Sidebar London bombing? July 11, 2005 5:57 PM Subscribe
Has the time come to sidebar the London bombing?
No. I am in agreement with you because this seems to be taking the same course as the "Shiavo" and "Rove" threads. Or, better said, series of threads.
It does seem as though there is some somewhat lively discussion going on there. So shall we go with the flow, as it were?
posted by snsranch at 9:13 PM on July 11, 2005
It does seem as though there is some somewhat lively discussion going on there. So shall we go with the flow, as it were?
posted by snsranch at 9:13 PM on July 11, 2005
I think we are misreading each other. Or, maybe it's just me.
posted by mischief at 9:59 PM on July 11, 2005
posted by mischief at 9:59 PM on July 11, 2005
Well, it is rather tricky since we have so many different threads about it. Anyway, it is up to our great leaders I suppose.
posted by keijo at 1:16 AM on July 12, 2005
posted by keijo at 1:16 AM on July 12, 2005
If the white house press conference wasn't worth a thread then Blairs changing statement certainly isn't.
On the other hand, the Rove's lawyer thread was pretty lame.
There must be a better way to reduce the thread count on these ongoing stories without this side bar thing. I don't have any idea what it would be though...
posted by Chuckles at 4:39 AM on July 12, 2005
On the other hand, the Rove's lawyer thread was pretty lame.
There must be a better way to reduce the thread count on these ongoing stories without this side bar thing. I don't have any idea what it would be though...
posted by Chuckles at 4:39 AM on July 12, 2005
The better way would be for Matt to delete them as soon as they show up, but that would require a degree of vigilance on his part that would be unfair to expect of a new father, and he doesn't want to share the smiting duties, so there you are.
posted by languagehat at 6:35 AM on July 12, 2005
posted by languagehat at 6:35 AM on July 12, 2005
Funny that in the hundreds of 'Christian-bashing' threads published to the front page in the past half-dozen years, you've managed to make yourself scarce when it came time to 'sidebar the bashing'. It's really weird that you'd stay mum about all of that, but when yet another civilian bombing occurs with all the hallmarks of a militant Muslim operation, your first impulse is to recoil from all the awful 'Muslim bashing'. It's almost as though there's a massively dishonest double standard going on at MeFi, or somethin'. I'm confident, though, that no one's saying what's fashionable or what their friends want to hear or what their ego tells them is PC. I'm sure your sudden, strange consideration for militant Islam—the same folks who'd rather blow you up than look at you—comes directly from the heart. *eyeroll*
No one's bashing Islam. Just the bastards who pervert it to murder innocent people. I assume you're bright enough to make the distinction.
posted by dhoyt at 7:37 AM on July 12, 2005
No one's bashing Islam. Just the bastards who pervert it to murder innocent people. I assume you're bright enough to make the distinction.
posted by dhoyt at 7:37 AM on July 12, 2005
but when yet another civilian bombing occurs with all the hallmarks of a militant Muslim operation, your first impulse is to recoil from all the awful 'Muslim bashing'.
really, that's my first impulse? well mr geller, I bow to your mind reading capabilities.
your sudden, strange consideration for militant Islam
my what? straw man much?
No one's bashing Islam. Just the bastards who pervert it to murder innocent people. I assume you're bright enough to make the distinction.
"Londonistan". "Some say Britain overdoing tolerance". Yep, fine FPP material, clearly not the slightest hint of Islam-bashing there.
posted by mr.marx at 7:57 AM on July 12, 2005
really, that's my first impulse? well mr geller, I bow to your mind reading capabilities.
your sudden, strange consideration for militant Islam
my what? straw man much?
No one's bashing Islam. Just the bastards who pervert it to murder innocent people. I assume you're bright enough to make the distinction.
"Londonistan". "Some say Britain overdoing tolerance". Yep, fine FPP material, clearly not the slightest hint of Islam-bashing there.
posted by mr.marx at 7:57 AM on July 12, 2005
Incidentally, why did Matt choose Jessamyn for his co-mod? She's fantastic, but she also has, you know, a life. Why not someone who spends the day in the basement, surfing through every thread?
Why not Quonsar?
posted by NickDouglas at 8:09 AM on July 12, 2005
Why not Quonsar?
posted by NickDouglas at 8:09 AM on July 12, 2005
Man, I'd love to see the site after a day or two of quonsar moderation. It would be as good as that April Fool Wiki.
posted by languagehat at 8:17 AM on July 12, 2005
posted by languagehat at 8:17 AM on July 12, 2005
And as for this game, who wouldn't want a computer simulation of all the Christians leaving?
Some of this was sort of accurate, anyway, like the part about the cargo-hording Christians who worshp an asshole -
That sounds about right. Plus, the Christian god hates sex.
That sounds accurate too.
Why is so much of "popular" Christianity as scripted as the WWF?
Those jibes are just from the first page of results searching for "Christianity". Tepid as they may be, it's strange you and the rest of the sudden "Don't Bash Islam" crowd are nowhere to be found to display Tolerance by defending Christians. Substitute the word "Islam" for "Christianity" in those quotes and you'd have three different indignant MeTa threads.
From what I've seen, the "Don't Bash Islam" thing is a pose, pure and simple, because it's extremely rare for anyone at MeFi to outright 'bash' Islam. When some show ire after another one of the thousands and thousands of incidents linking explosives to militant Muslims, it's a comfortable pose to pretend there is a bunch of Islam-bashing happening at MeFi to balance things out. It feels good, it sounds righteous and contrary, and it has no basis in any reality of "Muslim-bashing" here at MeFi.
For the record, I'm an atheist, but I'm still trying to understand the impulse to rush in and defend specific kinds of fundamentalists and not others.
posted by dhoyt at 8:33 AM on July 12, 2005
Some of this was sort of accurate, anyway, like the part about the cargo-hording Christians who worshp an asshole -
That sounds about right. Plus, the Christian god hates sex.
That sounds accurate too.
Why is so much of "popular" Christianity as scripted as the WWF?
Those jibes are just from the first page of results searching for "Christianity". Tepid as they may be, it's strange you and the rest of the sudden "Don't Bash Islam" crowd are nowhere to be found to display Tolerance by defending Christians. Substitute the word "Islam" for "Christianity" in those quotes and you'd have three different indignant MeTa threads.
From what I've seen, the "Don't Bash Islam" thing is a pose, pure and simple, because it's extremely rare for anyone at MeFi to outright 'bash' Islam. When some show ire after another one of the thousands and thousands of incidents linking explosives to militant Muslims, it's a comfortable pose to pretend there is a bunch of Islam-bashing happening at MeFi to balance things out. It feels good, it sounds righteous and contrary, and it has no basis in any reality of "Muslim-bashing" here at MeFi.
For the record, I'm an atheist, but I'm still trying to understand the impulse to rush in and defend specific kinds of fundamentalists and not others.
posted by dhoyt at 8:33 AM on July 12, 2005
dhoyt maybe that's because our govt. isn't being influenced by people who are using the Koran to change our laws, but by people using the Bible and trying to make this a Christian Theocracy?
Here at home it's Christian militants who are a bigger threat than Muslims, and have planted bombs more than Muslims (abortion clinics, Olympics, gay bars, killed radio djs, etc), yet when that's mentioned people bash too.
posted by amberglow at 9:06 AM on July 12, 2005
Here at home it's Christian militants who are a bigger threat than Muslims, and have planted bombs more than Muslims (abortion clinics, Olympics, gay bars, killed radio djs, etc), yet when that's mentioned people bash too.
posted by amberglow at 9:06 AM on July 12, 2005
I must say I've just about had it with the London threads as well.
I guess one way of doing it would be the ability to link threads together in some manner and then sidebar/whatever those issues that are really major. Then you could open a sort of tree of different threads.
I suppose the fundamental problem is that there are just so many FPPs, and there is currently know way of being able to keep track of things when something like this occurs and things just keep sliding off the front page. But, I realise, every method of changing this would take a major redesign which I guess nobody has the time to do. (expect that proverbial who spends his whole time in the basement going through every thread).
posted by keijo at 10:06 AM on July 12, 2005
I guess one way of doing it would be the ability to link threads together in some manner and then sidebar/whatever those issues that are really major. Then you could open a sort of tree of different threads.
I suppose the fundamental problem is that there are just so many FPPs, and there is currently know way of being able to keep track of things when something like this occurs and things just keep sliding off the front page. But, I realise, every method of changing this would take a major redesign which I guess nobody has the time to do. (expect that proverbial who spends his whole time in the basement going through every thread).
posted by keijo at 10:06 AM on July 12, 2005
I side with dhoyt. Islam is not a sunny, friendly, tolerant religion that kindly asks for a helping hand from the secularists. Have you seen how hard France is fighting it? Granted, banning head scarves in public places seems autocratic, but clearly the secularists there aren't anything like the deists in America, allied with any fundamentalists but the Christians.
But it could be a defensible case of "underdog love" -- we hate Christians just because they're running everything right now. Meanwhile, we'll put up with any nutjobs but them.
posted by NickDouglas at 12:19 PM on July 12, 2005
But it could be a defensible case of "underdog love" -- we hate Christians just because they're running everything right now. Meanwhile, we'll put up with any nutjobs but them.
posted by NickDouglas at 12:19 PM on July 12, 2005
quonsar favors total lack of moderation, noog dickless, which you'd know if you'd been paying attention.
posted by quonsar at 12:55 PM on July 12, 2005
posted by quonsar at 12:55 PM on July 12, 2005
our govt. isn't being influenced by people who are using the Koran
hahahaha - that's rich! heh.
Or were you serious?
posted by freebird at 3:41 PM on July 12, 2005
hahahaha - that's rich! heh.
Or were you serious?
posted by freebird at 3:41 PM on July 12, 2005
Not yet, no. I'll tell you why. The American-interest subjects that recur tend to get weeks airing before they are side-barred. In comparison this is relatively fresh. Also the linked sites are, in my opinion, generally of a higher quality than those of, say, the American election or Iraq war. I'm slightly biased as I am very interested in this particular subject, but I think, for the sake of equality, there's another week or so to go before this is a fair request.
posted by nthdegx at 4:37 AM on July 13, 2005
posted by nthdegx at 4:37 AM on July 13, 2005
Islam is not a sunny, friendly, tolerant religion that kindly asks for a helping hand from the secularists. Have you seen how hard France is fighting it?
Christianity is not a sunny, friendly, tolerant religion that kindly asks for a helping hand from the secularists. Have you seen how hard al-Qaeda is fighting it?
Your "argument" is a non sequitur and your views are repellent.
posted by languagehat at 6:58 AM on July 13, 2005
Christianity is not a sunny, friendly, tolerant religion that kindly asks for a helping hand from the secularists. Have you seen how hard al-Qaeda is fighting it?
Your "argument" is a non sequitur and your views are repellent.
posted by languagehat at 6:58 AM on July 13, 2005
I'm not a fan of Christianity either. I just recognize that it's been less of a direct threat to innocent lives lately than Islam. Also, it's carrying on cozier relations with the secular world.
A pithy rebuttal proves nothing.
posted by NickDouglas at 2:49 PM on July 13, 2005
A pithy rebuttal proves nothing.
posted by NickDouglas at 2:49 PM on July 13, 2005
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posted by snsranch at 7:47 PM on July 11, 2005