All I want for Xmas is a meetup...with mathowie

November 19, 2007 6:58 AM

mathowie and allkindsoftime will be in San Francisco December 15-16. Meetup?

I know we just had one - and I missed it (and the one before, etc.), but mathowie and allkindsoftime noted in the Whistler thread that they'd both be in SF that weekend. So, meetup? I swear I'll actually turn up for this one.

posted by rtha to MetaFilter Gatherings at 6:58 AM (217 comments total)

Ooh! Ooh! I want to meet #1!

*rummages frantically for a blue T-shirt*
posted by Quietgal at 7:16 AM on November 19, 2007

For best results, you'll need to rephrase in the question in the form of an actual plan:

1) Email mathowie and allkindsoftime to see which date works best for them and which parts of the city works best within their transportation constraints;
2) Find (solicit suggestions if necessary) a suitable venue within those constraints, noting that easy BART access tends to draw more East Bay folks like me;
3) And then post a firm plan of time/date/location, by fiat. Spare nothing but rueful "next times" for those who can't make it. Show up early, and cross your fingers and hope that others show.

As the LA crowd demonstrates, anything less is just madness catering to the flakes.

Good luck -- I'll be there if I'm in town that weekend. Haven't made holiday plans yet.
posted by DaShiv at 7:35 AM on November 19, 2007 [1 favorite]

Going to San Francisco for a meetup? Pfft! - that is soooo last weekend, you losers.

Nowadays all the cool kids are hugging their DaShiv photos and rocking gently back and forward in their bedrooms and whimpering "so lonley ... so cold ... so lonely ... so cold".
posted by the quidnunc kid at 7:44 AM on November 19, 2007 [3 favorites]

You are right, DaShiv - I have mefimailed them both.

*waits on tenterhooks*

*ow*
posted by rtha at 8:17 AM on November 19, 2007

....and mathowie's free on Friday evening, December 14th.
posted by rtha at 8:25 AM on November 19, 2007

Well, I am free that weekend, though friday evening might be hard to make from down here. Anyway, I'm all ears.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:30 AM on November 19, 2007

I'll add that because I am lazy and a creature of habit, I go to the same couple of places for drinks all the time, and am perhaps not the best resource for choosing a place. Sadie's Flying Elephant is great, but not BART-friendly; Zeitgeist is a nightmare on a Friday (if the weather's good); Toronado is both too small (maybe) and not very BART-friendly...etc.

My first thought was the Edinburgh Castle, which is yes, in the Tenderloin, but not a far walk from the Civic Center BART station.

Other suggestions are more than welcome.
posted by rtha at 8:46 AM on November 19, 2007

I'm free Friday night, the rest of the time kind of booked.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 8:47 AM on November 19, 2007

How about Frjtz, over on Valencia between 16th and 17th - just a block or so from 16th & Mission BART?
posted by jasper411 at 9:15 AM on November 19, 2007 [1 favorite]

I'm in for Frjtz, I was friends with the owner long ago and their fries are ever so delicious. I'm coming from Marin, anyone want to carpool? Or I can pick someone up on the way into the city.
posted by wzcx at 9:24 AM on November 19, 2007

Frjtz! Great idea - I've been to the Hayes Valley location, though not in a while.

Ok. Unless there are compelling objections:

Friday, December 14th, at....6:30pm? (does that give folks time to get home from work etc.?) At Frjtz.
posted by rtha at 9:26 AM on November 19, 2007

I'm definitely free. Frjtz it is! Friday, December 14th at ... 6:30 it is. I might even get there on time.
posted by parmanparman at 9:56 AM on November 19, 2007

C'mon Ambrosia Voyeur! French fries! And beer! And mefites fawning over our leader - how can you miss it?
posted by rtha at 10:04 AM on November 19, 2007

Oh, man! Now I gotta turn around and go back!
posted by Koko at 10:11 AM on November 19, 2007

Nostalgia! I think the old Frjtz in Hayes Valley was the site of the first ever SF meetup (vacapinta and kirkaracha were there IIRC).
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:15 AM on November 19, 2007

...the first ever SF meetup (vacapinta and kirkaracha were there IIRC).

Yes. fishfucker was there too.
posted by vacapinta at 10:20 AM on November 19, 2007 [1 favorite]

I'll put it on the calendar! But contraption works late and we live over an hour away, so just think of me as a maybe.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 10:29 AM on November 19, 2007

I'll make sure not to schedule anything over it.
posted by contraption at 10:32 AM on November 19, 2007

I'm in for Frjtz, but I might be a little late. My very first MeFi Meetup!

By the way, is this place smokey? And how long do these shindigs generally last?
posted by Quietgal at 10:44 AM on November 19, 2007

Restaurants and bars here are smoke-free. I love you, San Francisco!
posted by fandango_matt at 10:52 AM on November 19, 2007

I should be there (with ORthey!) before the Tigercity show at TBD. Goddamn TBD.
posted by wemayfreeze at 11:33 AM on November 19, 2007

Reminder re Frjtz -- it was long on Hayes Street, so when you tell people about the meet-up be sure to reiterate the (newish) address on Valencia.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 11:44 AM on November 19, 2007

I should be there (with wemayfreeze!) before the Tigercity show at TBD. Motherfucking TBD.
posted by ORthey at 11:47 AM on November 19, 2007

I'm in. My first mefi meetup. yay!
posted by special-k at 12:39 PM on November 19, 2007

I will do my best to be there (it may involve driving through rush hour traffic, but I'd do that for MeFi)!
posted by gingerbeer at 12:42 PM on November 19, 2007

Sounds good to me!
posted by zsazsa at 1:17 PM on November 19, 2007

Restaurants and bars here are smoke-free.

And yet somehow, a smoking-tolerant place was located for the recent SF meetup...
posted by Rash at 1:35 PM on November 19, 2007

fandango_matt: except for Amber, where the last meetup was. (which is why I didn't go)
posted by zsazsa at 1:35 PM on November 19, 2007

That was the first SF meetup? I was there! I told my girlfriend at the time that my username was MiguelCardoso, just to throw her for a loop (this was around the time that Migs was getting flamed a lot for posting something chatty to MeTa like every other day). She'd never read the site before and got the idea that I was some sort of pariah. I am so old school
posted by whir at 1:57 PM on November 19, 2007

Added to Upcoming!

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/322524/
posted by junesix at 2:48 PM on November 19, 2007

I'll be there! With bells. Or not.
posted by iamkimiam at 3:30 PM on November 19, 2007

God damn it do I want to go. But there are too many obstacles to cross (apparently, finals are "mandatory" to "passing," and also -- get a load of this -- you have to be physically present to attend a meetup).
posted by spiderskull at 6:19 PM on November 19, 2007

It is entirely possible that I will show up. You have been warned.
posted by trip and a half at 8:05 PM on November 19, 2007

I might just show up. It's been too long since I've seen Matt's meatbeard.



Further - please note for your SF considerations: I've been feeling kind of festive and social - thus I have been considering how to invite MeFites to my crazy-fun communal studio-space for, well, whatever.

It could be as simple as drinks and open DJing on the big sound system, or as complicated as an open jam session or some kind of interactive art project. Also, our dancefloor is killer, and we've got the speakers to shake it and shake it good.

The goods are odd but the odds are good, and it's an all-hours kind of place, which makes (private) afterparties or all-nighters just fine.

If there's anyone interested in something like this - whether for this meetup in particular, or in general - drop me a message or email. Also feel free to do so if you just generally dig electronic/experimental music/art, are curious about it, or are otherwise curious about this "art space" I speak of.
posted by loquacious at 10:04 PM on November 19, 2007

I wanna see the loquacio-location.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 10:35 PM on November 19, 2007

loquacious: It would make for a fun after Mefi meetup party
posted by special-k at 11:20 PM on November 19, 2007

Loquacious: I love electronic music and am totally curious about art spaces. As long as, of course, the place is ventilated and has a bathroom. I'm all for it. Afters at Loquacious' on Dec 14?
posted by parmanparman at 11:27 PM on November 19, 2007

O dam. Here I am honored to be listed in the same line as #1 for a meetup, and my flight won't be getting in until late that evening. I'll try to change it. ANY time later in the weekend would definitely work for me, but I'll see if I can get in earlier on Fri in the meantime...
posted by allkindsoftime at 11:52 PM on November 19, 2007

Worst case...hopefully I can still make the afters as loquacious' spacious art space.
posted by allkindsoftime at 11:54 PM on November 19, 2007

Cool. Ok, I'll doublecheck the calendar to see if there's any conflicts for Friday the 14th on into Saturday. (As far as I know there's nothing scheduled for that day.) I'll post an update when I get an all clear.

Also, if you're interested in the afterparty but don't think you can make it to the meetup itself (like allkindsoftime) then please be sure to email or message me so I can send you directions and/or info. Go on, don't be shy. I don't bite. Much. Hell, I'm getting so old I'm halfway to toothless, anyway.

Directions/info will be available only via email, phone or in person at the meet, and will not be posted within the cast of the google-light, first rule of Fight Club, etc.

This invite also extends beyond the meetup date itself. Contact for an appointment.
posted by loquacious at 5:17 AM on November 20, 2007

loquacious, that sounds very cool - thanks!

(What're you doing up so early?!)
posted by rtha at 5:29 AM on November 20, 2007

Early? Late, you mean? Argh, sun approaches. Must seek shelter.
posted by loquacious at 6:53 AM on November 20, 2007

I mailed the talkative one, and I can't wait for the meetup. It's big-time when we rate after-parties!
posted by wzcx at 12:22 PM on November 20, 2007

I'm hosting an after-after-party on the 6 AM BART back to the hinterlands followed by an after-after-after-LOLCAT-creation-party at my house (BYOC! i hz wun bt u cnt hv m). Erryone invitored!
posted by wemayfreeze at 3:24 PM on November 20, 2007

I'll be there! I've already broken my 5-year rule, so why not?
posted by jewishbuddha at 7:29 PM on November 20, 2007

Okay, fuck whistler, I'm going to this.
posted by aubilenon at 7:14 PM on November 21, 2007

loquacious, that sounds AWESOME!
And a dance floor? Maybe I'll get brave enough to go out there and shake it with my new moves (I've been taking dance lessons, woot!)
posted by iamkimiam at 8:57 PM on November 21, 2007

So it sounds like ten or so people will make it?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:26 PM on November 21, 2007

Damn. I would've gone to this, but I'm in NYC that week.
posted by waxpancake at 12:21 AM on November 22, 2007

I'm going to make it my business to be there, but only because I love Belgian ales and fries.

And MetaFilter.
posted by team lowkey at 1:27 AM on November 22, 2007

Hmm. I think I can make it, very early- I'm going to a Christmas party at 16th and Mission around 7ish. Will anybody actually be there at 6:30?

team lowkey, you might be interested in this new Belgian ale extravaganza opening in downtown Oaktown, the Trappist.
posted by oneirodynia at 8:20 PM on November 23, 2007

I'll be there. I was also at the long ago Fritz meetup.
posted by zia at 8:41 PM on November 23, 2007

I'm going to do my best to make the trek from the East Bay to make this one.
posted by Rhomboid at 11:14 PM on November 23, 2007

Ooh, I'll be there. The loquacious post-party sounds awesome too!
posted by pombe at 10:02 AM on November 26, 2007

oneirodynia: " team lowkey, you might be interested in this new Belgian ale extravaganza opening in downtown Oaktown, the Trappist. "

Wow! More than interested! Thanks for the heads up.
posted by team lowkey at 12:53 PM on November 26, 2007

I'm in.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 11:17 PM on November 29, 2007

Shit. My company "winter party" is that day. I'm torn.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:21 PM on November 30, 2007

FUCK IT COLONEL HAVE THE BUGLER SOUND THE waitaminute.

raar and I are in. I wanted to have mathowie sign my kid, but raar won't let me.

mutter mutter responsible parent MY ASS mutter
posted by scrump at 12:39 AM on December 2, 2007

For possible discussion on the 14th --

I'm contemplating a Puzzle Sunday in January, and maybe a Craft Sunday in February or March. Cold day, warm cafe, jigsaw puzzles, knitting, you get the idea.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 3:26 PM on December 3, 2007

If my boyfriend doesn't get back from the South Pole that night, I'll be there.

If he does get back that night, I have plans :)
posted by crinklebat at 10:17 PM on December 3, 2007

Wait. A meetup on a day when I don't have the kid and I'm in town?!

And with carby goodness?

Wild horses something something.
posted by Gucky at 8:50 AM on December 4, 2007

Ah, bring the South Pole boyfriend along for some beery goodness!

also, I'm a huge Antarctica nut, and would love to hear his stories!
posted by rtha at 9:54 AM on December 4, 2007

Upon reviewing this thread, I note to my surprise that I have so far failed to mention that I too will almost certainly be there.

What Gucky said about the horses.
posted by tangerine at 2:55 PM on December 4, 2007

I also will be there. Looks like its going to be a big meetup!
posted by vacapinta at 3:13 PM on December 4, 2007

Is anyone driving from the sac area? Wanna carpool?
posted by special-k at 8:39 PM on December 4, 2007

Turns out I'll be out of town. RATS! Eat some fries for me!
posted by jasper411 at 9:58 AM on December 5, 2007

I'm going to do my best to make it.
posted by padraigin at 7:47 AM on December 6, 2007

Oh, godsdammit. I'm going to be in SF from the 17th to the 21st-ish and wanted to call a meetup for sometime in there. My timing sucks. I missed the mega-Portland meetup by a week too.
posted by fuzzbean at 11:15 AM on December 7, 2007

i think i just might stop in.
posted by lapolla at 4:16 AM on December 8, 2007

Fuzzbean, just call another meetup for when you get in. Seriously, not everyone's going to be able to make this one, and some people will be up for two.
posted by tangerine at 9:31 PM on December 8, 2007

special-k, if you want to drive down to Marin, I'll drive us into the city?
posted by wzcx at 11:23 AM on December 10, 2007

Afterparty update: I'm currently thrashing my way through a cold, but I should be cleared up by Friday.

Email w/ details should be out tonight or tomorrow.
posted by loquacious at 2:25 PM on December 11, 2007

Are we going to DDoS the place with 20 people showing up? The previous location could barely fit that many people.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:45 PM on December 11, 2007

lol DDoS irl.

The one on Valencia is a lot bigger, but I'm not sure by how much. Flickr photos suggest we'll be fine as long as it is not the place to be that Friday (I mean it is because we'll be there, but besides I mean).
posted by wemayfreeze at 2:11 AM on December 12, 2007

Are we going to DDoS the place?

I was wondering the same thing after walking by the new Fitjz location a few nights back. It's kind of a small-to-medium sized place similar to a Just Desserts of the mid to late nineties. The Elbo Room is just a half-block away and might accommodate the spillover, maybe? The upstairs has a DJ and a cover, but the downstairs bar area tends to be pretty chill on weeknights, and up until peak hours on the weekends. It's not my favorite bar ever but it's still near BART and has booths and stuff. Besides that I don't know of many places in the 16th St + Mission area that are both accommodating towards bigish crowds and not already filled with hoi polloi, but I'd be interested to hear about them if they exist.
posted by whir at 2:19 AM on December 12, 2007

The Elbo room is often really loud and crowded. What about Casanova? Less popular ...
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 9:35 AM on December 12, 2007

I will be there +1, car function permitting.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:49 AM on December 12, 2007

Wait, but we're still starting at Frjtz, yeah? And moving to a larger place if need be? (Not that I'm going to be late or anything.)
posted by rtha at 10:33 AM on December 12, 2007

For "larger space" consider my space. I can handle 200+ folks if they're friendly.

Email and messages going out soon. Msg or email me for info.
posted by loquacious at 5:12 PM on December 12, 2007

Reminder to stragglers: I won't be posting afterparty directions in-thread. You'll have to get them from me or someone at the meetup.

I will be checking my mail and messages, though.
posted by loquacious at 5:48 PM on December 12, 2007

Oh, we're friendly. We're so friendly you might regret making the offer of space!

(mefimail me, please! thx)
posted by rtha at 5:55 PM on December 12, 2007

I mean, like, the day of, before the meetup and during the afterparty. And stuff.

*hums a few bars of "Where... is... my.... mind...?", shrugs, blows nose*
posted by loquacious at 5:55 PM on December 12, 2007

Well, rats. I won't make it after all. I have to meet the new boyfriend's father that night. I am sending gucky as my emissary, however!
posted by mykescipark at 12:33 AM on December 13, 2007

So, place is Fjrtz, time is 1830? Yes?
posted by scrump at 10:21 AM on December 13, 2007

No, Scrump. "J" before "R" EXCEPT after "F"
posted by sambosambo at 10:51 AM on December 13, 2007

1830, yep. Or 6:30 pm Pacific, as you wish.
posted by rtha at 11:55 AM on December 13, 2007

Well, now that I've found out where and when, it turns out that I won't be there. I'm starting to feel unwell, and immediately prior to Thanksgiving I managed to turn a sore throat into a roaring sinus infection, largely by, er, going out and socializing.

I'm about to head east for two weeks (on Wednesday), and I have a well-founded fear that going out tomorrow night, as much fun as it would be, will do exactly the same thing. Which I really, really don't want.

This sucks, but I don't want to get sick again, and even my deeply seated desire to assault hug mathowie is as nothing in the face of my fears.

GODDAMNIT
posted by scrump at 3:01 PM on December 13, 2007

AW. Who's gonna scare the shit out of me with the Giant Man Hug Of Handle Recognition Delivered With Astonishing Speed, if scrump's not there?
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 3:22 PM on December 13, 2007

Does anyone from the East Bay need a lift?
posted by pantsrobot at 5:50 PM on December 13, 2007

Ok, a bunch of directions have gone out. We're looking at a dozen and a half or so folks interested in the afterparty.
posted by loquacious at 6:26 PM on December 13, 2007

Ok, now that I've figured out my transportation dealie, I can safely say that I will be there (and interested in the afterparty if the invite's still open). I know, I'm always in at the last minute for these things. To make up for it though, can I offer anyone a ride? I'll be starting in San Jose, so if you're on the way (or even a slight deviation away) I'm happy to give you a lift if you can stand my absurdly mainstream taste in music. Feel free to MeMail me. Travel time is open, so juss lemme kno!
posted by sambosambo at 9:34 AM on December 14, 2007

I'd be interested perhaps, pantsrobot! I was planning on taking BART, but a ride is always better. I'll mefi mail ya.
posted by iamkimiam at 10:20 AM on December 14, 2007

bah! I'm meeting the bottom of a glass at The Trappist tonight.

AND HUMMER BUGS
posted by fishfucker at 1:03 PM on December 14, 2007

I hope to be there, but probably not the after-party. If anyone is keeping track.
posted by MikeKD at 2:09 PM on December 14, 2007

MetaFilter scrump: Giant Man Hug Of Handle Recognition Delivered With Astonishing Speed (GMHOHRDWAS)
posted by scrump at 2:40 PM on December 14, 2007

Wonder if anybody is going to receive their Secret Quonsar gift at the meetup. That'd be cool to see!
posted by iamkimiam at 2:43 PM on December 14, 2007

I'm rocking the third day with a fever. I was hoping to be better by now, but I'm certainly not going to infect everyone with disease just for the hope of french fries.

Have fun everyone. Without me. (sniff)

Worst. Cold. Sideeffect. Ever.
posted by Gucky at 3:16 PM on December 14, 2007

will try to make it, can't lay any guarantees down based on current honey do list completion status
posted by iamabot at 3:40 PM on December 14, 2007

Running late. Dunno how late I'll be to Fritz, but not too much hopefully.
posted by loquacious at 4:13 PM on December 14, 2007

Oh, why not. I'm there.
posted by roll truck roll at 4:54 PM on December 14, 2007

I AM SO EXCITED WHAT IF YOU THINK IM UGLY MAYBE IT WILL BE BETTER IF I DRINK A LOT BEFORE HOND.
posted by wemayfreeze at 4:58 PM on December 14, 2007

HAND.
posted by wemayfreeze at 4:58 PM on December 14, 2007

update to the update, wife is coming with me to meet you people from the internets, we will be there 7ish, if people have moved on at that point we'll stick around for 30 minutes or so to collect other late folks and then go hit up Chow for dinner or possibly head down to rogue ale house or 21st amendment, but i have a feeling you all will still be there
posted by iamabot at 5:13 PM on December 14, 2007

Oh, we'll still be there. Check your mefimail, iamabot.
posted by rtha at 5:21 PM on December 14, 2007

sorry folks. Feeling to ill to come play. I thought I'd get over it by now but apprently not. Catch you at the next one.
posted by special-k at 5:57 PM on December 14, 2007

to = too
posted by special-k at 5:57 PM on December 14, 2007

I'll leaving Castro neighborhood now -- see you all soon
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 7:06 PM on December 14, 2007

If there's a change of venue, can someone with a Blackberry/iPhone/etc post an update? I'm running late.
posted by junesix at 7:13 PM on December 14, 2007

We're still here. Number One left but the rest of us are carrying on.
posted by gingerbeer at 8:33 PM on December 14, 2007

Gah, I just got back to the shop after finishing some urgently required shit. The city is 10 powers of crazy out there right now.

I think I'm going to just stay here, because by the time I get on the bus back up to Mission it'll be time to turn around and head back over here in case anyone shows up.

So, I'm here. Feel free to come over. Msg for directions, will check again in a bit.

Users at the actual meetup please share directions with those who need them at the meetup.
posted by loquacious at 8:42 PM on December 14, 2007

ryanrs is here!
posted by loquacious at 10:28 PM on December 14, 2007

Many of us are on the way - gingerbeer and I will be there quite shortly!
posted by rtha at 10:59 PM on December 14, 2007

Holy cow. Hella folks.
posted by loquacious at 11:43 PM on December 14, 2007

Yay, that was fun. No DaShiv, but hey we got Adam Savage instead!

I got to spend the day with Adam (photos here) and he made me promise not to tell anyone ahead of time that he'd be at the meetup for fear that a bazillion more people would show up (there were like 30 of us at one time?).
posted by mathowie (staff) at 12:08 AM on December 15, 2007

iamabot's photos
posted by mathowie (staff) at 12:26 AM on December 15, 2007 [1 favorite]

I mean, hella folks here and now partying at my place. :P Sorry I missed everyone at the main meet.
posted by loquacious at 12:32 AM on December 15, 2007

Some of the photos from the meetup here, more to follow depending on my time available to process them this week.
posted by iamabot at 12:36 AM on December 15, 2007

Oh, y'all are a hell of a lot of fun. What a great turnout, and great folks, and the afterparty is still afterpartying! I'll post pictures in the next couple of days...
posted by rtha at 12:46 AM on December 15, 2007

Hi I'm loquacious and I'm a big fat doodie head.
posted by loquacious at 12:59 AM on December 15, 2007 [1 favorite]

Oh, post your photos in the upper right ^ (up where tags would be).

pb programmed a "meetup photos" feature that jessamyn always wanted and I decided to make it live tonight.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:03 AM on December 15, 2007

i am also loquacious and i am a schizoid.
posted by loquacious at 1:48 AM on December 15, 2007

I added a link to the photo set because I'm testing the widget. I'm aware I was not there, but it looks like it was fun!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:00 AM on December 15, 2007

photos added.

booze consumed.

bed beckons.

don't forget to check out my interview with our Dear Fearless Leader tomorrow.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 2:20 AM on December 15, 2007

WHERE THE FUCK AM I? WHO THE FUCK AM I?
posted by loquacious at 3:01 AM on December 15, 2007

So this is actually me, and someone apparently posted some anonymous AskMe about HIV or Hepetitis or some shit...

...SOooooo. Uh, sorry for leaving my account logged in around drunk dorks.
posted by loquacious at 4:24 AM on December 15, 2007

Actually the AskMe that was posted was not about HIV at all. The AnonyMe about AIDS is, to the best of my knowledge, legit, please don't goof on it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 4:30 AM on December 15, 2007

That really was a lot of fun! I was the guy with the old Polaroid if you couldn't comprehend my name. Pictures here! Note to self: get a new scanner and get more patient about Photoshopping out dust.
posted by zsazsa at 4:35 AM on December 15, 2007

Hooray!

Here are my photos! They're in infrared.

I am not that great with names so sorry if I forgot your name, got your name wrong, or just couldn't recognize you in infrared. mefimail me any corrections, and I'll update the captions (or I guess you can comment, but that requires registration, which is probably more work than it's worth)
posted by aubilenon at 4:39 AM on December 15, 2007 [1 favorite]

Oh, man. It was fun and funny! But I have a bad case of the epizootics that is visiting our fair City, plus I'm moving -- so I couldn't make it.

Fudge. Glad you all had a good time.
posted by trip and a half at 4:45 AM on December 15, 2007

Whoa aubilenon! Those photos are amazing. Any pics of the fire? :P
posted by pantsrobot at 5:14 AM on December 15, 2007

Ooops! Okay here is one!
posted by aubilenon at 5:43 AM on December 15, 2007

Well, that was fun.
posted by L. Fitzgerald Sjoberg at 6:51 AM on December 15, 2007

Best picture of me, ever! (I'm the blur behind Tangerine on the right)

It was fun. It was like attending The Last Supper or something. The afterparty probably woulda been fun too. 'Cept I handed my directions to Whir so someone could write them down. And then I turned around and they left with them.

I was there in spirit, though. :)
posted by miss lynnster at 7:22 AM on December 15, 2007

Err, sorry, jessamyn. In some sort of drunken confusion that anon thread was pointed out to me as being the one someone posted.

*glowers at AmbrosiaVoyeur*
posted by loquacious at 7:43 AM on December 15, 2007

I'm this guy, sort of. Guys, this was a super fun meetup. I had a great time, and I'm already trying to gauge how soon is too soon to plan another one of these. :-|
posted by roll truck roll at 7:58 AM on December 15, 2007

I didn't know we were supposed to sit according to our user number!

What a great meetup. So fun meeting... 1/5 of the entire beautiful gang at the Last Supper. Incidentally, anyone recovered from the evening and heading to Santacon today?

I really wonder what I was overhearing here!
posted by junesix at 8:04 AM on December 15, 2007

Heh. I can't even prove I was there. The one photo that would have included me (sitting across from Matt) I seem to have gotten up to go get beer or something...
posted by vacapinta at 8:21 AM on December 15, 2007

I have some photos, but forgot a card reader at home. I'll hit a camera store in a bit so I can download them.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 8:37 AM on December 15, 2007

*stumbles out of the afterparty and into the morning sun*
posted by ryanrs at 8:42 AM on December 15, 2007

Photo links - awesome!

The only slightly bummer thing about the meetup was that the table(s) was sooooo long and skinny. Without dedicated shuffling, it was hard to talk to more people than were sitting right next to you. But it was a lot of mefites to cram into one space, anyway, so I don't know what could've solved that.

The IR photos are very cool - they make us all look a little dead, but in a cool way! This one's me - it looks like I'm singing, or something.

Ok. Time to drink some coffee, and then I'll post some photos.
posted by rtha at 9:17 AM on December 15, 2007

Smurfy.
posted by sambosambo at 9:23 AM on December 15, 2007

That was so much fun. I'm having bacon chocolate with my coffee (thanks, iamkimiam).
posted by padraigin at 9:28 AM on December 15, 2007

rtha is right. There sure were a lot of people there I never met. I just stayed in the coveted asavage/mathowie area, figuring everyone would come to me.
posted by roll truck roll at 10:24 AM on December 15, 2007

asavage, in case any of you were wondering, is HI-larious. =/I (was that it? The "emoticon" that got invented at that bit of table? Now I can't remember.) If you are reading this, Mr. Savage, please mefimail me your friend Steve's website url, since I can't remember that either.

I didn't even get to meet mathowie! Although I shook his hand as he was leaving. Hi, again! Glad you could be there!

Also, I wish I'd spent more time talking with Lore. But I guess I could wander over to the Million monkeys thread and do so there.

roll truck roll, there's been talk about a meetup during the MacWorld thing in january. It's somewhere in the grey...

loquacious' space is awesome; it manages to be industrial and homey and slightly menacing (but ina good way!) all at the same time. Thanks to loquacious and the other folks there for letting us hang out.

Now I have to go to the St. Francis for breakfast. Photos, and the recipe for the triple ginger cookies, later. Really.
posted by rtha at 10:40 AM on December 15, 2007

Hey, that was fun. I'm sorry I missed the radio party, but I had to check out the loquacious space.

Look here for future make-stuff meet-ups. On my list: jigsaw puzzles, decoupage, radio soap operas.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 11:12 AM on December 15, 2007

Oooh, radio soap operas sounds awesome. Watch out, Keillor!

I'm pretty excited about MakeMe or DoMe or whatever we're going to refer to that as.
posted by padraigin at 11:34 AM on December 15, 2007

Ambrosia Voyeur | Ambrosia
asavage | Adam
aubilenon | Jesse's photos
ClaudiaCenter | Claudia
Contraption | Steve
duende | Sean
gingerbeer | Laura
iamabot | Patrick's Photos
iamkimiam | Kim
jewishbuddha | Dan
junesix | Patrick
L. fitzgerald Sjoberg | Lore
lapolla | Tammy
Little Bunny Hufu | Joesefe ??
loquacious | Jason
mathowie | Matt Haughey
MikeKD | Mike
MiltonRandKalman | Rick's Photos
Miss Lynnster | Lynn
ooga_booga | Azmeer
ORthey | Bret
padraigin | Patti
pantsrobot | Dev
Quietgal | Jessica
roll truck roll | Elliot
rtha | Kanani
sambosambo | Sam
tangerine | Andrea
team lowkey | David
vacapinta | Ricardo
rsinha | Rashmi
wemayfreeze | Drew
whir | Tim
xelf | Larry
zia | Betsy
zsazsa | Ian's photos
posted by iamkimiam at 12:17 PM on December 15, 2007 [4 favorites]

You are so cool, Kim.

Now would you mind tagging all those photos on Flickr? Also, check my facebook friends for any photos of me I might have missed. kthx.
posted by roll truck roll at 12:26 PM on December 15, 2007

Heh. I can't even prove I was there. The one photo that would have included me (sitting across from Matt) I seem to have gotten up to go get beer or something...

I took about 300 photos, the ones I've posted are the ones that didn't much in the way of post processing other than tweaking the exposure slightly. I will put the rest up later this weekend.

I think I got everyone...I hope I did, that table was too long and I stranded myself behind it for hours.
posted by iamabot at 12:29 PM on December 15, 2007

Sure Elliot, but let me favorite every comment you have ever made first. (good thing I already started months ago)
posted by iamkimiam at 12:30 PM on December 15, 2007

That was pretty darned fun and definitely the biggest meetup I've ever seen. I think there were about fifty people there at the peak. I'm sorry I missed out on Tone Loquacious' Bodacious Bordello but now we have a perfect location for the next SF Meetup, right?
posted by ooga_booga at 1:19 PM on December 15, 2007

Very cool, Kim. Thanks.

Could you also prepare a seating chart real quick? I'm kicking myself for not making more of an effort to get around to other parts of the table. I only talked to the people sitting around me, and of course didn't catch hardly anybody's name. I didn't even realize that you were iamkimiam when I was talking to you! We hanged out at the bottom of the viking thread, and I was looking forward to meeting you.

Great time, great folks. Can't wait for the next meet-up.
posted by team lowkey at 1:26 PM on December 15, 2007

Fun evening, it was grand to meet the celebrities (#1 and asavage) and more of the hoi polloi, hello to the folks I know from the skinless bodies meetup, sorry I missed the MeFites who showed up later and loq's afterparty, and a big thank-you to rtha for arranging the event!

My hard drive died last night after I got home, and I thought "Aw, crap! I was just in a room with about 10 people who could probably fix it for me with a chopstick and a paperclip, but by now they're probably all too drunk. Bad timing, Quietgal!"

posting from Hubby's computer, still crying over my beloved Pismo
posted by Quietgal at 1:35 PM on December 15, 2007

We metaphorically hanged out at the viking thread. I remember, good times.

I'll get right on that seating chart. Should I cross-reference seat placement with user numbers and profile lats/longs? You never know what kind of data we will need to have on file after the metapocalypse.
posted by iamkimiam at 1:41 PM on December 15, 2007

Oh. My. God. I feel like Wendy Darling back from Neverland. Only... more in need of a shower. These meetups just get better and better.

My only question is, besides the drunken group that was logged in and posting in CAPS as loquacious while he was on a beer run, who else was? That was some trippy shit. I'm looking at you, mods.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:17 PM on December 15, 2007

I'm so sad I didn't make it.
posted by Rhomboid at 3:03 PM on December 15, 2007

vacapinta was actually there on one of my photos.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:18 PM on December 15, 2007

Heh. I can't even prove I was there.

You're in mathowie's photo!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:19 PM on December 15, 2007

Adam Savage's friend Steve runs The Sneeze
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:20 PM on December 15, 2007

I'll forever mourn the fact that I didn't realize I was in the presence of the none pizza with left beef guy.
posted by zsazsa at 3:37 PM on December 15, 2007

Me too! iamkimiam and I were talking about his awesome blog later that night, with regard to how Steve, Don't Eat That is seminal web-based daredevil eating. He needs to sign up so I can put him in my muse file. We also nominated "none piza with left beef" meme of the year.

also, that "smurfy" picture of me is criminally unflattering. sambo, you rat.

Whew. Finally done updating contacts, afterglow a-go-go.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 3:44 PM on December 15, 2007

by popular demand, the recipe for my ginger cookies:

INGREDIENTS

* 3/4 cup butter (1 1/2 sticks)
* 1 cup packed brown sugar
* 1 egg
* 1/4 cup molasses
* 2 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
* 2 teaspoons ground ginger
* 2 teaspoons baking soda
* 1/2 teaspoon salt
* 1 1/2 tablespoons minced fresh ginger root
* 1/2 cup chopped crystallized ginger

DIRECTIONS

1. In a large bowl, cream together the butter and brown sugar until smooth. Beat in the egg and molasses. Combine the flour, ground ginger, baking soda, and salt; stir into the molasses mixture using a wooden spoon. Mix in the fresh and crystallized gingers. Cover, and refrigerate dough for at least 2 hours, or overnight.
2. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Shape dough into 1 inch balls, and place about 2 inches apart onto ungreased cookie sheet.
3. Bake for 10 minutes, or until lightly browned. Cool on wire racks.

NOTES
The recipe is from a Silver Palate cookbook. I made the ones last night with blackstrap molasses, and half regular brown sugar and half fancy molasses brown sugar. I also routinely put in more ginger, especially the fresh ginger, than the recipe calls for. It’s ok if you don’t have time to refrigerate the cookie dough – they still turn out fine.

Enjoy!
posted by gingerbeer at 5:30 PM on December 15, 2007 [1 favorite]

That was cool. I love this city. Pics here.

Thanks to everyone for coming out and getting most of my shopmates drunk besides.

I have a couple of awards to give out.

ryanrs gets the "First in, Last out" award for sticking it out till dawn when the market opened. He rewarded himself with gorditas.

"Most Reckless" goes to Ambrosia Voyeur for going about barefoot and arguing 4 rather dissatisfied hypernerds at once about the benefits of an American public education.

Honorary membership in "Team Bring It" is awarded to ryanrs and contraption for making the 7-minutes to closing time beer run with me on foot to the local winomart, keeping it going until everyone was well and truly done.

Everyone else give yourself one for suitably impressing my friends with your intelligent and interesting conversation and refined manners. We can probably do this again some time.


I made a few contacts with folks about stuff like the internet radio show we do or otherwise just coming over to work on stuff or revisit when it was less hectic - shoot me a message and remind me.


And thanks to lapolla, Miss Lynnster and tangerine for the little sneaker-net mail and note. That was awesome!
posted by loquacious at 5:43 PM on December 15, 2007

Oooh baby. I've got some sexy neck veins, yeah!
posted by miss lynnster at 5:44 PM on December 15, 2007

Oh, I shot Steve a free account so he should eventually show up here.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 5:46 PM on December 15, 2007

Oooh baby. I've got some sexy neck veins, yeah!

This must be how vampires and phlebotomists view people.
posted by loquacious at 5:54 PM on December 15, 2007

Here's your seating chart, team lowkey! Will my grade be posted this evening?
posted by iamkimiam at 6:11 PM on December 15, 2007

You know what the vampires say: Rather have a flub of effrontery than a front of phlebotomy.
*groan*

loq, we need to continue that education discussion sometime (like when I'm finally the empress chancellor of a UC). I wasn't saying the system isn't broken, but that it can be modified to match a much more diverse set of learning needs than it currently does, which requires a national level of financial investment, and for some people (example, myself) the current pedagogies are more effective than more anarchic models. Questions of evil acculturation are somewhat separate.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 6:17 PM on December 15, 2007

Okay. I've uploaded my tiny number of meetup photos to flickr. A few disclaimers: the camera battery died, which, given how bright the freaking flash was, you're all probably happy about; I've had this flickr account for a while, but have procrastinated doing anything with it until now, so if I've done something wrong, or confusing, or have tagged or named things inappropriately, or whatever, lemme know. I hope to spend a peaceful week between xmas and New Year's uploading things to my flickr account.

I still can't quite get over how much fun last night was. Thanks, everybody! Just remember, if I call you an idiot in a contentious thread sometime, I still like you, and would still go drinking/hang out with you! probably. heh.
posted by rtha at 6:53 PM on December 15, 2007

I got to spend the day with Adam (photos here) and he made me promise not to tell anyone ahead of time that he'd be at the meetup for fear that a bazillion more people would show up.

Please tell Adam to get over himself. But for all of the breathless Metatalk posts about him I would have no idea who he is.
posted by mlis at 9:35 PM on December 15, 2007

I'm sorry I missed the first whole shift of you, and I wish I'd made it to loq's afterparty. Furthermore, I'm also sorry I didn't get to talk more to the people at the left end of the table before we shifted and slid away, and to another bunch of people on the squishy window seat, and to various other people.

But I'm going to stop right now with the sorries. I'm assuming that we'll do it again soon, and we'll eventually get around to picking up a few of those fragmented conversations again.

It was nice to see a bunch of you from the skinned people meetup, and from various other ones ranging deeper into the past.

It was fun. I really like you guys.
posted by tangerine at 9:35 PM on December 15, 2007

ORthey | Rick

For the record, my name is not Rick, but rather Bret. But hey, who's keeping track?
posted by ORthey at 10:18 PM on December 15, 2007

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd trust every person in those photos to look after my cat while I'm out of town. And I honestly think the occupants of that table could solve all the world's problems, given enough time and alcohol. /Beer-fueled ass kissery
posted by Devils Slide at 10:32 PM on December 15, 2007

Please tell Adam to get over himself. But for all of the breathless Metatalk posts about him I would have no idea who he is.

I've been fostering a facade of maturity and refraining from commenting that I missed this, but, yeah, if I had known that I would have shown up for sure.

With a net gun. Err, I mean, just 'cause I'd like to show Mr. Savage the space that we had the afterparty in. It's a sort of friendly invitation if you look at it the right way. Not in any way a devious plan to gain access to tools and shiny things to decorate my volcano lair with.

that actually probably all holds true for tangerine, too! muhahaha!
posted by loquacious at 10:48 PM on December 15, 2007

Please tell Adam to get over himself. But for all of the breathless Metatalk posts about him I would have no idea who he is.

My impression of that comment was that asavage didn't want the MeFi meetup to become a Mythbusters one, rather than just being full of himself *shrug*. Any TV show has it's rabid following, and the meetup could have easily become a couple of dozen MeFites sitting at their table, and 300 Mythbusters fans clamoring to get autographs and pictures of the red-goateed one.


loquacious, any possibility of some tage/captions to go with your photos?
posted by Devils Slide at 10:57 PM on December 15, 2007

*its
posted by Devils Slide at 10:58 PM on December 15, 2007

Gotta say, I've met an awful lot of people in the Bay area who watch absolutely no television, though. More than anywhere I've ever been.
posted by miss lynnster at 11:10 PM on December 15, 2007

Yeah, I had never seen Mythbusters at all until I went to zsazsa's house to watch them not bust the plane/conveyer belt myth.
posted by aubilenon at 11:47 PM on December 15, 2007

mathowie says the meetup was "at least half women." True?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:56 AM on December 16, 2007

I don't know the exact percentage but we were definitely somewhat equally represented. None of the SF meetups I've been to have been a boyzone, at all.
posted by miss lynnster at 7:28 AM on December 16, 2007

ORthey | Rick

For the record, my name is not Rick, but rather Bret. But hey, who's keeping track?
posted by ORthey

What? Why the heck did you write down Rick on the paper we passed around? You even added an exclamation point at the end (which I debated including on the list)! haha
posted by iamkimiam at 7:42 AM on December 16, 2007

Gotta say, I've met an awful lot of people in the Bay area who watch absolutely no television, though. More than anywhere I've ever been.

That's okay. We watch enough teevee for all of them!

And yeah, I think it was about half 'n half girls-boys.
posted by rtha at 8:39 AM on December 16, 2007

iamkimiam, I updated your list (changed rick to bret, added rashmi's info). I bet the name card thing got messed up because there were so many names on it -- it was hard to line up the name on the left with the name on the right side, it was easy to accidentally attribute one side to the other, but off by a line. So I bet the "rick" corresponded to the username above/below ORthey's.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:35 AM on December 16, 2007

What? Why the heck did you write down Rick on the paper we passed around? You even added an exclamation point at the end (which I debated including on the list)! haha

Man... I wonder if they put something in my strawberry-mustard-curry-jalapeno-artichoke-bacon-chocolate-pepsiblue french fry dip. Or are you not supposed to combine?
posted by ORthey at 9:40 AM on December 16, 2007

Obligatory fuzzmail update.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 10:29 AM on December 16, 2007 [8 favorites]

iamkimiam: "Here's your seating chart, team lowkey! Will my grade be posted this evening?"

You certainly get an "A" for æffort, but it looks like you only answered maybe 50%, so... you know...

I'm sorry but that's a failing grade. I'm surprised, considering you did so well on the initial quiz (I've heard rumors that someone changed your answers after the fact. I hope this isn't true, as that is obviously grounds for expulsion). There's still some time left in the semester if you want to submit some extra credit work, and I hope you are better prepared for the final exam.

But, srsly... way cool. A+++ would mouseover again.
posted by team lowkey at 12:12 PM on December 16, 2007

I do not have a cold.

I am unsure how to feel about this.

After reading most of this thread, I'm hovering somewhere around "THIS WOULD HAVE SO BEEN WORTH A SINUS INFECTION".

I NEED A HUG
posted by scrump at 2:25 PM on December 16, 2007

*braces herself for the onslaught*
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:45 PM on December 16, 2007

scrump: I can confirm that the sinus infection was a small price to pay.
posted by contraption at 3:02 PM on December 16, 2007

Yeah! Slaught it on!
posted by aubilenon at 3:04 PM on December 16, 2007

What's up with glasses-wearing Mefites wearing little rectangular glasses? Is it a cabalSan Francisco thing?
posted by rtha at 7:39 PM on December 16, 2007

I dunno. I wear round, silver glasses.

But I don't have a blog.
posted by loquacious at 10:19 PM on December 16, 2007

I, too, do not have a blog. Or blag. I do, however, have a brand new bag.
posted by ooga_booga at 10:38 PM on December 16, 2007

The square black plastic frames were the cheapest ones at my optometrist. Didn't realize they were trendy until a friend asked how much I paid "for my Oliver Peoples." I then received a quick lecture on the brand hierarchy of black plastic frames.
posted by junesix at 11:36 PM on December 16, 2007

I don't have a blog either. Or glasses. But I like bags. What kind of new bag do you have, ooga_booga?
posted by rtha at 5:43 AM on December 17, 2007

rtha: Is it a cabalSan Francisco thing?

THERE IS NO SAN FRANCISCO

But seriously, belatedly I had a great time. Big thanks to rtha for putting it all together and loquacious for opening his batcave to the huddled masses. Y'all make for a good party.
posted by whir at 10:10 AM on December 17, 2007

Thanks Matt! I also figured out that MikeK is actually MikeKD.
Bret also now has half a break tag attached to his name. Ooopsies.
posted by iamkimiam at 11:16 AM on December 17, 2007

I never kiss and tell, rtha. Besides, she'd kill me if she found out.

[NOT BAGIST]

Seriously? It's a simple black day bag for work, nothing fancy.
posted by ooga_booga at 11:35 AM on December 17, 2007

I can tell I need to get a new pair of glasses before the next meet-up. Just in case bringing cookies isn't enough to make the cool kids like me.
posted by gingerbeer at 11:55 AM on December 17, 2007

But seriously, belatedly I had a great time. Big thanks to rtha for putting it all together and loquacious for opening his batcave to the huddled masses. Y'all make for a good party.

Yeah, I hear it was a good party. Gee, it's too bad someone borrowed my party directions to write them down for themselves and then skipped out with them, leaving me unable to find my way there. Eh, Whir?

But hey, I got a full night's sleep, so it was all good. Boring, but good.
posted by miss lynnster at 9:22 PM on December 17, 2007

Dear Hive Mind, what do I do if I'm transitioning from one party space to the next and some dude steals my map?

Find a grown-up you can trust. Say "Help! My directions are lost! I need to follow someone to the loquation." You've got to fight for your right to paaaaaaartay.

Oh Whir, you thief. What with loquacious the gypsy, I felt right at home.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:50 PM on December 17, 2007

D'oh! I'm so sorry Miss L! I will buy you beers at the next meetup in recompense.
posted by whir at 10:13 PM on December 17, 2007

We were going to the radio party first so that's why I didn't follow anyone. I thought ooga_booga had directions on his phone.
posted by miss lynnster at 9:27 AM on December 18, 2007

Oh, and no need to buy me beers. I'm just ribbin' ya.
posted by miss lynnster at 9:27 AM on December 18, 2007

D'oh! I'm so sorry Miss L! I will buy you beers at the next meetup in recompense.

Seriously, my bad - I thought it wasn't more complicated than just having the address.
posted by ooga_booga at 12:14 PM on December 18, 2007

If you add every person in this list as a contact, you get a festive string of stars. Actually, once you do that, the whole thread is full of stars! So many pretties!
Mwuhahahahahaha.
posted by iamkimiam at 12:48 PM on December 18, 2007

/Fun with scroll wheels, pt. 1
posted by iamkimiam at 12:49 PM on December 18, 2007

Seriously! I was totally kidding! I mean it! NOBODY owes me beer.
Man, if I'm that skillful at dispensing guilt trips maybe I am becoming my mother after all. AAAAHHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
posted by miss lynnster at 1:49 PM on December 18, 2007

Aforementioned stars are from Plutor's greasemonkey contacts script, in case anyone was confused. But I'm sure everybody here uses it, since you are the cool kids.
posted by team lowkey at 1:52 PM on December 18, 2007

HAHA. I had no idea. I guess I've been cool for so long I didn't even know it. That's the best *kind* of cool. I never cease to amaze myself.
posted by iamkimiam at 2:19 PM on December 18, 2007

Ok, now you owe me a beer.
posted by whir at 2:39 PM on December 18, 2007

You can just buy me the beer for denying me miss lynnster's lovely presence.
posted by loquacious at 3:16 PM on December 19, 2007

Shit! I also didn't realize Lore was responsible for the limerick thread. That was probably my favorite MeFi moment ever! I was sitting across from none pizza with left beef and famous poems as limericks! I really need to study up before coming to these meet-ups.
posted by team lowkey at 10:27 PM on December 20, 2007

yep, it never hurts to stalk up, dog-with-anxiety-problem–guy!
posted by iamkimiam at 2:06 PM on December 21, 2007

ok, team lowkey, now I had to go look up the limerick thread. Now I'm wondering how the hell I missed it the first time, because you're right. It's a great Metafilter moment. I just wasn't paying attention.

Thanks for mentioning it. Thanks too to Lore, obviously, and to everyone else in the thread.
posted by tangerine at 9:37 PM on December 21, 2007

See, I would think a linguist surfer would be more interested in the new word for cool than anxious dogs. How's that for stalking?

I just noticed the limerick thread again because Devils Rancher brought it up for some reason. I was unconscionably proud of my contributions, and loved reading through it again. I think there was an associated MeTa and even a podcast mention about how they intended to sidebar it.
posted by team lowkey at 1:42 AM on December 22, 2007

No need to read that thread, the in-crowd already knows that I *am* the new word for cool.
posted by iamkimiam at 8:42 PM on January 2, 2008