Calling Out McBain March 8, 2004 9:58 PM   Subscribe

"I really don't care how bad an FPP this is...basically I don't give two shits how biased my FPP is. "
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken to Etiquette/Policy at 9:58 PM (143 comments total)

Whoah. [/keanu]
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:00 PM on March 8, 2004


yes, I don't care, I'm a member of this community, and I generally post honestly, so I'm going to post an FPP I feel strongly about as a member of Metafilter and I don't care what others think. That's part of what makes this board great. I was trying to head of stupid criticism, but people have chosen to interpret this as antogonism that doesn't exist.
posted by McBain at 10:01 PM on March 8, 2004


What do you do? What do you do? [/more keanu]
posted by Dasein at 10:02 PM on March 8, 2004


Can we get back to the issue at hand? How do you all feel about squirrels?
posted by jonson at 10:02 PM on March 8, 2004


Regretably, I have to side against McBain here. I adore Krugman and I think this article is great. And I don't even disagree with having a bias (I think in many cases it's harder to not have one.) In fact, I completely agree with McBain.

But McBain couldn't have written this FPP any worse if he wrote it as "HERE IS LINK! NOW HERE IS ME POOPING! EAT MY POOP! EAT IT! POOOOOOOP!"

You can express outrage at Bush, and it's great to infomr people of stuff that he's done wrong, but actually saying in the FPP that you don't care what anyone else thinks defeats the purpose of posting it to a group weblog with 17,000 posters.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 10:02 PM on March 8, 2004


No one suspects the squirrels.
posted by namespan at 10:03 PM on March 8, 2004


~ I just hate it when people use FPP. Eff Pee Peeeee! *shakes operatic mock-shatnerian fist at the sky* ~
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:05 PM on March 8, 2004


XQ,

Do you really think that people weren't going to complain "Yet another Krugman/NYT link"? I was trying to rid the thread of that kind of contentless comment. I didn't do it properly obviously, but I've grown REALLY FUCKING TIRED of the endless "liberal/outrage/whatever/filter" comments.
posted by McBain at 10:07 PM on March 8, 2004


I'm torn. XQUZYPHYR is right that the post was inflammatory, and McBain's just aggravating things in the thread with comments like this. So cool it a bit, McBain, please.

But he's got a point that he shouldn't have to put with lazy, baseless denunciations without any evidence to support them. But then again, what's the internet for?
posted by Dasein at 10:08 PM on March 8, 2004


There are strange things afoot at the Circle K.

The larger point is, posts to NYT op-eds suck. Anyone who cares about what Krugman, Friedman, etc. have to say will have already read their columns before they are posted on Mefi. The point isn't "Bush-bashing," the point is that there is nothing to talk about. And it doesn't help matters when the thread is pissed on before it even starts.

McBain, STFU. seriously.
posted by PrinceValium at 10:09 PM on March 8, 2004


I'm merely waiting for someone to write an article in which they document the evil of the squirrels simply, sweetly, inarguably, and than I shall link to it, at which time I won't care what any of you say! The hell with all of you!!!
posted by jonson at 10:10 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain, STFU. seriously

This is why I don't fucking care "if my FPP sucks, fuck off, liberal/outrage/whatever"
posted by McBain at 10:11 PM on March 8, 2004


Personally I think a Bushfilter post (or two) a day is just fine - it's part of the reason I've been reading Metafilter for three and a half years now, and this is definitely a worthy link. I agree with XQ, though - McBain could've at least just trimmed the non-link text.
posted by Ryvar at 10:12 PM on March 8, 2004


I just think that MeFi has morphed into this fucked up meta discussion where you have to justify everything you do as totally unbiased, totally original, and totally fairly omnipotent. God forbid you double post. My FPP is as much a comment on that as anything else. If anyone cries newsfilter one more time I'll fucking scream.

(metafilterfilter)
posted by McBain at 10:14 PM on March 8, 2004


I'm merely waiting for someone to write an article in which they document the evil of the squirrels simply, sweetly, inaguably...

Done. Here's the photographic evidence to support my assertion.

Other research has given me this, this, this, and this.
posted by Danelope at 10:15 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain, that's not the point. The point is you took something that a large number of people would have actually found interesting, agreeable, and informative, despite whoever else raised their voice against it -- and you turned it into an expression of total contempt to even those people who would agree with you.

You didn't have to frost the brownie with shit even if some people don't like brownies.

The fact that you've now layered on more shit than brownie isn't helping.
posted by namespan at 10:15 PM on March 8, 2004


Of course, McBain, by being so inflammatory in your post you've diverted discussion and attention from Krugman's article. One would think you could have posted a toned-down version of your preemptive rebuttal as a comment.
posted by Dasein at 10:16 PM on March 8, 2004


Damn, I didn't realize I had accidentally signed up for an account at McBain's Support Group.

So how are you feeling today?
posted by DaShiv at 10:17 PM on March 8, 2004


namespan- It's impossible to gauge the reaction around here. It is mob mentality. One person says "hey, we would have been cool with your FPP" and everyone is sucking his dick to agree. On a different day, the first person says "hey, this is just another Krugman link" and everyone is slurping that knob to cry "whateverfilter".

Why don't we just watch "Heathers"? :-)
posted by McBain at 10:19 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain, nobody -- nobody -- said a word about 'newsfilter' or 'liberal bias' or 'NYT link' or anything of the kind, except you! In fact, I haven't heard talk of that stuff for months.

You got voices in your head? Get medication. Piss on the community? Well, I can only pray for the hard justice of the banhammer.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:19 PM on March 8, 2004


Heathers was pretty swell, though.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:21 PM on March 8, 2004


Whateverfilter: Slurping That Knob

sorry.
posted by PrinceValium at 10:21 PM on March 8, 2004


Danelope, you're doing the Lord's work. Good job! That picture of the snake strangling the squirrel was a little gross, though, and the article about the squirrel drowning in a bucket of water that it couldn't climb out of was just sad and kind of made me feel bad for the poor critters.
posted by jonson at 10:24 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain, nobody -- nobody -- said a word about 'newsfilter' or 'liberal bias' or 'NYT link' or anything of the kind, except you!
Oh, it was coming. Don't you worry. But since I headed it off, everyone can cry, "who us? we wouldn't do that! what would give you that idea?"
posted by McBain at 10:24 PM on March 8, 2004


McBainfilter! Saving us from ourselves since 2001
posted by jonson at 10:25 PM on March 8, 2004


...and the article about the squirrel drowning in a bucket of water that it couldn't climb out of was just sad and kind of made me feel bad for the poor critters.

Yeah, but then there was the article about skwerls DELIBERATELY BURNING DOWN FORESTS. Those buck-toothed BASTARDS!
posted by Danelope at 10:25 PM on March 8, 2004


Ladies and gentlemen, I am proud to present:
Fly, the Rockin' Squirrel!
posted by wendell at 10:25 PM on March 8, 2004



posted by weston at 10:27 PM on March 8, 2004


Weston & Wendell (if indeed you are two separate people), you are my new heroes. Continue to fight the good fight.
posted by jonson at 10:29 PM on March 8, 2004



"Curse you jonson! And Danelope, wendell, and weston are next!"
posted by namespan at 10:33 PM on March 8, 2004


~ I just hate it when people use FPP. Eff Pee Peeeee! *shakes operatic mock-shatnerian fist at the sky* ~

Why do you hate abbreviations so much?
posted by Cyrano at 10:38 PM on March 8, 2004


What if we got a squirrel to say the FPP really fast? "OhmyGodIsawthis ArticlebyPaulKrugmanandIdon'tcarewhatthefuckanyonethin ksBushdoesntlieblahblahblahandourCurrentPressCorpisso disgustinglysubserviantThatIwentUptoThemandTheyWere LikeYoMotherfuckerWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 10:38 PM on March 8, 2004


XQ, if the wonderchicken didn't hate abbreviations so much, I'd be forced to tell you that your comment made me LOL. As does the "squirrels weaken tree here" note in weston's graph above.
posted by jonson at 10:45 PM on March 8, 2004


Deleted. Were on a highway too hell.
posted by eddydamascene at 10:48 PM on March 8, 2004


This post was deleted for the following reason: train wreck

Thus concludes today's neuroprosthesis news. The stock market today saw a surprising upturn in both peanut and bird feeder commodities...
posted by Danelope at 10:48 PM on March 8, 2004


For those who are wondering what XQUZ was talking about.

The rest, I cannot vouch for.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:49 PM on March 8, 2004


DELETED!! -Strongbad

Jeez, it wasn't that bad.
posted by McBain at 10:55 PM on March 8, 2004


hey, we would have been cool with your FPP" and everyone is sucking his dick to agree. On a different day, the first person says "hey, this is just another Krugman link" and everyone is slurping that knob to cry "whateverfilter

And what does it mean when everyone and their mother tells you your post sucks?

It means the post sucks. And yours did.

The point of the post was obviously not the Krugman column, the point was to get a rise out of people. There's a great case out there to be made against the Bush administration on nearly every front, but rather than make that, you made a post that sucks.

Hell, I'm being charitable. Maybe instead of "sucks" I should have written "Blows copious amounts of donkey ass" or "makes me embarassed to be reading it in presence of my fucking mouse" (after all, it has tender, virgin, umm, ears.)

I don't even know why I'm writing this.

Anyway, let's not mince words. Plenty of people have shit on the front page (myself included, way back when.) But doing it purposefully puts you in a special class of people who shit on the front page. I'm not sure what that class is called, but it has a lot of obscenity in it. I'll get back to you.
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 10:56 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain: you know else said the same thing when he was finished wreaking havoc? HITLER.

I hereby declare this MeTa complete.
posted by Ryvar at 10:57 PM on March 8, 2004


Anyway, let's not mince words. Plenty of people have shit on the front page (myself included, way back when.) But doing it purposefully puts you in a special class of people who shit on the front page. I'm not sure what that class is called, but it has a lot of obscenity in it. I'll get back to you.

Yeah rape her! That bitch was asking for it. You guys totally lived up to my expectations. I wonder how the thread would have gone without my comments. I guess criticism of "FPP sucks" cries are taboo. Carry on. That was the point.
posted by McBain at 11:03 PM on March 8, 2004


I wonder how the thread would have gone without my comments.


Maybe you should have wondered that before you posted?


[/pileon]
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 11:04 PM on March 8, 2004


Why are we even discussing this? Delete the bad post already, sheesh. It is the link that is supposed to be provocative, not the poster.
posted by rushmc at 11:05 PM on March 8, 2004


Hah.
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 11:05 PM on March 8, 2004


:::checks again:::

Oh. Heh.
posted by rushmc at 11:06 PM on March 8, 2004


The next slightly anti-Bush thread, or news thread, or I/P thread will prove my point. I feel secure. DELETED!
posted by McBain at 11:08 PM on March 8, 2004


I guess criticism of "FPP sucks" cries are taboo. Carry on. That was the point.

I thought the point was that the Op/Ed article was brief. Wait... what was the point again?
posted by jonson at 11:11 PM on March 8, 2004


That was Krugman's point. Mine was different. Neat, huh?
posted by McBain at 11:19 PM on March 8, 2004


Well, you've certainly proven your point here tonight! Next time we can be of help, just let us know. Till then, are you with us, or with the squirrels?
posted by jonson at 11:23 PM on March 8, 2004


McBain: calm down, because you're not doing yourself and favours here.

McBain, STFU. seriously.

PrinceValium: there are better ways to make a point without resorting to just telling someone to shut the fuck up (no, acronyms isn't an alternative).

You got voices in your head? Get medication. Piss on the community? Well, I can only pray for the hard justice of the banhammer.

Stavros, I like you and all, but you certainly go over the top sometimes. It certainly wasn't a very good thread--or, at the very least, it was a poorly-worded one--but there's no need to take it to that level, even if the offender is reacting a little vehemently to his thread being deleted. Hey, it happens.

That was Krugman's point. Mine was different. Neat, huh?

Not particularly, no. Take a step back from the situation and take a few deep breaths. As I said, you're not making a good showing here, whether you're right or wrong.
posted by The God Complex at 11:23 PM on March 8, 2004


If you look at my post history, my links are pretty decent. I have to say that I have not posted a link (until tonight) in almost a year and I've visited this site less frequently because it isn't as free as it used to be. People are constantly criticized about the quality of their posts, people constantly use the "whateverfilter" criticism. I'm just kind of tired of it. If you post a link then great, people will ignore it if it isn't interesting. But there are plenty of fantastic discussions to be had about Bush, I/P, news, and whatever outrage of the week we have. It feels like people say about FPP's they don't like "Why do you hate Metafilter?"
posted by McBain at 11:41 PM on March 8, 2004


it isn't as free as it used to be.

You're confusing your perceptions of the community with your own behavior.

If MeFi was a house party, tonight you busted in through the door swinging both arms, wanting to fight with everyone while they just wanted to have a good time and chat quietly. Now that you've been asked to chill out, you're saying everyone's too uptight to handle you.

We've all seen that kind of behavior at a party before, right?

Everyone's trying to explain to you quite plainly why the post was lame and why you shouldn't say "I know this sucks but I'm doing it anyway" but you don't seem to be listening, so I'm not going to bother.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 12:10 AM on March 9, 2004


Stavros, I like you and all, but you certainly go over the top sometimes.

Well, it wouldn't be much fun if I didn't, would it? At least I know when to roll over and play nice and be communitarian and all.

Also: whatever gave you the idea (based on my comments in this thread) that I was serious?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:10 AM on March 9, 2004


Don't bother answering that - it doesn't matter. Many years ago one of my two oldest and dearest friends, since deceased, wrote to me and offered the opinion that my tendency to speak whatever was on my mind, usually with some small degree of art and some much larger degree of, er, excessive zeal, was both my greatest strength and my greatest weakness.

He was right. So are you. But that's just me, and not something I really care to change.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled pile-on!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:20 AM on March 9, 2004


That's fine. It doesn't bother me any. I just thought, given the personal nature in which McBain received the criticism, that if everyone just toned it down a bit in their criticisms we might avoid the usual jibber jabber. Of course, I didn't take into account the unusually affinity most MeFites share for jibber jabber, and I erred in my judgement.

As you were.
posted by The God Complex at 1:41 AM on March 9, 2004


I pity the fool that don't like the jibber jabber! [/T]
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:48 AM on March 9, 2004


Jibber jabber is avatar sweat. It's a secretion of essence. It doesn't always smell sweet, but at least it smells.
posted by Opus Dark at 2:14 AM on March 9, 2004


I totally understand McBain's pre-emptive strikes. And it's a symptom of how much self-awareness is necessary just to make a post on MeFi (so much for freedom). You can't just make an honest opinion here and NOT expect to have your arm felt by the online MeFi police or have your arguments crippled by some facetious one-liner. This is the most schoolyard online community I've seen in that respect.

Let's use the house party analogy though. In which case, let's knock controversial subjects on the head if this is a good-time party. Keep it sweet and lite, and throw in a few squirrel jokes just in case.

Let's be honest: MeFi is for most people here a chance to make really clever comments in return for a vitual pat on the head by strangers. You all go away feeling that much better about yourselves. No problem with that, there's a lot of good contributors here, and I get a chuckle each time I visit. Just.......less of the policing and aligning please. It's too much. Less of the out-raged pile-ons and "me-too"s. Celebrate diversity of opinion a bit more...??
posted by SpaceCadet at 2:55 AM on March 9, 2004


Keep it sweet and lite,

you don't read the site very often, do you?
;)

MeFi is for most people here a chance to make really clever comments in return for a vitual pat on the head by strangers

not really, no: maybe for you, but not for the general community. reading carefully 95% of the threads here disproves your assertion.

the problem I had with the FPP's (sorry stav) wording is that its language was already loaded. But the topic was -- and is -- of central importance in the US (and world) economy: the crisis of job creation and the consistently way-too-optimistic forecasts the Bush administration has been publishing just to cover its ass.
a better way to present the issue on the front page was to find a few more sources (they're out there), include Krugman but not as primary source, and leave out the meta-analysis of "maybe this sucks but I don't care".

the topic didn't suck, not in the least. the wording and the way the FPP was organized did.

result: a link to an appallingly precise graph that all but destroys Bush's credibility in economic issues was erased from the site.

if I were a Bush fan (and I everyday thank Allah that I'm not) I'd be horrified by two things clearly showed in the graph:

1 - for all the talk of "we inherited the recession from that horrible Clinton/Gore people" the graph shows that job creation stopped about two months after Bush (courtesy of the Five Supremes) entered the White House. Two months after that.

2 - you can't possibly make such terribly wrong forecasts in good faith. even a tangential knowledge of Economics (you certainly don't need to be a Nobel-winning Econometrist to figure that out) tells you that the Bush Administration has been voluntarily dealing bad stuff. bad numbers, meant to mislead people. (and there's a certain similitude, in modus operandi, to the Phantom WMD's issue, but let's not open that can of worms in this particular thread). but you get the drift -- fraudulent economic forecasts, fraudulent intelligence reports. all politics all the time.
but as we all know, the only relevant lies are lies told regarding marital infidelity. anything else, and you're home free -- at least if you belong to a certain political Party, right?
;)

posted by matteo at 4:39 AM on March 9, 2004


MeFi is for most people here a chance to make really clever comments in return for a vi[r]tual pat on the head by strangers

not really, no: maybe for you, but not for the general community. reading carefully 95% of the threads here disproves your assertion.


Just shows how two people can look at one thing and see two different things.
posted by SpaceCadet at 4:52 AM on March 9, 2004


McBain: It is mob mentality. One person says "hey, we would have been cool with your FPP" and everyone is sucking his dick to agree. On a different day, the first person says "hey, this is just another Krugman link" and everyone is slurping that knob to cry "whateverfilter".

Henceforward, every MeTa comment should be posted in this style.
posted by subgenius at 7:47 AM on March 9, 2004


How do you all feel about squirrels?

They steal the jays' peanuts, break the bird feeders, dig up the plants--they are not my favorite mammal. Except for Rocky, because he's Bullwinkle's best friend.
posted by y2karl at 7:50 AM on March 9, 2004



posted by crunchburger at 7:54 AM on March 9, 2004


What this incident shows is how desperately we need a moratorium on all Politics/News/ElectionFilter posts.

Three out of the last five FPPs (here, here and here) were partisan-charged political ax-grinding. By the resulting discourse, we can see how poorly MeFi handles such topics. Either it is a bitter and rancourous argument that brings out the worst in people, or it is just a echo-chamber LGF style.

A solid, respectful and measured discussion is not possible on such topics here.

It is only going to get worse as the election draws closer. I am truly afraid for the blue about what is going to happen to it. A moratorium on these FPP's is necessary. We need some firm rule about no links to someone's blog, some poll, or an opionion/editorial page. If this keeps up, the links to Krugman, democratic undergound, or talkingpointsmemo will become more numerous, the resulting discussion will be a discredit to the community and the Blue will be a pile of shit.
posted by Seth at 8:02 AM on March 9, 2004


You'll never get people to stop talking about things that are important to them. If you don't like the topic, don't participate in it. Pretend it isn't there. But going in to the thread and shouting "I/P FILTER!!!!!1!" is really tiresome. Criticize that behavior and you're asked, as Stavros does several times above "WHY DO YOU HATE METAFILTER?" I'm being accused of pissing on this community for commenting on that behavior (even though I did it quite clumsily).
posted by McBain at 8:16 AM on March 9, 2004


How do you all feel about squirrels?

I don't trust them. They're spies.
posted by jonmc at 8:26 AM on March 9, 2004


we need a moratorium on people saying we need a moratorium.

People will discuss what they want to discuss. Controversy breeds interest. Believe it or not, Seth, some people actually like heated flamewars -- both to read and to participate in. And the fact that you or others do not really doesn't mean too much.

What we need are well reasoned posts and thoughtful, if heated replies. Not a moratorium.
posted by crunchland at 8:29 AM on March 9, 2004


I'm being accused of pissing on this community for commenting on that behavior (even though I did it quite clumsily).

McBain, a few other people have said this already, so I hope it's getting through:

There's nothing wrong with your sentiment. Yeah, there's a lot of baggage attached to any sort of op-ed/political/etc post at this point, some people jump to react to the subject rather than the content, etc.

But you didn't just "comment on that behavior...clumsily." You wrote up a post so ill-concieved in it's presentation that you were, yes, in fact pissing on the community.

It's just complete balls-out hubris and denial to argue that the post you presented to the community wasn't deeply, deeply flawed. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it does make you a person who made a deeply flawed post and then posted more than a dozen comments refusing to hear what people were saying about it.
posted by cortex at 8:34 AM on March 9, 2004


McBain: "even though I did it quite clumsily"

That's the best you can up with? After dropping a turd on the front page, reading the near universal disagreement with your methods in this thread and 'clumsy' is the best you can up with?

Are you really this dense?

You took something important and crafted it a manner guaranteed to draw attention to yourself rather than the post. Then you sit back and pass judgement on an entire community because of an entirely predictable reaction to your idiocy.

You know what? You suck, your post sucks and your attitude sucks. Matt is remarkably tolerant -- I would have banned your sorry ass in a second for using anothers site and front page for grinding an axe against the very same site.
posted by cedar at 8:36 AM on March 9, 2004


I think McBain and Seth locked in a room would be the closet thing we could have on this site to a cockfight without breaking intrastate gambling laws.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:46 AM on March 9, 2004


Not to pile on here (said while piling on), but something that hasn't been said clearly enough is that it wasn't just the FPP itself that was the problem. It was that after dropping that turd McBain kept on loudly justifying it in the thread, arguing about it with everybody so that the focus stayed on the turd rather than the content of the link, assuring that the thread would be a train wreck as described. Just an all-around, really piss-poor way of dealing with anticipated complaints.
posted by soyjoy at 8:50 AM on March 9, 2004


"You'll never get people to stop talking about things that are important to them."

Especially when they're talking to the voices in their head.

"If you don't like the topic, don't participate in it."

The topic of the post was, "You hate this. I don't give a shit. Blah blah blah, I don't care. You people suck. MetaFilter sucks. Blah blah blah, I don't care. Kiss my ass."

With a call out like that, I don't see how you expected anything else than what happened. In fact I'm pretty sure this is exactly what you wanted. Or what the voices in your head wanted at any rate. Right?

McBain - Either this is one of the most clumsy trolls ever, or you need medical attention. See a doctor. Get some meds. You really need help. I'm begging you.
posted by y6y6y6 at 8:55 AM on March 9, 2004


There's obviously no point trying to explain things to McBain, so I'm just gonna send the Disco Squirrels after him.
posted by languagehat at 9:21 AM on March 9, 2004


I've visited this site less frequently because it isn't as free as it used to be. People are constantly criticized about the quality of their posts, people constantly use the "whateverfilter" criticism. I'm just kind of tired of it.

People are criticized for the quality of their posts, especially when their posts are utter shit.

McBain, I think you might as well leave, if you think metafilter has gotten so fascist. Also, you've got no defenders at this point, even in a community of devil's advocates, which ought to indicate that you're totally wrong, and you're a dick.
posted by Hildago at 9:24 AM on March 9, 2004


A solid, respectful and measured discussion is not possible on such topics here.



as your posting record sadly demonstrates?
it is quite rich that, of all people, you're the one to lecture others about civilized discussion
but I agree that 3 or 4 US-politics FPP's (sorry stav) a day are usually more than enough
posted by matteo at 9:34 AM on March 9, 2004


(Comes into work. Yawns, scratches forehead. Turns on lamp)

Logs into to work computer. Notices 74 comments on metatalk.
Notices deleted thread. Scans thread.

(Huffs.)

I miss out on everything!
posted by Peter H at 9:43 AM on March 9, 2004




which ought to indicate that you're totally wrong, and you're a dick.

Fer Chrissakes, someone get on that thing then!
posted by yerfatma at 9:50 AM on March 9, 2004


[quote]You suck, your post sucks and your attitude sucks.[/quote]
Wow. I guess you've never made a mistake in your life. Good for you. Do I have some long history of posting incendiary FPP's I'm unaware of?
posted by McBain at 10:07 AM on March 9, 2004


McBain: if you are seeking an audience more receptive to your hamfisted NewsFilter/PoliticsFilter/NYTimesFilter posting style and wrong-headed defensiveness, feel free to jump ship to Democratic Underground or LGF or someplace whose motto is not "Best of the Web"--otherwise follow PrinceValium's advice and STFU already.
posted by dhoyt at 10:11 AM on March 9, 2004


I'm being attributed a lot of attitudes that I don't have. I made the original post thinking it was a good link, thinking that I didn't want to hear comments about "This FPP sucks" etc and did it really badly. I was saying "yeah this sucks" in the way one would saying "I know some of you will think this sucks but I don't care I think it is an important topic." I posted it quickly not thinking people would react this way, then was surprised and tried to explain while I was still surprised and hurt by the reaction. I still beleive the fundamental point was sound. I don't "hate metafilter" I wasn't trying to troll and I thought I was kind of deflating any "newsfilter" comments. Then when the reaction was bad, and I was still shocked by it, the pile on commenced. Suddenly, this lone FPP has made me a "jerk" "ass" and "I should leave" when I've posted earnestly for years. Really, you guys are awesome!
posted by McBain at 10:18 AM on March 9, 2004


dhoyt- Yes! Keep it going! Can I say again that I made my point badly on the FPP?
posted by McBain at 10:19 AM on March 9, 2004


I think you made your point – that you don't care about this site's standards – very well.
posted by timeistight at 10:36 AM on March 9, 2004


I must admit, these are my most favorite MeTa threads... these chemically imbalanced critical mass meltdowns, where one of our members just loses his or her eGrip.

Jeez, it wasn't that bad.

No no... you're right, it wasn't. But YOU are that bad.

"Anybody but Kerry" in '04 !!! Hoo-ahhh!
posted by Witty at 10:37 AM on March 9, 2004


My ears are burning.
posted by squirrel at 10:38 AM on March 9, 2004


for someone who wasn't seeking to argue his point or listen to opposing views, Mcbain is surprisingly vocal and attentive to this thread.
posted by crunchland at 10:47 AM on March 9, 2004


I apologize. I messed up. I thought I was being kind of a humorous crank and miscalculated. I didn't anticipate this reaction. Sorry.
posted by McBain at 10:53 AM on March 9, 2004


I forgive you, McBain.

The End.
posted by brownpau at 11:03 AM on March 9, 2004


.
posted by eastlakestandard at 11:08 AM on March 9, 2004


Finally.
posted by Witty at 11:14 AM on March 9, 2004


...or *is it*?
posted by pizzasub at 11:14 AM on March 9, 2004


GO TO HELL, McB--



Oh, wait. He apologized.
posted by dhoyt at 11:17 AM on March 9, 2004


[insertfavoritettopictohatehere]-filter. Those callouts do get really tired though, don't they? It would be nice if people left threads they don't like, alone. Let they die in silence I say. ;)
posted by dabitch at 11:20 AM on March 9, 2004


No no... you're right, it wasn't. But YOU are that bad.

This is the guy who used MS Paint to make a little sign that said "Fuck quonsar", just for the record.

As for the post, I know where to find Krugman, and I know of about 20 blogs that tend to re-post everything the man writes. Not needed here. This isn't a convenient way to reach a wider audience than your own blog gets, it's a place to share something new.
posted by Space Coyote at 11:26 AM on March 9, 2004


I forgive you, McBain.

The End.


Me too.
posted by timeistight at 11:32 AM on March 9, 2004


Hitler.


Now we can really quit.
posted by konolia at 11:32 AM on March 9, 2004


"I'm being attributed a lot of attitudes that I don't have."

This is the heart of your problem right there. It's you. The link was fine. But you have a problem. See a doctor.
posted by y6y6y6 at 11:33 AM on March 9, 2004


Sorry, konolia, Hitler peeked in halfway up.
posted by brownpau at 11:37 AM on March 9, 2004


Hey, what's happening? I heard there was a house party here. Am I late?
posted by tr33hggr at 11:40 AM on March 9, 2004


[insertfavoritettopictohatehere]-filter. Those callouts do get really tired though, don't they?

Especially when the same self-appointed Meta-moral arbiters make them over and over and over.

Did you get the point?
Well, let me make it again just to be sure!
Here's another linked image of a trainwreck to show my lack of imagination! Did you get the point?
Well, let me make it again just to be sure!


...ad infinitum.
posted by y2karl at 11:41 AM on March 9, 2004


Here's another linked image of a trainwreck...

...or Teletubby.
posted by dhoyt at 11:48 AM on March 9, 2004


Hey, what's happening? I heard there was a house party here. Am I late?

Depends. Didja bring Bugles & Dr. Pepper? Cos it ain't a party without Bugles & Dr. Pepper.
posted by jonmc at 11:55 AM on March 9, 2004


Contrary to public opinion jonmc, I am all about junk food at a party, so yes!
posted by tr33hggr at 11:56 AM on March 9, 2004


Outstanding!

What about the swim fins and the Sheb Wooley records?
posted by jonmc at 12:10 PM on March 9, 2004


Suddenly, this lone FPP has made me a "jerk" "ass" and "I should leave" when I've posted earnestly for years. Really, you guys are awesome!

You shouldn't leave. You should be forced to stay until you've made four posts of at least the quality of your former ones.

Stick around. Most of us will forgive and forget in a bit. Just don't make another FPP worded like that.
posted by namespan at 12:13 PM on March 9, 2004


This is the guy who used MS Paint to make a little sign that said "Fuck quonsar", just for the record.

For what record? And yea, Fuck quonsar.
not sure hwat that has to do with anything... but ok.

Oh, and for the "record", I used Photoshop. But it looks as though my efforts in making it look cheap and spontaneous have worked. Thanks!
posted by Witty at 12:16 PM on March 9, 2004


> we need a moratorium on people saying we need a moratorium.

Ha! Recurse that, you ignorant sluts. (No point, just can't leave a thread like this one without calling someone an ignorant slut.) Ta,
posted by jfuller at 12:21 PM on March 9, 2004


jonmc, three words baby - Purple People Eater!
posted by tr33hggr at 12:30 PM on March 9, 2004


Wow. That was a helluva battle. Lot of fun to watch, too, up here in the bleachers.
posted by me3dia at 12:31 PM on March 9, 2004


In the deleted thread, I commented that:

"blah blah blah is the new yadda yadda yadda"

I would like to amend that statement:

"jibber jabber is the new blah blah blah"

And although Witty rarely lives up to his name (the "Fuck Quonsar" graphic was even beneath Quonsar's low standards), I will long remember (and frequently steal) the phrase "loses his or her eGrip".

And the difference between MeFi and a house party is: when the latter is interrupted by somebody who "busted in through the door swinging both arms, wanting to fight with everyone while they just wanted to have a good time and chat quietly", the ensuing fight takes LESS than 14 hours to cool down.
posted by wendell at 12:38 PM on March 9, 2004


Are there any knobs left?
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 12:43 PM on March 9, 2004


Yeah, there's one over there.
posted by pizzasub at 12:52 PM on March 9, 2004


irony isn't lost on you, is it jfuller?
posted by crunchland at 12:55 PM on March 9, 2004


And now, the crazy make up sex (between me & the squirrels, that is)!!
posted by jonson at 1:02 PM on March 9, 2004


The square on the hypotenuse equals the sum of the squares on the other two sides.
posted by y2karl at 1:09 PM on March 9, 2004


[quote]But McBain couldn't have written this FPP any worse if he wrote it as "HERE IS LINK! NOW HERE IS ME POOPING! EAT MY POOP! EAT IT! POOOOOOOP!"[/quote]
I would laugh my ass off is someone made an FPP like that. It was what I was sort of going for.
posted by McBain at 1:42 PM on March 9, 2004


Just give two shits before posting, OK?
posted by john at 2:11 PM on March 9, 2004


.
posted by y2karl at 2:16 PM on March 9, 2004


WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME, JOHN?
posted by McBain at 2:17 PM on March 9, 2004


> irony isn't lost on you, is it jfuller?

I declare, there's some now!

(Unless I'm mis-parsing you and you meant it as an innocent if slightly anxious question, as in The Bobbsey Twins on a Houseboat:

"Fine!" Bert exclaimed. "Say, this has been a dandy trip all right!"
"It isn't ended yet, is it, Dorothy?" asked Nan.
"No, indeed," replied the seashore cousin, with a smile.

...in which case the answer is "no, indeed.")


Nevertheless, as anyone with an OED or a copy of Modern English Usage knows, this

> we need a moratorium on people saying we need a moratorium

...is not irony, and can't be turned into irony even by affecting the (falsely so-called) "ironic attitude." Say, who's this quonsar everybody's jibber-jabbering about?
posted by jfuller at 2:25 PM on March 9, 2004


I'm not sure, but I think quonsar just typed in a FPP where he says "HERE IS LINK! NOW HERE IS ME POOPING! EAT MY POOP! EAT IT! POOOOOOOP!", but three members of the MeFi Police are holding him back from hitting "Post" (one holding each arm and the unlucky one holding the other appendage he types with).

What we really need is a moratorium on people saying we need a moratorium on people saying we need a moratorium.
(It's not ironic, it's fractal!)
posted by wendell at 2:34 PM on March 9, 2004


And somewhere, a butterfly flapped its wing...
posted by konolia at 3:08 PM on March 9, 2004


... Cherry blossoms fall.
posted by Hildago at 4:27 PM on March 9, 2004


I saw a robin today.
posted by namespan at 4:27 PM on March 9, 2004


Langoliers! Run!
posted by Opus Dark at 4:43 PM on March 9, 2004


This is getting needlessly silly.

Good work!
posted by deadcowdan at 4:49 PM on March 9, 2004


Where IS quonsar by the way? I thought Matt suspended his sentence.
posted by cbrody at 5:02 PM on March 9, 2004




I saw a robin today.

I woke early one morning,
The earth lay cool and still
When suddenly a tiny bird
Perch on my window sill,
He sang a song so lovely
So carefree and so gay,
That slowly all my troubles
Began to slip away.
He sang of far off places
Of laughter and of fun,
It seemed his very trilling,
brought up the morning sun.
I stirred beneath the covers
Crept slowly out of bed,
And gently lowered the window
And crushed its fucking head!
posted by dg at 5:13 PM on March 9, 2004


aw, that's lovely, dg! truly heartwarming : >
posted by amberglow at 5:28 PM on March 9, 2004



You are The Squirrel!

posted by PrinceValium at 6:47 PM on March 9, 2004


My squirrel has much bigger balls.


posted by troutfishing at 7:18 PM on March 9, 2004


You people bring back memories of camp.
posted by john at 8:11 PM on March 9, 2004


~sadly folds up her squirrel suit and hides it deep in the closet until the next Knob Sunday~
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:49 PM on March 9, 2004

Where IS quonsar by the way? I thought Matt suspended his sentence.
Did anybody bother to tell quonsar that?
posted by mischief at 9:00 PM on March 9, 2004


Do you honestly think he's missed a 100+ comment MetaTalk thread about him?
posted by timeistight at 9:16 PM on March 9, 2004


Well he might have found an especially shiny piece of foil or something.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 9:26 PM on March 9, 2004


Where IS quonsar by the way?
No doubt he is sitting back laughing his head off over the little people squabbling over who likes him the most.
posted by dg at 9:54 PM on March 9, 2004



posted by taz at 2:51 AM on March 10, 2004


I'm just outraged (outraged!) that people denounce the subservient press corp by pointing to their favourite member of the press corp.

/journo
posted by haqspan at 5:44 AM on March 10, 2004


Krugman and Bob Somerby aren't really part of the "press corp" Neither are journalists, merely commentators.
posted by McBain at 9:35 AM on March 10, 2004


you have a problem. See a doctor.

right , so this is fine but snarking in askme gets a week long ban , that seems very fair indeed.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:31 AM on March 10, 2004


right , so this is fine but snarking in askme gets a week long ban , that seems very fair indeed.

A single questionably-inappropriate comment versus a habitual, unending torrent of unhelpful nonsense in Ask MetaFilter, the overwhelming majority of which Matt is forced to delete. There certainly seems to be a rather large difference between the two, cap'n.calm.
posted by Danelope at 10:44 AM on March 10, 2004


not really , y6 has been making overbearing comments for an extremely long period of time now, i would class this as unhelpful in the extreme , if you're having a party and people are just chilling out and somebody bursts in , demands half the room be thrown out by the host and hovers over everyone who goes up to the peanut bowl to make sure theyre not taking too many , it kinda spoils the party.
posted by sgt.serenity at 12:51 PM on March 10, 2004


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