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Outright censorship?
I was super-censored by Jessamyn. You won't even find this on Deleted threads with GreaseMonkey.
http://www.metafilter.com/75263/Documented-History-of-the-Bubble
All the supporting docs are in the second link and Jessamyn super-deletes it because it's "kind of sketch"?
Smacks of censorship. I didn't think she rolled that way.
Raf
I was super-censored by Jessamyn. You won't even find this on Deleted threads with GreaseMonkey.
http://www.metafilter.com/75263/Documented-History-of-the-Bubble
All the supporting docs are in the second link and Jessamyn super-deletes it because it's "kind of sketch"?
Smacks of censorship. I didn't think she rolled that way.
Raf
Oh, fuck off.
posted by nasreddin at 6:58 AM on September 30, 2008 [9 favorites]
posted by nasreddin at 6:58 AM on September 30, 2008 [9 favorites]
You can't find it because it's newer than any of the current undeleted posts, which do their magic by starting at the highest visible index on the page. This is a known issue with those scripts. There is no such thing as a "super-deletion". For fuck's sake.
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:58 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:58 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
Silly cortex, whoever wrote that greasemonkey script is part of the conspiracy!
posted by smackfu at 7:00 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by smackfu at 7:00 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Oh, she rolls that way. By day she’s a mild-mannered librarian and Admin for Metafilter. By night she becomes, Super Censorer!
Or maybe the Greasemonkey script works by finding gaps in the numerical sequence of threads and, since thread # 75264 hasn’t been posted yet, it hasn’t yet found that gap.
posted by bondcliff at 7:00 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Or maybe the Greasemonkey script works by finding gaps in the numerical sequence of threads and, since thread # 75264 hasn’t been posted yet, it hasn’t yet found that gap.
posted by bondcliff at 7:00 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
She superdeleted it so hard that even Greasemonkey has been deleted from the internet! And this comment is starting to fade in the prev....
posted by DU at 7:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by DU at 7:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
There is no such thing as super-deletion as much as we might wish otherwise. MeFi has general standards for front page posts and yours linked to something deleted once already. It was finally pulled because the media disappeared but we'd been having a behind the scenes debate about the video anyhow because it's borderline conspiracy theory racist if I recall correctly. The original discussion wasn't that great and we saw no reason to think any more would go better.
If you want to post borderline edgy stuff to MetaFilter -- which is your right, really -- it might be a good idea if you also learned a little bit about how the site works and what you can maybe expect from the site. This link might have been decent in one of the bailout threads already in progress but was not great as a FPP.
That is how I roll.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [30 favorites]
If you want to post borderline edgy stuff to MetaFilter -- which is your right, really -- it might be a good idea if you also learned a little bit about how the site works and what you can maybe expect from the site. This link might have been decent in one of the bailout threads already in progress but was not great as a FPP.
That is how I roll.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [30 favorites]
It was deleted because we all know that financial crises are caused by the Jews, not the blacks.
posted by ibmcginty at 7:04 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by ibmcginty at 7:04 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
Someone deleted my pants! Cortex, I'm looking at you.
posted by Pollomacho at 7:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by Pollomacho at 7:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
There is no such thing as super-deletion as much as we might wish otherwise. MeFi has general standards for front page posts and yours linked to something deleted once already.
If you check, matthowie deleted because the video was down. Now you deleted it because the video is up, or because links to the source info were also included?
Can you expand on your "kind of sketch" reasoning?
posted by Rafaelloello at 7:07 AM on September 30, 2008
If you check, matthowie deleted because the video was down. Now you deleted it because the video is up, or because links to the source info were also included?
Can you expand on your "kind of sketch" reasoning?
posted by Rafaelloello at 7:07 AM on September 30, 2008
Can you expand on your "kind of sketch" reasoning?
I can. It's because you are obviously not very bright.
posted by Astro Zombie at 7:18 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
I can. It's because you are obviously not very bright.
posted by Astro Zombie at 7:18 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
Man, I need to post more. I never get the chance to feel defensive when my baby gets deleted because it sucks.
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE INFRINGE UPON MY META-RIGHTS?
posted by graventy at 7:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE INFRINGE UPON MY META-RIGHTS?
posted by graventy at 7:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
...so Jessamyn walks up to this guy in the street and says, "Hey, there, how 'bout some super censorship!" He thinks about it for a minute and says, "Eh... I'll have the soup."
posted by Wolfdog at 7:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [11 favorites]
posted by Wolfdog at 7:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [11 favorites]
If you re-work the video personally: Make it shorter, not biased in the extreme, include the missing factors that contributed to the problem, drop all the "Obama got his wish" bullshit, remove the godawful soundtrack and then host it on Projects, somebody (not you) might include it in a bigger, well-balanced FPP about the issue a couple of months from now.
posted by kisch mokusch at 7:23 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by kisch mokusch at 7:23 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Man, you are so wrong, raf. Grease Monkey would totally kick Super Deleter's ass one-on-one.
posted by and hosted from Uranus at 7:26 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by and hosted from Uranus at 7:26 AM on September 30, 2008
It was definitely a superdelete. She even reset my VCR.
posted by inigo2 at 7:26 AM on September 30, 2008 [51 favorites]
posted by inigo2 at 7:26 AM on September 30, 2008 [51 favorites]
When SUPERCENSORSHIP arrives you won't even know about it because Jessamyn will be in your brain deleting the thought before it happens.
posted by The Straightener at 7:29 AM on September 30, 2008 [8 favorites]
posted by The Straightener at 7:29 AM on September 30, 2008 [8 favorites]
If you check, matthowie deleted because the video was down. Now you deleted it because the video is up, or because links to the source info were also included?
The post so nice, they deleted it twice.
posted by smackfu at 7:32 AM on September 30, 2008
The post so nice, they deleted it twice.
posted by smackfu at 7:32 AM on September 30, 2008
Everybody needs a cab driver story.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Can you expand on your "kind of sketch" reasoning?
It's a weird slanted ten minute attempt at a viral political video to encourage people to vote for McCain by presenting a bizarre retelling of events that support that conclusion. Along the way it manages to push the "illegal immigrants took our jobs" button and stops just short of "jews did it" allegations.
The story it tells is not credible [I'm not disputing "facts" only the way theyre asembled to present this one narrative which I think is actually sort of crazy] and we're already discussing the mortgage crisis and the bailout in better ways elsewhere on the site. We remove it the way we'd remove a 911 conspiracy thread.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
It's a weird slanted ten minute attempt at a viral political video to encourage people to vote for McCain by presenting a bizarre retelling of events that support that conclusion. Along the way it manages to push the "illegal immigrants took our jobs" button and stops just short of "jews did it" allegations.
The story it tells is not credible [I'm not disputing "facts" only the way theyre asembled to present this one narrative which I think is actually sort of crazy] and we're already discussing the mortgage crisis and the bailout in better ways elsewhere on the site. We remove it the way we'd remove a 911 conspiracy thread.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
All I remember is a man in a plain black suit and sunglasses asking me to look at his camera and the flash going off. Next thing I knew, it was about a minute ago.
posted by briank at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by briank at 7:34 AM on September 30, 2008
It was rather a super deletion.
posted by mandal at 7:35 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by mandal at 7:35 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
Super Censer!
(As Billy Connoly said, "I don't want to worry anyone, but that man's handbag's on fire.")
posted by Jofus at 7:46 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
(As Billy Connoly said, "I don't want to worry anyone, but that man's handbag's on fire.")
posted by Jofus at 7:46 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
We remove it the way we'd remove a 911 conspiracy thread.
Which is to say, "at the bidding of our Illuminati puppetmasters, long may they rule from darkness, ia! Ia! Google Ron Paul!"
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:49 AM on September 30, 2008 [33 favorites]
Which is to say, "at the bidding of our Illuminati puppetmasters, long may they rule from darkness, ia! Ia! Google Ron Paul!"
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:49 AM on September 30, 2008 [33 favorites]
Oh crap. Then Cortex has to go blow the party for everyone.
(Takes off mask, reveals hideous fish-man countenance, begins gibbering, returns to ocean.)
posted by Astro Zombie at 7:52 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
(Takes off mask, reveals hideous fish-man countenance, begins gibbering, returns to ocean.)
posted by Astro Zombie at 7:52 AM on September 30, 2008 [6 favorites]
It's a weird slanted ten minute attempt at a viral political video to encourage people to vote for McCain
And how quickly would a similar post be deleted if the dog-crap was on the other shoe? Never, perhaps?
posted by Rafaelloello at 7:53 AM on September 30, 2008
And how quickly would a similar post be deleted if the dog-crap was on the other shoe? Never, perhaps?
posted by Rafaelloello at 7:53 AM on September 30, 2008
When our right to post any old weak shite we fancy to a web forum of our choosing is curtailed even in the slightest we have truly arrived at Orwell's dystopian vision. But when you tell people this, they can only point and laugh.
posted by Abiezer at 7:57 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Abiezer at 7:57 AM on September 30, 2008
Jofus, I am sorry, but my censer is more super than yours.
I mean, come on. They had to hang it from a rope attached to the ceiling because it's so big. Incensational!
posted by koeselitz at 8:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
I mean, come on. They had to hang it from a rope attached to the ceiling because it's so big. Incensational!
posted by koeselitz at 8:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
I'm not disputing "facts" only the way theyre asembled to present this one narrative which I think is actually sort of crazy
Facts - Good
Conclusions - Bad?
How would you assemble the facts?
BTW, why do you feel compelled to put quotes around the word facts? Tell the "truth".
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:02 AM on September 30, 2008
Facts - Good
Conclusions - Bad?
How would you assemble the facts?
BTW, why do you feel compelled to put quotes around the word facts? Tell the "truth".
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:02 AM on September 30, 2008
"no"
posted by smackfu at 8:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by smackfu at 8:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
I'd like somebody to super-censor all this talk about rolling. Rickroll, how I roll, Rollo candies, Rollie Fingers, I can't stand any of it.
posted by box at 8:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by box at 8:03 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Also, if you rearrange the letters in 'Rafaelloello' it spells 'Roll a loaf eel.'
posted by box at 8:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by box at 8:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
And how quickly would a similar post be deleted if the dog-crap was on the other shoe? Never, perhaps?
We'd delete it the same way. Really I understand that you're arguing that we removed this post, or that *I* removed this post because it takes an unfavorable look at who you think I'm likely to vote for. I'm not sure how I can convince you otherwise, in fact I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
There is a certain extent to which the flag queue does represent the general gestalt politics of the site as a whole, but we also make our own judgments as moderators. While you're welcome to do your bit to balance out the political leanings of this site, I suggest you do it with content that is a little less crazy-seeming and make your callouts a little better informed and/or a little less aggressive.
We'd like to have a plurality of opinions, political and otherwise, on MeFi and I think all of us believe one thing is true about that video: both parties have made mistakes. Posts that just slag McCain in the same hamfisted OMG way don't last any longer than ones that slam Obama and generally speaking political posts should be something more than a "vote my guy/gal!" shill piece which the end of this video clearly shows it to be.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
We'd delete it the same way. Really I understand that you're arguing that we removed this post, or that *I* removed this post because it takes an unfavorable look at who you think I'm likely to vote for. I'm not sure how I can convince you otherwise, in fact I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
There is a certain extent to which the flag queue does represent the general gestalt politics of the site as a whole, but we also make our own judgments as moderators. While you're welcome to do your bit to balance out the political leanings of this site, I suggest you do it with content that is a little less crazy-seeming and make your callouts a little better informed and/or a little less aggressive.
We'd like to have a plurality of opinions, political and otherwise, on MeFi and I think all of us believe one thing is true about that video: both parties have made mistakes. Posts that just slag McCain in the same hamfisted OMG way don't last any longer than ones that slam Obama and generally speaking political posts should be something more than a "vote my guy/gal!" shill piece which the end of this video clearly shows it to be.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
ANCHOR THE SENSOR SHIP
FREE RAFAELLOELLO
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:08 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
FREE RAFAELLOELLO
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:08 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
I'm voting the way I always do. A straight Irish ticket.
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:10 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:10 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
Quick, can someone please post a craptastic pro-Obama video so jessamyn can delete it and prove her bona fides?
posted by lukemeister at 8:11 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by lukemeister at 8:11 AM on September 30, 2008
Her super censor already knocked all craptastic videos, pro- or anti-Obama, completely off the face of the universe.
It seems like you wouldn't want to mess with the Super Censor. I applaud Roffledoffle's courage.
posted by DU at 8:14 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
It seems like you wouldn't want to mess with the Super Censor. I applaud Roffledoffle's courage.
posted by DU at 8:14 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
Keep grinding that axe.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 8:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 8:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
I'm voting the way I always do. A straight Irish ticket.
O'Bama's straight and Irish, isn't he?
posted by lukemeister at 8:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
O'Bama's straight and Irish, isn't he?
posted by lukemeister at 8:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
smackfu: "Silly cortex, whoever wrote that greasemonkey script is part of the conspiracy!"
I work my ass off to become part of the Jewish pro-Jihad anti-anti-disestablishment elitist Illuminati, and I'm just a "whoever"?! That's it, I quit. You can take back your commemorative mug and embossed membership cards!
And your logo is ugly!
posted by Plutor at 8:17 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
I work my ass off to become part of the Jewish pro-Jihad anti-anti-disestablishment elitist Illuminati, and I'm just a "whoever"?! That's it, I quit. You can take back your commemorative mug and embossed membership cards!
And your logo is ugly!
posted by Plutor at 8:17 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
So it's gonna be the double veep switcharoo. McCain dumps Palin and Joe Biden steps aside for Hillary. I know it's true because I saw it on TV the internet.
posted by fixedgear at 8:20 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by fixedgear at 8:20 AM on September 30, 2008
Rafaelloello: Facts - Good... Conclusions - Bad? ... How would you assemble the facts? BTW, why do you feel compelled to put quotes around the word facts? Tell the "truth".
"Facts" deserves quotations when true details about a situation are adduced to imply a false idea of the whole. It is a fact that Hollywood in the '50's and '60's included many Jewish people who were producers and directors. If someone came to me and claimed that "the Jews ran Hollywood," I might tell them that, despite the "facts," I have a dispute with their claim. I'd put "facts" in quotations there because he and I might have a disagreement about where those facts start and his lip-flapping foolishness began; I'd want to make sure that I'd indicated to him that I didn't take at face value certain silly notions that he seemed to have accepted from the situation. "Facts" have interpretations. Sometimes people interpret them in a silly way. That's what the video did.
If you believe that jessamyn is a partisan hack, you probably haven't been around here very long. (Do you have any idea how many 'PALIN IZ DUMM' threads that the mods have had to delete over the last few weeks? And they do, believe me.) That, or you're one of those obnoxious partisan people (they exist on the left and the right) who believes that anyone who disagrees with them must be working for the enemy.
In which case there's really no hope for you, my friend.
posted by koeselitz at 8:20 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
"Facts" deserves quotations when true details about a situation are adduced to imply a false idea of the whole. It is a fact that Hollywood in the '50's and '60's included many Jewish people who were producers and directors. If someone came to me and claimed that "the Jews ran Hollywood," I might tell them that, despite the "facts," I have a dispute with their claim. I'd put "facts" in quotations there because he and I might have a disagreement about where those facts start and his lip-flapping foolishness began; I'd want to make sure that I'd indicated to him that I didn't take at face value certain silly notions that he seemed to have accepted from the situation. "Facts" have interpretations. Sometimes people interpret them in a silly way. That's what the video did.
If you believe that jessamyn is a partisan hack, you probably haven't been around here very long. (Do you have any idea how many 'PALIN IZ DUMM' threads that the mods have had to delete over the last few weeks? And they do, believe me.) That, or you're one of those obnoxious partisan people (they exist on the left and the right) who believes that anyone who disagrees with them must be working for the enemy.
In which case there's really no hope for you, my friend.
posted by koeselitz at 8:20 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
box: Also, if you rearrange the letters in 'Rafaelloello' it spells 'Roll a loaf eel.'
Real loo, fella.
posted by koeselitz at 8:24 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Real loo, fella.
posted by koeselitz at 8:24 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Tell the "truth".
I like the way this guy thinks. Can we offer him a trial membership in the Illuminati? If it doesn't work out we'll just wipe his memory and dump him Kazakhstan like we did the others.
posted by languagehat at 8:25 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
I like the way this guy thinks. Can we offer him a trial membership in the Illuminati? If it doesn't work out we'll just wipe his memory and dump him Kazakhstan like we did the others.
posted by languagehat at 8:25 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
'Superdeletion' has excellent anagrams.
posted by lukemeister at 8:25 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by lukemeister at 8:25 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
Er, dump him in Kazakhstan. I get all excited when I think about Illuminati recruiting.
posted by languagehat at 8:27 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by languagehat at 8:27 AM on September 30, 2008
And how quickly would a similar post be deleted if the dog-crap was on the other shoe?
I'm confused. What's the dog crap now? The post? McCain? The way this is headed, I think someone needs to threaten to cut their hand off before anyone will take this issue seriously.
posted by quin at 8:28 AM on September 30, 2008
I'm confused. What's the dog crap now? The post? McCain? The way this is headed, I think someone needs to threaten to cut their hand off before anyone will take this issue seriously.
posted by quin at 8:28 AM on September 30, 2008
Do you ever start to write something on metafilter, and then for whatever reason, just stop and erase it? Maybe close the page, go do something else? Sure, the world won't get to benefit from your brilliant comment, super funny joke, or most awesome post. But it will still roll just the same.
posted by iamkimiam at 8:31 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by iamkimiam at 8:31 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
What's the dog crap now?
"This is a huge cow patty with a piece of marshmallow stuck in the middle," Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., said of the package. "I'm not going to eat that cow patty."
posted by lukemeister at 8:31 AM on September 30, 2008
"This is a huge cow patty with a piece of marshmallow stuck in the middle," Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., said of the package. "I'm not going to eat that cow patty."
posted by lukemeister at 8:31 AM on September 30, 2008
She turned me into a newt.
posted by scottreynen at 8:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by scottreynen at 8:34 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
I work my ass off to become part of the Jewish pro-Jihad anti-anti-disestablishment elitist Illuminati, and I'm just a "whoever"?!
Dude, you're doing great. Just another USD17,000 and three more confirmed kills and you'll get upgraded to "whomsoever" status.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:35 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Dude, you're doing great. Just another USD17,000 and three more confirmed kills and you'll get upgraded to "whomsoever" status.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:35 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think we've definitively proved that the Super Censoring wasn't jessamyn's fault. It was Clinton's. Here, watch this video.
posted by DU at 8:37 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by DU at 8:37 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
No. You're not only not going to do that viral astroturfing shit here, I forbid you from doing it anywhere. This is now the seventh time (I've been keeping track) that I've heard the republican spin that the housing crisis is caused by Hispanics/black/minorities/poor. A memo must have gone out the night Paulson proposed the plan because jowly white douchebags from all over are all simultaneously on board with the same talking points.
Let me be perfectly clear. It is true that there exists a non-zero probability that risky loans to lower-income people, who by virtue of demographics happen to be disproportionately members of an ethnic minority, may be responsible for a single digit integer percentage of the housing bubble. This is true in the way that a butterfly flapping it's wings in China may have contributed to hurricane Katrina. But the inference that this video intends the viewer to draw is that minorities are a major contributing cause for the whole crisis, which is not true. Of course, if you tell them this, they give a clever smile and say "But I didn't say that!" Oh, you're too shrewd for me! I guess I'll just have to counter your cleaver argument by opening your throat with a K-bar.
The video and these talking points are tailored to capitalize on an pre-existing prejudice, the same prejudice that makes people imagine black people when they think of people on welfare, even though more white people are on welfare. In their twisted worldview, the thesis that minorites defaulted on their debts makes too much sense to fact check.
So I'm going to engage in a little prejudice of my own. But mine is supported by data.
The majority of the cause of the bubble lies with incompetent morons who missed out on the dotcom riches, have no marketable skills to speak of, and yet want to get theirs. They watch "Flip This House" and took interest-only mortgages on "investment" properties so they could finance their McMansion with the high end GE Monogram Appliances on a combined income of $78,000.
These people are fat, indolent, greedy, petty, parochial suburbanites who watch too much television and never read a book, who are now voting for Sarah Palin and Macho Man Randy McCain because he's a war hero/christian/hockey mom/not-a-black-guy.
"I'm a Maverick." Fuckin-a right, man. You dumped your bedridden first wife for fabulously rich heiress to finance becoming the senator of a state almost half of which is owned by the federal government after which you led an unremarkable career. That sounds exactly like Daniel Webster or Henry Clay. Yeah man, you're a Maverick. Next time you see Goose and Iceman in the locker room, given them a nod and tell them, "Nice pecs."
I'm supposed to believe the banking system of the United States was brought to its knees by low-income minorities who had the temerity to pursue the dream of owning their home. All those hot shot MBAs and Ivy League lawyers were no match for those wily housekeepers and gardners.
If you could put a number on it, just exactly how stupid do you think we are? Two banks failed in Belgium this week, shithead, and it's only Tuesday. Did the dirty Mexicans do that too?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the house flipping, the thousands of real estate investment books and seminars that were sold to suburban meat bags, or the greed and consumption culture that dominated America in the 2000s. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the toxic psychology that has these same people bitching about gas prices and how much they spent to fill up their SUV. If you drove an SUV when gas was $4.00 and you complained even once about gas prices, you should be stripped down, chopped up, and sold for parts.
The next time I see some beady-eyed pig of a pundit bring up lending to minorities as the underlying cause of this, I'm severing ears and making a fucking necklace. This is a transparent attempt to back into the campaign fears of A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE by framing the issue in the context of the current crisis.
You know this video is viral spin bullshit. I hope you got paid to post it here, because otherwise you either think we are stupid or the people who made the video think you're stupid and will believe it and pass it around. Guess which one I think it is.
posted by Pastabagel at 8:39 AM on September 30, 2008 [305 favorites]
Let me be perfectly clear. It is true that there exists a non-zero probability that risky loans to lower-income people, who by virtue of demographics happen to be disproportionately members of an ethnic minority, may be responsible for a single digit integer percentage of the housing bubble. This is true in the way that a butterfly flapping it's wings in China may have contributed to hurricane Katrina. But the inference that this video intends the viewer to draw is that minorities are a major contributing cause for the whole crisis, which is not true. Of course, if you tell them this, they give a clever smile and say "But I didn't say that!" Oh, you're too shrewd for me! I guess I'll just have to counter your cleaver argument by opening your throat with a K-bar.
The video and these talking points are tailored to capitalize on an pre-existing prejudice, the same prejudice that makes people imagine black people when they think of people on welfare, even though more white people are on welfare. In their twisted worldview, the thesis that minorites defaulted on their debts makes too much sense to fact check.
So I'm going to engage in a little prejudice of my own. But mine is supported by data.
The majority of the cause of the bubble lies with incompetent morons who missed out on the dotcom riches, have no marketable skills to speak of, and yet want to get theirs. They watch "Flip This House" and took interest-only mortgages on "investment" properties so they could finance their McMansion with the high end GE Monogram Appliances on a combined income of $78,000.
These people are fat, indolent, greedy, petty, parochial suburbanites who watch too much television and never read a book, who are now voting for Sarah Palin and Macho Man Randy McCain because he's a war hero/christian/hockey mom/not-a-black-guy.
"I'm a Maverick." Fuckin-a right, man. You dumped your bedridden first wife for fabulously rich heiress to finance becoming the senator of a state almost half of which is owned by the federal government after which you led an unremarkable career. That sounds exactly like Daniel Webster or Henry Clay. Yeah man, you're a Maverick. Next time you see Goose and Iceman in the locker room, given them a nod and tell them, "Nice pecs."
I'm supposed to believe the banking system of the United States was brought to its knees by low-income minorities who had the temerity to pursue the dream of owning their home. All those hot shot MBAs and Ivy League lawyers were no match for those wily housekeepers and gardners.
If you could put a number on it, just exactly how stupid do you think we are? Two banks failed in Belgium this week, shithead, and it's only Tuesday. Did the dirty Mexicans do that too?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the house flipping, the thousands of real estate investment books and seminars that were sold to suburban meat bags, or the greed and consumption culture that dominated America in the 2000s. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the toxic psychology that has these same people bitching about gas prices and how much they spent to fill up their SUV. If you drove an SUV when gas was $4.00 and you complained even once about gas prices, you should be stripped down, chopped up, and sold for parts.
The next time I see some beady-eyed pig of a pundit bring up lending to minorities as the underlying cause of this, I'm severing ears and making a fucking necklace. This is a transparent attempt to back into the campaign fears of A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE by framing the issue in the context of the current crisis.
You know this video is viral spin bullshit. I hope you got paid to post it here, because otherwise you either think we are stupid or the people who made the video think you're stupid and will believe it and pass it around. Guess which one I think it is.
posted by Pastabagel at 8:39 AM on September 30, 2008 [305 favorites]
She turned me into a newt.
Hey, at least you get to scream and crawl through tunnels. And that "They're DEAD alright!? Can I go now?" line is killer.
posted by cashman at 8:40 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Hey, at least you get to scream and crawl through tunnels. And that "They're DEAD alright!? Can I go now?" line is killer.
posted by cashman at 8:40 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Is this a bad time to request once again that we have bozo-filtering added to Metafilter?
posted by adamrice at 8:44 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by adamrice at 8:44 AM on September 30, 2008
If you could put a number on it, just exactly how stupid do you think we are?
4
In fairness, that's my first guess on all math problems.
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:46 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
4
In fairness, that's my first guess on all math problems.
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:46 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Obama lied, markets died.
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:47 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Rafaelloello at 8:47 AM on September 30, 2008
I'm supposed to believe the banking system of the United States was brought to its knees by low-income minorities who had the temerity to pursue the dream of owning their home. All those hot shot MBAs and Ivy League lawyers were no match for those wily housekeepers and gardners.
Low-Income Borrowers Blamed in Bailout Crisis
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 8:51 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
Low-Income Borrowers Blamed in Bailout Crisis
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 8:51 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
I'd like to take this opportunity to confess that, as a lesbian and a member of at least two ethnic minorities (there might be some Jewish way back there in the Old Country, but none of the relatives on that side of the family will talk about it), I am solely responsible for the current financial crisis.
Sorry about that. No hard feelings, right?
(Also, I hope that the next time jessamyn comes to San Francisco, she censors me but good. I'll buy you a beer if you do!)
posted by rtha at 8:53 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Sorry about that. No hard feelings, right?
(Also, I hope that the next time jessamyn comes to San Francisco, she censors me but good. I'll buy you a beer if you do!)
posted by rtha at 8:53 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Obama lied, markets died.
Slogans chanted, failure granted.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 8:55 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
Slogans chanted, failure granted.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 8:55 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
David Icke's Reptiliods super-deleted my cat!
Well, I'm assuming that eighteen wheeler was driven by Reptiliods.
You won't even find this on Deleted threads with GreaseMonkey.
Filthy histrionic-prone liar, or just filthy histrionic-prone ignoramus?
Upon preview, it appears to be the latter, but the day is still young.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:55 AM on September 30, 2008
Well, I'm assuming that eighteen wheeler was driven by Reptiliods.
You won't even find this on Deleted threads with GreaseMonkey.
Filthy histrionic-prone liar, or just filthy histrionic-prone ignoramus?
Upon preview, it appears to be the latter, but the day is still young.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:55 AM on September 30, 2008
How A Clinton-Era Rule Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable
"One of the most frequently asked questions about the subprime market meltdown and housing crisis is: How did the government get so deeply involved in the housing market?
The answer is: President Clinton wanted it that way."
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:00 AM on September 30, 2008
"One of the most frequently asked questions about the subprime market meltdown and housing crisis is: How did the government get so deeply involved in the housing market?
The answer is: President Clinton wanted it that way."
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:00 AM on September 30, 2008
I rolled gingerly out of bed and donned my welding goggles. After my eyes adjusted, I fitted my paraffin earplugs, tongue protector, and clothespin for my nose. It's a little hard to do all this with 7 pairs of gloves and 2 sets of mittens, but it's the price I have to pay for being born a Supersenser.
posted by Bernt Pancreas at 9:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by Bernt Pancreas at 9:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [3 favorites]
Obama lied, markets died.
posted by RafaelloelloPoster at 11:47 AM on September 30
... really? I can't tell if you think this because he's a black liberal and you're a wingnut conservative racist, or if it's just because he's black and you're a racist.
posted by shmegegge at 9:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by RafaelloelloPoster at 11:47 AM on September 30
... really? I can't tell if you think this because he's a black liberal and you're a wingnut conservative racist, or if it's just because he's black and you're a racist.
posted by shmegegge at 9:02 AM on September 30, 2008 [5 favorites]
I'm-a tellin' you, if it rhymes it must be true. That's how I know Rafaelloello likes lime Jello.
posted by Bernt Pancreas at 9:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by Bernt Pancreas at 9:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
How A Clinton-Era Rule Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable
Great. An editorial. Real strong "facts" in editorials.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
Great. An editorial. Real strong "facts" in editorials.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:05 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
Obama lied, markets died.
... really? I can't tell if you think this because he's a black liberal and you're a wingnut conservative racist, or if it's just because he's black and you're a racist.
It's kind of like, uh, a joke. I heard some people on TV once chanting this Bush lied, something something once and I thought this would be kind of like...
oh never mind.
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:06 AM on September 30, 2008
... really? I can't tell if you think this because he's a black liberal and you're a wingnut conservative racist, or if it's just because he's black and you're a racist.
It's kind of like, uh, a joke. I heard some people on TV once chanting this Bush lied, something something once and I thought this would be kind of like...
oh never mind.
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:06 AM on September 30, 2008
Yes. I've seen it blamed on Carter too.
You know what else I've seen blamed on Clinton and Carter?
Everything.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [8 favorites]
You know what else I've seen blamed on Clinton and Carter?
Everything.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:06 AM on September 30, 2008 [8 favorites]
Google hasn't gotten the memo yet to delete the original post. The Illuminati aren't what they used to be.
posted by lukemeister at 9:07 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by lukemeister at 9:07 AM on September 30, 2008
(I'd like to fave Pastabagel's comment, but you know I'm not really on board with the use of "suburban" as a dirty word.)
posted by DU at 9:08 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by DU at 9:08 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
Also Rafaelloello, MetaTalk is primarily for discussing policies around how the site is run, not the subjects of posts themselves, so could you drop the housing bubble talk and apologize/acknowledge your aggro "help, I'm being super repressed!" claims since they've been clearly shown not to originate from a single mod and are not politically motivated? Takes a big man to say sorry but I'd rather see that than 10,000 links to editorials that support a crazy conspiracy video.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:11 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:11 AM on September 30, 2008 [4 favorites]
BTW, I don't even mind that Obama is a liberal racist. I just don't want to pay for his social programs. For my money, Marcy Kaptur is the real deal.
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:13 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:13 AM on September 30, 2008
Is there a polite way to say get the fuck over it?
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:14 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:14 AM on September 30, 2008
I fucking hate "oh noes teh censoroship" people that don't understand the meaning of the word "censorship."
When Sarah Palin bans a book from your local library, that's censorship. When jessamyn deletes a post, that's "preventing display of data housed on a private server." Also called, "clean-up on aisle seven."
In other words, if I go to your house and call you a jackass, and you ask me to leave, is that censorship? No. Because it's your f'n house.
So ... S ... T ... F ... U.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [20 favorites]
When Sarah Palin bans a book from your local library, that's censorship. When jessamyn deletes a post, that's "preventing display of data housed on a private server." Also called, "clean-up on aisle seven."
In other words, if I go to your house and call you a jackass, and you ask me to leave, is that censorship? No. Because it's your f'n house.
So ... S ... T ... F ... U.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:15 AM on September 30, 2008 [20 favorites]
That's it, I'm voting for Pastabagel.
posted by briank at 9:16 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by briank at 9:16 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]
Also Rafaelloello, MetaTalk is primarily for discussing policies around how the site is run, not the subjects of posts themselves, so could you drop the housing bubble talk and apologize/acknowledge your aggro "help, I'm being super repressed!" claims since they've been clearly shown not to originate from a single mod and are not politically motivated? Takes a big man to say sorry but I'd rather see that than 10,000 links to editorials that support a crazy conspiracy video.
I was wrong about being super-censored. I was only regular-censored. My bad.
Now if you would just apologize for calling it a crazy conspiracy video, we can probably close this out.
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:17 AM on September 30, 2008
I was wrong about being super-censored. I was only regular-censored. My bad.
Now if you would just apologize for calling it a crazy conspiracy video, we can probably close this out.
posted by Rafaelloello at 9:17 AM on September 30, 2008
Can somebody pull the soap box from under this guy's feet and lock this shit up?
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 9:17 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 9:17 AM on September 30, 2008
Although I'm not a big Python fan, call-outs like these are always an excuse to enjoy Dennis the Constitutional Peasant.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:19 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:19 AM on September 30, 2008
Superdelete, superdelete. Tricker treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat.
I will forgive Bush all his sins if he grants me unlimited one day immunity to take a vinegar soaked bullwhip to all the fucking greedhead cowardly solipsistic assholes who don't want to "pay for social programs", read a fucking history book zombie Ayn Rand and then get back to us. Jesus fuck. I need a double valium and stoli, stat!
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
I will forgive Bush all his sins if he grants me unlimited one day immunity to take a vinegar soaked bullwhip to all the fucking greedhead cowardly solipsistic assholes who don't want to "pay for social programs", read a fucking history book zombie Ayn Rand and then get back to us. Jesus fuck. I need a double valium and stoli, stat!
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:19 AM on September 30, 2008 [7 favorites]
Agreed. You can't teach an old dog... no, that's not it... you can lead a horse... hmm... and teacher, there are things that I don't want to learn.
posted by box at 9:21 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by box at 9:21 AM on September 30, 2008
Now if you would just apologize for calling it a crazy conspiracy video, we can probably close this out.
What would you prefer it be called? Astro-turfing bullshit that lays the blame for this massive economic fuck up right at the feet of the people who are going to be the most hurt by it, brought to you by a man who apparently can win unless he lies, lies, lies, and then tosses out casual racism and classism, all the while grinning and pretending he is a maverick who somewhere in his eighty-seven houses has a closet just full of concern for the poor?
Because I'll call it that if you prefer.
It is censorship? Fuck yes. You got censored, dude. It's their fucking site. You don't like it, go to some other goddamn site where pissing on the poor with a poor assemblage of anecdotes is treated as gospel. There are a lot of sites like that. I imagine that's where you found the video in the first place.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:21 AM on September 30, 2008 [13 favorites]
What would you prefer it be called? Astro-turfing bullshit that lays the blame for this massive economic fuck up right at the feet of the people who are going to be the most hurt by it, brought to you by a man who apparently can win unless he lies, lies, lies, and then tosses out casual racism and classism, all the while grinning and pretending he is a maverick who somewhere in his eighty-seven houses has a closet just full of concern for the poor?
Because I'll call it that if you prefer.
It is censorship? Fuck yes. You got censored, dude. It's their fucking site. You don't like it, go to some other goddamn site where pissing on the poor with a poor assemblage of anecdotes is treated as gospel. There are a lot of sites like that. I imagine that's where you found the video in the first place.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:21 AM on September 30, 2008 [13 favorites]
Pastabagel/DaShiv 08!
posted by vito90 at 9:22 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by vito90 at 9:22 AM on September 30, 2008 [1 favorite]
can't win, rather.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:22 AM on September 30, 2008
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:22 AM on September 30, 2008
Now if you would just apologize for calling it a crazy conspiracy video, we can probably close this out.
You're right, my bad, I shouldn't have called it a "crazy conspiracy". I meant to say it's batshit insane to blame minorities for the financial crisis.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:23 AM on September 30, 2008 [125 favorites]
You're right, my bad, I shouldn't have called it a "crazy conspiracy". I meant to say it's batshit insane to blame minorities for the financial crisis.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:23 AM on September 30, 2008 [125 favorites]
This thread is closed to new comments.
And as for how Jessamyn rolls, we don't generally indulge is specualtion of geometrical alignment.
posted by Jofus at 6:58 AM on September 30, 2008 [2 favorites]