Chatfilter posts are bad posts. May 16, 2002 12:19 AM   Subscribe

You're kidding, right?
posted by Su to Etiquette/Policy at 12:19 AM (45 comments total)

Similar issue recently discussed (assuming I understand Su's objection) here, for those of you not keeping score at home.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:23 AM on May 16, 2002


Not to mention...
posted by Su at 12:25 AM on May 16, 2002


Su I think you need to put away your officer's hat and don the chill cap for a while.

In the words of Matt "Despite what the guidelines say, people are going to talk about what they want to talk about. There have been threads for almost every >$100 million movie released, so just let them be and let the people interested in them speak freely."


posted by Frasermoo at 12:40 AM on May 16, 2002


At least link to a review or something. Plot elements are being discussed and it really hasn't been released yet. Midnight shows don't count.

Ideally, he should have linked to some content and people should label their posts spoiler if they're going to go on about the movie. He should have just linked to some star wars webboard, its essentially what's going on now.

Frasermoo, you're missing the point. The post is simply a link to starwars.com. Not to mention there's already a star wars post sitting on the front page. Su is rightfully complaining about posts without a link, not the topic.
posted by skallas at 12:58 AM on May 16, 2002


A link to the metacritic reviews would be more helpful and actually provide some fodder for discussion. Y'know, like the link is supposed to do. I don't care about talking about Star Wars, I love talking about Star Wars, it's just a sucky post and we shouldn't be afraid to say that.
posted by nedrichards at 2:00 AM on May 16, 2002


What Matt said! People are not going to talk about what some reviewer has posted online; people are going to talk about the movie itself. A generic link to www.google.com would be as relevant to the discussion as a link to metacritic.

This is just like some sports championship thread showing up on a guitar playing message board. It happens so learn to deal with it. aaronshaf thoughtfully kept the writeup to one line, so those who were not interested could easily skip over it.

Getting stressed over something this trivial leads to early heart disease.
posted by mischief at 3:45 AM on May 16, 2002




Thanks jackiemcghee. That was very necessary.
posted by Irontom at 4:40 AM on May 16, 2002


Bad post. No linkee, no postee.
posted by rushmc at 6:57 AM on May 16, 2002


I am sure no one will miss you, rush.
posted by mischief at 7:31 AM on May 16, 2002


su: you're going to catch a lot of shit for bringing this up, especially on the heels of your last metatalk post...

but you are one hundered percent correct.

both threads should be deleted. i don't care how many comments they have. each one baldly flouts site guidelines. is it the end of the world? no. but it will soon be the end of metafilter if we continue allowing shitty threads to proliferate.
posted by mlang at 8:11 AM on May 16, 2002


Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.
posted by dangerman at 8:34 AM on May 16, 2002


Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.

Wow, you're edgy and sexy. I'll bet you have a motorcycle, or perhaps have seen one at some point.

This trend is getting pretty out of hand. Announcement by studio of [movie X]? Link posted. Initial previews of [movie X]? Link posted. Postproduction previews of [movie X]? Link posted. Premiere of [movie X]? Link posted. Have you seen [movie X]? Sigh . . . link posted.
posted by Skot at 8:42 AM on May 16, 2002


Why not protest by refusing to post comments??? Then perhaps they will get the hint and stop posting tripe. It has worked for me on occasion (aka you peeps don't comment ergo I know not to post such crap again)...


posted by gloege at 8:43 AM on May 16, 2002


I think it's important that people stick up for the guidelines here on MetaTalk regardless of its actual effectiveness. It's not about influence; it's about principle.

People who criticize Su are just criticizing MetaFilter's/Matt's guidelines in a roundabout way. If you don't like the guidelines, criticize them, discuss hypothetical changes, do something positive and direct. Saying "boys will be boys" is just stating the obvious.

I'm very liberal regarding posts but that's, paradoxically, a luxury afforded me by the fact that the great majority of fellow users stick to the guidelines("no linkee, no postee" in rushmc's immortal words)and that people like Su are not afraid to point out cases of flagrant disregard.

[No, not fragrant Stav. We'll have no farting jokes today, thank you very much. ;)]
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:11 AM on May 16, 2002


Mlang: Yeah, I figure I probably will get some shit. Eh. Part of the purpose of this is that most people who argue against this kind of post try to make some sort of claim that "it doesn't happen every day." Well, here's the second time in two days I've done this. Then there's the Vanilla Coke post. And the one with absolutely no link at all before that.

Gloege: I didn't comment. I put nothing in there other than the standard "MetaTalk" with link to corresponding thread. All possibilities were left open for someone to at least make an attempt at linking, which actually happened immediately after my comment.

If what you mean is not to comment at all, then you're basically saying to just let the site devolve into a bunch of little subject-based ghetto factions. I accept that people want to talk about the war(to point out one of the more obvious groups), but they at least continually find new information to link to, generally. They don't just make all their posts point to say, an on-line copy of Bush's declaration.
posted by Su at 9:19 AM on May 16, 2002


Hold on. I'm taking the Vanilla Coke post back. There actually was an opinionated link in that one.
posted by Su at 9:21 AM on May 16, 2002


Find me a hall-monitor who doesn't get stick from their fellow students.
posted by Frasermoo at 9:25 AM on May 16, 2002


And lord knows MeFi needs more Hall-Monitors...
posted by dangerman at 10:10 AM on May 16, 2002


Mom, dan's bitching about the people who are bitching again!
posted by corpse at 10:42 AM on May 16, 2002


people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless? it's as though they think any complaint is instantly invalid, just by the nature of being a complaint.

get a clue! some things do not belong on mefi, and one of the goals of metatalk is to talk about which is which and make visiting mefi a more rewarding experience. if the best thing you have to offer is "quit complaining!" then keep it to yourself because it doesn't help the discussion at all and just makes you look like a sourpuss.
posted by mcsweetie at 11:03 AM on May 16, 2002


I am a meta-sourpuss.
posted by dangerman at 11:08 AM on May 16, 2002


wait...mcsweetie is bitching about me bitching about petty post bitching. So that makes him a meta-meta-sourpuss.
posted by dangerman at 11:10 AM on May 16, 2002


Hmm...

This is indeed a disturbing trend, and the old link vs. discussion debate now continues. However, a link is required for a discussion. The fact that this was a double-post, and that the poster essentially made MeFi into a messageboard, as skallas has already pointed out, is wrong. Frasermoo, mischief, and those who agree with them...you are misunderstanding the purpose behind MetaFilter. Sure, the site has evolved over the years, however, the link remains crucial for the site's existence. Without proper Front Page Posts, this site goes to hell. The fact that this needs to be pointed out speaks volumes in regards to your respect for the site.

Beyond that, this site is not a chat session, which is what idiotic links like this create. MeFi receives millions of pageviews for inciteful links, along with usually intelligent commentary, not passe reviews of Star Wars.
posted by BlueTrain at 11:21 AM on May 16, 2002


people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless? it's as though they think any complaint is instantly invalid, just by the nature of being a complaint.

Hey, take it to ... oh.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 11:25 AM on May 16, 2002


It's times like this that we should take some time out to discuss a quality movie like Life as a House.
posted by Skot at 11:35 AM on May 16, 2002


I hear Yoda kicks ass in that.
posted by dangerman at 11:40 AM on May 16, 2002


I hear Yoda kicks ass in that.

HEY! How about a spoiler alert, buddy!
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 11:42 AM on May 16, 2002


I find it endlessly comedic to watch mcsweetie constantly ordering us to shut up in MeTa, while he has compelling discussions like these in his own forum to hold his attention.
posted by darukaru at 12:05 PM on May 16, 2002


Actually, I found the post amusing: It went up at 11:59, exactly a minute before the first showing was to begin.

[Yes, I'm aware there are non-Pacific time zones, but they exist entirely beyond the horizon of my caring.]
posted by majick at 12:36 PM on May 16, 2002


mcsweetie: people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless?

Yes. You bitching about people bitching about people bitching.
posted by Danelope at 1:18 PM on May 16, 2002


Actually Yoda bitching about people bitching would be pretty bitchin.
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:36 PM on May 16, 2002


good night everyone, please tip your waitress!
posted by eyeballkid at 1:38 PM on May 16, 2002


*clap, clap*
posted by nprigoda at 1:40 PM on May 16, 2002


Begun, this bitch war has.
posted by mcwetboy at 2:30 PM on May 16, 2002


I find it endlessly comedic to watch mcsweetie constantly ordering us to shut up in MeTa, while he has compelling discussions like these in his own forum to hold his attention.

does anyone hear that grindy sound? listen real close... do you hear it now? I think it's darukaru, face first in the insult barrel, presumably scraping the bottom of it!
posted by mcsweetie at 4:18 PM on May 16, 2002


mcsweetie, are you intentionally acting as a hypocrite, or are you completely oblivious? Could we please let this go?
posted by BlueTrain at 4:25 PM on May 16, 2002


Darth Sourpuss.
posted by dangerman at 6:40 PM on May 16, 2002


jackiemcghee, I really don't like spoilers and its pretty pragmatic to stay away from the info (like I posted way back when) but there's still curtesy to consider. If you think I'm warffling, fine, but I've seen things get a lot nastier recently regarding spoilers. For instance, I got 4 major plot points from someone's slashdot sig in an unrelated discussion. I think I have the right to change my opinion as things change.

Secondly, my other post defends the group dynamic here, not posting without a link. That's taken completely out of context. I think its very obvious that I was discussing lackluster posts not posts that link to essentially nothing and exist as an excuse to chat.

Lastly, how about that Yoda?
posted by skallas at 6:45 PM on May 16, 2002


Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.
wrong. mefi has always been a bunch of whiny bitches. that's what keeps me coming back for more of that whiny bitch yummy goodness!
posted by quonsar at 6:52 PM on May 16, 2002


If you think I'm warffling

I'll curtesy to you if your warfles are as good as those parncakes I keep hearing about around here.

I'm sorry, I really have an impulse control problem. And a pedantry problem. And lots of other problems I won't bore me or you with. And I still say Oracle coulda kicked Yoda's ass with a plate o'cookies in one hand and a smoke in the other.
posted by WolfDaddy at 7:16 PM on May 16, 2002


*big wet smooches for everyone, but only mcsweetie gets tongue*
posted by darukaru at 7:19 PM on May 16, 2002


ewww.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:49 PM on May 16, 2002


Could we please let this go?

I've made my point and if no one has anything else to add to it, sure.
posted by mcsweetie at 11:30 PM on May 16, 2002


Skallas, you read too much into my post. I pretty much agree with you. Like I said, what you posted tickled my memory - no attack on your opinion was intended.

People are way too touchy around here.
posted by jackiemcghee at 12:55 AM on May 17, 2002


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