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The Michael Vick plea is a pretty big deal. He's probably going to be banned from football. Why all the deletions of the Michael Vick FPP's? This is, if not on the same level, at the least very close to Pete Rose being banned from baseball. Plus the juicy dog fighting thing, of course. The deletions seem really administrator-specific. Though you may not like sports, lots of people on Metafilter do.
posted by billysumday to Etiquette/Policy at 12:54 PM (100 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

Hush.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:07 PM on August 20, 2007


The post was a link to CNN and Yahoo Sports. Maybe its not about hating sports but about hating crappy posts?
posted by vacapinta at 1:07 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


another argument for news.metafilter.com.
posted by modernnomad at 1:08 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


The two deletions were administrator-specific because the two posts came so close together and I happened to be at the wheel when they showed up. It's not the case that all three of us are watching the the flag queue simultaneously all day long.

We've had several Vick posts, including, again, one that is still open. That we got two thin posts bam! bam! in a row like that is a pretty solid argument that it's knee-jerk newsfilter. Please don't presume I'm anti-sports for nuking updatefilter, or that my motivations are colored by the topic.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:10 PM on August 20, 2007


People who love sports and people who love sensationalism are not necessarily the same people. This is a story of a guy in a sensationalized field, high profile and paid scads of money, losing his job over a sensational and low-down, dirty kind of crime. What the hell is its bearing on the sport?
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:10 PM on August 20, 2007


I saw one deletion, were there more? The plea is an update to the ongoing Michael Vick story. It's a newsfilter post on a sports topic, to a community that already has a nearby thriving sportsfilter community and isn't usually that keen on sports to begin with. What is there to say about it? "Oh I hate that fucker!" "Man that guy is crazy!" The whole Vick stoty is sad as hell but it's hard to make a post about it without it just seeming like a "look at this asshole" topic and the juicy dogfighting just ups the squick factor.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 1:10 PM on August 20, 2007


The Michael Vick plea is a pretty big deal.
No.

He's probably going to be banned from football.
Oh.

Why all the deletions of the Michael Vick FPP's?
How many were deleted?

This is, if not on the same level, at the least very close to Pete Rose being banned from baseball.
No.

Plus the juicy dog fighting thing, of course.
Yes, a salacious post is a good post.

The deletions seem really administrator-specific.
You might try e-mailing whichever administrator you mean.

Though you may not like sports, lots of people on Metafilter do.
It's probably because they don't like sports. They probably deleted the posts because they don't like sports. I bet it's 'cause they don't like sports.
posted by Greg Nog at 1:11 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


I hadn't been on today, so I missed the fact that there was a post on what is, I agree, huge news. Were the posts any good or were they single-link newsfilters with no back story? Sportsfilter is having the same discussion right now about whether or not to leave a post about Vick.

On preview, I see SpoFi also deleted that post. I think it's a bad decision myself.
posted by vito90 at 1:11 PM on August 20, 2007


First and second, for reference. Someone could conceivably do a good post on this—again, ideally something more substantive, and covering things that haven't been covered in previous threads—but these were both "hey here's an update on that thing we've been talking about a lot already".
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:16 PM on August 20, 2007


There's a healthy discussion at MeTaChat, centering on whether his punishment should involve randy malamutes or hungry dachshunds, or both.
posted by COBRA! at 1:16 PM on August 20, 2007


Just because a story is sensational doesn't mean you can do a lousy post.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:16 PM on August 20, 2007 [7 favorites]


This is, if not on the same level, at the least very close to Pete Rose being banned from baseball

I'm sorry, but Pete Rose is baseball's all time leader in hits, slides with intent to spike the pivot man on the double play, and all round grit. Michael Vick had two thirds of a good year once; the only thing that he's the all-time NFL leader in is hype to results ratio. Mostly he's hurt and/or not completing nearly enough passes.

It's on the same level of, say, Darryl Strawberry getting banned from baseball.
posted by Kwine at 1:26 PM on August 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


See: the Barry Bonds argument from a week and a half ago. I'm sure that if someone puts together a comprehensive post with interesting links it'll stay up. But lazy posting to wire stories doesn't cut it, from what I've been led to believe.
posted by sjuhawk31 at 1:28 PM on August 20, 2007


Hey-- Straw won a world series. What the hell did Vick ever win, other than a shitload of Madden 2006 MVP awards?
posted by dersins at 1:29 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


FWIW, I'd waited about an hour before posting the story, and I'd intended it to be a MeTa update, not a quickie FPP. Wrong page and a forgotten link later, here we are. My apologies.
posted by sephira at 1:31 PM on August 20, 2007


You're right, dersins. I can't think of a good baseball comp. The point is, Pete Rose? Come on.
posted by Kwine at 1:33 PM on August 20, 2007


A plea deal for a bad post.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:34 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


"The Michael Vick plea is a pretty big deal. "
No. No, it's not. It's a big deal the way Anna Nicole Smith and Paris Hilton are a big deal. Which is to say "not".
posted by 2sheets at 1:36 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


You could go do an obit post on the "Queen of Mean" instead.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:40 PM on August 20, 2007


There's no open Vick FPP. There's the Vick post, from a month ago yesterday and closed to new comments, and there's a crazy-prisoner-lawsuit post, where neither the post nor the discussion have much to do with Vick.
posted by box at 1:41 PM on August 20, 2007


I can't think of a good baseball comp. The point is, Pete Rose? Come on.

Rafael Palmeiro maybe? But he was at least around for a while. Vince Coleman?
posted by LionIndex at 1:43 PM on August 20, 2007


cortex doesn't care about dog people.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:47 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


and there's a crazy-prisoner-lawsuit post, where neither the post nor the discussion have much to do with Vick

Huh. Fair enough, box; I was conflating that lawsuit post with the more Vick-centric deleted double. Mefi Vick talk may just have to wait for a better post. Or a co-opted Metatalk thread, of course.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:53 PM on August 20, 2007


Yeah it's big, but not that big, and I like sports. Usually only big news passes as a post just to a news story. Why not just make a good Vick post, perhaps with background on gambling in sports, in football, past precedents for banning, etc.? The guy is scum and that has been covered pretty well in the prior posts. The only thing interesting about this is whether he can find a way to stay in football. I think there is room for a Vick post seeing that the others are now closed (assuming box is correct) but the mere fact that he is going to plead and the mere possibility of a ban, with nothing more is something anyone who looked at the news recently already knows. Focus on the interesting angles to the story and it might become a decent post.

my vote goes to both randy malamutes and hungry dachshunds
posted by caddis at 1:59 PM on August 20, 2007


I just want to say: I HATE PRO SPORTS AND I REALLY DON'T CARE AND SHOULDN'T A "PLATE OF BEANS" HAVE MORE THAN ONE BEAN ON IT, ANYWAY?

Really. The dude is a fucking chump and a tool for dogfighting. He doesn't even deserve this sentence in which I call him a tool, much less a full post.

Fuck the NFL. No, seriously. They can take a flying fuck at the fucking moon. There's nothing redeemable there. Bunch of rich fucking white guys fighting black guys against each other like they were animals, all dressed up in the panopticon of violent, pompous glory. It's not even bread, nor circus. It's a media-sanctioned genocide machine.

It's little more than the very best of human filth poorly disguised and packaged as something noble and pure and admirable - and that's the worst kind of filth of all.

Don't talk to me about bullshit like "human endeavor" or "struggle". And if you even reach easily for those nearby barbs of "you're just a nerd", "you're just jealous" or something like "they strive for perfection" it'll be - good Sir - swords at motherfucking dawn.

It's the fucking NFL. They're butchers. They sell meat.
posted by loquacious at 2:01 PM on August 20, 2007 [13 favorites]


Vince Coleman

There's a winner. Nice job, LionIndex. Coleman did one thing superhumanly well--stole bases. But that thing is fairly tangential to the business of being a good baseball player. Michael Vick is as good a running quarterback as there has ever been, but that's pretty tangential to the business of being a good quarterback. Coleman flamed out famously with the Jackie Robinson thing and the firecracker thing--Vick parallels obvious here--after a short prime, during which he was legitimately scary because of his tangential superhuman ability--just like Vick.

But at least Coleman had five or so very good seasons, played in a World Series, and set some records.

But, sorry to derail the thread. I'll be movin' along now.
posted by Kwine at 2:04 PM on August 20, 2007


MetaFilter is all about the links. Here is a link to whale poop.
posted by Mister_A at 2:04 PM on August 20, 2007


I hope the admins are just as hardcore on ElectionFilter once that picks up again.
posted by sciurus at 2:19 PM on August 20, 2007


swords at motherfucking dawn.

This is Metafilter. Its broadswords in a pit or nothing.

Also, hell of a rant. Kudos.
posted by ND¢ at 2:22 PM on August 20, 2007


Me too, because Michael Vick's travails are exactly equal in importance to national elections, and it is impossible to make an election post of higher quality than these Michael Vick posts.
posted by Mister_A at 2:24 PM on August 20, 2007


OMG loquacious I didn't realize you were insane until just now. This colors my opinion of things you have previously said and will say in the future. Crazy things.
posted by jonson at 2:26 PM on August 20, 2007 [9 favorites]


Michael Vick had two thirds of a good year once; the only thing that he's the all-time NFL leader in is hype to results ratio.

Not true. Vick holds NFL records for season rushing yards by a QB, highest average gain by season, and highest average gain in a single game. Not Pete Rose-like, maybe, but records nonetheless.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 2:28 PM on August 20, 2007


If Mr. Loquacious doesn't want to take his medication orally, I'm sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way. But I don't think that he would like it.
posted by Skot at 2:29 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


I hope the admins are just as hardcore on ElectionFilter once that picks up again.

A scoundrel is a scoundrel.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:30 PM on August 20, 2007


I just want to say: I HATE PRO SPORTS AND I REALLY DON'T CARE AND SHOULDN'T A "PLATE OF BEANS" HAVE MORE THAN ONE BEAN ON IT, ANYWAY?

That's nice. Now how the hell does you not liking a topic determine whether it's a valid post or not?

Please wait to post something unless you have a valid non-nit-wit oriented reason.
posted by Stynxno at 2:30 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


Some people care about sports. Others don't.
Some people care about politics. Others don't.

I care about not having crappy posts on the front page.
posted by grouse at 2:31 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


jonson maybe loquacious is just a Jets fan, did you ever think of that? Anyway, BitterOldPunk, season rushing record for QBs is respectable, but those other records are just statistical quirks, not "real" records.
posted by Mister_A at 2:32 PM on August 20, 2007




Now how the hell does you not liking a topic determine whether it's a valid post or not?

If feeling intellectually superior to a topic is not a valid reason for bitching and moaning..... we're all in big trouble.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:40 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


I'm confused. Are we talking about Rugby Football or Association Football here?
posted by flashboy at 2:43 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


France creamed England in Rugby. WTF England?
posted by Mister_A at 2:45 PM on August 20, 2007


A scoundrel is a scoundrel.

So he'll be playing for Boston when he gets out of jail?
posted by jamjam at 2:50 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


That's because France are good and we've been shite ever since winning the World Cup.
posted by flashboy at 2:52 PM on August 20, 2007


Michael Vick is going to the Raiders.
posted by Mister_A at 2:52 PM on August 20, 2007


> Not true. Vick holds NFL records for season rushing yards by a QB,

Isn't that sort of like most passing yards by a punter?
posted by jfuller at 3:00 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


This whole mess has me playing Madden '06 again (I don't really care enough to buy a newer version.) I think the real-life Falcons should do what I've been doing, make him scramble on every down; hoping for either a career-ending or life-threatening injury with every play.

Unfortunately, he's averaging about 450 rushing yards and six TD's per game. But damn, it feels so good on those sacks where he doesn't get back up!
posted by malocchio at 3:02 PM on August 20, 2007


Vince Coleman didn't get banned from the game for gambling. Strawberry and Steve Kemp had drug bans, but Vick's ban would be for the gambling associated with the dog fights. I don't think a post about dogfighting would go over too well either. But a post about the long history between American professional sports and the taint of gambling (Donaghy even) could be more interesting. Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle were both banned from baseball in 1983 for taking jobs promoting casinos (they were reinstated in 1985), and what about Michael Jordan getting a pass for being like the world's biggest gambler?
posted by mattbucher at 3:05 PM on August 20, 2007


I don't have a dog in this fight.
posted by Sailormom at 3:06 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Vick has nowhere near the "importance", if you could call it that, of the whole Pete Rose incident. Plus, I'm betting that some people (me included) just don't care about sports.

Personally, I'll be glad when he's off the front page of CNN to make room for hurricane coverage.
posted by mrbill at 3:10 PM on August 20, 2007


poor mr. vick. if the dogs were tearing each other to pieces in a flash cartoon it would be considered best of the web.
posted by quonsar at 4:05 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Meanwhile WKRC is now the Max Roach show for the next week or so that it will take to play all of his stuff without repeating .
posted by hortense at 4:16 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Sports Fans: look on the bright side. It is a third opportunity for Joey Harrington to be a starter.
posted by Cranberry at 4:30 PM on August 20, 2007


Hmm...

I'll troll Wikipedia and IMDB and see if I can come up with a substantial post on this subject in the next few days.
posted by The Confessor at 4:34 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


There are 16,000 Google hits for ["michael vick" mesothelioma]. Mashup time?
posted by grouse at 4:41 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Only ten hits for ["michael vick" "plate of beans"], though.
posted by soundofsuburbia at 5:06 PM on August 20, 2007


On a complete tangent, grouse, thank you for introducing me to Google's keyboard shortcut interface. It's quite cool.

Oh, and I'd better take a sounding. I can still do the self-deprecating humor thing on MeTa, right? I really made an ass of myself here last night; humor and self-deprecation is just about all I have left.
posted by The Confessor at 5:13 PM on August 20, 2007


I'm pretty sure self-deprecation is a constitutionally protected right, TC. Just don't get too vocal with the meta-self-deprecation; that will just rile the hounds up again.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:21 PM on August 20, 2007


Oh, and I'd better take a sounding.

Good call. Penance for being a schlongrod: a good schlongrodding.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 5:22 PM on August 20, 2007


You know, I was actually a bit miffed at loquacious post for the few seconds it took me to realize that he said "NFL" and not "football".

Once I made that realization, I agreed heartily with him and didn't post a reply to him in this thread.
posted by Ryvar at 5:23 PM on August 20, 2007


There's nothing redeemable there.

If there's nothing redeemable in sport, there's nothing redeemable in art.

They are both activities undertaken by people, sometimes for public reasons and sometimes for personal reasons, that can be observed by other people, and those people can choose to internalize (or not) what they want from it. And in both cases, if you're really fucking good at it, you can make lots of dough.

Bunch of rich fucking white guys fighting black guys against each other like they were animals, all dressed up in the panopticon of violent, pompous glory.

OK, so for the record, a protective helmet and pads is a "panopticon of violent, pompous glory." Got it.

It's not even bread, nor circus. It's a media-sanctioned genocide machine.

Circus, maybe. Genocide machine? Since when were whole groups of people killed at an NFL game? Dude, hose off. Your flame is turned up way too high.

I mean, maybe a lot of people wanted to kill Scott Norwood. But last time I checked, he was still selling real estate in Virginia.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:25 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


Maybe Cortex doesn't hate sports— maybe he hates black people.

(I mean, isn't that usually the way we accuse admins around here?)
posted by klangklangston at 5:27 PM on August 20, 2007


A scoundrel is a scoundrel.
So he'll be playing for Boston when he gets out of jail?


Is this some 1999-era Carl Everett reference? I can't think of the last notable New England ex-con athlete since the guy who plowed the field against Miami in the 70s. Maybe Marvin Barnes?
posted by yerfatma at 5:30 PM on August 20, 2007


Sportsfilter is having the same discussion right now about whether or not to leave a post about Vick. On preview, I see SpoFi also deleted that post. I think it's a bad decision myself.

Post still seems to be there for me. I don't see any discussion of the merits either.
posted by yerfatma at 5:32 PM on August 20, 2007


CPB, I think you missed loquacious' point by focusing on it's hyperbole to the exclusion of substance. I think some of the people who run the NFL, like their less wealthy counterparts promoting Ultimate Fighting, would happily bring back bloodsports if they could find a societally acceptable way to handle it. I've spoken to libertarians that have no problem with that possibility. I have little confidence that the people running the NFL care for the the abstract values of sport, while recognizing that attitudes differ from sport to sport. (I haven't seen any violent alternative uses of baseball bats in an MLB game, for example.)
posted by StrikeTheViol at 5:45 PM on August 20, 2007


Yerfatma - yeah I noticed it "came back"? Did it ever disappear or maybe I was looking at a cached page. Anyhoo. Fuck Michael Vick.
posted by vito90 at 5:51 PM on August 20, 2007


I think some of the people who run the NFL, like their less wealthy counterparts promoting Ultimate Fighting, would happily bring back bloodsports if they could find a societally acceptable way to handle it.

Funny you should bring up ultimate fighting. The UFC, the most popular circuit, was bankrupt and banned in most states, before it was purchased by the current owners. And the first thing they did was make several rules changes to eliminate the more ludicrous, dangerous aspects of the event, in an effort to become sanctioned by various state sporting commissions. So, only when it was de-violenced, it became popular and acceptable to the mainstream.

I'm not terribly rah-rah NFL. But hyperbole just doesn't hold water in any case. Loquacious' point is simply an extreme view that needed a little balloon-popping. If that's offensive, apologies.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:53 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


Most of the admins here are against the war in Iraq, but a whole lot of "the war in Iraq STILL sucks" posts get deleted because it's old. To be good, there has to be something new about FPPs as well.
Michael Vick has agreed to a plea deal.
News, but not really newsy. Oh my god! He's totally obviously guilty and he decided not to stand trial?!? Deleted.
Michael Vick, in a reckless attempt to be acquitted on grounds of insanity, chewed off his own arm on live TV. (SLYT)
If true, that would have stayed.
posted by Deathalicious at 5:58 PM on August 20, 2007


CoolPapaBell: Agree with most of your post.

But.

As a born-and-bred Buffalonian, I didn't want to kill Norwood. I wanted to cry for him. (And cry I did, not just for him.)

If Kelly & Co. hadn't choked to the point where we needed a 49-yard field goal to win the game, Norwood would not be the nationwide joke that he has become. I was at the AFC championship game that year where the Bills demolished the Raiders 51-3. With an offense like that, the Bills should have put up a lot more than 19 points that sad day.

Now I'm starting to feel like a curse - I watch the Bills lose 4 Super Bowls (and later, the Sabres lose a Stanley Cup), move to Chicago and watch the Bears lose one too. *sigh*
posted by misskaz at 6:13 PM on August 20, 2007


This is not SportsFilter.
posted by Eideteker at 6:14 PM on August 20, 2007


Ambrosia Voyeur

That was one of the least pleasant mental images I have ever experienced. I probably deserved it, but I'm all penanced out for the moment.
posted by The Confessor at 6:15 PM on August 20, 2007


Plus, I'm betting that some people (me included) just don't care about sports.

I don't understand this argument. There's a shitton of stuff posted people don't care about. People's caring about a subject in of itself shouldn't have any bearing on its worthiness.

This is not SportsFilter.

There's also slashdot. And politicsfilter's in the work. Your point?
posted by jmd82 at 6:22 PM on August 20, 2007


There does seem to be people here against posts about sports because they don't care about sports, which is a terrible argument to anyone with any sense.

There's a whole shitload of things posted that I couldn't care less about but I don't use that as an argument against them being posted, I just don't pay any attention to them.
posted by puke & cry at 6:33 PM on August 20, 2007


I see three years in nick (just out today) for actually killing a man (dangerous driving and he fled the scene too) hasn't prevented Lee Hughes getting to play (proper) football for Oldham this season.
posted by Abiezer at 6:49 PM on August 20, 2007


I see three years in nick (just out today) for actually killing a man (dangerous driving and he fled the scene too) hasn't prevented Lee Hughes getting to play (proper) football for Oldham this season.

no, but people are expendable and dogs are oh so cute awwwwwww. expect a huge pr move to ban him.
posted by dflemingdotorg at 7:11 PM on August 20, 2007


FWIW, I'd waited about an hour before posting the story, and I'd intended it to be a MeTa update

Hey sephira: Please don't use MetaTalk to update newsfilter. You'll notice that there's really not a good category for that sort of post here. Updates either go in a previous thread on the blue (if one's still open) or get made into a new MeFi post if truly worthy.
posted by carsonb at 7:17 PM on August 20, 2007


I posted a link about Michael Vick, and I swear it's not a stunt post or mocking the earlier threads in any way. I really thought the ESPN wrap-up around the case was truly a great link explaining all the legal ramifications of yet another crazy celebrity story and elevates it from being a simple newsfilter update post.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:36 PM on August 20, 2007


Showoff.
posted by jonson at 7:54 PM on August 20, 2007


Banned.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:13 PM on August 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


This is not SportsFilter.

Oh give me a break. Sports belongs on MeFi as much as *any* other subject. Sportsfilter may have a slightly lower threshold for sports news posts, but its existence in no way eliminates sports as a valid subject for decent posts here.
posted by mediareport at 8:55 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


I'm not just talking about my wife, I'm talking about my LIFE, I can't seem to get that through to you. I'm not just talking about one person, I'm talking about everybody. I'm talking about form. I'm talking about content. I'm talking about interrelationships. I'm talking about God, the devil, Hell, Heaven. Do you understand... FINALLY?
posted by vronsky at 9:31 PM on August 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


There are no discreet objects, vronsky. But there is form.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:32 PM on August 20, 2007


In a larger context of pro sports players and criminal behavior, this could be a great post.

For instance, a couple years ago, Danny Heatley of the NHL was convicted of vehicular manslaughter in the death of a teammate, and he only received three years probation. He drove into a brick wall going 130 mph in a Ferrari.

The question becomes, was that less of a story because hockey is less popular in the US, or do we have more sympathy for helpless animals than helpless people? Are we more likely to forgive someone if we think he has a future in sports, or does his fame make him more likely to do time? Does the race of the accused enter in the equation, or the age? etc.
posted by misha at 11:12 PM on August 20, 2007


Sportsfilter may have a slightly lower threshold for sports news posts, but its existence in no way eliminates sports as a valid subject for decent posts here.

The ironic thing being an espn link is generally frowned on as a sportsfilter link. It's basically similar to linking to cnn on metafilter with all the negatives that comes with it.

Matt's link is informative, but not up to what is normally required on metafilter for other topics. But because sports threads go so badly on metafilter it's a pretty transparent way of keeping the link super simple and saying 'see, we can do sports on mefi'.
posted by justgary at 11:27 PM on August 20, 2007


see, we can do sports on mefi
posted by carsonb at 11:37 PM on August 20, 2007


Wow, carsonb, that thread and the other thread it links are full of wonderful stuff. Thanks, missed those the first time.
posted by mediareport at 7:00 AM on August 21, 2007


Holy shit! I just accidentally—seriously and truly accidentally—killed DevilsAdvocate's comment. Metatalk comments die a permanent death. DA, I'll email you the text for reposting.

x != +
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:49 AM on August 21, 2007


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posted by grouse at 7:51 AM on August 21, 2007


If there's nothing redeemable in sport, there's nothing redeemable in art.

I'm not talking about sports. I'm talking about the fucking NFL.

Yeah, that rant was ratched way up there. It's suitable for the subject at hand.

I'm not talking about banning sports from Mefi. That's ludicrous. Just pick something good, ok? Something we haven't seen before, or something we can't get by turning on the TV and going vegetative.

There's no redemption in art, anyway. Only madness and pain.
posted by loquacious at 8:04 AM on August 21, 2007


x != +

cortex you goober, that doesn't make sense to anyone but me.

mod amok!!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:13 AM on August 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


I warned that Haughey! Didn't I warn him? WE'RE WORKING WITHOUT A NET! IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEONE GOT HURT!

I'M TOO PRETTY FOR JAIL!
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:15 AM on August 21, 2007


I've been tempted for the past few weeks to come up with a list of
"arguments that never work in MetaTalk." (Not that anyone would
listen, mind you, but it would be cathartic.) This seems as good a
thread as any:

Arguments opposed to deletion which never work:
K1. "This other bad post wasn't deleted, so this one shouldn't have
been deleted."
K2. "I paid $5 for the right to post here."
K3. "There's nothing in the guidelines explicitly prohibiting this post."
K4. "The admins are biased against the topic/POV."
K5. "It's shouldn't have been deleted because it's important
information that everyone should know/act on."
K6. "People are interested in discussing X."

Arguments in favor of deletion which never work:
D1. "MeFites aren't interested in X" (or even worse, "I'm not interested in X")
D2. "What if every post did this?"
D3. "There are other places on the internet for discussing X."

I'm sure I've missed some, so feel free to add. Nice that this post
hit two of the reasons, K1, and K4, while commenters in the thread
have hit D1 and D3.

No hard feelings, cortex
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:40 AM on August 21, 2007 [17 favorites]


If I was a moderator, I think I'd want my "kill" button to be a happy face, because it would make me happy to push it.
posted by yhbc at 9:57 AM on August 21, 2007


K7. "I'll cut off my [body part], I swear I will."
posted by yhbc at 9:59 AM on August 21, 2007 [1 favorite]


Yay! I hit the right button this time, too.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:00 AM on August 21, 2007


K8. "Deletion = censorship."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:23 AM on August 21, 2007


I've had to add a new category...

Arguments which can be used either for or against deletion which never work:
G1. If I'm wrong, ban me.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:26 AM on August 22, 2007


Loquacious, you’re my hero!
posted by jonson's wife at 3:37 PM on August 23, 2007


This shit just got real.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:51 PM on August 23, 2007


For serious. I need to figure out how to restrict internet access on this woman. Either that, or distract her with breaking celebrity news on TMZ.com.
posted by jonson at 4:14 PM on August 23, 2007


Or show her how to favorite...
posted by dersins at 5:08 PM on August 23, 2007


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