Somebody's cranky. January 25, 2005 7:48 PM   Subscribe

Somebody's cranky. I tried disciplining him myself, but he's made me take the unprecedented step of dragging him to the principal's office.
posted by jonmc to Etiquette/Policy at 7:48 PM (63 comments total)

You called him cupcake. That shit ain't right.
posted by fatllama at 8:07 PM on January 25, 2005


Didn't he apologize in that thread already? Before you even posted this?
posted by Doug at 8:08 PM on January 25, 2005


He ranted, you baited, he bit.

Please let it go.
posted by theFlyingSquirrel at 8:12 PM on January 25, 2005


Didn't he apologize in that thread already? Before you even posted this?

And he kept going with the same stupid shit. And he's doing it in other threads.
posted by jonmc at 8:13 PM on January 25, 2005


You picked the fight first with a gratuitous otherwise content free personal insult --as you so often do--and there is an enormous amount of ego investment on your side, jon, to go to the point of posting this pointless making yourself right by making tkchrist wrong callout. This thread should die.
posted by y2karl at 8:15 PM on January 25, 2005


And here I was contemplating my first MeTa post to call you out, jonmc. For fuck's sake, would it kill you to lay off for once? You jumped all over tkchrist's first comment when it was really just a forgettable outburst. The only other comments on it were by people who were ignoring the substance completely - as they should.

If you thought he needed "disciplining" at all, bring it here first. Please. Over and over again I open a thread and you decide that someone's out of line or somehow insulting you, and you hash it out in the Blue. Don't. Do. That. And in this case in particular, you're blatantly the major offender here.
posted by livii at 8:17 PM on January 25, 2005


yup--we're all cranky today.

let it go.
posted by amberglow at 8:17 PM on January 25, 2005


When AOL kicked its members off of Usenet, did it send them here?
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:18 PM on January 25, 2005


I think I gotta side with theFlyingSquirrel on this. He wrote an insane, semi-coherent rant, you were offended by it (perhaps rightly) and made some returning comments that kept the whole thing going after he had apologized.

I don't nearly have the energy to read a smoking thread right now, so I can't really tell what's going on there.

On preview: livii is exactly right.
posted by Doug at 8:19 PM on January 25, 2005


jonmc: I've been baited by the best, rookie. Don't even try.

You were expecting a different outcome to this exchange perhaps? Looks like he's up late and, I agree, cranky, but geez jonmc you have a two-digit user number and should know how to deal with this stuff by now. Just walk away.
posted by jessamyn at 8:27 PM on January 25, 2005


jonmc, I hate to break it to you. But looking over that exchange it looks like you were at least, if not more at fault for it getting out of control. Looks like he was asking you to let it go but you kept on picking...
posted by vacapinta at 8:27 PM on January 25, 2005


Drop it. Like a stale cupcake.

(This thread should be closed or deleted.)
posted by loquacious at 8:28 PM on January 25, 2005


Call somebody out on the blue. Take it to the grey. No matter what I do, I'm wrong. Whatever.
posted by jonmc at 8:29 PM on January 25, 2005


and I've had my ass handed to me for less than the shit he said. Selective enforcement of policy is a wonderful thing.
posted by jonmc at 8:31 PM on January 25, 2005


-parent mode-
How is it possible that his conversation is (actually) taking place with adults?

Are we not here to discuss the issues? And yet it turns into a pissing match with "people" being dragged here to be slapped up. Seriously, at what point does the level of the blue raise to decent debate amounst people with thoughts to share? Answer: when we stop believing and acting like "punishment" is what makes us adults.

-/parent mode-
posted by fluffycreature at 8:31 PM on January 25, 2005


Mote other's eye log your own. Practice before preaching. Rinse and repeat. And lay off the chest thumping. It's your most unattractive behavior.
posted by y2karl at 8:31 PM on January 25, 2005


Dude, you flung poo, you got some on you, now you want to gripe about it?
posted by loquacious at 8:32 PM on January 25, 2005


jonmc, the problem isn't that you called someone out in the blue, or in that you took it to the grey. The problem is that you started it in the first place.
posted by punishinglemur at 8:34 PM on January 25, 2005


Jonmc: You really ought to review your behavior and see where all this flack is coming from. Remember the Tsunami Song thread? Remember how you were cogent, non-abrasive, and made a decent point (though I disagree with it)? And then remember how people railed on you, accusing you of stuff you didn't do?

There's a reason people do that. And this is a good example. If you keep acting like you are in this thread (refering to the blue, not this MetaTalk thread), people are going to attack you, even when you're behaving well (the Tsunami Song thread).

On preview: Call somebody out on the blue. Take it to the grey. No matter what I do, I'm wrong. Whatever.

"Kill a man. Steal a candy bar. No matter what I do, I'm wrong. Whatever."

I'd much rather you not goad people in the first place. But if you're going to goad someone, and then call them out for responding, I'd sure rather that you do it here. I'll tell you you were wrong for calling them out, but you're a hell of a lot less wrong than if you called them out in the blue.
posted by Bugbread at 8:37 PM on January 25, 2005


I'm not saying that he didn't say stupid things. In particular, the aggressive/potentially violent comment was really bad, joking or not. The thing is, if you had just let well enough alone for once, none of that would have come up. He had done nothing specific to you but yet you baited him repeatedly, and refused to back down after concessions.

I'd say both of you are cranky and could use a nice little time-out. My acknowledgement of his role doesn't make you right, though. I still think that this is essentially all your fault and your "poor me" act isn't cutting it.

Now it's time for me to take a time-out and go to bed, and stop whaling away here. Sorry.
posted by livii at 8:39 PM on January 25, 2005


y2karl, do you have anything better to do than follow me around and lecture me? I have a Dad, and you're not him.

If you keep acting like you are in this thread (refering to the blue, not this MetaTalk thread), people are going to attack you, even when you're behaving well (the Tsunami Song thread).


People are going to attack me, no matter what, for reasons that are their hangups. I could say "hello," and certain users would crawl out of the woodwork to rebuke me.

But that's irrelevant. He made a stupid, trolling, obnoxious post. And if it had been called out by anyone else, he'd be getting torn a new one.
posted by jonmc at 8:49 PM on January 25, 2005


You're my second favorite MC right now, Jon. Don't drop to third.

On preview: What fatllama, Doug, theFlyingSquirrel, y2karl, livil, amberglow, jessamyn, vacapinta, loquacious, fluffycreature, punishinglemur, and bugbread said. I can picture waking up tomorrow and seeing this thread having 150 comments.
posted by Arch Stanton at 8:57 PM on January 25, 2005


Funny Shit. Funny. Funny.

livii? Violent comment? What violent comment? I take offense to that. The guy called me names for nothing. There are indignities I won't suffer.

It's called the Cowboy Code.

You call ME names after I apologize... sorry line crossed. Exit the virtual world of free expression and enter the real world of consequences and real people with real feelings.

If you all can't function that way and want to hide behind your insults and computer screens... well, then bye bye.

If anybody has an issue and REALLY wants to meet: just to have a beer, or put on the boxing gloves in the real world... eh, either/and/or, I'm always game. I'm a nice guy. It would be fun.

Just let me know when your in town. And I'll do the same.
posted by tkchrist at 8:58 PM on January 25, 2005


You know, you're never wrong, jon, never. Just misunderstood. Everybody misunderstands you. Everybody picks on you.

tkchrist, how's the atmosphere on your planet? I've been baited by the best, rookie. Don't even try. How about this, cupcake: See, it's not so hard once you begin to read above a 5th grade level. If we were face to face, you'd have never made the comment in the first place.

But do you ever listen to yourself ? You pull this shit all the time.
posted by y2karl at 8:58 PM on January 25, 2005


tkchrist Indignities?

Did you not read the link over to the gray?
If so, why are you writing your machismo here? It has nothing to do with Carson or this thread.

I have to say, at least jonmc has at least brought this whine-fest to this area. TKchrist is still playing the harp in the blue.

Disclaimer: that was a compliment to jonmc. It should be seen as a compliment and nothing else. My comment to tkchrist should be viewed as critisism and nothing else. In no way should my comments be taken as disparaging to their mothers or any previous generations.

The way this is going we are headed for our first Cage Match; and to be honest both of them just might end up crying.
posted by fluffycreature at 9:00 PM on January 25, 2005


You know, you're never wrong, jon, never.

Coming from the grand old man of mefi sanctimony, that's rich.

I'm wrong all the time. I'm abrasive. I'm obnoxious. I have a big mouth. I'm opinionated. I'm crude. I'm unrefined, uneducated, I'm ugly, stupid and I smell funny. I can admit to all my faults and i do it all the time. None of which negates my right to speak my mind as a member of this community.

I've also gotten to the point where I'm really sick and tired of being treated like a tackling dummy. Actually, I passed that point a while back. When I ceased being some little retard everybody could pat on the head and patronize is when people started hating me.
posted by jonmc at 9:07 PM on January 25, 2005


And karl, the comments you quoted were in response to shit nkchrist said, and I don't see you lecturing him, and that speaks volumes to me.
posted by jonmc at 9:08 PM on January 25, 2005


I HATE EVERYONE
posted by punishinglemur at 9:11 PM on January 25, 2005


for all his drunken bursting into any and every music thread and/or threads clealy marked "men, keep out", jonmc has metafilter's thinnest skin; why even bother bringing this to metatalk?
posted by interrobang at 9:13 PM on January 25, 2005


*clearly*, that is.
posted by interrobang at 9:14 PM on January 25, 2005


You bring it on yourself by making gratuitous insults to people who haven't said smack to you. Then, if they so much as raise an eyebrow, you keep piling on with more condescending insullts. You just keep doing this over and over. Then when you are called on it, you go into self-pity overdrive. It's not fair!
posted by y2karl at 9:15 PM on January 25, 2005


No matter what I do, I'm wrong. Whatever.

When I ceased being some little retard everybody could pat on the head and patronize is when people started hating me.

People are going to attack me, no matter what, for reasons that are their hangups. I could say "hello," and certain users would crawl out of the woodwork to rebuke me.

(Then be the bigger man, and drop it or walk away!)

Yes Jon, we hate you. All of us. Even those of us who are your friends and have hung out, gone to shows, and gone drinking with you. Especially those who call you out and then still enjoy hanging out with you, online or in the big blue room.

This "everybody-hates-me" stance is, and I say this as one of your friends, getting very old and tiresome indeed. Every dispute has to be all about you, and you have to be right. Or, if you're wrong, so much the better -- we can re-kindle the martyr.
posted by Vidiot at 9:16 PM on January 25, 2005


please, interrobang. you've made a point of showing up to give me a hard time if I so much as utter a peep. you're hardly an unbiased source. And I've been putting up with that from you and a number of others for years, so don't talk to me about a thin skin.
posted by jonmc at 9:17 PM on January 25, 2005


vidiot, with all due respect, you're not walking in my shoes here.

y2karl, interrobang, you don't want me blowing up and losing my temper? How 'bout backing off me for a change?

People say things here that make me angry. If I respond I'm the one in the wrong.

Just what is it you wnat from me, that I nod my head to everything everybody says, no matter how offensive I might find it? That I ask permission to utter a peep in my own defense? That I kindly supplictae myself before responding to anything?

Tell me how else I'm supposed to interpret this.
posted by jonmc at 9:24 PM on January 25, 2005


What was so offensive about what tkchrist said in the Johnny Carson thread?
posted by 23skidoo at 9:28 PM on January 25, 2005


fluffy -

Huh? You are sincerly misreading this. I am being discussed here so I am addressing everybody in this because so much has gone down the browser before I got here to respond.

I don't know you or this jonmc. But clearly he got all pissy with me and personally insulted me for little reason. I don't do that to others. Usually I adopt a pissy sarcastic net persona purely for humorous effect. I'm not here to contribute anything very lofty. This is entertainment while the PDF's distill and a file uploads.

I take unwarranted personal insults fairly seriously and don't want it to happen again. I'm not stepping on this guy's - or anyones - free expression in process nor am I being macho as you claim. I guess i'm old fashioned.

(Man, people get so freaked when you bring the real world into these safe little web communities.)

It has been my experience letting people know I AM serious in the real world about being insulted tends keep the insults to a tolerable level. That's all.

Man, I gotta go.

Sorry for all this fuss.
posted by tkchrist at 9:28 PM on January 25, 2005


I haven't been here for years, jonmc, but I have definitely observed a repeated pattern of you shoving your chest and opinions at everyone all the time, the acting insulted *before* someone has insulted you, over and over and over and over.

When you get called out--which has happened many times, for some reason, your persecution complex has never resulted in you getting in official "trouble".

I'd really only like one thing: when you comment in a thread, would you please either read the links, or already know something first?

Look over your own posting history; look at every music thread you've ever posted in. I think you'll find that in almost every one of them--obituaries aside--you enter the thread already mad about perceived elitism, ready to fight to the death because your "I am a hometown New Yorker reg'lar fella" mistique trumps anyone else's enjoyment of music that you think is somehow elitist.

There are a lot of us who would love it if you would shut the fuck up in music threads.

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I wish you'd quit using your "appeal from the everyman" persona to win fights you've invented yourself.
posted by interrobang at 9:29 PM on January 25, 2005


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posted by Hands of Manos at 9:30 PM on January 25, 2005


You're allowed to respond, but you shouldn't respond in the thread (only once you should). Sometimes you shouldn't answer back if people are jerky, or continue to be jerky. But when you respond, then they respond, then you respond, etc, then everyone's mad--the rest of us bec. the thread's derailed, and you because you're really mad by that point at the person you're responding to because things have escalated. So it's become a bigger deal than it has to be otherwise.

I'm avoiding the firing the smoker thread til tomorrow bec. i'm kinda pissed at nightchrome--but i made myself pissed at nightchrome more than that he's wrong or because he insults.
posted by amberglow at 9:31 PM on January 25, 2005


Well, it's about closing time. Let's turn the OPEN sign off and put the chairs on the table and start mopping the floor.
posted by y2karl at 9:34 PM on January 25, 2005


And I've been putting up with that from you and a number of others for years, so don't talk to me about a thin skin.
And you have never, ever, ever, ever, not for one second, stopped whining about it.

You get off on being irritated. You really do. Which was fine when it was only you being inconvenienced. But it's not anymore, Jon. You might get validation from finding ways to be told to fuck off, but it gets fucking tiresome listening to you go on and on about how everyone hates you.

Now. All that said, I'm going to say this once, and I will never say it to you again.


Stop drinking, Jon. It's making you stupid, it's warping your worldview more than you can see, and it's making this community weak.


If you want to talk about this, my friend, you know where I am.
posted by chicobangs at 9:39 PM on January 25, 2005


*deep breaths*

interrobang. first of all, I didn't ask for the "everyman" persona. And there's been times where you've attacked me unsolicited for mentioning a french fry restaurant and for an honestly curious question in askme. So you are not innocent here.

I have strong opinions about music. So do a lot of people here. But since you've said so, I guess I'm disallowed from voicing them. I wish a lot of people would stop a lot of their usual argumentative gambits. But if I call them on it, I'm a monster.

From day one, I've always felt like a red-headed stepchild here and lately that feelings been getting reinforced. But if what you say is the truth, and you think most folks would rather I wasn't here, I'll be happy to leave. I can find other ways of killing time.
posted by jonmc at 9:39 PM on January 25, 2005


You're not a monster, jonmc. You're a crybaby.

I wish you'd stop crying about how everyone hates you, and figure out and correct the reason than some people hate you.

And I don't hate you, by the way. I just find you extremely annoying.
posted by interrobang at 9:45 PM on January 25, 2005


Anger lay by me all night long,
His breath was hot upon my brow,
He told me of my burning wrong,
All night he talked and would not go.

He stood by me all through the day,
Struck from my hand the book, the pen;
He said: 'Hear first what I've to say,
And sing, if you've the heart to, then.'

And can I cast him from my couch?
And can I lock him from my room?
Ah no, his honest words are such
That he's my true-lord, and my doom

—Elizabeth Daryush
posted by rushmc at 9:46 PM on January 25, 2005


jonmc, I'm having total deja vu... didn't you leave once before, never to be heard from again? For like, a month? I'm sure it was you, it was like 2 years ago or something... can't be bothered to look it up, but seriously, leaving and coming back once is embarassing, repeatedly, and you're in rushmc territory.
posted by jonson at 9:53 PM on January 25, 2005


*pours an ounce of malt liquor on the floor for jonmc*
posted by interrobang at 9:54 PM on January 25, 2005


I would much, much rather that you stay and play, jon.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:55 PM on January 25, 2005


Excersizing the great authority I don't have:

jonmc, you do carry a chip on your shoulder which makes you easy to bait. You admitted it, and yet continue to allow others to bait you further. Take a breather, and please accept that you'll be back tomorrow, as will most of the rest of us. You're not hated, you weren't wrong for bringing this issue to MetaTalk (despite what others see as an opportunity to jump in the middle of your shit for it), and getting pissed over this only hurts you more than them. You poked the rabid weasel, and it wigged out. You prolly shouldn't a' done that, 'cause it doesn't make the weasel any less rabid, ergo, it doesn't help. Regardless, don't defend against a grand pile on that hasn't happened (yet).

y2karl, lay off. You know I value your insight and opinion, but sometimes you just loves you some vendetta. It's pointless, man. Taking whatever golden chance is offered just to attack those who irritate you is unseemly (though often entertaining to those of us on the outside). Yes, Jon can be very abrasive ... so quit rubbing him and then screeching "Oww!".

tkchrist: There are indignities I won't suffer. Yeah, yeah you will. You know why? Because your playing in the playground of the internets, where people get insulted all the time. You won't suffer it? What are you gonna do? Bring down wrath, woe and hellfire on the heads of all who oppose you? A little ambitious for someone who's not in "the real world of consequences and real people with real feelings". As this thread clearly shows, both to Jon and yourself, if you act like a dick (and you did) then people are going to treat you accordingly. That's a real world consequence of dealing with real people on the real internets and there ain't thing one you can do to stop it ... except, to not act like a dick. Clear enough?

on preview: I wish you'd stop crying about how everyone hates you, and figure out and correct the reason than some people hate you.

interrobang, disregarding your leading logical fallacy, exactly why should jonmc correct anything based on your annoyance? Your response seems awfully haughty to me. Maybe you ought work on correcting that ...
posted by Wulfgar! at 9:58 PM on January 25, 2005


jon, you have plenty to contribute here, but try to make it more about the topic at hand and less about jonmc. Your comments sometimes come across as existing more to promote your MeFi persona than to inform on the subject at hand (even here where the subject at hand is you).
posted by liam at 10:00 PM on January 25, 2005


y2karl, lay off. Note my last comment--you're late to the party, Wulfgar.

tkchrist was not that over the top to begin with and did make a try to play well with others in the face of further baiting.

You should watch the Vox Deo act yourself, you know.
posted by y2karl at 10:06 PM on January 25, 2005


Wulfgar: Excersizing the great authority I don't have:

y2karl: You should watch the Vox Deo act yourself, you know.

Fun is fun, and done is done, my friend. ;-)
posted by Wulfgar! at 10:08 PM on January 25, 2005


jonmc, people may be voicing annoyance, but in reality you are a much beloved member of the community - one of the most beloved, really. But many who admire and care about you are simply trying to tell you that you have been way way too angry lately. I can't tell you why that is, but I don't think it has much to do with Mefi.
posted by madamjujujive at 10:10 PM on January 25, 2005


repeatedly, and you're in rushmc territory.

Again with the lies, jonson? I see you've now expanded it to repeatedly...cool. I guess the original lie just wasn't exciting and provocative enough anymore?
posted by rushmc at 10:12 PM on January 25, 2005


(or did you feel left out at all this airing of vendettas that didn't mention your name, the self-appointed vendetta king?)
posted by rushmc at 10:13 PM on January 25, 2005


And for the more serious record, karl, I wasn't only writing about this thread. I sometimes wish that each thread (blue or grey) stood alone in webspace, that there was no institutional memory on MetaFilter. But then again, that would deprive us of the Steve and Foldy show, and what fun would that be? ~wink~
posted by Wulfgar! at 10:14 PM on January 25, 2005


On review, I read the rest of that thread, and I think the only real way for you to save face here is to box him, Jon. I could be your cut man. Granted, I've never been a cut man, but I don't think you've boxed before, so I think it could work out.
posted by Doug at 10:24 PM on January 25, 2005


I got nothing to say to jonmc that hasn't already been said, though come to think of it, yeah, it might have been a good idea in that thread to wait till you could see the video before weighing in on it.

But my only reason for commenting at all is to thank tkchrist, because this

(Man, people get so freaked when you bring the real world into these safe little web communities.)

actually made me laugh out loud. Thank you, sir.
posted by soyjoy at 10:33 PM on January 25, 2005


Tinamonster busies herself with rubing Jonmc and then screeching "Oww!".
posted by tinamonster at 10:38 PM on January 25, 2005


y'know, contributing here started out as a nice way to talk about things I ordinarily didn't get to talk about and to voice my opinions to someone other than the wall or the TV. BUt sadly I think it's turned into the place where my worst instincts seem to take over. And that's no good.

I'll open this place in my browser with the best of intentions and somebody will say something that makes me mad, or worse, makes me feel small and something takes over. It takes more to make that happen in real life, for some reason, but that's beside the point.

Too often, I walk away from here feeling hurt, angry, baffled or just in way over my head. And when I do try to communicate something 99% of the time I fail, if peoples responses (even nonconfrontational ones) are any indication. And that's just not a good way to spend your time.
posted by jonmc at 10:39 PM on January 25, 2005


*smashes beer bottle on table

You fuck with jonmc, you fuck with me...
posted by Quartermass at 10:41 PM on January 25, 2005


Is this thread about black people or what? I'm not followin'.
posted by Witty at 10:44 PM on January 25, 2005


Is this thread about black people or what? I'm not followin'.

*cuts witty...
posted by Quartermass at 10:47 PM on January 25, 2005


Ok, it seems this has been about as productive that it could be. I better end it before it gets ugly again.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:49 PM on January 25, 2005


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