend to project their mistakes on the mods when they had nothing to do it. I think a lot of it goes down like my personal drama did, and we'd all be better off just assuming good intent and not inventing extra conspiracy where none actually exists.
posted by kalessin at 9:24 AM on October 4, 2010 [4 favorites]


I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar

#That much is true...#

Now I've got that song going around in my head. Thanks for that.
posted by Grangousier at 9:31 AM on October 4, 2010 [9 favorites]


He was just another neurotic underachiever with a leather jacket.
posted by Burhanistan at 4:06 PM on October 4


I used to be exactly the same but I got rid of the leather jacket a few years ago.
posted by Decani at 9:55 AM on October 4, 2010


Look: if you're concerned about an upbeat and positive tone, I suggest that you moderate the way you're presenting yourself.

No, the concern crack was complete sarcasm. Orville's comment and favorites just struck me as odd. If that's the general response to something that mattered to me, then...ok.

Basically, people like you and want to see you well, and this seems like a completely insignificant thing for you to be obsessing about.

Thank you for the kind words, they are appreciated. But I'm don't think it's obsession. More concern that you or many others would feel, sure. As explained to cortex above, it's important to me, yes, but obviously there are a lot more important things in the world, this website or my life.
posted by nomadicink at 10:14 AM on October 4, 2010


He was just another neurotic underachiever with a leather jacket.

More to the point, he hung out with the dweebiest kids he could find and lorded it over them about how cool he was.

Christ, what an asshole.
posted by unSane at 10:23 AM on October 4, 2010


WIN WIN.

no, WIN WIN WIN.
posted by morganannie at 10:33 AM on October 4, 2010


More to the point, he hung out with the dweebiest kids he could find

This. What motorcycle gang was he a part of? None, he was just a poseur. FFS, he's a regular guest on daytime talk shows and Hollywood Squares.
posted by nomisxid at 10:39 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Can't we all just fuck chickens?
posted by Joe Beese at 10:56 AM on October 4, 2010


It beats getting along!
posted by The Whelk at 11:01 AM on October 4, 2010


unsane: Dude, I think you mean magic ass-pants.
posted by Mister_A at 11:09 AM on October 4, 2010


And hey, Richie wasn't a dweeb - he was swell.
posted by Mister_A at 11:09 AM on October 4, 2010


I am not sure what the metafilter rules are.

Pretend that it's a place where human beings communicate with each other, and then act accordingly.
posted by shakespeherian at 11:30 AM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


This thread was a typical MetaTalk "I can't believe this is happening" thread for me to enjoy long after the drama has cooled down -- with really interesting side trips like hoppitamoppita etymology and the origin of chicken fucking. And then all the sudden, everybody's crapping on the Fonz. Not cool.

Sit on it, Metaflter. Sit. On. IT!
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:34 AM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


If only once during all those episodes the Fonz had looked at Richie pityingly and said "I"m the one fucking this chicken, Richie..." the universe would be an entirely different place.
posted by unSane at 11:36 AM on October 4, 2010 [6 favorites]


Additionally, "hoppitamoppita"'s Greek cognate "ηοπλιτοκιντοπο*" means "mobilization of Hoplites**," a "hoppitamoppita" situation indeed.

* In the Latin alphabet familiar to most of us on this American internet, this would be spelled "hoplitokintopo" and is a made-up word***

** their defensive rating of 3 was quite high for the Ancient Era, which kept Greece safe from barbarian incursions by the Russians and Aztec.

*** made up of syllables

posted by jtron at 11:39 AM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Sit on it, Metaflter. Sit. On. IT!

I'd have more sympathy if The Fonz wasn't the guy who *invented* jumping the shark.
posted by aught at 11:44 AM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


I think this thread sucks, is way unnecessary, should have been dealy with privately, and maybe some folks should do some combination of growing thicker skin, shutting the hell up, laying off the mods, and then go back and do the first two over just in case.

Regardless, holy crap. Hoppitamoppita? What an insanely fun word that 1. I'm never gonna get out of my head, and 2. Going to use at every possible juncture.

Hell, I've been walking around muttering it randomly just because I like the way if feels in my mouth, and I'm still not even sure what it means.

Next time my daughter starts chicken-necking me about doing her homework, I'm gonna tell her not to get all hoppitamoppita with me.

Thank you Jessamyn. I sort of feel like I ought to send you a check for this or something.
posted by timsteil at 12:04 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


More to the point, he hung out with the dweebiest kids he could find and lorded it over them about how cool he was.

Fer chrissakes, he was like 40 years old and hung out in the bathroom of a diner. Which he called his office. And would frequently follow some teenager home so he could beg the guy's mom to make him dinner.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:08 PM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


Hoppitamoppita? What an insanely fun word that 1. I'm never gonna get out of my head, and 2. Going to use at every possible juncture.

3. Kylie Minogue is singing it over and over and over in my brain.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:19 PM on October 4, 2010


And then all the sudden, everybody's crapping on the Fonz. Not cool.

Sit on it, Metaflter. Sit. On. IT!


That's what we're doing!

Assuming "it" refers to Arthur Fonzarelli, human toilet.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:22 PM on October 4, 2010


Why would you even need a second person to hold the chicken down for fucking?

Helium.

Okay, I think I'm done now.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:25 PM on October 4, 2010 [8 favorites]


Hoppitamoppita? What an insanely fun word

It's a Disney movie tune just waiting to happen.
posted by Grangousier at 12:28 PM on October 4, 2010


It's a Disney movie Cortex tune just waiting to happen.
posted by unSane at 12:38 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


"Hoppitamoppital" sounds to me like some kind of antidepressant.
posted by Solomon at 12:43 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


If only once during all those episodes the Fonz had looked at Richie pityingly and said "I"m the one fucking this chicken, Richie..." the universe would be an entirely different place.

'Criminal Minds well and truly fucked the chicken in the Season Two finale. Mandy Patinkin's departure was just the goodbye kiss on the beak.'
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:48 PM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


*wonders why she is starting to crave KFC*
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 12:51 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


> *wonders why she is starting to crave KFC*

Um...that's weird.
posted by Burhanistan at 12:52 PM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Kentucky what!?
posted by Sys Rq at 12:56 PM on October 4, 2010 [8 favorites]


Now more than ever, please keep the secret herbs and spices a secret.
posted by Drastic at 1:13 PM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Happy Days.
posted by timsteil at 1:20 PM on October 4, 2010


What I meant was

Happy Days.
posted by timsteil at 1:22 PM on October 4, 2010


I'm hoping you guys will fall in love.
posted by anniecat at 1:28 PM on October 4, 2010


> I'm hoping you guys will fall in love.

The enspousening is just a forgotten dream now.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:34 PM on October 4, 2010


Ah, memories of Jessamyn's post of the picture: Dick in a Chicken! ; )
posted by ericb at 2:07 PM on October 4, 2010


I love Metatalk. I don't have much else to add, but yeah. This thread and its tangents are the reason I love Metatalk.
posted by patheral at 2:08 PM on October 4, 2010


11 different herbs and spices: Salt, Pepper, MSG.

Sit on it, Harlan.
posted by Trochanter at 2:13 PM on October 4, 2010


The MSG acts as a desensitizing agent so you can be finger lickin' good all night long.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:18 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Oh, man. What has reading this site done to me?
posted by Burhanistan at 2:19 PM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Sounds like it's given you something to do on a Friday night.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:20 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


That's a rhetorical question, right Burhanistan?
posted by heyho at 2:21 PM on October 4, 2010


I sort of feel like I should post that chicken fucking photo so at least in the future I'll get accused of something that I actually did.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:26 PM on October 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


I'm still waiting for the story to evolve into you having taken the photo yourself. It's only a matter of time.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:34 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Also, remember that time jessamyn drowned an entire town in a lake?
posted by shakespeherian at 2:35 PM on October 4, 2010 [10 favorites]




I may have misplace a fricative and substituted a plosive and a labial there, I admit.
posted by unSane at 2:38 PM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]

Henry Winkler has said that he based some of Fonzie's movements and speech pattern on Sylvester Stallone. Winkler had worked with Stallone years earlier in The Lords of Flatbush (1974). Winkler vowed when he played Fonzie, he would never comb his hair on camera or have a pack of cigarettes rolled up in his T-shirt sleeve and he never did.
(imdb)
posted by jenkinsEar at 2:44 PM on October 4, 2010


Winkler vowed when he played Fonzie, he would never comb his hair on camera

Don't ask me where in my memory banks this comes from, but I think the reason Henry never used a comb was that it took the make-up people, like, hours and hours to do the hair.
posted by Trochanter at 3:01 PM on October 4, 2010


At least Hoppitamoppitality is finally getting the respect it deserves.
posted by Grangousier at 3:05 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


I never would have imagined I would find a Happy Days trivia page so absolutely compelling, but here we are.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 3:06 PM on October 4, 2010


For some reason my brain always processes "nomadicink" as "no, I'm a dick". I'm sure my brain means no offense.
posted by found missing at 3:44 PM on October 4, 2010


For some reason my brain always processes "nomadicink" as "no, I'm a dick". I'm sure my brain means no offense.

I always read it as 'Nom! a dick!'
posted by shakespeherian at 3:46 PM on October 4, 2010 [6 favorites]


Grangousier: Now I've got that song going around in my head. Thanks for that.

Oh, sure—tell me that if you'd gone to type, "I was cocktail waitressing in this dive bar..." ...you wouldn't have also paused, noted, deleted, and gone for the lyric instead.

I mean, really. I'm only human.

Of flesh and blood I'm made.


Re kalessin's story (thanks for sharing): "I had a job once as a volunteer moderator on an old MOO/MUD.... And there I learned a big lesson. We think a lot of ourselves often, especially if we (like me) are proud. But when it comes down to brass tacks, we often see our mistakes projected in others, when it seems to make sense but is not in fact right or just to see it that way."

...I recently read a great essay (possibly found on MeFi) that I find especially useful lately.

"I Assume I'm Below Average"
posted by pineapple at 4:50 PM on October 4, 2010 [5 favorites]


1) Hold chicken down (first person)
2) Fuck chicken (other person)
3) ?
4) Profit!

And can't resist:

I was working as a mod on an internet site
colored green and blue
but even then I knew I'd find a much better job
than catching shit for everything I do

Don't . . .
Don't delete me . . . .
You know I can't believe it when you say I'm wrecking AskMe

Don't delete me cortex
Don't delete me, owwwww

etc.

posted by fourcheesemac at 6:13 PM on October 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


They prefer to be called, "Chicken-fucking Americans," you racist assholes.
posted by rhizome at 8:40 PM on October 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Hoppitalmoppital sounds like one of those dubiously named English foodstuffs. With bangers.
posted by Omnomnom at 11:39 PM on October 4, 2010


I'd say I'm more modest than prob'ly 92% of your average guys.
posted by Trochanter at 12:41 AM on October 5, 2010


Hoppita Moppita Animal Hospital for Incontinent Kangaroos
posted by pracowity at 2:11 AM on October 5, 2010 [6 favorites]


hoppitamoppita always brings to mind to me cute little angry bunnies.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 4:57 AM on October 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


Weird, I always heard the chicken aphorism as:

"I'm fuckin' this dog, you just hold the tail!"
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:17 AM on October 5, 2010


Where I come from, FWIW, it's a cat.

Also, when a whole bunch of people collectively can't sort out which one's fucking the cat and which ones are holding the tail, they look "like a monkey fucking a football."

Some grad student needs to do a dissertation on regional variation in workplace bestiality metaphors. ONETWOTHREENOT IT!
posted by nebulawindphone at 8:56 AM on October 5, 2010


Every time I read 'hoppitamoppita' I think of the 'hippity hoppity' song from Dot and the Kangaroo.
posted by Faust Gray at 8:59 AM on October 5, 2010


I think this thread sucks...

WTF are you talking about, this is the best MeTa thread in months. KFTC, bro.
posted by norm at 9:08 AM on October 5, 2010


Hi there. I'm the guy who keeps talking about Shelby Foote's Civil War book.

Grant was at one point discussing with Lincoln the strategy for a particular campaign. He would have a General Sigel not participate in battle, but remain far from the main point of attack to draw the enemy's attention and prevent their forces from joining together.
Lincoln saw the point at
once, having urged it often in the past,
although with small success. "Those not
skinning can hold a leg," he said.
posted by Trochanter at 9:13 AM on October 5, 2010


Lincoln, that old chicken fucker. So what does this say about Obama then?
posted by philip-random at 9:52 AM on October 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


Obama seems like more of a capon fucker.
posted by rhizome at 12:12 PM on October 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


SOMETHING SOMETHING JERK CHICKEN SOMETHING
posted by The Whelk at 12:21 PM on October 5, 2010 [2 favorites]




Wow. She has disabled her account. Nice going nomadicink. Hope you're satisfied.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 8:20 PM on October 6, 2010


Why is that his responsibility?
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 8:52 PM on October 6, 2010


Wow. She has disabled her account. Nice going nomadicink. Hope you're satisfied.

sometimes account disabling can be interpreted as "Ooops, I blew it. I shall now do y'all a favor and disappear for a while, and maybe return after I've dealt with some personal shit."
posted by philip-random at 9:35 PM on October 6, 2010


This place just does NOT do disagreement well. *sigh*

Really? Because I think I can disagree with that statement pretty well.
posted by BrotherCaine at 11:49 PM on October 6, 2010


Wow. She has disabled her account. Nice going nomadicink. Hope you're satisfied.

A person has left. There's no real indication they left because of MeFi issues or non-MeFi issues (Otherwise known as 'life issues') or if their abscence will be permanent, or whatever.

While I absolutely, unreservedly agree that nomadicink is a beastly, beastly creature, no one has put a gun to anyone's head. Unless you're privy to information that proves otherwise, maybe keep the 'Ya run 'em off, ya stinkin louse!' stuff on the shelf.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:28 AM on October 7, 2010


Wow. She has disabled her account. Nice going nomadicink. Hope you're satisfied.


Oddly enough, I think that statement is insulting to micawber. She sounds like she's made of stronger stuff than you imply and wouldn't be to bothered by some statements by a guy she didn't seem to like anway, ya know?

Loved this comment of yours by the way, pretty damned smart for a Canadian.
posted by nomadicink at 2:43 AM on October 7, 2010


Response from the mods is that I can just leave it here, so I'm leaving it here.
posted to MetaTalk by micawber at 8:36 AM on October 4, 2010 [+]


Oh, it's possible that her very last post, and abrupt departure is a complete coincidence, for sure. I've always argued that quitting a site over an online dispute is a waste of keystrokes myself. It doesn't serve any actual purpose, and you really are only punishing yourself. I've noticed that often the member then regrets a rash and emotional decision, and returns with a new identity. It's pretty sad really, and we all are somewhat diminished when these things happen.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 4:42 PM on October 7, 2010


Ok then.

I was wrong for dragging this out into public and getting overly fighty about it. I apologize to you cortex, for making your day a little bit rougher. Your comments were made in the spirit of keeping things generally cool and non-fighty and I should have seen them as such. You do a lot of great work here and care about the site deeply. Even if I disagree with you and express that, remembering the hard and awesome work you pull off and make look easy and even fun at times should always be remembered. You don't and have never worked from a position of attack or bossing members around and I deeply sorry if I gave off the impression that you did. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I apologize to you micawber for whatever part I've played in allowing our interactions to devolve into negativeness. Hopefully we can start fresh at some point. We may never agree on some things but I do respect your viewpoints and where you're coming from. Do come back, please. You add something to the site and it will be missed through your hopefully temporarily absence.

I apologize to the community at large for needlessly making a pot of shit stew, sitting it on the front lawn and vigorously stirring it. Life is short and negative times will find us all far too many times over the course of it. It's far better to enjoy the good times and better yet make some, which is the best side of Metafilter and why we're all here, repeatedly.

I'm truly sorry if I've made people's time on the site less fun, either directly or indirectly through any of my recent words or actions and will try to be less GRAR GRAR moving forward. I hope you all have a good weekend and a piece of delicious pie (or cake if you're into that sort of thing).

Thanks boo. Mucho huge thanks to the awesomely sparkly rainbow unicorn brina.
posted by nomadicink at 3:02 PM on October 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


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