Shut up, Joe. January 25, 2011 7:17 PM   Subscribe

Thank you all for a great SOTU live thread.

Most fun I've had in ages.
posted by Cool Papa Bell to Etiquette/Policy at 7:17 PM (69 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

It's still open. Maybe you should mention this in the thread?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:18 PM on January 25, 2011


No. Keep it our secret.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:21 PM on January 25, 2011


Who won the politics contest? My money was on The Freedoms, and I got in before the spread shifted to infinity.
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:28 PM on January 25, 2011


Joe Beese is cool and sends me relevant passages based on my (attempt at witty) comments.
posted by Askiba at 7:35 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


What, no one's staying for the Paul Ryan afterparty? He promised candy and his eyes told me to get in the van.
posted by 2bucksplus at 7:35 PM on January 25, 2011 [9 favorites]


Get back in the hammock right now!
posted by Babblesort at 7:37 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


Who invited you people?
posted by cjorgensen at 7:39 PM on January 25, 2011


Oh jesus, you guys are higher than Paul Ryan.
posted by malocchio at 7:42 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


@Boehner: lets get HIGH!
posted by clavdivs at 7:42 PM on January 25, 2011


Shame we can't have a mash up of thread + video.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:54 PM on January 25, 2011


SOTU? State of the Union = SotU.
posted by Eideteker at 7:56 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


SHUT OUT THOSE UTHERS.

Crap.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:08 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


someone help me make paulryanhammocks.com, it will just be some midi music and an animated gif of Ryan swinging in a hammock.
posted by 2bucksplus at 8:09 PM on January 25, 2011


> SOTU? State of the Union = SotU.

Nope. It should follow the same convention as POTUS.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:10 PM on January 25, 2011


And SCOTUS.
posted by axiom at 8:16 PM on January 25, 2011




"Shut up, [name of person whose politics you disagree with]?"

Really? How is that even close to being acceptable?
posted by drjimmy11 at 8:25 PM on January 25, 2011


Ah, I naively thought that meant Biden and thought I had missed a joke.

That isn't so hot.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:26 PM on January 25, 2011


Let's see if it's funnier when someone else says it.
Cutting the deficit by gutting our investments in innovation and education is like lightening an overloaded airplane by removing its engine. It may feel like you're flying high at first, but it won't take long before you'll feel the impact.
Nope.
posted by gman at 8:34 PM on January 25, 2011


A nation of Edisons are in a race to the top to unlock the future because it's an achievement after all, not a gift.
posted by Sailormom at 8:37 PM on January 25, 2011


It's a shit thread. This is not the best of the web, it's a well-spoken form of the posturing and trolling on youtube. One person out of ~400 has taken the trouble to write a few paragraphs, and one other person has taken the trouble to write a paragraph a few times. The rest of it is self-stroking one-liners.

For shame.
posted by anigbrowl at 9:01 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


> it's a well-spoken form of the posturing and trolling on youtube.

So, it's like most every other thread? Come on.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:05 PM on January 25, 2011


The rest of it is self-stroking one-liners.

You say that like self-stroking is a bad thing.
posted by orthogonality at 9:05 PM on January 25, 2011 [2 favorites]


yeah, well it was apt and very american.
A nation of Edison’s not commentators.

WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE LOOKING AT?
posted by The Hamms Bear at 10:50 PM on January 25 [+] [!]
that set it off.


Edison wrote The Port Huron Statement?




posted by clavdivs at 9:12 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


Bah I missed it though I've apparently won something

Who won the politics contest? My money was on The Freedoms, and I got in before the spread shifted to infinity.

posted by infini at 9:18 PM on January 25, 2011


This is not the best of the web

Hey, I posted a link to a simulcast that was online. I watched at that link off and on and there were images, information, graphics and supplemental content. Online.

I would think that would be something that should show up in the broadcast, but perhaps it is better suited for an online audience. But anyway, that was apparently unprecedented (no Perot jokes, ha. ha.) for a state of the union address. I thought it was pretty neat.

There are lots of other things online I started to post, but didn't get around to. The whitehouse twitter account was taking questions for reps, YouTube is hosting the president and you can submit questions, and so on and so forth. Honestly that would have rounded out the post. The thread wasn't bad, it just could have used more links to all the things that are going on.

But I think people have the realization that no amount of good planning and actual structured, reasoned debate are going to win this election like the last one.

The 2012 election is going to be insane. I think a lot of people are resigned to that. That huge wave of crazy people who have been mislead to think that this is a call to war are bubbling and do not listen to reason and things that make sense.

The mendocracy rules. You can say things on television that are the opposite of what you said the night before, and you don't get called on it. And a lot of people are so in battle mode, they don't care about the truth, they just want to fight somebody. It's going to be seriously ugly.

So why bother providing a bunch of information and rational points, when the election is going to be won by whoever is the best at scaring people and getting the "ignorance is strength" crowd mobilized the best?
posted by cashman at 9:20 PM on January 25, 2011


Hey, I posted a link to a simulcast that was online. I watched at that link off and on and there were images, information, graphics and supplemental content. Online.

I don't mean you - that was a good link. I'm sorry that my aggravation came across like it was directed at you for posting the subject.

I'm talking about the pathetic lack of substantive discussion in the thread overall. There are a variety of extremely bold proposal in this speech - doubling down on R&D funding in a major way, cancelling corporate welfare for existing energy companies, a major reorganization of the federal government, and a restructuring of the tax code, to name but a few headline issues. I have been watching the preparation in DC for this at the agency level over the last few weeks and been surprised at the depth and long-term nature of the shift which is being undertaken. Then I come here expecting to see a substantive discussion and...enough. I'm just disappointed.
posted by anigbrowl at 9:30 PM on January 25, 2011 [2 favorites]


> have been watching the preparation in DC for this at the agency level over the last few weeks and been surprised at the depth and long-term nature of the shift which is being undertaken.

You can certainly make a more substantive post about some of the underlying issues, but it was pretty much set up as a lulzy live blogging thing from the get go. There's room enough for both.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:33 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


Then I come here expecting to see a substantive discussion and...enough. I'm just disappointed.

You see why now though. Or so at least that is my opinion why.
posted by cashman at 9:33 PM on January 25, 2011


rational? whats rational about a bunch of politicans sitting around, by chart it seems, listening to very little that has not been already said> while in North Africa, a variation of Operation Torch is taking place. sorry, they all seem stuck in time. Like the politburo, 1988 or some shell of the Republic.
Time?; it is running out at a politically geometric rate.


posted by clavdivs at 9:39 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


morris day/joke
posted by clavdivs at 9:39 PM on January 25, 2011 [2 favorites]


Substantive discussion: As lefty liberals we don't like much of the policy in the speech but literally no one listens to us despite being right about literally everything so who cares anymore?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 9:58 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


as comedy, mefi at its finest. My eyes are watering.
papas' "Rahm, this is Ari. Come out of the bathroom, baby. You're scaring everyone."

this stuff is gold.
posted by clavdivs at 10:05 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'm talking about the pathetic lack of substantive discussion in the thread overall.

Well, it's liveblog riffing. Expecting people to be both rapid-fire chattery and paragraph-length substantive all at once is unrealistic.

Substantive discussion blossoms in an environment where there's time to relax and consider, when things are asynchronous. Which is generally how things go in a normal thread, at least after the early first chuckles, when folks have had a little time to read the links and digest the content and start digging in one comment at a time.

We don't really do the livebloggery so much on mefi as a general rule, but it pops up now and again, when something is suddenly happening and unfolding in real time (whether amusing, like the Isner-Mahut match, or terrible, like the September 11th 2001 thread). They're different beasts from a typical thread, and an acquired taste certainly. But the rapid, off-the-cuff nature of the commentary in them is a product of the circumstances, and expecting something else doesn't really make a lot of sense.

I imagine some folks will chew on the address and actually talk about it at more length and with greater consideration as the hectic spectacle of the actual event fades. I'd expect to read nuanced analysis tomorrow or next week. I wouldn't expect it today while everyone is enjoying the oddity of the OMG HAPPENING RIGHT NOW thing.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:10 PM on January 25, 2011 [4 favorites]


You say that like self-stroking is a bad thing.

Okay, now we seriously need to high-five it out. Man, I love this place despite weak-sauce callouts because our collective live-blogging failed to live up to the bizarrely sensible expectations of some random user/member. Viva MeFi.
posted by joe lisboa at 10:16 PM on January 25, 2011


I imagine some folks will chew on the address and actually talk about it at more length and with greater consideration as the hectic spectacle of the actual event fades. I'd expect to read nuanced analysis tomorrow or next week.

No, there is only Salmon.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 10:18 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


Well, enjoy your drinking game or whatever this live blogging is supposed to emulate. I have a macroeconomics exam in the morning, but after lunch I SHALL DESTROY YOU ALL.
posted by anigbrowl at 10:22 PM on January 25, 2011


I have a macroeconomics exam in the morning, but after lunch I SHALL DESTROY YOU ALL.

The first rule of macroeconomics club is do not talk about macroeconomics club.
posted by joe lisboa at 10:24 PM on January 25, 2011


hey joe.
posted by clavdivs at 10:28 PM on January 25, 2011


hey joe.

hey!
posted by joe lisboa at 10:34 PM on January 25, 2011


(see also: the title of this particular post.)
posted by joe lisboa at 10:35 PM on January 25, 2011


Vat iz all zis Salmon jokking about? All I know is that its good for the heat and therefore the Sotu
posted by infini at 10:42 PM on January 25, 2011


heart, cholestrol not heat. typojokers
posted by infini at 10:43 PM on January 25, 2011


See, I got a triple Allusion:)
ah-hem
I will burst a vessel looking at the thread a third time-ok , I do not recall anything negative said towards another mefi through the speech. This is reflexive, [Medieval Latin reflexivus, from Latin reflexus First Known Use: 1640], to some degree. No fighty.
Then this

that is kind of like saying Pol Pot, his solution is idiotic but at least he is talking about changing people's lives.
posted by edgeways at 10:53 PM on January 25 [+] [!]

I let this go because I do.
But Clarknovas’ link was not cool. And that is all I will type here.
posted by clavdivs at 11:03 PM on January 25, 2011 [2 favorites]


I'm sorry I couldn't join in the live glugging. Hi, joe lisboa; hi, joebeese; hi, Joe Biden.
posted by taz at 11:07 PM on January 25, 2011 [1 favorite]


The SOTU thing threw me; I thought Cool Papa Bell had joined some weird cult.

All hail SOTU.
posted by klangklangston at 12:00 AM on January 26, 2011 [1 favorite]


Lox for breakfast today. Seriously. With a schmear of self righteousness.
posted by fixedgear at 1:12 AM on January 26, 2011


hey joe.

where you going with that gun in your hand?
posted by NoMich at 4:40 AM on January 26, 2011


"Nope. It should follow the same convention as POTUS."

PotUS?

"And SCOTUS."

SCotUS.
posted by Eideteker at 4:42 AM on January 26, 2011


Then I come here expecting to see a substantive discussion and...enough. I'm just disappointed.

Metafilter is what you make it. You didn't comment once in that thread. If you wanted the discussion to take a more serious direction, then you should have contributed some serious comments yourself.
posted by MegoSteve at 5:57 AM on January 26, 2011 [2 favorites]


To avoid confusion, there will be no more initialisms, acronyms, or abbreviations on MetaFilter or any affiliate site of the MetaFilter Network, LLC.

Let me rephrase that for you live-blogging shaven apes:
GTFO LULZ
posted by Mister_A at 6:12 AM on January 26, 2011


The SOTU thing threw me; I thought Cool Papa Bell had joined some weird cult.

It makes me think of old digital sound interfaces and software. MOTU = Mark of the Unicorn = what I cut my home recordist teeth on back in college.
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:33 AM on January 26, 2011 [1 favorite]


430 comments saying nothing at all.
posted by smackfu at 7:04 AM on January 26, 2011


Mark of the Unicorn = MotU

Seriously, this is not hard, people.
posted by Eideteker at 7:18 AM on January 26, 2011 [1 favorite]


RotN = Revenge of the Nerds
posted by Mister_A at 7:42 AM on January 26, 2011


Who wants a hot plate of salmon taters?
posted by lukemeister at 7:49 AM on January 26, 2011


"Shut up, [name of person whose politics you disagree with]?"

Really? How is that even close to being acceptable?


It was intended as a joke about Joe Biden.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:14 AM on January 26, 2011


Rot13 = Revenge of the Nerds
posted by Babblesort at 8:29 AM on January 26, 2011 [2 favorites]


This is the downside to the live thread or open thread threads. I'm not saying they're not fun, but this site isn't really set up for them and there's a split in the community over whether that is what threads should be. Speaking only for myself, they're not so awesome to moderate [yes we saw clarknova's comment, and people had already responded to it by the time we got to it, leading to a conundrum] and they're often the thinnest of links followed by a generalized discussion. Other political sites do this more often and with a community that is expecting that sort of thing. We'd still like people to link to stuff that is on the web [not "oh look, big thing happening soon"] even if it means a bit of lag time in having the cuttingest of edges jump on the content.

I'm aware that my opinion is just one person's opinion on this. We're not planning to doing anything differently modwise, but if people enjoy this type of discusison, it might be nice to make more of an effort with the original post and/or realize that some people do want to talk about the thing not do realtime lulz of an unfolding event.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:43 AM on January 26, 2011


Props to the moderators for allowing "chatfilter" in this kind of case. (Not being sarcastic.)
posted by callmejay at 10:25 AM on January 26, 2011


Metafilter is what you make it. You didn't comment once in that thread. If you wanted the discussion to take a more serious direction, then you should have contributed some serious comments yourself.

Usually I'd agree, but when there's ~400 messages already up then it's a waste of time; people don't want to slow down for a weightier post. Personally I feel chatfilter is better here than on MeFi. Although there are some serious discussions there today they're buried under a long page of cruft.

This is a pity, both because I think the SotU speech is Serious Business and because in this case the signs are that a radical reshaping of government and the economic environment is in the offing.
posted by anigbrowl at 11:22 AM on January 26, 2011


> This is a pity, both because I think the SotU speech is Serious Business and because in this case the signs are that a radical reshaping of government and the economic environment is in the offing.

How is it a pity? People can't have fun? Besides, there will be plenty of time to have posts about individual components of the issues raised in Obama's address. You can go make one at any time instead of calling everyone out for not upholding some lofty standard.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:53 AM on January 26, 2011


Metafilter almost never does livebloggy threads like that. As it's so rare, you might cut us news junkies some slack once in a while.


"I think the SotU speech is Serious Business and because in this case the signs are that a radical reshaping of government and the economic environment is in the offing."

For what it's worth, I would disagree heartily with both premises. Maybe that's why I'm not bothered by a lulzy live thread.
posted by CunningLinguist at 11:57 AM on January 26, 2011 [1 favorite]


I had no intention of creating a liveblogging thread. I linked to the text of the speech so all of us could read it, take some time to digest it, and post discussion on the subject in the form of five paragraph essays. The timing of posting it right before the speech started on TV was purely and entirely coincidental.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:11 PM on January 26, 2011


I had no intention of creating a liveblogging thread.

Good thing that didn't stop you from posting something like 40 one-liners in the thread.
posted by knave at 10:12 PM on January 26, 2011


The irony of the preceding comment being a one-liner is not lost on me, nor is the meta-irony of this one.
posted by knave at 10:13 PM on January 26, 2011


I'm pretty sure something is lost on you here.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 10:18 PM on January 26, 2011


Yeah, that's what I get for commenting after reading the first sentence.
posted by knave at 10:25 PM on January 26, 2011


I just posted this in the thread on the blue, but I don't imagine too many people are gonna head there anymore and it needs to be seen, so here it is.

Apparently, WTF = Winning The Future. That particular WTF moment lasts about 30 seconds, but the extra stoopid continues here.
posted by gman at 4:32 AM on January 27, 2011


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