What do we think about kuro5hin? September 22, 2002 3:54 PM Subscribe
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
Searching MeFi for discussion about kuro5hin.org didn't answer my question. The site founder, Rusty Foster, does have a MeFi account, but his comments don't help much, either.
It's been said at both sites that the readership overlaps, and both sites seem to be compatriots in the community blogosphere, but I was somewhat surprised that K5 readers (well two, at least :-) didn't buy buying my assertion that K5 didn't have to link to a certain story because MeFi already had done so. Then I realized that MeFi readers would probably say the feeling's mutual.
I'm relatively new to MeFi, but I think I'm a quick study. It seems to me that because of that site's structure, K5 is more suited to long, developed, original stories. Its sophisticated mojo system (comment ratings, etc.) and nested comments allow more thorough discussions. But MeFi feels much more like a traditional blog -- updated several times a day with brief links and comments. K5 favors technology and culture stories, while MeFi is much more eclectic.
I hope other, more experienced MeFi members who also hang out at kuro5hin.org will elaborate.
Searching MeFi for discussion about kuro5hin.org didn't answer my question. The site founder, Rusty Foster, does have a MeFi account, but his comments don't help much, either.
It's been said at both sites that the readership overlaps, and both sites seem to be compatriots in the community blogosphere, but I was somewhat surprised that K5 readers (well two, at least :-) didn't buy buying my assertion that K5 didn't have to link to a certain story because MeFi already had done so. Then I realized that MeFi readers would probably say the feeling's mutual.
I'm relatively new to MeFi, but I think I'm a quick study. It seems to me that because of that site's structure, K5 is more suited to long, developed, original stories. Its sophisticated mojo system (comment ratings, etc.) and nested comments allow more thorough discussions. But MeFi feels much more like a traditional blog -- updated several times a day with brief links and comments. K5 favors technology and culture stories, while MeFi is much more eclectic.
I hope other, more experienced MeFi members who also hang out at kuro5hin.org will elaborate.
RUSTY
Why don't you just ask him? Or why don't you just ask mathowie, in private email, instead of in a buddy-link?
posted by neu at 4:21 PM on September 22, 2002
Why don't you just ask him? Or why don't you just ask mathowie, in private email, instead of in a buddy-link?
posted by neu at 4:21 PM on September 22, 2002
The whole point of a community blog is to foster discussion in the community. I wouldn't get a meaningful answer by asking only rusty and mathowie.
posted by tbc at 4:28 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by tbc at 4:28 PM on September 22, 2002
Oh, how naive.
That's what I also believed in yesterday. Until one hundred little dogs barked at me and made me change my mind.
posted by neu at 4:30 PM on September 22, 2002
That's what I also believed in yesterday. Until one hundred little dogs barked at me and made me change my mind.
posted by neu at 4:30 PM on September 22, 2002
boy some one sure has a stick up their ass!
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 4:41 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 4:41 PM on September 22, 2002
Ignore neu. Neu's currently flaming out bunny-style.
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
The developers of the two sites are friends, but I think that the two sites should (and do) function as separate universes.
posted by Darth Vader at 4:41 PM on September 22, 2002
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
The developers of the two sites are friends, but I think that the two sites should (and do) function as separate universes.
posted by Darth Vader at 4:41 PM on September 22, 2002
I think your 4th paragraph pretty much sums it up. Rusty is also a member here and occasionally posts what I consider very nice comments.
Plastic is also one I would consider to be in the community group. If your question is about why the people at k5 didn't like your "scooped by mefi" comment, the consensus on most community websites (these 3 anyway) is that a link on one site shouldn't stop links on the other, because not everyone reads them all. Also, where do you draw the line? would you include slashdot, boingboing, new york times, bbc? I think you have a pretty good handle on the differences between k5 and mefi though. I would also add that the quality of discussion on mefi, I think, is better. While k5 does have threading and can better control the flow of conversation and remain on topic, I think metafilter does a better job of holding people to a higher standard when arguing a case. The way stories get posted is also a big difference, k5 stories are voted for, while mefi is a free-for-all. Some people on k5 are intermittently concerned that this makes for "navel-gazing" stories that are not too earth-shattering. Also, k5 discourages what they call "mindless link propagation" in favor of original articles with supporting links, this is different from mefi.
p.s. don't let neu get you down, issues are going on in another thread.
posted by rhyax at 4:42 PM on September 22, 2002
Plastic is also one I would consider to be in the community group. If your question is about why the people at k5 didn't like your "scooped by mefi" comment, the consensus on most community websites (these 3 anyway) is that a link on one site shouldn't stop links on the other, because not everyone reads them all. Also, where do you draw the line? would you include slashdot, boingboing, new york times, bbc? I think you have a pretty good handle on the differences between k5 and mefi though. I would also add that the quality of discussion on mefi, I think, is better. While k5 does have threading and can better control the flow of conversation and remain on topic, I think metafilter does a better job of holding people to a higher standard when arguing a case. The way stories get posted is also a big difference, k5 stories are voted for, while mefi is a free-for-all. Some people on k5 are intermittently concerned that this makes for "navel-gazing" stories that are not too earth-shattering. Also, k5 discourages what they call "mindless link propagation" in favor of original articles with supporting links, this is different from mefi.
p.s. don't let neu get you down, issues are going on in another thread.
posted by rhyax at 4:42 PM on September 22, 2002
Heh. I have never even seen K5 before right now. Thanks for the link!
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:46 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:46 PM on September 22, 2002
It's simple.
As an April Fool's Joke, Matt and Rusty "merged" the two sites together, sort of as a play on AOL/Time-Warner, Disney/Capital Cities/ABC, and Vivendi/Universal.
It was pulled off so ebaborately ( new logos & everything), that a number of folks from both sites thought it was real.
In fact, a few websites throughout the globe bought into it as well.
posted by Smart Dalek at 4:46 PM on September 22, 2002
As an April Fool's Joke, Matt and Rusty "merged" the two sites together, sort of as a play on AOL/Time-Warner, Disney/Capital Cities/ABC, and Vivendi/Universal.
It was pulled off so ebaborately ( new logos & everything), that a number of folks from both sites thought it was real.
In fact, a few websites throughout the globe bought into it as well.
posted by Smart Dalek at 4:46 PM on September 22, 2002
"elaborately". Damn. Remember Spell Check.
posted by Smart Dalek at 4:48 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by Smart Dalek at 4:48 PM on September 22, 2002
buddy-link, buddy-link, buddy-link
Not that it's a problem, mind you :)
posted by neu at 4:59 PM on September 22, 2002
Not that it's a problem, mind you :)
posted by neu at 4:59 PM on September 22, 2002
The two sites feel quite similar because they both foster communities of youngish, tech educated people who value signal over noise. They probably felt even more alike when the userbases were smaller and thus much more likely to be drawn from the same pool of 'web-literate' people.
Many of the same themes crop up - we're navel gazers, the site ain't what it used to be etc. - but I tend to think of k5 as the more serious of the two sites because of the way in which Mindless Link Propagation is openly looked down upon by many people there.
posted by MUD at 5:02 PM on September 22, 2002
Many of the same themes crop up - we're navel gazers, the site ain't what it used to be etc. - but I tend to think of k5 as the more serious of the two sites because of the way in which Mindless Link Propagation is openly looked down upon by many people there.
posted by MUD at 5:02 PM on September 22, 2002
Can somebody use the Mattsignal to get the big guy in here? Neu is crapping in every thread he can find. You know, I don't think I like the man all that much.
posted by Hildago at 5:35 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by Hildago at 5:35 PM on September 22, 2002
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
They like eachother very much, but still need to see other sites.
posted by jonmc at 5:40 PM on September 22, 2002
They like eachother very much, but still need to see other sites.
posted by jonmc at 5:40 PM on September 22, 2002
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
m=k52
posted by dash_slot- at 5:50 PM on September 22, 2002
m=k52
posted by dash_slot- at 5:50 PM on September 22, 2002
btw: what you give attention to, you get more of...
posted by dash_slot- at 5:51 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by dash_slot- at 5:51 PM on September 22, 2002
The April Fool's URL is still available, by the way.
Rusty and I used to live a couple blocks from each other, but we aware of each other and emailed back and forth a bit before that. It took a while before I figured out he lived right off the same street. We kind of cross paths every now and then at conferences and such and I chat with him every now and then.
As for where mefi and k5 intersect, I guess mefi is like the MLP section of k5, but on steroids, and it has an ultra simplified interface, not offering any sorts of comment sorting, voting, or even threading. Things at k5 seem to be discussed and dissected in finer levels, while things run faster and looser here.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:26 PM on September 22, 2002
Rusty and I used to live a couple blocks from each other, but we aware of each other and emailed back and forth a bit before that. It took a while before I figured out he lived right off the same street. We kind of cross paths every now and then at conferences and such and I chat with him every now and then.
As for where mefi and k5 intersect, I guess mefi is like the MLP section of k5, but on steroids, and it has an ultra simplified interface, not offering any sorts of comment sorting, voting, or even threading. Things at k5 seem to be discussed and dissected in finer levels, while things run faster and looser here.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:26 PM on September 22, 2002
What's the relationship between kuro5hin and MetaFilter?
hey! they are both minors. sheesh! what do you think this is anyway, pedofilter?
posted by quonsar at 9:57 PM on September 22, 2002
hey! they are both minors. sheesh! what do you think this is anyway, pedofilter?
posted by quonsar at 9:57 PM on September 22, 2002
I don't understand the point of this conversation? No offense, but seriously.
posted by Witty at 10:16 PM on September 22, 2002
posted by Witty at 10:16 PM on September 22, 2002
There isn't one, much.
As always, my view on duplication of links across blogs and boards is that they happen. If you have a link that you're bringing over from fark, or k5, or /., and so forth, the key is to be quite sure you're bringing something of value along with the link -- some intelligent commentary or discussing-framing. A link that's been seen before, and about which threads have been written and read before, is just as annoying if it's at three different sites as if it's all at the very same site, i.e. roughly the same problems as a local double-post.
posted by dhartung at 10:41 PM on September 22, 2002
As always, my view on duplication of links across blogs and boards is that they happen. If you have a link that you're bringing over from fark, or k5, or /., and so forth, the key is to be quite sure you're bringing something of value along with the link -- some intelligent commentary or discussing-framing. A link that's been seen before, and about which threads have been written and read before, is just as annoying if it's at three different sites as if it's all at the very same site, i.e. roughly the same problems as a local double-post.
posted by dhartung at 10:41 PM on September 22, 2002
"A link that's been seen before, and about which threads have been written and read before, is just as annoying if it's at three different sites as if it's all at the very same site, i.e. roughly the same problems as a local double-post."
I don't know, Dan. Of all the sites you listed (fark, k5, slashdot) I only read fark (I love to photoshop), and not as regularly as Mefi, and I'm willing to bet I spend more time on the web than 90% of Mefi members. If someone says "I saw such-and-such on Plastic (or k5, or /., or kottke, or [insert whatever site here])" there's a pretty good chance I haven't seen it if it hasn't made the Mefi front page, and if I have seen it elsewhere I'm still more interested in what the Mefi membership has to say about it than I am in anyone else's membership, because you people are all much smarter and more attractive than any other site's members.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:10 PM on September 22, 2002
I don't know, Dan. Of all the sites you listed (fark, k5, slashdot) I only read fark (I love to photoshop), and not as regularly as Mefi, and I'm willing to bet I spend more time on the web than 90% of Mefi members. If someone says "I saw such-and-such on Plastic (or k5, or /., or kottke, or [insert whatever site here])" there's a pretty good chance I haven't seen it if it hasn't made the Mefi front page, and if I have seen it elsewhere I'm still more interested in what the Mefi membership has to say about it than I am in anyone else's membership, because you people are all much smarter and more attractive than any other site's members.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:10 PM on September 22, 2002
*poses, preens*
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:23 AM on September 23, 2002
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:23 AM on September 23, 2002
[...] I'm still more interested in what the Mefi membership has to say about it than I am in anyone else's membership, because you people are all much smarter and more attractive than any other site's members.
Ah, nothing beats the feeling of sunshine up my skirt in the morning. Lovely.
posted by ChrisTN at 6:22 AM on September 23, 2002
Ah, nothing beats the feeling of sunshine up my skirt in the morning. Lovely.
posted by ChrisTN at 6:22 AM on September 23, 2002
I don't know about you, but I can't seem to get enough of those messages by neu.
posted by crunchland at 7:29 AM on September 23, 2002
posted by crunchland at 7:29 AM on September 23, 2002
I agree with mr_davis; I never visit fark, k5, slashdot, or plastic, and appreciate it when people post interesting links from those sites on MeFi (although I gather fark is not teeming with links I want to see). In general, I'm dubious about the argument "everybody here reads X, so let's not have X links" -- are we that sure about our collective reading habits?
posted by languagehat at 10:14 AM on September 23, 2002
posted by languagehat at 10:14 AM on September 23, 2002
I don't know about you, but I can't seem to get enough of those messages by neu.
Suddenly, seeing crunchland's comment somehow made the entire neu/Googlebombing/MetaFilter insanity this weekend make perfect sense...
The batteries in neu's broom ran out.
posted by Danelope at 10:57 AM on September 23, 2002
Suddenly, seeing crunchland's comment somehow made the entire neu/Googlebombing/MetaFilter insanity this weekend make perfect sense...
The batteries in neu's broom ran out.
posted by Danelope at 10:57 AM on September 23, 2002
Thanks for all the great comments. It's all fascinating to me. FWIW, my home page still raves about Wiki Wiki Webs. I'm a big fan of Wikipedia. In fact, I discovered K5 via the Wikipedia community. I still think Wikis are cool, but blogs seem to have a broader appeal. I started running my wikis like blogs. Unfortunately, swiki.net doesn't get indexed by Google. Oh, well. I don't have time right now to run my own blog, anyway. It's all I can do to keep my church Web site up to date.
posted by tbc at 12:29 PM on September 23, 2002
posted by tbc at 12:29 PM on September 23, 2002
Cool. Thanks, moss. I'd seen a few, but didn't now about AbbeNormal.
posted by tbc at 4:31 PM on September 23, 2002
posted by tbc at 4:31 PM on September 23, 2002
What Matt said. :-)
I won't even get into the bizarre circuitous path that led me to this thread, except to say that it proves once again my theory that I only find interesting things on MeFi when I'm not looking for them. I don't read MeTa for like one day, and just look what happens.
posted by rusty at 5:27 AM on September 24, 2002
I won't even get into the bizarre circuitous path that led me to this thread, except to say that it proves once again my theory that I only find interesting things on MeFi when I'm not looking for them. I don't read MeTa for like one day, and just look what happens.
posted by rusty at 5:27 AM on September 24, 2002
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tbc
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Everything's relative
posted by matteo at 4:03 PM on September 22, 2002