This shouldn't even be on the news... May 7, 2003 11:13 AM   Subscribe

Dude! I have always wanted to be the first person to post a snarky "double post" meta thread. Kick ass!
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly to Etiquette/Policy at 11:13 AM (66 comments total)

Self-link. I suck at being quick-witted.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 11:13 AM on May 7, 2003

I think live footage of anything is ok though... er sumthin'. Although the live footage could stand to be a bit more dramatic.
posted by Witty at 11:19 AM on May 7, 2003

It's certainly something. I say let it go and hope that anyone else that does it has similarly unique news.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:32 AM on May 7, 2003

Where's the moral clarity? I say heads must roll!
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 11:34 AM on May 7, 2003

Feel the love.
posted by crunchburger at 11:41 AM on May 7, 2003

Like I said in the comments (but expanded on here)...

(and far be it from me to question Mr. M, but...)

I don't even think this sort of thing belongs on the news. I couldn't believe it was carried on the national cable news networks... A fire, by itself, isn't news. Local stations have far too often used coverage of fires instead of actually going out and gathering news. It's easier, but it isn't journalism.

Beyond that, I don't think that it belongs here. I come here to find posts that meet the following criteria:
"A good post to MetaFilter is something that meets the following criteria: most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others."

I saw this before (on CNN). While the content of the page may be interesting, but the stuff about the fire isn't... and lastly, what discussion will it warrant?

"Will you look at that thing burn!"

This is my take on it, of course. Your mileage may vary...
posted by jpburns at 11:51 AM on May 7, 2003

I'm getting dizzy.
posted by tr33hggr at 12:03 PM on May 7, 2003

I'm with jpburns. Neither unique nor interesting.

Meaning the link.

*kowtows out of room*

posted by gottabefunky at 12:04 PM on May 7, 2003

5 days, 5 MetaTalk threads. The front page looks like a straight flush. Do we get any money for this?
posted by PrinceValium at 12:07 PM on May 7, 2003

say matt, since you are really responsible for the long standing culture of 'self-policing', and it's become quite clear that you have a majorly relaxed attitude toward it all lately (and serious congrats on that!) perhaps an outright statement that double posts and self links are now ok is in order. then you wouldn't have to be deleting the comments of those who criticise them.
posted by quonsar at 12:10 PM on May 7, 2003

You might also want to mention how it's now okay to post links to op-ed pieces, political screeds and front-page news.
posted by timeistight at 12:34 PM on May 7, 2003


posted by y6y6y6 at 12:41 PM on May 7, 2003

Well, I don't know about all this self-link stuff, but y6y6y6's clam dip recipe sure kicks ass.
posted by briank at 12:50 PM on May 7, 2003

clamdipfilter, here we come! :-)
posted by quonsar at 12:58 PM on May 7, 2003

I want to express dissent, but seeing as how my first post was about Britney giving Mexicans the finger and Matt let it go, I somehow feel I don't have the right.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:59 PM on May 7, 2003

I agree with the heads-must-roll crowd. But, Matt, if you really don't give a shit any more, please say so; it's hard to do the self-policing thing not knowing if it's to any purpose. (Is God dead? If so, why be moral? Discuss.)

Besides, like jpburns said... a fire? What's next, car chases?
posted by languagehat at 1:04 PM on May 7, 2003

perhaps an outright statement that double posts and self links are now ok is in order.

IMO, this is rare and is of the merit for a Front page post. Around this parts not to long back....(michiganese for 'backwards journalism')

we had a propane truck smack into an exit ramp. The local news station captured it (SKYCAM) and it was something. But a person was killed, i mean this explosion destroyed an off ramp and weakend the freeways structural integrety. I do not think that should be a post though. Not a self link. it would be LocalNewsFilter. Todays post is news and therefore fits the criteria for posting. Now if one went and recorded a housefire would that be acceptable? I imagine filming that would draw some mob that would start with:

"hey, whattyer doin?"

start like that see.

maybe we could have "badass" stars. (like STAN...)
like ribbons
ya know
he whom has the most commments deleted.
I wonder what a "banned" ribbon would look like?
posted by clavdivs at 1:05 PM on May 7, 2003

"but y6y6y6's clam dip recipe sure kicks ass."

Wait till I film the clam dip. That will be an FPP for all time.

The trick is to not "over do" the sherry. It marries with the garlic perfectly and provides an aromatic character that one doesn't normally find in chip dip. But if you add too much it ends up being a clammy tasting sherry dip. Not good.

I'll post all the details on my site and then link it here tomorrow. Self-linking rocks!!! Why haven't we been doing this all along?
posted by y6y6y6 at 1:16 PM on May 7, 2003

I've got to propose calling bullshit on letting this go. This is not any more interesting/engaging/postworthy than the thread that got deleted within the last couple of weeks where the guy saw some Madonna posters that had been covered up by Che posters(Ref: What Vraxoin said).

He at least(IIRC) put the images on an unlinked document within his site, not on his front page. I'm not in any way accusing Coudal of clickwhoring, but it just seems that one of the few things that tends to save a self-link when it's allowed is that you really are linking to just the information you're presenting.
posted by Su at 1:20 PM on May 7, 2003

These standards have never been rigorous. I once posted a link to the local weather report with impunity. Although enough people responded to my 'Snow in the South' spin to possibly salvage it, that post seems marginal as hell to me now, and I'm surprised no one confronted me for it at the time.

Posts at this site have always lived or died by Matt's judgement. In this case, he may have felt it was more important to discourage a pile-up on a new poster who fucked up than to keep the site pure of self-links.
posted by crunchburger at 1:58 PM on May 7, 2003

"How come Andrew gets to get up? If he gets up, we'll all get up. It'll be ANARCHY!"
posted by jpoulos at 2:01 PM on May 7, 2003

"...he may have felt it was more important to discourage a pile-up on a new poster who fucked up..."

Since coudal has been around longer than I, can I claim "new poster" status, too?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:06 PM on May 7, 2003

So the other day, I post a link to an NPR story about blogging in which I happened to be interviewed. Still, the link is clearly not to my site, but rather to NPR directly.

But clearly, I'm crossing into the realm of self linking. In an effort to adhere to the guidelines, I post the link to MeTa in the hopes that someone else might find it interesting enough to post to MeFi proper.

Before that can happen, however, the MeTa thread is killed. This is a bit irritating, but such was the will of Matt. I was somewhat let down by the community, but such is life.

And then today, someone posts a self link directly to his own site, and it's allowed to continue happily along on the MeFi front page. Is the video footage interesting? Yes. I'm of the mind that it makes for a decent post.

I thought the NPR story would have been as well. Indeed, I think many readers would like to have been notified in advance of a Morning Edition story focusing blogging - what MeFi is, ostensibly, all about.

And so I'm a little pissed off . . .
posted by aladfar at 2:10 PM on May 7, 2003

aladfar, Metafilter is and always has been a benevolent dictatorship. One of the drawbacks of this system is that arbitrary decisions can't be checked. Nature of the beast, dude.
posted by PrinceValium at 2:28 PM on May 7, 2003

aladfar, I deleted your post because you posted it in metatalk where it wasn't appropriate (blogroots would have been best). MetaTalk isn't a "staging area" or on-deck circle, it's a place to post bugs and talk about metafilter itself.

I'm not saying the coudal post is great, it's barely tolerable, plus yeah, it's a self link, but it's not the kind of thing someone can fake or do merely for the traffic. A building exploded, it's not something that happens everyday and not something I think will come up often enough to worry about, which is why I think people should relax on it.

As for double posts, I delete as many as I see, and I've spent the past two days at an adaptive path seminar, so I probably missed several. My apologies, but I need to build better reporting mechanisms for users to contact me.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:39 PM on May 7, 2003

like a batsignal or something.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:35 PM on May 7, 2003

Quick, to the Mattsignal!


I so totally just got this image of Matt sliding down a firepole in tights and a cape. Now I need brain soap.
posted by rusty at 3:42 PM on May 7, 2003

I need to build better reporting mechanisms for users to contact me.
Just post your mobile phone number on the main page of MeFi. We won't abuse it - honest!
posted by dg at 4:20 PM on May 7, 2003

Seven days in May..President Lyman: "You know what he carries in that box? The codes. The codes by which I, Jordan Lyman, can give the order sending us into a nuclear war." Admiral Barnswell: "Frankly, I wish I had more time." General Scott: "I think we'll be sitting in our own rubble; a minimum of one hundred million dead."
posted by JohnR at 4:22 PM on May 7, 2003

A fire on the front page? Self linked too no less?

Where am I? In Buffalo? Is this the Buffalo news I'm watching now?

Will someone please videotape a drug takedown or something exciting? ;)

Your on deck jpburns! We can't wait!
posted by alicesshoe at 4:24 PM on May 7, 2003

Matt knows better than to post his cellphone #.

I say let Miguel be hall monitor. He's here more than the rest of us put together anyway. *smile*
posted by konolia at 4:29 PM on May 7, 2003

The place has changed, and it is not going back to what it was.

Strictly speaking the WTC thread was not appropriate, and the site has never recovered from that day. Some people consider that the high water mark of what Metafilter does, and that feeling has eroded what I found particularly valuable about this forum.

Metafilter is still good and a fine way to kill time now and then but the floodgates are open to just about any chatty idea that anyone cares to paste up.

This is Metafilter, and that is a metafilter post now. Enjoy it or ignore it is the 1st law. (Complain here is #2)
posted by thirteen at 4:40 PM on May 7, 2003

"I say let Miguel be hall monitor. He's here more than the rest of us put together anyway"

Plus, we already have a Migs-signal.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:41 PM on May 7, 2003

It needs two olives.
posted by Wulfgar! at 4:51 PM on May 7, 2003

It's a very, very good thing that we have guidelines and not rules. It's good we have a human, subjective, case-by-case judge in Matt. A luxury, in fact. The day the guidelines are followed blindly we may as well have a commitee of grey, pasty-faced apparatchiki pushing the buttons. Or even rosy-complexioned robots.

The price is small. Ocasionally a post that most consider unworthy stays up or one that most consider worthy is axed. Big deal. The much-vaunted pour encourager les autres argument has never been proved. The Spiderman post didn't unleash a torrent of new movie posts. If it did, they were deleted. More work for Matt.

It's more work for Matt but as we all secretly know, anything that means more work for Matt is good for everybody else. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:54 PM on May 7, 2003

Olives in a Martini, Wulfgar!? Never! Just a generous twist - but never throw the peel into the drink, either. A Martini should be icy, transparent and unencumbered. Though a small bowl of big green manzanilla olives should be served with the Martini, on the side. The silver bullet signal is, in fact, perfect and anatomically correct. :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 5:00 PM on May 7, 2003

my cat's breath smells like martinis.
posted by quonsar at 5:01 PM on May 7, 2003

y6^3 and rusty have just officially made me weep with laughter. Who reads Metafilter posts anymore? MetaTalk is where the funny people are.
posted by dness2 at 5:08 PM on May 7, 2003

posted by Hildago at 5:13 PM on May 7, 2003

Miguel, Miguel ... live a little! Gin soaked olives are to die for. And quonsar, does your cat prefer Beefeaters, Bombay Saphire, or some off brand?

I would like to say that I'm very tempted to make a front page post about a significant change on the WWW.

MetaFilter allows self-posting. Inbred website gone too far, or open portal to self expression? Discuss ..
posted by Wulfgar! at 5:14 PM on May 7, 2003

Gin soaked olives are to die for

Yeah, until she runs back to Popeye and all you've got left is the gin.
posted by Hildago at 5:17 PM on May 7, 2003

It has to be said that Coudal is a great website. Websites that interesting and well known wouldn't stoop to making posts to MetaFilter to call attention. If anything, coudal's desire to share a doorstep excitement - a generous, spur-of-the-moment thing - has had the opposite effect.

Special pleading? Yep, I have to concede.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 5:36 PM on May 7, 2003

Yeah, until she runs back to Popeye and all you've got left is the gin.

Technically, a drop of olive oyl would make an interesting fat martini. Well, it doesn't. I've tried it. It's disgusting.

Dirty martinis, made with olive brine, are very good though. In the old days you'd thrown in a crushed (bashed with the fist of your hand) olive and it would make it all murky. They were cool for a month or two.

posted by MiguelCardoso at 5:40 PM on May 7, 2003

MetaFilter allows self-posting. Inbred website gone too far, or open portal to self expression?

i got $20 bucks here that sez you don't dare!
posted by quonsar at 5:42 PM on May 7, 2003

I heard Stan got that star from CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS at Wal-Mart.
posted by hama7 at 8:03 PM on May 7, 2003

Reusing part of an old p'shop on which mr_crash_davis easily bested me, here's a quickie : the mattsignal!

Dana nana nana nana nana nana nana nana Haughey!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:15 PM on May 7, 2003

No... no... mind racing... must... resist...

Mathowie as Batman...
Stan Chin as Robin...
MiguelCardoso as the Riddler...
Quonsar as the Joker...
madamjujujive as Catwoman...
dhartung as the Penguin...
y2karl as Mr. Freeze...
hama7 as King Tut...
and stavrosthewonderchicken as himself.
posted by wendell at 12:30 AM on May 8, 2003

*dusts off catwoman outfit* can i play too? :P
posted by dabitch at 12:46 AM on May 8, 2003

for the first time in my life i find myself actually defending matt. what's all the moaning for above? you only self-police when there's someone there to give you a pat on the head? what a bunch of pussys. maybe matt's just busy.

(personally i think this place is much better than it has been for some time - though that's more thanks to the drop in pointless iraq related bickering than anything else).
posted by andrew cooke at 5:17 AM on May 8, 2003

(turns to look at giant illuminated pancake in the sky)

" we'll come back to that busload of drowning kittens, puppies and wheelchair bound children performing the nativity later robin.......quick...someones posted a link to cnn! "
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:36 AM on May 8, 2003

can I be "Man in restaurant # 4"?
posted by twine42 at 6:42 AM on May 8, 2003

(turns to look at giant illuminated pancake in the sky)

sgt., that's just the moon. You've had too many gin-soaked olives for one night.
posted by soyjoy at 7:31 AM on May 8, 2003

twine42: Sorry, but it's "Henchman #3" for you.
posted by rusty at 7:42 AM on May 8, 2003

i call dibs on "wino by dumpster #1"
posted by quonsar at 8:06 AM on May 8, 2003

i call dibs on "wino by dumpster #1"
Hey! That means I have a shot at "guy peeing in alley" after all!
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:24 AM on May 8, 2003

I can do Henchman #3. I've got my own Hench and everything. It's blue.
posted by twine42 at 8:46 AM on May 8, 2003

You are all forgetting Alfred.
posted by konolia at 9:04 AM on May 8, 2003

True enough, konolia, but they're also forgetting who was, after all, in charge of lighting the bat-signal.

That's right - the Commissioner.
posted by yhbc at 9:29 AM on May 8, 2003

Now if we could only get Prince to do the soundtrack...
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 9:48 AM on May 8, 2003

posted by jpoulos at 10:49 AM on May 8, 2003

*Mancunian Jewish tailor's voice*

"Prince, I don't mind telling you straight off, you'll have trouble getting, he's not easy, that lah-di-da, and the quality, ah, don't even get me started on how bad it is these days, poor guy, I know, I know, once he was good... but tell you what, I can do you a nice Prince Valium for a quid...?"
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:50 AM on May 8, 2003

I am pleased to announce that I will be ending my retirement from the silver screen, in order to take on the role of a lifetime as Commissioner Gordon's lovely daughter Barbara, also known as Batgirl.
posted by padraigin at 10:58 AM on May 8, 2003

holy thread derail , mattman !

(punches palm)
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:08 PM on May 8, 2003

So this Batphone...does it vibrate?
posted by konolia at 3:07 PM on May 8, 2003

Ooh, you are going to hell for that one konolia!
posted by dg at 7:59 PM on May 8, 2003

Vibrating bat phones?

Suddenly I see a market for Utility Thongs... I'll be right back...
posted by twine42 at 2:59 AM on May 9, 2003

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