Three Strikes, SLBOE

October 30, 2007 12:21 PM

A good post to MetaFilter is something that meets the following criteria: most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others.

What?

This is an excuse for people to argue with each other for the next five hundred comments, and little more. I am bewildered that this has been perceived by the moderators as anything but crass, petulant, rambling versions of arguments that have been expressed and discussed in infinitely superior contexts throughout this sites history. We don't do Dawkins anymore, so how is this remotely acceptable?

posted by prostyle to etiquette/policy at 12:21 PM (93 comments total)

I reject the notion that I am being petulant, crass, or overly rambling.
posted by Pastabagel at 12:28 PM on October 30, 2007

Did you mean to link to something on MetaFilter?
posted by timeistight at 12:29 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

That was a crazy-shitty post, but I'm kind of glad it stood there without deletion; the Great Religion Flamewars posts get taken down so often, it seems like that worked all right as a safety valve for atheists and non-atheists to yell at each other a little.
posted by Greg Nog at 12:29 PM on October 30, 2007

Did you mean to link to something on MetaFilter?

No, actually I meant to post this to my livejournal instead. WOOPS
posted by prostyle at 12:30 PM on October 30, 2007 [4 favorites]

We don't do Dawkins anymore, so how is this remotely acceptable?

A Dawkins post would indeed have to be exceptional to pass muster here, because his views have already been posted, discussed, and debated numerous times. But this isn't a Dawkins post, its a post about atheism. They are not the same thing; the former is a subset of the latter. This doesn't necessarily make it a great post, but it does mean that your rhetorical question is infelicitous at best.
posted by googly at 12:31 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

But this isn't a Dawkins post, its a post about atheism. They are not the same thing

Haha, you're funny.
posted by prostyle at 12:34 PM on October 30, 2007

And you're confused. The fact that Dawkins posts don't go particularly well and are often deleted should not be read as a wholesale condemnation of atheism as a post topic. Again: there may be plenty of reasons that the post is not great (single link blog rant on a well-rehearsed topic), but the mere fact that it is about atheism is not one of them.
posted by googly at 12:37 PM on October 30, 2007

I'm glad it's gone on this long, but only because any idiots that put their money on under (192? Ha!) are going to have to pay up.

Get your wallets out, bitches.
posted by god hates math at 12:37 PM on October 30, 2007

Yeah, looking at the title of that post, which, if I'm not mistaken, sounds at least a little deadpan, I'd say this post kind of counts as "troll." I have a hard time believing that nickyskye really thought that article was awesome. I guess I could be proven wrong.

prostyle: "No, actually I meant to post this to my livejournal instead. WOOPS"

Okay, doofus. He meant that you probably meant to link to this, but forgot. You were talking about nickyskye's post, right?
posted by koeselitz at 12:38 PM on October 30, 2007

No, actually I meant to post this to my livejournal instead. WOOPS

Actually, timeistight is asking if you meant to link to the metafilter thread you're talking about, instead of the what's her name's blog. you know, so that people don't have to scour the front page, hovering over every link, to figure out what you're talking about.

For everyone else, he's talking about this thread. It's not an exceptional thread by any means, but I'm inclined to translate prostyle's metatalk post this way: blahblahblah, whine whine, atheist fight, delete.
posted by shmegegge at 12:38 PM on October 30, 2007

Is it possible to delete both the post and this silly, obnoxious metatalk thread about it?
posted by koeselitz at 12:41 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Actually, timeistight is asking...

Yeah, I got that much. I copied the wrong link. The administrators can fix it if they want to, because I can't.

Is it possible to delete both the post and this silly, obnoxious metatalk thread about it?

In a perfect world.
posted by prostyle at 12:43 PM on October 30, 2007

I thought the post sucked and the thread only marginally better. If it had been deleted I wouldn't have blinked, but the fact that it stayed doesn't seem like a big deal either. In the end: meh.
posted by slogger at 12:45 PM on October 30, 2007

I didn't flag the post 'cause I love nickyskye (and I didn't comment in it because I don't need it showing up in my Recent Activity for the next month), but yeah, it's a crappy post and I can't imagine what she was thinking. So I guess I cast a reluctant vote for deletion. Sorry, nickyskye.
posted by languagehat at 12:46 PM on October 30, 2007

There aren't enough places on the internet for atheists to talk about their opression. The mods were just trying to provide a safe environment for them to vent their frustration.

I have the same opinion about Ron Paul as well. You never hear about that guy.
posted by Stynxno at 12:50 PM on October 30, 2007 [2 favorites]

If it's not deleted, there is no God.
posted by klangklangston at 12:51 PM on October 30, 2007 [4 favorites]

Really what new can be said about atheism and/or what new developments can occur in the field of atheism? Nothing. Does that mean that we can never have atheism posts? People's heads would explode. This one wasn't too bad. At least it was short. Let people get their ya yas out with an atheism post every once in a while. It ain't hurting nobody.
posted by ND¢ at 12:51 PM on October 30, 2007

Hush now. It's axe-grinding season, y'all. Gotta get them good and sharp for the War On Christmas and the US primary/caucus season that's starting up right afterwards.
posted by dw at 12:53 PM on October 30, 2007

Godi-Dodi
We like to party
We don't cause trouble
we don't bother nobody.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:56 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

I'd really like to know what nickyskye was thinking, and why she wanted to post this. Maybe there's something in that blog post that I didn't see.
posted by koeselitz at 12:59 PM on October 30, 2007

Oh hey. Britney released a new album today.

I totally need to crank a post about that out.
posted by Stynxno at 1:07 PM on October 30, 2007

Apropos of nothing, is Christianity the only extant theophagist religion? Word nerds want to know.
posted by Mister_A at 1:09 PM on October 30, 2007

I cast a reluctant vote for deletion

Why do people keep saying things like this?

Metafilter is not a democracy.

We do not have votes to cast.

Unless languagehat is the shadow moderator, of course, in which case I retract my statement.
posted by dersins at 1:12 PM on October 30, 2007

Well I learned never to fuck with koeselitz and his Nietzsche. For that, I am grateful.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 1:14 PM on October 30, 2007

Yep. Back the fuck up, y'all.
posted by koeselitz at 1:16 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Dershins, the parliament of MetaTalk is allowed to pass non-binding resolutions.
posted by klangklangston at 1:17 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

I love all you atheists with the undiscriminating heart of the bodhisattva, but I must say I fear for your future incarnations. Kalpas to be spent in the invertebrate end of things for many of you.
posted by Abiezer at 1:17 PM on October 30, 2007 [2 favorites]

The Cabal gets to vote.
posted by timeistight at 1:17 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

What am I saying? Forget that; there is no Cabal.
posted by timeistight at 1:18 PM on October 30, 2007

Also, I should say that I'm thankful for the thread, if only because I got to use the phrase "you girl's blouse" as an insult. I've been waiting for a chance to do that since I saw Naked again last weekend.
posted by koeselitz at 1:19 PM on October 30, 2007

Apropos of nothing, is Christianity the only extant theophagist religion? Word nerds want to know.

Christianity as a whole, no. Only Roman Catholics and the various Orthodox churches believe that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood. With some exceptions here and there (e.g. the Anglicans, who vary from vicar to vicar), all other denominations believe that they're symbols alone.
posted by dw at 1:24 PM on October 30, 2007

What am I saying? Forget that; there is no Cabal.


La seule difference entre le cabal et le pere noel, c'est que le pere noel existe...
posted by kosem at 1:25 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

I got to use the phrase "you girl's blouse" as an insult.

It's not really an insult without the big.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 1:26 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

The main exception among Protestants is the historic Reformed movement that descends from Calvin, although in reality most Presbyterian denominations have moved away from "real presence" over the last 100 years.

I only post this because it allows me to use my favorite theological term, the Calvinist interpretation of Real Presence: pneumatic presence.
posted by dw at 1:31 PM on October 30, 2007

MetaFilter: crass, petulant, rambling versions of arguments.
posted by ericb at 1:34 PM on October 30, 2007

It was kind of an on-the-fence* one; I'm not in love with it, but we aren't going to go out of our way to avoid ever letting people post stuff about atheism, same as any of the other bingo squares.

It's not a stunner of an article, but it's a lot more exhaustive and thus I think kind of interesting in its presentation than a lot of things could be.

Jess has been out and about today; I'm not sure what Matt is up to, precisely, but I think he and pb are doing some Actual Work on the site. And for all the kind of predictable heat within the thread, it hasn't seemed to really get out of hand or cause problems on the site, so it didn't really force my hand.

*Inches, there, from using the phrase "it's a fence post" as shorthand. Beanplating is one thing, but that might be treading to far into confusion; if it got to be a habitual bit of terminology, people might reanalyze it as meaning that such things are, as fence posts to a fence, the sturdy foundations upon which the site is built. Heh.
posted by cortex at 1:35 PM on October 30, 2007

Ah, the pneumatic presence. How I have burned in my Godly longing for those good sisters who bear righteous witness to its awesome power.
posted by Abiezer at 1:36 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

My next band will be called Umi and The Fenceposts.
posted by fandango_matt at 1:38 PM on October 30, 2007

Your favorite deity sucks.
posted by empath at 1:39 PM on October 30, 2007

Lutherans teach that it's all four things at once: bread, body, wine, blood. It's sometimes referred to as "consubstatiation" or "impanation".
posted by padraigin at 1:40 PM on October 30, 2007

So the next time I'm in a motel room and I hear the neighbor's headboard banging against the wall and screams of "Oh My Non-Entity, OH MY NON-ENTITY!," I'll know there's a Mefite in the house.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 1:44 PM on October 30, 2007 [3 favorites]

This is cathartic. We were days without a bitchy post or two.

So here goes.

Cortex: Now that you've gotten off your skinny East-Coast ass, can you please fix the crap link in this lame callout?

kthxbye!

I keyed, I keyed.
posted by Sk4n at 1:47 PM on October 30, 2007

I'm in Oregon, bucko. Also, the whole link thing kind of sorts itself out in the first few comments of the thread. Eh?
posted by cortex at 1:49 PM on October 30, 2007

It's sometimes referred to as "consubstatiation" or "impanation".

And thus, the Lutherans set up chains of Mexican restaurants and began selling "empanadas" to the unsuspecting masses.
posted by LionIndex at 1:57 PM on October 30, 2007

Impanation? That is a wondrous word.
posted by Mister_A at 1:58 PM on October 30, 2007

is Christianity the only extant theophagist religion?

All religions have a vested interest in who gets to eat Malcolm-Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show.
posted by CKmtl at 2:00 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Anyway, please answer my question: Are there non-Christian religions/religious sects/splinter groups that eat their gods? I have a feeling some of you IT geeks around here worship Twinkies, but that doesn't really count.
posted by Mister_A at 2:00 PM on October 30, 2007

Also, the whole link thing kind of sorts itself out in the first few comments of the thread. Eh?

No thanks to prostyle, though.
posted by timeistight at 2:05 PM on October 30, 2007

Is it possible to delete merge both the post and this silly, obnoxious metatalk thread about it?
posted by davejay at 2:10 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

I got to use the phrase "you girl's blouse" as an insult.

It's not really an insult without the big. (Armitage Shanks)

Can I derail for a minute? Good. Is it properly parsed (Big Girl's) Blouse or Big (Girl's Blouse)?
posted by Rock Steady at 2:13 PM on October 30, 2007

"We can’t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don’t go anywhere -- like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. 'Give me five bees for a quarter,' you’d say.
"Now where were we? Oh yeah -- the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
"You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J. D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run out of the house with a big washtub and... hey! Where are you going?"
"Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. I used my washtub that morning to clean my turkey, which back then was called a 'walking bird'. We had walking bird on Thanksgiving with cranberry sauce, Injun eyes, and yams stuffed with gunpowder. We also sat around and watched football, which back then was called baseball."
"Anyway, 'long story short', is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling." (source)
posted by blue_beetle at 2:14 PM on October 30, 2007 [3 favorites]

Mister_A: "Apropos of nothing, is Christianity the only extant theophagist religion? Word nerds want to know."

Absolutely not. Any member of the secret cult of quonsar can probably enumerate to you all of the millions of times that they have heard their dear divinity enunciate their shameless shibboleth by intoning the sacred words:

"EAT ME!"
posted by koeselitz at 2:16 PM on October 30, 2007

Mister_A - I have seen claims that sacramental mysteries like theophagy were borrowed from Mithraism. There are also plenty of rejections of such claims if you Google the topic. Nothing else springs to mind, other than Greek gods swallowing their children and the like.
posted by Abiezer at 2:18 PM on October 30, 2007

I for one welcome this thread.
posted by jeffamaphone at 2:27 PM on October 30, 2007

Is it properly parsed (Big Girl's) Blouse or Big (Girl's Blouse)?

I parsed it "Big (Girl's Blouse)."

This is why parenthetical phrases should be acceptable in English. If the linguists get to use them to parse their sentences, so should we.

Though I've got to admit, since becoming a MeFi regular, I've started to use small like I used to use parentheses.
posted by god hates math at 2:28 PM on October 30, 2007

Is it properly parsed (Big Girl's) Blouse or Big (Girl's Blouse)?

Don't they end up referring to pretty much identical pieces of clothing?
posted by vytae at 2:35 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

So the next time I'm in a motel room and I hear the neighbor's headboard banging against the wall and screams of "Oh My Non-Entity, OH MY NON-ENTITY!," I'll know there's a Mefite in the house.

I have always thought that women who scream "Oh God!" instead of YOUR NAME are just trying to deny you your due credit. Of course, there are plenty of guys who hear "Oh God!" and assume she's referring to them.
posted by wendell at 2:35 PM on October 30, 2007

Atheism is a proof unto itself.

If there was a god, she would have enough mercy on us all to spare us from having to deal with the trendy ubiquitousness, consistently un-insightful, and painfully repetitive asshattery that passes for active atheism.
posted by dios at 2:43 PM on October 30, 2007 [4 favorites]

It was a lame post, wasn't it? And yet I jumped right in, trying to make it happy, clinging to what little grace I may have. Oh, why do I find myself attracted to lame, arrogant, misanthropic dark-haired baritone... Oh.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 3:12 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Are you there Dios? It's me, Wino.
posted by Divine_Wino at 3:12 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Are you there Dios? It's me, Wino.

Take. Drink.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:23 PM on October 30, 2007

I can't believe nobody did this yet.

MetaFilter: blahblahblah, whine whine, atheist fight, delete
posted by sveskemus at 3:31 PM on October 30, 2007 [2 favorites]

There is no god. Only dios.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:35 PM on October 30, 2007

There is no god. Only dios.

Geesh ... yet another thread that ends up about dios! ; )
posted by ericb at 3:42 PM on October 30, 2007

Hey, I think that's only the second time I've had someone take something I said and turn it into a tagline! Woohoo!

Also, I'd just like to point out that my comment in the atheism thread is fucking awesome.
posted by shmegegge at 3:45 PM on October 30, 2007

empath : Your favorite deity sucks.

Yes. She does. And now you know why she's my favorite.
posted by quin at 3:47 PM on October 30, 2007

Now you guys are getting it.

Any of you militant atheists want to deny my existence?

Grab your ankles, and I'll make you a believer.
posted by dios at 3:54 PM on October 30, 2007 [2 favorites]

Taking the congregation's temperature in the rectory, again, dios?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:08 PM on October 30, 2007 [2 favorites]

Relax, it's just a guideline. Quality, interest, novelty, etc. are all overrated.
posted by Eideteker at 4:17 PM on October 30, 2007

Raelians.
posted by Reggie Digest at 4:22 PM on October 30, 2007

The thread didn't bug me. The complaint about the thread did.

If your philosophy is so awesome, let free speech reign and it will become apparent. Merely silencing the opposition isn't enough.
posted by foobario at 4:24 PM on October 30, 2007

Any of you militant atheists want to deny my existence?

Grab your ankles, and I'll make you a believer.

I think I like you better in MeTa than anywhere else.
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:33 PM on October 30, 2007

Merely silencing the opposition isn't enough.

Agreed. The opposition should always be crushed.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:34 PM on October 30, 2007

Is it properly parsed (Big Girl's) Blouse or Big (Girl's Blouse)?

I'd say (big) (girl's) blouse. [NOT BLOUSIST]
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:57 PM on October 30, 2007

"It was kind of an on-the-fence"

I see. Can you go over the meaning of "GYOFB" and "single link" and "axegrind" for me again because seeing this post stand makes me think those words don't mean what I think they mean.

Greta's screed was the Chick Tract of atheist ideology.
posted by klarck at 5:09 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

Cool! I love those guys!

I want you to want me
I need you to need me...

Oh, sorry. "Chick Tract." Got it.
posted by breezeway at 5:28 PM on October 30, 2007 [1 favorite]

There is no god. Only dios.

There is no Dana, only Zuul.
posted by Chrysostom at 6:40 PM on October 30, 2007

I thought the thread was pretty good, even if it was essentially the same discussion we always have, only this time with less insults. I enjoyed participating in it.
posted by lazaruslong at 6:53 PM on October 30, 2007

Metafilter: blahblahblah, whine whine, gays complaining, delete
posted by meehawl at 9:22 PM on October 30, 2007

There is only The Great Juju!
posted by homunculus at 11:55 PM on October 30, 2007

"If your philosophy is so awesome, let free speech reign and it will become apparent. Merely silencing the opposition isn't enough."

ALL HAIL NOISE!
posted by klangklangston at 12:11 AM on October 31, 2007

I alluded this in the thread, but the "this has all been said before," "what's the point?," "You won't change anybodies mind," etc. comments are getting annoying. While I doubt anyone would convert over any one specific religious comment or thread, it is useful for people to see other viewpoints/arguments on the subject, if for no other reason than to better understand what they themselves believe. Seeing other viewpoints/arguments can and does lead to people changing their beliefs all the time. Did you arrive at your beliefs in a vacumn? Did you just blindly accept what your parents, church, government said? Maybe. I didn't. It was a slow journey of seeing other views and accepting what made sense to me. It gets refined all the time. If you don't want to participate or you think it has no use then you can move on.

Her weblog post has been making the rounds specifically because it addresses why atheist's have/should have anger. I liked it because it codifies a lot of my beliefs more eloquently than I could myself.
posted by jeblis at 8:50 AM on October 31, 2007 [1 favorite]

ALL HAIL NOISE! ERIS!

that's more like it.

So, that thread has reeeeeally gone pear shaped now. When the easily baited atheists wake up (late sleepers=nonbelievers) they're gonna see how konolia was just warming up yesterday.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:08 AM on October 31, 2007

they're gonna see how konolia was just warming up yesterday.

I dunno, the "we'll see who's right in 100 years when we're all dead" thing from yesterday was a pretty stellar passive-aggressive thing. Of all possible post-death outcomes there's only, say, two that could result in a "Ha! Told you so!" moment: heaven/hell, or all of us ending up as shinto-buddhist style roaming ghosts because we weren't properly enshrined by our descendants.

Maybe she's just cranky because of all the pagan-ish evil afoot, what with this being Halloween and all.
posted by CKmtl at 11:18 AM on October 31, 2007

I alluded this in the thread, but the "this has all been said before," "what's the point?," "You won't change anybodies mind," etc. comments are getting annoying.

You think those are annoying, you should see my Recent Activity page. You're going to wear out your F5 key if you keep up that ping-ponging.

It's a good thing I read this before I commented in that thread about how konolia is fully entitled to practice her faith and express her interpretations of the world so long as she doesn't try to impose those beliefs on others, and how your mission is futile, lamely repetitive, flawed by blatant appeals to emotionalism (The 'What kind of God would let babies drown?!?' bit is best left to jaded 13 year olds getting stoned in their friend's basement, I think) and in the end will change nothing, besides reinforcing konolia's faith.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:48 PM on October 31, 2007

and how your mission is futile, lamely repetitive, flawed by blatant appeals to emotionalism

If you were referring to me, I never used any form of the 'What kind of God would let babies drown?!?' argument. As for what purpose the thread serves, it's up to each individual why they want to participate. Apparently you want to complain about something.
posted by jeblis at 1:31 PM on October 31, 2007

This kind of god.
posted by Mister_A at 1:58 PM on October 31, 2007

If nobody minds my airing a pet peeve, these thread suck not least because I can't get a word in and get a question answered because I'm not being a shrill pedant. le sigh.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:06 PM on October 31, 2007

Ambrosia - the answer is three Hail Marys and four Our Fathers, unless you swallowed. In the latter case, meet me in the vestry for a moral intervention.
posted by Abiezer at 2:14 PM on October 31, 2007

Yeah, I was totally lumping you in with bornjewish. Annoying pedantry is annoying pedantry, regardless of whether one is quibbling about the definition of "Holy" or co-opting and trivializing the deaths of thousands of people.

Apparently you want to complain about something.

Would it be more palatable if I told you I was an atheist who had reasons to be angry?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:02 PM on October 31, 2007

Didn't know my post was being discussed here until last night and was too pooped from Halloween revelry to reply. Wanted to think about the comments here too.

Unlike a lot of the people in this thread, I'm not as familiar as you with discussion of religion in MetaFilter. Usually I put my energy here into other topics.

Reasons I posted that link. I loved what Greta Christina has to say, think she is articulate, her points well made. Enjoyed that she made a list with pictures for almost every point and links to what she referred to. Liked the look and presentation of the page. In my experience it made reading her points easier.

jeblis says some of the things I would really also have liked to say. I alluded this in the thread, but the "this has all been said before," "what's the point?," "You won't change anybodies mind," etc. comments are getting annoying. While I doubt anyone would convert over any one specific religious comment or thread, it is useful for people to see other viewpoints/arguments on the subject, if for no other reason than to better understand what they themselves believe. Seeing other viewpoints/arguments can and does lead to people changing their beliefs all the time. Did you arrive at your beliefs in a vacumn? Did you just blindly accept what your parents, church, government said? Maybe. I didn't. It was a slow journey of seeing other views and accepting what made sense to me. It gets refined all the time. If you don't want to participate or you think it has no use then you can move on.

Her weblog post has been making the rounds specifically because it addresses why atheist's have/should have anger. I liked it because it codifies a lot of my beliefs more eloquently than I could myself.

That sums up very much my own thoughts. I didn't expect to change anybody but more that Greta's page "codifies a lot of my beliefs more eloquently than I could myself" and I hoped in sharing that others might also share their thoughts.

Personally, I'm Buddhist but broke free of Buddhist cults around a number of Tibetan lamas. When I became Buddhist I had to tolerate the contempt of a recently born-again Christian relative. In trying to be 'a good Buddhist' I just cut my relative slack, they do their thing, I'll do mine kind of attitude. As the years went by I'd see things about Christianity that caused me some ire but never pieced the thoughts together. Greta put a number of those pieces together in one place and I liked that. Perhaps somebody will put together a concise, visually interesting page for things to be angry about in Tibetan Buddhism? I'd enjoy that too.

Last but not least there was Greta's expression of anger. She had good reasons to be angry and thought them out clearly. I've found a number of people to be particularly and annoyingly patronizing -and misogynistic- when I have expressed feeling anger about anything, that it's not considered ladylike. It's not considered educated. Or that somebody expressing anger is necessarily being aggressive, threatening or implying violence. It's not what other people want to see, an angry woman. And I think people, not just women, can express deep anger, while also being educated, open-minded, peace loving and kind.

Overthought beans, anybody?
posted by nickyskye at 8:47 AM on November 1, 2007

Yiz a good egg, Nickyskye.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:38 PM on November 1, 2007

Just got in from work and worried what might be the response. How nice of you to say that Divine_Wino. Much appreciated. :)
posted by nickyskye at 4:56 PM on November 1, 2007