Baseball fans sure get worked up easily October 16, 2003 9:46 PM   Subscribe

We complain a lot about bad thread, but THIS is EGREGIOUS and UNFORGIVABLE and MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.
posted by xmutex to Etiquette/Policy at 9:46 PM (109 comments total)

and this is POINTLESS and REDUNDANT.
posted by mkn at 9:50 PM on October 16, 2003


You left off SACRILEGIOUS and LACTOSE-INTOLERANT.
posted by rcade at 10:05 PM on October 16, 2003


How so, xmut? Just because it's about baseball?
posted by mischief at 10:06 PM on October 16, 2003


No, moron, because that thread, all by itself, cost the Sox a pennant. ;-P
posted by yhbc at 10:09 PM on October 16, 2003


I thought it was an attempt at reverse psychology.
posted by letitrain at 10:15 PM on October 16, 2003


Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Stevie Wonder.
posted by PrinceValium at 10:29 PM on October 16, 2003




Ha-ha!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:11 PM on October 16, 2003


Ah, the World Series...a throwback to those ancient times when the known world was only North America...
posted by i_cola at 12:48 AM on October 17, 2003


So, who's playing?
posted by konolia at 3:47 AM on October 17, 2003


So, who's playing?
Knicks and Cowboys : >

I think there might be something to those curses, but on tv the goat was supposedly happy the other day. (I don't want to think why)
posted by amberglow at 4:54 AM on October 17, 2003


on tv the goat was supposedly happy the other day. (I don't want to think why)

I think Quonsar's beeper just went off...
posted by backOfYourMind at 5:36 AM on October 17, 2003


....yep, his beeper, just went off, because of a happy goat....
posted by backOfYourMind at 5:38 AM on October 17, 2003


ahhhh! now i understand!
posted by amberglow at 5:59 AM on October 17, 2003


They're still playing baseball in October? I thought that shit was over with in the summer.
posted by mischief at 6:55 AM on October 17, 2003


i_cola: It's called the "World Series" because the championship was originally sponsored by the "World" newspaper. Otherwise, um, great comment.

And fine, whatever, you all slag off sports all you want (par for the course here on MeFi -- "smart" people are too "civilized" to like sports I guess) -- I don't expect many of you to understand how Red Sox fans feel right now. Until you feel the way I feel now (and I'm sure how every other true Red Sox fan feels) you won't get it. I stayed up until 6am this morning to watch the game (I live in the UK now), and will admit that I cried like a 3-year old this morning when they lost. I feel sick to my stomach. I can't concentrate. It's like being told "you've won the lottery", then "oops, sorry, no you didn't", then "oops, we were wrong, you DID win!", then "oh wait, no you didn't", etc. etc. No one should have to go through this.

Grady Little should be strung up by the balls in Fanueil Hall and every bandwagon Yankees "fan" (can you say MJ-era Bulls?) who ignored them in the 80s should be disemboweled.

You understand that it doesn't just end here. Nope, now we'll just have to keep hearing about the fucking stupid "curse". All next year we'll have to re-live Boone's home run on tv every friggin time the Sox face the Yankees. It's great times. Really it is.
posted by lazywhinerkid at 7:29 AM on October 17, 2003


I don't get it. xmutex, was there really not enough room to do this kind of stuff on the thread itself, or did you just feel a need for a pointless MeTa thread?

Or is there actually some point?
posted by soyjoy at 7:58 AM on October 17, 2003


It's called the "World Series" because the championship was originally sponsored by the "World" newspaper.

This is pure urban legend. The series was agreed on by the leagues, not "sponsored by" the New York World (which is what I assume you mean by "the 'World' newspaper"). It was called "World Series" for the same reason its predecessor in the 1880s (between the NL and the American Association) was so called: Americans were a self-aggrandizing lot who thought what happened here was automatically of world significance. (Of course, we've changed a lot since then... )
posted by languagehat at 7:58 AM on October 17, 2003


Agreed. If it were cooked up today, it would be called "The Universe Series."
posted by soyjoy at 8:09 AM on October 17, 2003


languagehat: Wow, you can read Snopes. Mea culpa. You're right, Americans suck.
posted by lazywhinerkid at 8:13 AM on October 17, 2003


Damn Yankees.
posted by insomnyuk at 8:46 AM on October 17, 2003


...the only person to ever win 6 Cy Young Awards...

Split infinitive! I demand we ban Civil_Disobedient for life!
posted by squirrel at 9:17 AM on October 17, 2003


I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that you baseball people are fucking INSANE. That is all.
posted by majcher at 9:42 AM on October 17, 2003


is this really not a joke?
posted by mdn at 9:46 AM on October 17, 2003


I like baseball, by the way, and am not questioning the feeling of despair at watching a team lose when hope had finally pushed through... but blaming it on a metafilter thread??!
posted by mdn at 9:48 AM on October 17, 2003


lazywhinerkid: Actually, I didn't think to check Snopes; if I had, I wouldn't have wasted my breath with all that, I simply would have linked here. I just know my baseball history.

mdn: No, it's not. It's a terrible MeTa post, of course, but it expresses the anguish of a Sox fan who has just had his heart torn out and stomped on yet again. We don't rail at the gods around here, we post to MeTa. I suspect Matt isn't a huge baseball fan, so he may well ax this thread, but have some compassion for xmutex and his (?) fellow sufferers.
posted by languagehat at 9:53 AM on October 17, 2003


languagehat 2, lazywhinerkid *waaaaah*
posted by i_cola at 9:59 AM on October 17, 2003


the only thing worse than watching baseball on tv is watching is live.

just wanted to give the baseball fans of opposing teams something to draw you closer together--at least you are all fans....especially those of you who are fans of cursed teams, that takes a lot of dedication, and i salute you. sort of.

as far as metafilter being anti sports....i don't think so, its just that, well....that is what Sportsfilter does best.
posted by th3ph17 at 10:06 AM on October 17, 2003


Good lord. Do we need a MeTa thread for every FPP we don't like? Can't you people just scroll down?

That said... GO SOX.
posted by xmutex at 9:00 AM PST on October 16




You're kidding here, right?
posted by norm at 10:07 AM on October 17, 2003


i'm from boston, where yankees fandom is tantamount to practising satanism and drinking the blood of roadkill.

that said, i'm glad the sox lost. a film event i booked had the misfortune to run opposite the playoffs, which had a bad effect on attendance. here's hoping the numbers will be up this weekend. GO AVANT GARDE FILM!!!
posted by pxe2000 at 10:25 AM on October 17, 2003


"it expresses the anguish of a Sox fan who has just had his heart torn out and stomped on yet again."

Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives.
Cue theme music!
posted by batgrlHG at 10:55 AM on October 17, 2003


GO AVANT GARDE FILM!!!

Guy Maddin for MVP!!!

(Also "Guy Maddin's Gimli Hospital" would make a good computer game.)
posted by liam at 10:59 AM on October 17, 2003


L4KERS R00L. K0BE!
posted by scarabic at 11:20 AM on October 17, 2003


I suspect Matt isn't a huge baseball fan...
Looks to me like he does care.
posted by rhapsodie at 11:30 AM on October 17, 2003


Your favorite sports team sucks.

So does your favorite sport. It sucks.
posted by signal at 11:46 AM on October 17, 2003


that said, i'm glad the sox lost. a film event i booked had the misfortune to run opposite the playoffs, which had a bad effect on attendance. here's hoping the numbers will be up this weekend. GO AVANT GARDE FILM!!!

Here's hoping your low 'attendance' wasn't a result of the playoffs but because your 'film event' sucked.

I hope and pray that your 'film event' goes down the toilet, along with any other items you care about.

And I mean that in the best way possible.
posted by justgary at 2:24 PM on October 17, 2003


Seconded.
posted by yerfatma at 2:56 PM on October 17, 2003


Yeah, pxe2000, wtf are you thinking promoting ART in the same timeslot as SPORTS???

DIE, MILKFACE!

;)
posted by scarabic at 3:05 PM on October 17, 2003


I knew what this thread was about before I even clicked to the talkback. I'm in Minnesota and I listened to some Boston radio this morning just to see what the fans were like, and one guy compared his feelings to how he felt after 9/11. First off, it's just baseball. Second, with 9/11 it was the shock of the situation that was frightening, I don't think seeing the Sox fail in the playoffs can be too much of a shock. And yes, I BADLY wanted the Sox to win the game.

Here's a thought about the Avant Garde Film Fest and I could be wrong. I really don't think that the Red Sox sports crowd and the Avant Garde film crowd really mix that well. In fact, I would think of your film fest more as counter-programming to the baseball, as opposed to going for the same audience. Once again, I could be wrong. I just don't want you to be too disappointed if the crowds don't pick up this weekend.
posted by graventy at 3:08 PM on October 17, 2003


I was going to suggest the same thing, gaventy, but then I remembered how my gf's cello teacher cancelled her lesson last night because of the game. A *lot* of people went to school in Boston, including, no doubt, some artsy types.
posted by scarabic at 3:48 PM on October 17, 2003


Baseball is performance art, but with beer and organ music.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 4:18 PM on October 17, 2003


pxe2000, take your public display of schadenfreude and your pretentiousness, and express them somewhere appropriate. I vote for a street in Southie as the bars close. You can have someone stand by with a video camera, because that's a "film event" that a lot of people would want to see.

If you don't want to be part of the larger New England community, that's your choice. But whether you place the same value on our team or not, you're callous to laugh at our discomfort. It speaks volumes about your character.
posted by Mayor Curley at 5:13 PM on October 17, 2003


See? INSANE.
posted by majcher at 6:00 PM on October 17, 2003


No man, you don't get it: movies are important and sports are not. For some reason. When someone points out a work of dramatic art that will cause me to sweat, swear, cry, scream and laugh more than the yearly travails of the Red Sox, I will be impressed. Don't misunderstand: I love movies, books, tv, plays, whatever; I just haven't run into one with the pathos and bathos of the Sawx. Like Eddie Izzard said of Scooby-Doo vis-a-vis Shakespeare, "It's at that level."
posted by yerfatma at 6:03 PM on October 17, 2003


How is pxe2000 being pretentious? By liking movies? By not liking baseball?
posted by signal at 7:12 PM on October 17, 2003


How is pxe2000 being pretentious?

By calling it a "film event." It's a movie.

Did you read the description of the movie in her self-link? I would rather eat a spoonful of someone's "feces event" than see a movie about Canadians with smallpox.

Yeah, it must have been the Red Sox that kept the hordes away from that.
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:40 PM on October 17, 2003


Unfortunately, attendance for my recent feces event suffered from some avant garde movie wanking this weekend. I've recently hired a new choreographer to work with my feces however.
posted by Stan Chin at 8:14 PM on October 17, 2003


um, there will be films and music and various other things. therefore: event. not just a movie. there was some sense of bemused irony in there, and i didn't want to reinforce this with emoticons. unclench, curley. it's OKAY. unless you were the person comparing the sox' loss of the pennant to 9/11.

scarabic had it right. i should go so far as to add that baseball is like religion in boston, though the scandals don't hurt as many people.
posted by pxe2000 at 8:15 PM on October 17, 2003


oh, and just to put this into further perspective: i've had to live through two whole weeks of housemates and family keeping me up until all hours with their loud yelling and cheering. i also live across the street from the bar and some drunk chowderheads have woken me up at 2am with their booze-and-ball-inflicted brawls. at least i keep the music at my films to a low volume and try not to bother those that are aggressively not interested in my films.

before curley points out that my presence in this very thread contradicts the last sentence, i should point out that making a bemused comment on a public blog is not the same as drunkenly beating the stuffing out of another grown person while yelling "JETER SWALLOWS!" at the top of my lungs at 2am.

that will be all. please tip the waitress handsomely on your way out.
posted by pxe2000 at 8:27 PM on October 17, 2003


Right, that puts it into perspective. Your "Queen For A Day" sob story completely justifies your attitude. My apologies. If your family and a few loud strangers inconvenience you, than you're right to take solace in the discomfort of everyone around you. It's not self-centered; you're that important. Without you, Boston wouldn't have important Canadian smallpox historical dramas, uncomfortable discussion of important Canadian smallpox historical dramas, and Philip Glass afterward.

As for my alleged uptight attitude, I'll remind you that you're pissed off because of noise. Like a retiree.
posted by Mayor Curley at 9:23 PM on October 17, 2003


Baseball is boring. Actually, all sports are boring-unless you are actually playing.

*ducks*
posted by konolia at 9:30 PM on October 17, 2003


What I hate is when the weatherfolk on tv call thunderstorms a "rain event." Ugh.
posted by batgrlHG at 10:30 PM on October 17, 2003


i also live across the street from the bar and some drunk chowderheads have woken me up at 2am with their booze-and-ball-inflicted brawls

Try living in a frat house, then you can talk.
posted by insomnyuk at 11:24 PM on October 17, 2003


fine, curley. clearly you were not the target audience for my program of "shitty canadian smallpox movies" (your phrase). not all baseball fans are as short-sighted as you are, and quite a few well-rounded friends of mine (you know, people whose entire lives don't revolve around yawkey way) have not been able to attend my shows due to a greater interest in the game (no, not because of the quality of my films, as i'm sure you'll allege; not everyone is into the latest work by jerry bruckheimer). i'm sick of being treated like a heretic by folks like you.

it's funny how i've attempted to reason with you, explain my side of things, and take the high road, and each time i have, you've made personal attacks. instead of calling you a masshole (as i could have done), i attempted to point out that being a non-sports fan in boston during the pennant is like being an atheist in the vatican. this concept sails clear over your head. i observe the way grown men come to blows and yell vulgarity at a loud volume at 2am on a weeknight and my concerns are written off as being similar to those of retirees. (most of us have to work during the week. given your choice of mail handle i would assume that working to earn one's living is not a foreign concept to you, huh?) i was trying to be funny by showing an alternate viewpoint in my post (since i'm sure there are a few people in boston that don't care about baseball), and admittedly i was not entirely successful. but the city does not shut down for baseball, and some of us at best don't care.

finally, curley, i apologise for my comment about unclenching. since you're so obsessed with fecal matter, perhaps you haven't had one in a while. may i recommend a high-fiber diet? perhaps that would help you.
posted by pxe2000 at 11:29 PM on October 17, 2003


Snj├│fridur hits a home run, the crowd loses it!

xmutex, quit yelling, fer crying out loud.
posted by alicesshoe at 12:22 AM on October 18, 2003


Mayor Curley, pxe2000: you kids settle down, or I'm going to have to bring the belt out.

Mayor? pxe2000 wasn't the one who didn't relieve the pitcher in the 8th. pxe200? Maybe the funeral filled with grieving family is not the right place to proclaim you never liked the deceased anyway. quonsar? Where the hell are you? We all need a good smocking.
posted by taz at 1:17 AM on October 18, 2003


pxe2000, you've got the wrong guy.

Suffice it to say that hizzoner is an atheist elitist from Maine and his (high-fiber) vegetarian diet should be considered a violation of the Geneva Convetion by all whom ever share facilities with him.

i was trying to be funny

No you weren't. You're not comfortable with being challenged on a point so you come on way too strong. This was what really bothered me yesterday. I don't like Conor either, but I know a lot of people who enjoy his stuff and derive happiness from it. So why take a giant dump on something just because you don't like it? You did that twice yesterday.

There's a line from a movie called Fight Club (which you and your friends trash because it's supposed to be edgy and non-mainstream but that means it's even riper for ridicule than bruckheimer because if someone thinks even non-mainstream films are mainstream than ooooh, they must know their stuff), that we would all do well to remember: "You are not a unique snowflake".
posted by yerfatma at 6:03 AM on October 18, 2003


I [heart] taz.
posted by languagehat at 6:07 AM on October 18, 2003


yerfatma: let's keep this on-topic, okay? this meta thread isn't about my dislike of conor, and i don't feel like starting a meta thread about a meta thread. thanks.
posted by pxe2000 at 6:34 AM on October 18, 2003


Okey-dokey. I was using the example to make an on-topic point that your abrasive assertions aren't coming across as funny (to me). Nice try though.
posted by yerfatma at 7:28 AM on October 18, 2003


Won't someone think of the smallpox-afflicted Canadians?
posted by stonerose at 8:41 AM on October 18, 2003


"i observe the way grown men come to blows and yell vulgarity"

Now now, let's not get sexist. I know plenty of grown women who do that over sports as well. Texas Rangers fans specifically. Now don't laugh, people can't help how their local team does. (Ok I admit, if the Rangers have been doing well the past couple of years, I've been clueless.) Me, I was always over in the concession area. Baseball makes me sleepy if I remain in my seat for too long. But maybe that's just the Rangers...
posted by batgrlHG at 9:31 AM on October 18, 2003


i wasn't being sexist. it was two guys right under my window. unless the woman had an unusually deep voice which she was able to sustain even when she was yelling. :)

to show what boston is like during the world series, here's a handy comparison:

every year the radio station wbcn hosts a well-publicized battle of the bands called the rumble. this is kind of like the world series for local rockers, but a bit different. the shows take place at night (and usually on the weekends) at nightclubs, and she shows are 18+. like sox games -- from whence i regularly see families departing where both parents are sauced -- beer is served, but unlike sox games there's no parental irresponsibility related to drink on the premises. since the shows take place at night, you don't trip over drunk, rowdy fans on the t yelling out "LET'S GO BABY STRANGE! cowboy up!" on your way home from work. the shows are well-publicized enough so that you know they're going on, but the winners don't have their pictures on the front page of the paper -- reviews are tucked discreetly in the living/arts section of the globe so that you can ignore them if you see fit. and i might be wrong here, but to my knowledge there have been no drunken brawls with members of the party shouting "(name of band who wins) SWALLOWS!" at 2am. it's completely possible for someone like mayor curley (who i would assume is not a fan of local rock) to ignore the rumble.

i resent baseball because it takes up every living moment of the city's life, and too fucking bad if you don't like it. i do my friends and family the courtesy of not discussing local rock if they're not into it, but in the past two weeks i haven't been able to get through a conversation with the words "cowboy up" coming out of the other person's mouth...and this is as true in the arts world as it in in the sports and plebian world. (the gallery where i'm putting these shows together had a vigil to lift "the curse of the bambino", to cite one example, and a rock show i went to last weekend was shanghai'd when most of the crowd who paid the cover decided they'd rather watch the game than listen to the music.) i'm sorry i hurt the feelings of so many baseball fans by suggesting that there are things happening that don't involve baseball, but as someone who is usually indifferent to sports, the ubiquity of baseball at the expense of other events has made me bridle over the past week.

thank you. and good night.
posted by pxe2000 at 10:57 AM on October 18, 2003


The WBCN Rumber is no where in size, scope, or popularity of a heated baseball series at Fenway. If you fill to capacity ever club on Lansdowne, plus the Middle East and T.T.'s over on Mass Ave, you still wouldn't match the amount of people sitting just in the grandstands at Fenway on a bad night.

I understand that it can get rowdy, and I am sure for someone who doesn't follow local sports and is super sensitive about excited gregariousness, it must seem like absolute torture to live through the last few weeks, but you reside in probably the biggest baseball city in the nation and it's expected. The past few weeks have been the pinnacle of this franchise in the last 17 years and the city has been consumed with it, rightfully.

It's part of the local culture, just like your local rock scene. You, personally, don't have to like the baseball atmosphere, but if you want to live in this city, you're going to have to accept it and just deal.

You come off as someone who takes a house near Logan and then bitches about the airplane noise.
posted by jerseygirl at 11:52 AM on October 18, 2003


rumber = rumble.

hah.
posted by jerseygirl at 11:56 AM on October 18, 2003


...this is as true in the arts world as it in in the sports and plebian world.

Plebian? Tee Hee. You're a riot.
posted by Snyder at 1:16 PM on October 18, 2003


Jerseygirl, that's very well said.

Pxe2000, you're so self-centered and arrogant that it's now hilarious. Don't forget us plebes when you're a big, successful artist. I like baseball, so I can't possibly understand the depth of your art.

You're free to plagiarize that explanation whenever anyone laughs at you. It can't be that you're awful.
posted by Mayor Curley at 1:21 PM on October 18, 2003


you've decided what you want to think of me, curley. if it makes you feel better to make personal attacks or call me "self-centered", feel free. i'm sorry you're such an angry jackass.
posted by pxe2000 at 2:23 PM on October 18, 2003


pxe2000, what is calling someone else an "angry jackass" other than a personal attack? Your argument would be more convincing if you could stay above the fray.
posted by jonson at 4:26 PM on October 18, 2003


pxe2000, you forgot to complain about how baseball players make more money than teachers.
posted by Mick at 4:27 PM on October 18, 2003


um, is teacher pay something i would have to play baseball to know about?
posted by quonsar at 6:22 PM on October 18, 2003


pxe2000, didn't you say "good night" a couple of hours ago? Don't stay up past your bedtime.
posted by languagehat at 6:49 PM on October 18, 2003


INSANE!

I grew up in Buffalo, and I was there for the Superbowls in 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994, and I say this to you: you can take your stupid little ball games, and shove them right up your stupid asses. Sideways.

I'm just baffled why anyone cares what a bunch of millionaires who may or may not be from some geographic area do with some other random bunch of millionaires in some ball game, and even more baffled when they get really really agitated when someone tells them that they don't care.

How about this, you tell me where you live, and I'll set up a little hopscotch game outside your window, get really loaded, and start yelling at whichever little girl I don't like. Because I'd really really like to get involved in this "team spirit" thing I keep hearing about. Sounds like a blast.
posted by majcher at 7:30 PM on October 18, 2003


Well said, majcher. The people on this thread that are defending the boorish norm of public sports-fan excess are amazing, the Mayor of Assholeville chiefly among them.

It's part of the local culture, just like your local rock scene.

No, see, that's just it: It's not. My local rock scene doesn't involve rock fans getting so hyped about a band coming to town that they get completely trashed right outside my door and spend the afternoon/evening hollering inanities, heckling/threatening passersby, starting fights over whose favorite band is "better" and acting out other pathetically homoerotic "male-bonding" rituals. It involves people getting excited enough about given bands to go see them play. In clubs. Dancing, drinking, yelling, drugging, whatever, but partying their asses off right there, to the music. Then coming home. Going to sleep.

All of you that are crapping on pxe2000 for daring to suggest that sports may not be holy grail are just illustrating how the sports mentality warps your outlook. You can't even see that this whole MeTa thread was pointless, redundant and masturbatory in conception (assuming the one in the blue wasn't, of course) and whoever challenges that is "self-centered" and "arrogant." Man, that is some serious pot-kettle action going on.
posted by soyjoy at 7:59 PM on October 18, 2003


people on this thread that are defending the boorish norm of public sports-fan excess are amazing

::rolls eyes::

What? Because some of us enjoy sports, we're suddenly defending bad behavior? Hardly a logical conclusion to reach, unless you jumped to it.

sports may not be holy grail

I've been to plenty of sporting events to know that although there are some rather crude and outrageous fans out there, most simply want to watch a good ballgame.

In my opinion, a good concert is just as good as a ballgame, opera, play, or night of drinking with a group of friends. A different part of my personality is stimulated at each event.

Ever sing a tune outside of a concert? Ever quote a book without having it right in front of you? That's why people sing praises of their teams outside of an arena or ballpark. They're keeping their interests alive.
posted by BlueTrain at 8:27 PM on October 18, 2003


Because some of us enjoy sports, we're suddenly defending bad behavior?

You may not be, but

If your family and a few loud strangers inconvenience you, than you're right to take solace in the discomfort of everyone around you.

sure is. Basically I'm more apt to side with "pretentious" independent filmmakers who actually make something than "unpretentious" people who pile on others who don't share their benign but basically unconstructive "down-to-earth" passion for the home team. I don't have anything against fandom, but it's not a virtue. And I love an underdog as much as the next guy, but Mayor Curley has singlehandedly cured me of my considerable sympathy for the plight of the Cubs and Sox. Congratulations, good job.
posted by furiousthought at 9:03 PM on October 18, 2003


Damn, I missed all the fun.
posted by mischief at 9:35 PM on October 18, 2003


It's part of the local culture, just like your local rock scene.

When I said that, when I said "your" I was talking specifically about Boston and pxe2000.

I know exactly what she's talking about, and that's what I was commenting upon.
posted by jerseygirl at 10:30 PM on October 18, 2003


Okay, this is just silly. (not you jerseygirl)

Big cities are dynamic, variegated and vibrant, and big events are a part of that. Sporting events and the attendant enthusiasm are a fact of city life. It's senseless to debate if that is right or wrong. It just is. I assume that, as a filmmaker, pxe2000 finds it easier to produce and distribute her work in a big city than a sleepy country community, and for that benefit she also has to face some disadvantages - like noise, traffic, crime, and... sports fans.

Personally, I'd probably rather go view pxe2000's film event than watch the playoffs, but if I ever lived in a place where everybody felt like me, I'd move immediately, because - let's face it - what a huge bore that would be. And, for what it's worth, I lived in New Orleans for 15 years, and with the Sugar Bowl, Super Bowls, Mardi Gras, and Jazz Festival, I literally had enough pissing, puking and brawling on my literal doorstep to send most people right over the edge.

pxe2000, please believe that I am not being patronising with this idea, but I suggest that you step back and look at this from a professional and artistic viewpoint. If your current strong feeling isn't simply arising from the pain of the coincidental date, then I would say that some aspect of this would be worth exploring in terms of a possible film project. Maybe you should take off the gloves and get your hands dirty... maybe your muse is screaming cowboy up in your ear right now.
posted by taz at 12:08 AM on October 19, 2003


By the way, here's a public service announcement for anybody (like me) who doesn't have a clue what "cowboy up" means.
posted by taz at 12:21 AM on October 19, 2003


By the way, here's a public service announcement for anybody (like me) who doesn't have a clue what "cowboy up" means.
posted by taz at 12:21 AM on October 19, 2003


hmm. I guess we have to make that two cowboys.
posted by taz at 12:24 AM on October 19, 2003


By the way, here's a public service announcement for anybody (like me) who doesn't have a clue what "burma jeep" means.
posted by quonsar at 12:47 AM on October 19, 2003


taz is the razzmajazz.
posted by attackthetaxi at 4:40 AM on October 19, 2003


Basically I'm more apt to side with "pretentious" independent filmmakers who actually make something than "unpretentious" people who pile on others who don't share their benign but basically unconstructive "down-to-earth" passion for the home team.

See, this isn't about the merits of art films versus baseball. Taz made a beautiful analogy about what happened: pxe2000 expressed contempt for the deceased to his family. Rather than apologize for it, she's insisted that she's somehow right to do it because every single Red Sox fan in New England was yelling under her window and she's smarter than we are for liking films that are inacessible.

Well said, majcher. The people on this thread that are defending the boorish norm of public sports-fan excess are amazing, the Mayor of Assholeville chiefly among them.

See the above. It's not about that. And if you base your opinion of an entire group based on its worst behavior extremes and dismiss everyone by that, you're a bigot.

Also, Soyjoy, you can do better than "Mayor of Assholeville." That's really, really weak and it also brings the namecalling to an especially childish level. Do us all a favor and keep out of this one, because the argument will quickly slip into some obsessive tangent about animal abuse. I've always wanted to say this, and now I can because you've made an unsolicited ad hominem attack on me: I've been a vegetarian for over half my life, and yet I think that you are a completely insane extremist who makes me want to go and eat a huge porterhouse out of spite.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:51 AM on October 19, 2003


And here I thought professional sports these days was basically cut from the same cloth as MTV, Hollywood, network television, wrestling, and the fast-food empires - that is, the blunt end of the marketing cudgel used to entice the members of that all-important male 15-24 demographic (and those they influence) into getting excited about and spending dollars on stuff that doesn't matter a good goddamn, really.

You mean it's not all about moving units?

Neat!

'course, 'art films' aren't anything too terribly different, I guess; just add an added layer of sophistication to the pitch, faux- or otherwise. It's all for sale, and worthless as a consequence.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:45 AM on October 19, 2003


pxe2000 expressed contempt for the deceased to his family.

Did I mention that you people are INSANE?

Nobody died, there's no family to express contempt to. (In fact, one could argue that making such a comparison is offensive to those who have actually had family die recently...) A bunch of guys in funny pants ran around a field a couple of less times than some other guys. They lost a baseball game. Get a fucking grip. Posting to an Internet forum can not magically influence the outcome of a game somehow, and if you believe that it can, even a little bit, you are INSANE.

Plus, stavros said very well what I left out last time. Congratulations! You're a market!
posted by majcher at 9:13 AM on October 19, 2003


You are clearly superior to us because you do not care about things we care about. Congratulations.
posted by languagehat at 9:49 AM on October 19, 2003


You know, I lived in the Boston area, and I must say that I did stay home on game nights - and when I was visiting friends who lived next to the Fen I crashed at their place if I stayed too late. Which had just as much to do with the green line trains being crammed with drunken fans as any worries over personal safety.

I think football fans in the south are worse, but I'm biased, and I don't live anywhere near all the current baseball hooha. Living in Dallas when the Cowboys were the End All Be All, and in Tuscaloosa, Alabama with the Crimson Tide only second in importance only to religion, well I think I've seen the heights of sports worship and media saturation. (I have never seen people as INSANE about a team as the Univ. of AL folks. In a very scary way. Even more than UT Longhorn fans.) The yelling thing - well, I don't get that either - but we don't yell at the tv in my family.

And hey, I watch football now. Which is y6's fault.
And the San Diego Chargers suck.

"A bunch of guys in funny pants ran around a field"

I'm trying to think of a sport that this description won't apply to. Funny pants seem to be important.
posted by batgrlHG at 10:27 AM on October 19, 2003


Hey, I never said anything about being superior. I care about all sorts of stupid shit that the vast majority of the population could give a rat's ass about. I just don't get it. What is it about professional sports that makes people a) believe in magic, b) hate people that aren't on their side, fan or not, and c) act like immense jerks, loudly, in public?

I guess I just feel about fandom the same way I feel about religion - you're more than welcome to engage in whatever wacky crap you feel like; just keep me the hell out of it.
posted by majcher at 10:33 AM on October 19, 2003




See, this isn't about the merits of art films versus baseball. Taz made a beautiful analogy about what happened: pxe2000 expressed contempt for the deceased to his family.

Y'all pretty much made it so by jumping all over her expressly for being involved in art films. You could have just told her to screw off and leave you to your grief, you know, or took it just a tiny bit less personally, because baseball teams aren't your family, they're a bunch of highly trained professionals who get traded back and forth and don't care whether you live or die! Sports mania can be fun, but what majcher said, and the alacrity with which this thread turned into a good ol' jocks vs. art fags fight is really jarring. Not to mention the distribution of forces. I don't hate jock culture the way I did in school anymore, I'm pretty much past that, but this scene's brought some old feelings back in a hurry.

(I guess this is a bad place to thank Oklahoma for beating the everloving shit out of the Longhorns and thus providing me with a pleasantly woo-free weekend that last Saturday.)
posted by furiousthought at 11:23 AM on October 19, 2003


just keep me the hell out of it.

Or, alternatively, you could keep yourself the hell out of it; why should we do the heavy lifting? Or did someone force you to enter this thread and start posting comments, all of which involved telling people who care about sports "you are INSANE"?

Same goes for anyone else who felt compelled to pop into this thread and start defecating. "This is a bad/stupid post" I can understand; "you sports fans are bad/stupid" I can't.
posted by languagehat at 11:34 AM on October 19, 2003


Gee, you baseball fans sure are rude.
posted by rushmc at 12:29 PM on October 19, 2003


Gee, you independent film fans sure are pretentious.
posted by insomnyuk at 12:50 PM on October 19, 2003


Or did someone force you to enter this thread and start posting comments, all of which involved telling people who care about sports "you are INSANE"?

Obviously majcher wasn't talking about this forum when he said "keep me out of it". No one (including majcher) lives on this forum (...well, no one has to/should live on this forum). And where did he call people who care about sports insane? Reading over it, it looks like he said people who think that expressing contempt at someone's funeral (that is, someone who has actually died) is a good comparison to someone expressing their negative opinion about a sport on an internet forum is insane. Sounds pretty fair to me.
posted by Stauf at 1:40 PM on October 19, 2003


I just saw Lost In Translation. I hereby apologize to all sports fans I ever insulted by claiming that any movie has more cultural significance than some stupid playoff or championship.

Now, would someone please pass the mustard? ;-P
posted by mischief at 2:16 PM on October 19, 2003


pxe2000, there is something that you obviously need to learn about hosting an event (of any description) and that is that you should avoid holding it at the same time as a major sporting event, if you actually want people to attend. There are many people who have eclectic interests and would not go to your film event because the baseball game of the year is on and there are many people who would not go to your event because they do not want to experience the public antics of the baseball fans, preferring to remain isolated from what they consider to be the lower classes. You lose both ways.

Event Management 101, lecture 1, first topic - "Don't hold events at the same time as major sporting events in the same town, because nobody will come".

Also, you baseball people are insane. Completely and utterly insane. But that is fine by me, I hope you enjoyed the game.
posted by dg at 2:56 PM on October 19, 2003


You know, if I could keep myself the hell out of it, I would. But, see, that's the point - unless I lock myself in a dark closet, and have a deaf-mute dwarf slip flat food under the door every now and then, this sports madness is impossible to avoid. It permeates everything; you cannot participate in the modern world without being assaulted by fanatics of one kind or another. Enjoy your game, I'm glad you get pleasure out of it. I suppose that if whatever statistically unlikely event everyone is all worked up happens, it'll be a great little bit of history. But listening to every damn person blather on about whatever sox pennant curse something every damn day is, to me, approximately as interesting as listening to some pasty nerd describe to me in detail about what his elf or whatever did in some online game last night. Great fun, I'm sure. Just not my speed.

I call you insane because I see you - you being my friends in the real world, who are reasonably intelligent, and my comrades here in the blue, who are also reasonably intelligent - I see you become yammering, fanatical howler monkeys when it comes to sports. Seeing someone as plainly gifted as languagehat apparently shut down their senses and join in the hooting and hollering saddens me. Fer chrissake, it appears that this MetaTalk thread was started, essentially, because someone was accusing someone else of practicing some sort of black magic, inadvertently putting a jinx on their game. This is why I call you people insane. You are, for the most part, intelligent, well-spoken, rational people, who are stricken by some sort of madness when someone intimates that baseball may not, in fact, matter to some (most?) people.

In summary: You are INSANE. And, on second thought, you are also NERDS.
posted by majcher at 3:17 PM on October 19, 2003


sports, competition, cruelty, gloating. these are the traits inculated in elementary school. i agree with majcher. you people should listen to yourselves sometime.
posted by quonsar at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2003


I had a buddy, he made an INDEPENDENT FILM... about BASEBALL.

KABOOM!

Don't cross the streams!
posted by tss at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2003


You see, THIS is why I got rid of my TV. ;-P
posted by mischief at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2003


(I note because I sounded like a bit of a twat upthread there that I do like to watch the occasional sports spectacularrrrr and download the occasional TV show, movie, or music video, and if I don't get a big greasy deathburger about once a month I get cranky. So I'm not exactly nose-in-the-airing it here...)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2003


It permeates everything; you cannot participate in the modern world without being assaulted by fanatics of one kind or another.

I feel the same about (insert any fucking thing in the world here), and people tell me I should just get over it.
posted by Mick at 8:27 PM on October 19, 2003


Brilliantly witty, Mayor.

I mean... you were trying to be funny by calling my mockery of your nickname an "unsolicited ad hominem attack" while at the same time attacking me for being a vegan, something that has absolutely nothing to do with the points we're arguing... right? Either way, great, funny stuff.

I think that you are a completely insane extremist who makes me want to go and eat a huge porterhouse out of spite.

Oh NO!!! We're gonna lose Major Curley! Now vegetarianism is DOOMED!

Y'know, back when this thread started, none of us, I don't think, were saying "you" sports fans on MetaFilter were "insane;" our objections were to the culture in general and the excesses it breeds among the more thoughtless among us out in the world. Lately, though, many of you on this thread have certainly managed to make the case we weren't even trying to make. Congrats.
posted by soyjoy at 9:05 PM on October 19, 2003


mmm ... greasy deathburger ... with cheese and bacon ...

sorry, what was this all about again?

My point being, you see, that even in Red Sox Nation (TM), we've gotten over it. Even those of us who, Thursday night, were ready to disembowel Grady Little and simmer his entrails in chicken stock have now, by and large (don't listen to talk radio if you get offended by the internet) moved on, and think he should keep his job, because he did a good job of it, the Sox had a great season, and gained a lot of new fans. That also is the nature of sports - it's at once immediate and visceral, while at the same time ephemeral and - ah, shit, I can't think of another good adjective. You know what I mean, though. The problem is, when people try to make it go on longer than it should. Like, say, this thread.

So - hope the film events go well. Likewise anything else anyone who reads, posts, or has a passing thought about MeFi has going on in the next few months.
posted by yhbc at 9:27 PM on October 19, 2003


yhbc: While I am reluctantly "over it", this member of Red Sox Nation still believes Grady Little should lose his job. The Sox made it to where they were in spite of his management and at the end of the season, he was truly the weak link of the team (you could certainly make an argument for Nomah here as well -- at least until the latter part of the ALCS).

ESPN Page 2 might be a bit too "low brow" for many in this thread but as usual, Bill Simmons sums it all up better than most.

And call me crazy, but is it in the realm of possibility that xmutex was joking (gasp!) when he posted this?
posted by lazywhinerkid at 2:50 PM on October 20, 2003


Enough with the baseball nonsense. On to college basketball!
posted by rushmc at 2:53 PM on October 20, 2003


Enough with the baseball nonsense. On to college basketball!

Rugby World Cup!
posted by homunculus at 3:23 PM on October 20, 2003


Oh be serious, homunculus!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:49 PM on October 20, 2003


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